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Obama is a phoney and McCain isn't? Oh, please...

re: Graham's convention speedh outright lie in earlier post reprinted below this post - I saw the proof too, but thought it was US News or Newsweek. I saw the same picture in the helicopter, the gist that they got on famously, and also that Petraeus hinted himself that he might be a Democrat. ---------------- "Everyone in the media seems to be missing the obvious factual observation that undercuts this entire Graham line suggesting that Obama went to Iraq and didn't meet with Petraeus. There is a simple word for that -- it's a LIE. Obama met with Petraeus twice in July while in Iraq. Unless the photo in the July 22nd issue of the NY Times is Photoshopped, this sure likes like Obama and Petraeus sitting side-by-side in a helicopter over Iraq:

The media needs to stop these GOP'ers from rewriting facts to try to fool an all too gullible American public."

Meanwhile, The CHANGEling went on Fox, with O'Reilly, to say the surge succeeded "beyond wildest dreams", etc.

With Obama, it all depends on who he (thinks) he is talking TO ...

McBush has no campaign but Vietnam. The RHC convention was a joke. One big exploitation party. He’s exploiting Vietnam, palin, & 9/11 for his own gain. For one with ALL that experience, he had no answer to Obama's address. If he thinks Americans are stupid enough to elect him because of Vietnam & palin the pawn, he's more senile than he looks. He cannot win with policy and he knows it. That’s why all along he’s been trying to rip Obama. He’s got all you repubs caught up in the surge while he’s stealing you blind on the back side to the tune of $10B a month. And that will not change. Now all of a sudden he is a change agent, give me a break. When more of palin's dirt rises to the top, they'll continue to scream that Obama, the media, blogs, and everyone else is guilty of sexism. I guess buttons that say "read my lipstick" and phrases by repubs like "the hottest governor in the coldest state" are not sexist. You can't have it both ways. I wonder how the evangelicles feel when they see palin’s unwed, pregnant daughter paraded onstage with her redneck, don’t wanna be married boyfriend? Her little shine will fade over the next 60 days. We’ll see how you like her then.

McBush needs to come into the 21st century. Vietnam is over. And another thing, the repubs are discrediting what Obama did for poor people (white, black, elderly, etc) as non relevant. Those are American citizens who have a voice and a vote. Same old republican values. That poor people in this country have no value. McBush is trying to beguile Americans into thinking he has a heart for the people. He seems real. Real fake! And there is no way in hell palin is ready to assume the Presidency. This woman believes that birth control and sex education should be outlawed. One question, “How’s that working for ya sarah”? Stop fooling yourselves people.

If the surge is working so well, if we have succeeded in Iraq, why can't we leave? Nobody is saying that the surge has been without effect. It has helped dampened the violence. As soon as we leave, whatever that has been working will cease to work. Is that really worth going to war in the first place and staying there to make sure the surge keep working?

To set the record straight, what Obama said was "I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated, by the way, including President Bush and the other supporters."

Notice how he inserted equivalency by saying that Bush was "wrong" too?

At no time did he say that he was wrong to vote against the surge. At no time. Because he can't bring himself to admit that he was wrong.

If it weren't for the surge, we wouldn't be talking about withdrawing from Iraq today. McCain was right; Obama was wrong.

Obama can't admit he was wrong on the surge. He just absolutely cannot admit that he made a mistake in judgment. Just like Bush.

He's also proven to be passive-aggressive (3 a.m. text message; Mayor of Wa-Silly) which could end up backfiring on the USA big-time when he pulls his high school stunts on one of our enemies.

These are not traits we want in a leader, folks! Especially not one during these critical times.

Obama, has stated that main goals of the surge, were to quell violence, and make significant inroads so that the Iraqi's can start taking over and managing their own affairs.
So the "surge" isn't complete. The purpose was to make sure things don't revert to a civil war as soon as we leave.
And that, is the point, it's great to say surge works blah blah POW. But the facts are that it hasn't fully accomplished what it was intended to.
It is better than Bush standing on a aircraft carrier with that giant banner,
but it isn't truthful to say that it is a complete success.

I'm always amazed at how we discuss our presence in Iraq as though we are renting the property to the Iraqis.

I think an eviction notice is coming and someone might get a surprise.

Earlier in the summer the GAO, Government Accountability Office, issued a report that the surge had not reached most of it's more long term benchmarks. It's also worth mentioning hat the Bush administration has been working with Iraq leaders for a systematic withdrawal by 2010. Which of course is almost identical ( in duration) to Obama's original recommendations.

