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NRA Fires Away at Obama-Biden on TV and Radio
September 22, 2008 2:42 PM
"Defend freedom," urges the National Rifle Association's new TV and radio ad campaign. "Defeat Obama."
The powerful gun owners' lobby today announced it is firing away at the Democratic presidential candidate with a cache of TV and radio ads in New Mexico, Colorado, and Pennsylvania.
The ads will run on cable TV in all three battleground states: CMT, CNN, DISC, ESPN, ESPN, ESPN News, ESX, FXNC, GOLFm HIST, MIL, NFL, Outdoor Channel, Speed, Spike, TBS, TNT, TWC, and Versus.
The ad called "Hunter" features a Virginia hunter named Karl Rusch asking about Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., "Where is this guy from? He's probably never been hunting a day in his life."
"Hunter" claims Obama supports a "huge" new tax on guns and ammo, a claim based on a 1999 story in the Chicago Defender. It says Obama "voted to ban virtually all deer hunting ammunition" (a charge based on a 2005 Senate vote for a failed amendment from Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., which would have expanded the definition of "armor-piercing") and supports a "ban on the shotguns and rifles most of us use for hunting" (a reference to Obama saying in a 2004 Senate debate that President Bush should have renewed the Assault Weapons Ban.)
"Veteran" features the hunter's son -- former Marine Staff Sgt. Kurt Rusch, who served in Iraq -- and takes issue with Obama's opposition in 2004 to a bill that offered legal protections to those who use firearms in self-defense, "freedoms that I fought for, that my friends died to defend," Rusch says.
The legislation originated from a 2003 incident when a Wilmette, Ill., restaurateur named Hale DeMar shot and wounded a burglar who broke into his house. DeMar was prosecuted by the town of Wilmette, which had, at the time, a ban on the possession of handguns, so some Illinois lawmakers introduced legislation to offer legal protections to individuals who use firearms in self-defense. The bill passed the Illinois state House by a vote of 86-25, and the Illinois state Senate -- where Obama voted against it -- by a vote of 39-20.
A third ad, "Way of Life," features Scott Siefert, a Michigan farmer, invoking Obama's infamous line from a San Francisco fundraiser in April about economically hurting small towners "cling"ing to guns, God, and bias.
"Because I believe in traditional American values, go to church, and exercise my right to own a firearm," Siefert says, "Barack Obama says I'm bitter. Well I'm not bitter, I'm blessed."
Then there's this fourth ad, targeted at Keystone Staters who like Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del. In "Pennsylvania Values," the narrator says, "Joe Biden wants you to believe that he shares your values because he was born in Scranton. But Pennsylvania gun owners and hunters don't share his values." The ad then runs through a litany of gun control measures Biden has supported.
The NRA is also running audio attacks on 60 radio stations in Pennsylvania, 22 radio stations in Colorado, and an undisclosed number in the Land of Enchantment.
- jpt
September 22, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (177)
The only member of my family ever shot was gunned down after commiting a murder. As long as the world has evil, I'm keeping my trusty SKS ready. Gun ownership is nothing more than homeland security, and no invading country would ever feel like dealing with 80 million American snipers. I've been to Chicago, and being their made me realize how stupid it was that a person could not carry a concealed weapon. I lived in Las Vegas, and wished that the law permitted one to carry concealed without a permit. No way in hell I'd ever live in some neighboorhoods without the firearm of my choice at my disposal in my home. Do you think I should only be allowed pepper spray against a thug twice my size? I saw a group of thugs break into a home a few years ago, and believe me, nothing will stop me from having a gun ready in such an event.
Who knows? I may someday die of a gunshot wound. I even had a scary experience of a gun blowing up on me once. But that pales in comparison of my fear of being disarmed. The second amendment isn't about hunting- it means I we the people are a militia to defend ourselves, period.
