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Live-Bloggin' the Debate

September 26, 2008 9:19 PM

10:39 -  My interest in emails from the campaigns telling me why their candidate won - zero. But I do want to hear from you. Especially if you're an undecided voter. Please weigh in and tell me what you thought. And thanks for stopping by!

10:38 - George Stephanopoulos says "these guys came to play on each other's turf" -- McCain on the economy, Obama on foreign policy.

10:37  - It's over.

10:35 - McCain says he doesn't "need any on-the-job training." Obama may have conveyed a lot of things tonight, but I don't think he seemed unprepared. I wonder if that resonates.

10:34 - I really don't care for the sudden acceptability of the word "lie" by campaigns. Because campaigns lie. Spokespeople lie. In my invented world, I don't think they're allowed to use the word.

10:31 - A colleague emails that he thinks both candidates have mistakenly called Iran's Revolutionary Guard the "Republican Guard," which was Saddam's...

10:26 -The inevitable McCain campaign Youtube video of Obama saying "John is right" about something or other. This reminds me of something I blogged about earlier, about Republicans telling me they worry McCain's camp is more worried about little cutesy videos that win news cycles instead of larger strategies. Could this not reinforce the notion of Obama as an agreeable guy? Dunno yet...but I wonder what that Big GOPer I talked to thinks...

10:25 - McCain supported Obama-Lugar back when it was Nunn-Lugar.

10:21 - At the ABC News Fact Check desk, the actual note by Eisenhower pre-Normandy invasion, which McCain referred to. Eisenhower did not resign, he said responsibility for failure was his and his alone. Read the actual note HERE. (Hat tip, Lisa Chinn.) Not a big deal, just interesting for you history buffs.

10:19 - McCain says Obama showed "naivete" in the Russian-Georgian conflict in his first comment where he seemed to equate both sides.

10:18 - I'm trying to game out what a draw would mean.

10:16 - Again, bickering. Not good for either of them, I don't think. Are there any undecided voters out there reading this blog, or is it just people who've already picked a side?

10:15 - McCain: "My friend, Dr. Kissinger, who has been my friend for 35 years..."

10:12 - On the whole McCain/Spain thing, McCain says he's "not going to set the White House visitors' schedule before I'm president, I don't even have a seal yet." I say zing, my wife says no one out there knows about the whole seal thing.

10:09 - Okay, this is pretty good. The McCain camp sends out quotes of Democrats criticizing Obama for his 2007 comments about Pakistan. Here's one from Obama's running mate after being asked if Obama's comments "show inexperience?" Sen. Joe Biden: "My answer was yes to the question. …  The last thing you want to do is telegraph to the folks in Pakistan that we're about to violate quote 'their sovereignty,' putting Musharraf in a position that makes it virtually impossible for him to do anything other than what he's done."

10:08 - AH MA DIN E JAD

10:02 - Now McCain's hitting Obama for not visiting Afghanistan. Again, a pre-Palin argument. (And Obama visited Afghanistan in July.)

10:01 -Obama: "You don't 'muddle through' Afghanistan."

10:00 - McCain tells stories about meeting parents of fallen soldiers. Obama: "I've got a bracelet, too...No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain."

9:57 - McCain tells the Reagan/Marines/Lebanon story. "Tragically, I was right," he says.

9:56 - Obama says McCain can't talk about being prudent when discussing foreign policy, having discussed North Korea's extinction, "singing songs about bombing Iran."

9:53 - "You don't do that, you don't say that out loud," McCain says about Obama's threat to sent US troops into Pakistan to strike at high-level al Qaeda operatives if given high level intelligence, with or without Pakistani government permission. McCain quotes George Schulz saying don't point a gun unless you're prepared to pull the trigger. Credible riff here, I think.

9:49 - Anyone out there get the feeling that this has deteroriated into bickering?

9:46- McCain hits Obama on saying he'd never vote against funding for troops, then he votes for it.

9:45 - McCain - "I'm afraid Senator Obama doesn't understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy."