Everyone in the media seems to be missing the obvious factual observation that undercuts this entire Graham line suggesting that Obama went to Iraq and didn't meet with Petraeus. There is a simple word for that -- it's a LIE. Obama met with Petraeus twice in July while in Iraq. Unless the photo in the July 22nd issue of the NY Times is Photoshopped, this sure likes like Obama and Petraeus sitting side-by-side in a helicopter over Iraq:

The media needs to stop these GOP'ers from rewriting facts to try to fool an all too gullible American public.

You mean to tell me the president can lie to your face about Iraq, invade it, kills thousands of innocent people plus our troops, break it, then proclaim "Mission Accomplished" and then have NO plan for 6 years to provide for the aftermath but NOW THEY WANT CREDIT FOR THE ONLY ONE THING THAT WORKED? The broke the dam in the first place, tried to put it back together but with it full of holes, and then they stick their finger in one of the leaks and THEY WANT CREDIT FOR THAT? It's like the way it feels for one of my kids who scribbled on a paper and and I tell them how pretty the picture looks!!

Give me an freaking break!

Well, Lindsey,

Bill O'Reilly got Obama to admit what you and others could not...

Yep, Obama admitted he was wrong about the surge.

In fact, Obama said the surge succeeded beyond his "wildest dreams."

No, we won't go there...

Anybody But Obama...

The introduction tonight to John McCain was PREPOSTEROUS.

You guys were complaing about ffing columns? The GOP was DEIFYING McCain tonight in those videos and introductions. On and on and on and on it went.

It was bizarre.

Obama has always supported the troops, no matter what danger the boneheaded decisions taken by the Repubs expose them to.

His legislative records prove this:

Also, look at the official Library of Congress website

thomas.loc.gov

search for barack obama and you will get the same list as above.

Spread the word about this to fight all GOP smears to the contrary.

Lindsey can talk all he wants, but he knows that he is lying.

Congress told Palin not to build the first 'bridge to nowhere'

Palin is a liar.

Worse is the Palinban wing of the republican party - these people want to tell real Americans what they can and cant do with their bodies, in their homes and with their friends. Enough!

I dont' care that Cindy McCain was a white trash chick in the Flavor of Love - she's not running for President, so leave her alone!

we've lost over 4000 lives in Iraq. A war that had nothing to do with terrorisma nd everything to do with Halliburton profits. It was not so much the surge as the payoffs that have worked. We have paid the people that were shooting at us last year to not shoot at us this year.

Declaring "victory" after the absolute LACK of security left the country and especially Baghdad "ethnically cleansed" i.e. left civillians slaughtered to the point that they have literal concrete walls with barbed wire and millita (or formerly known as ethnic death squads) providing security is not a sign of success but abject failure. And if that is what you push as success, perhaps the American media will get Americans to buy into it, but the international media, as well as the people who have the misfortune of living in that hellhole, would care to disagree with such a "rose colored" view of their everyday life. This base disconnect disqaulifies anyone who bothers to voice it, out of complete ignorance and arrogance of claiming that one's life is better off under armed guard, barbed wire, concrete barriers, sporadic bombing, and armed foreigners who can kill you at the drop of a hat and not even be charged for it; Coupled with no clean water, backed up raw sewage, no garbage collection, or half a days worth of electricity in 100 degree heat. If that is what passes for a fair quality of life for the Iraqi people, no wonder they and their politicans are literally DYING for us to leave. The surge didn't work and the war was our excuse to stay their permanetly to bottleneck the oil supply and threaten Iraq's neighbors into restricting and driving up the price of energy. What was the price of oil then vs. now. THAT is what our men are dying for, while we sit at home and sing "God Bless America", and threaten anyone who disagrees with this reality with putting them into camps without charges like what happened at the conventions. Even if they are soldiers who have fought in Iraq and have come home. America is on the decline and we are cheering those that are leading us downhill. At least we can say we did it to ourselves for once.

Cindy and John have SO much money that they won't even let both of their tax returns be made public. When they gather the family together they have to decide which of the SEVEN (or is it eight or nine) homes they're going to be at. It's easier to be generous when you're VERY rich than if you are living from paycheck to paycheck with no health insurance and lots of debt.

Sarah Palin is a divider, not a uniter. Her entire speech was about divisions. Red vs. Blue...Small town vs. City...Red Neck vs. Intellectualism...Haves vs. Have-nots.

Does the RNC really think starting a culture war is a good thing?

Cindy McCain is a very caring and loving person. She has done so much good working with her charities and even bringing her adopted daughter back to USA for health reasons and a good life. Thank you Cindy.

I see a different side of Mrs. McCain tonight that I was not aware of. I think she is an understated force to be reconnend with.

Graham, McCain's 'Little Jerk', is still mad that Obama called him out on the hissy fit he threw on the immigration bill.

Lindsey Graham is so creepy. He looks like he should be addressing us in his Grand Wizard/Dragon outfit. I am repulsed and ashamed to have him in my race.