Posted by: Steve-O | Oct 26, 2008 9:10:03 PM
1. Obama challenges the 2nd Amendment ... The Right To Bear Arms.
2. Obama challenges the 1st Amendment ... The right of Free Speech.
Obama pressures all media who accepts NRA advertising.
3. Obama wants a Civil National Security Force ... with the same budget as the Pentagon.
So, Obama does not want any opposition, so he stops Freedom of Speech.
Then, to make any opposition defenseless, he wants to take away our right to bear arms.
Next, he wants a Civil National Security force to put down any insurrection.
Sounds like the stepping stones to a leftist dictator taking over this country.
Posted by: PAUL REVERE | Sep 29, 2008 5:06:13 AM
Donna, your words were do eloquently stated.
Oonogil, thank you for recognizing them.
And though my children were part of "Way of Life", I've learned a tragic lesson this week. A 17 year old in my school district shot and killed his parents over a cell phone bill. But I can honestly say that our hunting weapons are safe.
Posted by: Michigan Mom | Sep 25, 2008 7:18:06 PM
Donna – You demonstrate rare wisdom.
Posted by: Oonogil | Sep 24, 2008 9:58:19 AM
Debbie –
Allow me to express my condolences to the family, friends, police department and the entire city of Philadelphia. When a good officer is lost, we all suffer the loss.
When heavily armed gunmen robbed a bank in LA California the police were outgunned by illegal weapons. Police were able to arm themselves at a local gun store which was civic minded enough to supply them with AR-15s and ammo. I have personally had to back up a deputy sheriff and I am not the first citizen to do so and will not be the last.
A gun is a tool. Like any other tool it is neither good nor evil. It’s use is purely dependent on the will of the owner.
I have had the unfortunate need to use a gun to defend myself. Not an experience I care to repeat but I am alive to repeat it if I have to.
Again, my sincerest condolences.
Posted by: Oonogil | Sep 24, 2008 9:56:20 AM
Angelo,
I googled the story you referenced. There was nothing about the firearm used, but there was this...
"Giddings had a long criminal record and had recently been released from prison."
What a surprise. That means that possesing a gun, or even a single bullet was a federal felony for which he could have been sent away for 5 years on each count (each bullet). I would guess that during his long career he probably was arrested with firearms before. However federal gun laws are amost never enforced against criminals, as the feds prefer to let the states charge them with assault, theft, etc. Then they get out and commit crimes again. It would make more sense to try to get the Feds to use the laws already on the books to put real, dangerous criminals away, than to further infringe the rights of law abiding citizens who own scary looking guns.
Posted by: Shooter44 | Sep 24, 2008 9:04:36 AM
Those of you that claim Obama supports the 2nd Ammendment and your RIGHT to defend yourself, you have no leg to stand on. Say whatever you want. You cannot change history or Obama's past words and deeds:
Fact : Obama has
supported banning
hundreds of rifles
and shotguns
commonly used for
hunting and sport
shooting.
Illinois Senate Debate #3:
Barack Obama vs. Alan Keys 10/21/04
Fact : Obama voted
to allow reckless
lawsuits designed
to put the firearms
industry out of
business.
S.397, vote 219, 7/ 29/ 05
Fact : Obama voted
to ban almost all
rifle ammunition
commonly used for
hunting and sport
shooting.
S.397, vote 217, 7/29/05
Fact : Obama voted to
allow the prosecution
of citizens who use a
firearm for self-defense
in the home.
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165. 3/25/04
Fact : Obama
supported increasing
taxes on firearms
and ammunition by
500 percent.
Chicago Defender, 12/13 /99
Posted by: Patriots Of Americ | Sep 24, 2008 8:12:39 AM
Something very disturbing will be revealed about Senator Barrack Obama that will force him to drop out of the Presidential race.
Posted by: Angelo | Sep 24, 2008 7:53:01 AM
Yesterday afternoon a Philadelphia Police Officer was shot 14 times with an automatic assault rifle. That officer even with a vest did not stand a chance. I need, and I sure that there are others, to have someone explain to me why these type of weapons can't be banned outright. These rifles appear to be used by thugs that have no regard for human life or the law. After it is explained to me, make sure to let the members of the Philadelphia Police Department know also, they lost a brother yesterday.