9:45 - oof. Obama hits McCain on the Sunni/Shiite thing.

9:43 - McCain says Obama didn't go to Iraq for over 900 days, etc. Wasn't that the pre-Palin McCain argument?

9:42 - An Obama supporter emails, about McCain: "Don’t you think his language is really old?  Mentions Eisenhower, makes 2 old jokes, says ‘festooned’ – it’s like he doesn’t get his vulnerability."

9:40 - McCain's push for an increase in troops long before the surge was introduced is something he can legitimately brag about. Doesn't get much credit for it.

9:39 - Lesson of Iraq, McCain says, is don't have a failed strategy.

9:38 - First allusion to Gov. Palin. Also by McCain, calling her a maverick.

9:33 - First mention of Hillary Clinton. By McCain, natch, talking about working with her on energy legislation. My wife giggles.

9:31 - Obama so eager to mention Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., and their "Google for government" he accidentally calls McCain "Tom".

9:28 - Second Obama email of the night, and the last one from either guy that I'm going to post, unless something is really good. "DEBATE REALITY CHECK: EARMARK REFORM...Obama Sponsored Bill to Provide Transparency and Integrity in the Earmark Process..." etc

9:28 - McCain: "Obama has most liberal voting record in the Senate. Hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left." As they say, heh.

9:26 - Obama's getting in to why McCain opposes the new energy bill. I have to wonder how much anyone who doesn't cover politics for a living gets or cares about any of this.

9:25 - Obama email, the first, arrives - "DEBATE REALITY CHECK ON MCCAIN’S RECORD ON DEREGULATION...THE FACTS: MCCAIN HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF MORE DEREGULATION FOR 26 YEARS AND HIS VP NOMINEE COULDN’T NAME A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF REFORM HE HAD FOUGHT FOR..." etc

9:24 - "You gotta look at our records," McCain says on fighting waste, etc. Keeps bringing up the energy bill, now he's calling Obama a poseur, "walking the walk and talking the talk"...this is how McCain really feels about Obama.

9:23 - Second campaign email, also from McCain. "DEBATE FACT #2: BUSINESS TAX CUTS Summary: Barack Obama too has been supportive of reducing tax cuts for businesses..." etc. This is an insult?

9:22 - Obama keeps calling McCain "John." Huh. Wonder how it would go over if McCain called Obama "Barack."

9:19 - McCain calls corporate taxes "the business tax"...good nomenclatural shift. Frank Luntz got a memo to him, perhaps.

9:13 - First campaign email. From McCain camp. "DEBATE FACT #1: A RECORD OF FIGHTING FOR REFORM Summary: Despite Barack Obama's claims, John McCain has a strong record of promoting reform and oversight of Wall Street..." etc

9:08 - This isn't a good format for McCain's yuks -- the paternity of bears, etc. The audience is too quiet.

9:06 pm - -It's too bad these guys don't like each other because in any other situation I think they could be friends. Seriously!

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jpt: "Obama may have conveyed a lot of things tonight, but I don't think he seemed unprepared"

huh?

how can someone who has never done anything but talk in his life be prepared for the biggest job in the world?

Never had an employee. Won't talk about his only "executive role" - Annenburg Challenge. Never been in business. Never published a legal paper (except 1 or 2 opinions in college). Never sponsered legislation of any import, but lied about a bunch.

If this is "not unprepared", then everyone reading this column is just as prepared.

Could this country actually consider electing someone who has never done ANYTHING but talk in his life? It's mind-boggling.

Posted by: notafool | Sep 28, 2008 10:22:33 PM

Now we know that not only Obama can lead, but also he had a plan for the future of this great country!
Now McCain can snooze at night!. Obama can answer the 03.00 am call any time!
Rebublicans can spin like wash machine all day long! The truth is
Senator McCain past actually impairs him from to be flexible and confront the future with open mind. .Senator Obama foreign policy is moderate but also smart. That helps to keep our friends near, and or foes nearer!
What an ostrich and the Republicans have in common? Let me guess!
An ostrich bury its head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.
Republicans do the same and follow McCain!