Cindy McCain: "I'm blessed, give back give back give back give back give back"
Michelle Obama: "America's racist and mean. I've never been proud of my country. Take take take take take take take."

What a remarkable contrast.

Cyndi McCain may not be a great speaker but you have to admit that she has many accomplishments in helping the poor. I'm quite impressed with her life story.

Why does Cindy McCain look like she just knocked-off a pharmacy? -- oh, never mind...

McCain represents the past; Palin with her views represents the past. America needs to break with the past and move into the 21st century. Look at the convention last night with lack of diversity and empty seats compare with 75000 packed stadium at the Democratic convention. The voice of the people is the voice of God. It is time for true change when people of all races who are Americans work for the good of the country and not just one narrow-minded redneck group. Levi, the fiance of Bristol well said on My Space;"I am a red-neck" and therefore Palin must also be. Her speech was condescending if you look at her facial expressions and she is elitist.

Obama, the Great is never wrong even when he is wrong. He seldom tells the whole truth. Sad but true. It is always about him too. He must have the attention like a rock star. We need a statesman at the top.
Bea-Obama refused to say the surged worked today on TV. He has never admitted the surge really worked. OK

My God, Cindy McCain is HORRIBLE. All she's talking about is military, military, military... a female Hitler!

How did Lindsey and Lieberman keep each other awake on their travels.

rick - if she's pistol packing, maybe we can cut down on the secret service and save some money. at the end of the day - somebody will have a gun!

Look, I don't really care if Graham is gay or not, thats his business, but this machismo routine is all too effiminate.

Steven, Obama's just come off Bill O'Reilly's show and said he admits the surge HAS worked. But he also said:

a) The Iraqis haven't taken responsibility for themselves;
b) We still need a political solution.

This is diplomacy. Something I no longer trust John McCain to deliver anymore.

It is past time to end the occupation of Iraq. The McCain definition of 'winning' means staying there forevern - the only way to win an occupation is to leave.

If Obama had been president in 2002, there would have been no war with Iraq, no need for a "surge", 4,100 more Americans still alive, 30,000 more Americans still living with their hands and feet intact, and a Trillion dollars less debt. Not to mention, America would be a much safer place than it is today.

Do we really want a VP that is "pistol-packing"?

If Obama had been President when 9/11 happened we would have gone to Afganistan, killed Bin Laden and would have never had a war in Iraq. We probably would have lost a few soldiers but not over 4000. The fact that the Republicans can say the things they're saying with a straight face is unconscienable. They created a war for no good reason and Americans are paying the price for it in lives and money.

Cindy McCain is awful.

Vanessa, if Obama couldn't convince the people not to vote for the war why do you think he can accomplish anything else? Isn't this really a failed attempt by Obama to be a leader?

I still haven't heard from the Republicans what victory in Iraq means.

How many more lives would have been saved if we never went to war, Steven

So Jake, that's it? Did the surge work in your opinion? Anyone? Why do they feel it worked?

Obama has never said the surge didn't work. Like a lot of Americans I have family and neighbors in Afghanistan and Iraq. We want them home. Whether the surge has worked or not, we all know from past wars you must have diplomacy too. This could go on forever. We need to start taking care of our people here at home. Or the terrorists will win by destroying our country from within. Americans are getting poorer by the minute. But seeing as the average wage earner attending the Republican convention is $500,000. Why would they care?

"There will be more wars" John McCain
... not if you are not elected.

"Obama is such a phoney. His campaign is based on the surge not working. How many more lives would have been lost because of Obama bad judgement"

NONE. If we were to go on Obama's judgement there would be no need for a surge. 4000+ American soldiers would not be dead. The war in Afganistan could've been won. Iran would be alone in obtaining unclear power and would eventually caved due to pressure. Our economy would not be in such a sham.

Last time I remembered the last Democratic president kept our nation safe and our ecomnomy on point with the same policies as Obama.

Arlington National Cemetary did indeed show up behind Lindsay Graham at the point he uttered the line "WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO VICTORY."

A whole fiekld of plain white slab tombstones.

Not the visual he wanted. I hope.

Lindsay Graham, And Victory Defined In Tombstones.

That was a quick cut. We know they saw it in the hall, because this was just on TV.

Did you just see it? At 9:03PM (EST) or so, Lindsay Graham is addressing the Republican Convention.

Camera shot. Upper torso at podium.

His line...

"We are on the road to victory"

Camera shot. Wide to include rear display screen and stage.

Image on screen?

Headstones at a cemetary. Arlington?

This is the speech McCain was overheard to say was the worst he'd ever seen.

Please, somebody have video.

ZZzzzzzZZZ.

Thats my impression of Lindsey Graham.

Obama is such a phoney. His campaign is based on the surge not working. How many more lives would have been lost because of Obama bad judgement.