Posted by: Debbie | Sep 24, 2008 7:52:38 AM
Some of the people posting don't get it. It seems to me that the point the NRA (I'm not a member) is making has to with basic freedoms and government regulation. There are plenty of regulations in place, the problem is that only those of us with integrity follow them. Government needs to find ways to enforce current regulations before they create more which are used to raise taxes but nothing changes. I've had it with politicans in general but listen carefully to Obama, he is about saying what he needs to say to get elected. It's not about being liberal or conservative, it's about being realistic. Obama cannot be trusted. Also, remember Gov't 101, congress is the law making branch of government. Vote carefully on any congressional races. Don't just believe what the media says, check out voting records and accountability.
Posted by: Donna | Sep 24, 2008 1:47:27 AM
Guns and Religion...NoBama.
Posted by: roger king | Sep 23, 2008 10:11:25 PM
"Way of Life", it's more that just a title, it strikes home. My home. My children, my husband, my local road stand farmer, my country neighborhood church, my life. I'd like to thank the NRA and the production company and crew for coming to Michigan, for listening to our people, for showing Americans how we live. We are farmers and CEO's, we are teachers and blue collared workers. We hunt because it's a way of life, as it has been for thousands of years. We are real. We live off the family land as our relatives have done for generations past. And we will continue to share these values with our own children, even if it means having my children in a national ad. I'm proud to have had the opportunity to support the NRA because "I'm not bitter, I'm blessed". Well said Scott!
Posted by: Michigan Mom | Sep 23, 2008 8:36:24 PM
Shotgun –
Clinton signed a bill that banned many guns. Sarah Brady and Diane Feinstein said it was the first step to total disarmament. That bill cost the Democrats control of the House and Senate just as Bill Clinton predicted. Apparently it wasn’t what the American people wanted.
Obama is willing to support a total ban of all handguns and repeal of concealed carry laws. BTW: The right to carry a weapon saved my life. Obama doesn’t care about that. He just wants to please Diane Feinstein.
Posted by: Oonogil | Sep 23, 2008 5:21:09 PM
Senator Obama supported the Washington DC gun ban which he later said he knew to be unconstitutional. He still supports a similar ban in Chicago and hails the DC mayor’s efforts to circumvent the Second Amendment and circumvention of the US Supreme Court. ... If Obama is willing to circumvent the Second Amendment, how many others? If he is willing to allow the Supreme Court to be ignored this time, what about next time? If he is willing to oppose 73% of the American people, how much democracy is he planning to allow?
Posted by: Oonogil | Sep 23, 2008 5:12:07 PM
Gun owners need to wake up and get the word out!
DEFEAT OBAMA!
Posted by: Mike | Sep 23, 2008 3:32:15 PM
Barack Obama is no friend of gun owners and will gladly confiscate any guns he thinks he has the political oppurtunity to. Obama's rather pathetic attempts to cast himself as a friend to hunters and gun owners are outright lies. Anyways, the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting or "sport" shooting- its about the right of citizens to own guns for protection of their freedoms- which really means firearms designed primarily for military use- Those who think civilians shouldbe limited to "sporting guns" just don't have a clue
Posted by: Brian | Sep 23, 2008 3:17:28 PM
SHOTGUN YOU MUST BE A LIBERAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THEY OPERATE (TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING AND PUT NOTHING BACK)
Posted by: CHAOS | Sep 23, 2008 3:04:04 PM
SHOTGUN; THIS NAME IS FROM FROM RUSH LIMBAUGH'S OPERATION CHAOS
Posted by: CHAOS | Sep 23, 2008 3:01:11 PM
The NRA ads are the truth. Although Obama tries to waffle his record of anti-gun, anti 2nd amendment votes his record speaks clearly. Obama is not a friend of the gun owner
Posted by: donn | Sep 23, 2008 1:46:17 PM
I have a gun and a bird dog, and I love to hunt but I will NEVER join the NRA. The NRA is more concerned about selling guns than really protecting our 2nd amendment rights. The NRA used all these same adds when Clinton ran for office and did anyone get their guns taken away? NO!!! Its all a big NRA hoax and most numb-skulls are easily fooled to believe it. If the NRA had it their way every high school teacher would have a gun to protect hemselves and their students, anyone who took a concealed weapon course could carry a gun into a School, Church, Hospital, Courthouse, ... NRA are true radicals.