Posted by: foreclosure | Sep 28, 2008 4:31:11 AM

McCain's body language was downright disrespectful. Even when Obama said "John" it was in a friendly way and he used it when saying McCain did have some valid points. Other times, he said Senator McCain.

Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 28, 2008 2:02:36 AM

In a debate like this, content is important, but body language is to.

The average person doesn't watch the debate like the pundits do-scrutinising every single point and argument. They watch body-language too. Most polls gave it to Obama. The general sentiment was that Obama appeared respectful and presidential in addition to proving he was no lightweight on foreign policy-supposed to be McCain's turf. Many felt McCain appeared disrespectful, by not looking at Obama and snickering whenever Obama talked.

Obama called McCain John, if you noticed was mostly when he said McCain made some valid points, and he said it in a respectful, not mocking voice. Other times, he referred to him as Senator McCain.

McCain is too confrontational, he appears too much to have the "Us vs Them
and Axis of Evil mentality to label countries. The thing is, nothing is in black and white. No matter what Iran's president says, Iran is not very democratic, it does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of the millions of Iranians who don't have a say. He didn't remember that. I thought it fitting McCain's podium was under the eagle talon that had arrows clutched in them, and Obama, the olive branch.

Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 28, 2008 1:30:25 AM

MEW - Sure you right wing nuts get it when there are not move of you nuts around. Obama/Biden 2008!

ATE YOU HEART OUT!

Posted by: GL | Sep 27, 2008 1:52:06 PM

I would agree with that, but McCain's defensive body language and the fact he would not even look at Obama makes for a lousy first impression and that is not overcome with time. That is seared in a person's memory.


They tell you to look at the person you are talking about face to face and McCain wouldn't!

Posted by: gl | Sep 27, 2008 1:45:38 PM

gl,

"Right wing nuts" get it!!!

Posted by: MEW | Sep 27, 2008 1:27:01 PM

Watching cnn. Obama's scoring w/ the Independents and Dems. McCain mainly scores w/ the Republicans.
Posted by: Vanessa


This is what the right wing nuts don't get. We all know by know what we will be voting for but not the 20 percent of undecided and independents voter which those are the one Obama have connected with at this debate as I was watching it on CNN. McCain and his camp still haveing reached out to them or any middle class voters. Not once did McCain mention helping the middle class.

Posted by: gl | Sep 27, 2008 1:00:02 PM

Leonard Peltier - I agree with you we need all the Republican out of the office.

Posted by: gl | Sep 27, 2008 12:50:35 PM

You guys posting on this site have been posting for months and you are not the one we want to her from becasue we already know who you are voting for months ago. I want to hear from undecided voters Not you right wing nuts that post on her everyday and night. ONLY UNDECIDED VOTERS ONLY

Posted by: gl | Sep 27, 2008 12:38:35 PM

McCain was in his element.
A lying, swaggering, wacko.
He committed political
suicide in the debate with
his bad performance.

Posted by: anon | Sep 27, 2008 12:37:35 PM

Mike,

Get Real. McCain paranoid? Never. It's called "realism." He has a realistic view of the world, based on his experience. He confronts the dangers of the world with clear eyes. He has the good judgment to believe that war should be a last resort but would use force when necessary to protect American interests. Ironically, it seems to me, it is Obama who sounds pretty quick on the trigger, wanting to fight Pakistan, watnting to sound tough. As McCain said to Obama last night, you don't point a gun if you don't intend to shoot it. McCain is a responsible, capable, prepared leader with a clear vision of America's place in the world. That came across last night. Sorry you could not allow yourself to see it.

Posted by: GetReal | Sep 27, 2008 12:34:04 PM

McCain says he doesn't "need any on-the-job training." Yea, but his VP running mate do and I don't think there is enough time for Ms. Sara Palin to get that training by next Thursday. See what McCain keep forgeting he that fact that he is very old and have cancer so his running mate chose should have been some this experience of some sorts which Sara Palin have zero experience. McCain will lose this election behind his VP running mate and Thursday will say it all.

Posted by: gl | Sep 27, 2008 12:23:59 PM

Brenda,

Well said!!! Obama cares about the middle class about like Iran cares
about Isreal.

Posted by: MEW | Sep 27, 2008 12:14:50 PM

P3ng

If you BELIEVE that Obama cares about the middle class, you need to ask yourself why he failed at every project he BEGAN but didn't finish in Chicago. Those people were BELOW middle class and Obama failed them. If you doubt that, you may want to look at the neighborhood Obama worked in and for. He didn't want to help the middle class or the lower class, he merely needed a stepping stone for his ambitions. He didn't last two years before he was saying I need to be a politician, THAT'S HOW I can help these people. So, he became a politician, and lo and behold, those people are still living as they were when Obama was community organizing. Even the "garden" that Obama got an earmark for never went up and that money cannot be accounted for (an Obama supporter and fundraiser by the way got that money). Obama cares about the middle class so much that he voted present 130 times. He cares so much that the first thing he did upon becoming a US Senator was to start running for President, and didn't even hold meetings in his own committees to do AMERICAN business for AMERICAN people. So keep drinking your koolaid. Obama doesn't have it.

He's a Chicago politician determined to feed his own ego, not the poor people.

Posted by: Brenda | Sep 27, 2008 12:08:18 PM

Obama came over as a very angry highschooler.....

Disrespectful - If Senator John McCain is old; he should respect his elders.

Bracelet - I've got one too. How childish.

Job Interview - Senator John McCain
is most experienced.

Our country is in crisis -
Obama spells FEDERAL PROGRAMS, FEDERAL PROGRAMS, "Early Childhood Education, etc.

Posted by: MEW | Sep 27, 2008 11:40:06 AM

Easy win for McCain. He has a really good grasp of the issues and a record of getting stuff done.

Conversely, Obama has rhetoric and no record. I was shocked how disrespectful and malicous Obama seemed yesterday, constantly interrupting McCain while he spoke, and addressing him by his first name.

Most folks agree that Obama didn''t look like the proverbial "cool customer" last night, instead he seemed angry when he wasn''t speaking, and when he did speak, standoffish.

Posted by: roddy | Sep 27, 2008 11:20:39 AM

Now we know that not only Obama can lead, but also he had a plan for the future of this great country!
Now McCain can snooze at night. Obama can answer the 03.00 am call any time!

Posted by: foreclosure | Sep 27, 2008 11:17:48 AM

Jake, thanks for liveblogging the debate for us to follow. I read your blog after watching it on television. Have this observation to make: it's about respect, and McCain's lack of it for foreign leaders, for his opponent Obama, the American people, particularly the low and middle class, and the educated.

McCain never mentioned the middle class in his addresses.

In his attempts to paint Obama as naive, he came across as petty, belittling, derisive, and just negative and uninspiring, when in this time we the American people want inspiration to get us through the dark times with the economy and the war, and global warming.

McCain isn't one to school somehow else on foreign policy, being one that confused the PM of Spain as a Lat. Am. dictator. On Pakistan, McCain shows he's out of touch with reality, because American military is already attacking targets inside of Pakistan, and just the other day it was reported the Pakistani army shot down one of our drones. This insistence by McCain ultimately shows he has no respect for the American voters intelligence.

I can go on...But sum it up in one word, and it's spelled R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Above all, I believe, and maybe I'm alone in this, that one who aspires to be the President of the United States of America, should respect the position and the qualifications for it. It means making sure your Number 2 is qualified to replace you. It means respecting the duties of the President, and not to overstep the other branches, or the inherent power of we the people. It means understanding that the President is the moral authority in the country, because we're both a religious group of people, yet secular in governance, and it befalls on the President to model behavior and mores that the rest of the nation follows.

Posted by: p3ng | Sep 27, 2008 10:49:36 AM

You know Obama won the debate when foxnews website poll has it 50-50. Majority (70%) of those polling are conservatives.

Posted by: Vanessa | Sep 27, 2008 9:41:19 AM

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