Posted by: Shotgun | Sep 23, 2008 1:19:45 PM
When I read many of the comments here it renews my earnest belief that most voeter haven't a clue what they are talking about. The current economic situation is the fault of both parties - not just one and it began more than 10 years ago - the congress and regulators bear much of the blame by encouraging (if not coercing) loans to people who could not afford them based on largely on being politically correct. Now the ones who were largely responsible for the conditions leading to this mess are standing in front of microphones with rightous outrage. Guns - Gun ownership is wishy wash supported by Obama but if you read his campaingn postion on guns he is very slick and slight of hand about what he does not say. He will attack gun ownership because it is part of the Democratic platform. Leadership - He has only great words and the belief he can solve "world hunger" through diplomacy - He will not support the soldiers in the field because they are an anathema to him - He refuses to admit the surge in Iraq is working - it is working and will continue to do so. I am ex-military and work with the military now - our returning troops tell "good news" stories about what is happening on the ground in Iraq - something you will never hear in the main steam media. Sorry, but Barack Obama is simply not presidential material - maybe one day he could be - but he is ready for prime time - he looks great and is a great speaker though and could win the college debate team honors for sure. Mr Putin and the President of Iran will eat his lunch because he hasn't the moral courage or leadership to face down these guys. He will blink first - he knows it and so does the rest of the world. But Europe (who we have had to save twice from tyranny) love him. He will deal with the likes of Hezbolla because he believes he can have an earnest and meaningful discussion with thugs and terrorists. The fact is he is a proven liberal and if elected and he will do what liberals do best - raise taxes to promote what every liberal wants - more government run "feel good" programs to solve "world hunger", etc. Sadly, I have a feeling he might be elected though because a lot of folks in the "new USA" think socialism is a good thing and that government is the salvation for all of the country's ills. Insofar as the NRA - sure they are a ultra conservative gun rights lobby organization - but they want to protect the right to gun ownership and there reaction has been to those like Obama and others who think guns are inherently bad and want them banned. Take away guns and you solve violence - same as solving world hunger. No I don't support armor piercing ammo or a 50 cal. in every home but that said please don't vote for a guy like Obama who says what you want to hear without really ever saying anything. If you Obama supporters think he is up to test - then I guess you will have to vote for him - but please do so with your fingers crossed. If the media and Hollywood love him so much you might just ask yourself - why?
Posted by: Mike | Sep 23, 2008 1:17:12 PM
The right to bear arms does not give one the right to kill indiscriminately. Palin is an example of this menality when she runs wolves with a helicopter until they drop of exhaustion then puts a bullet in the helpless animal and cuts off the left paw to claim her $150 bounty. When will this country evolve out of the bloodlust and primitive male dominance theory archetypes? As a nation we appear to be regressing to a violence dominated society, no thanks to guns. I own a rifle, solely to protect those I love from anarchists who promote aggression...much like some of these posts. Sarah Palin acts more like an angry man than a woman. So how is it that any feminist would even consider voting for her? Hypocrisy is alive and well in the U.S., "Do unto others before they have a chance to do unto you"? Huh??? That's not the Golden rule! Shame on all of us!...Tona Wanagi
Posted by: tona wanagi | Sep 23, 2008 12:17:26 PM
Once again, the non-issues have to come up. Does anyone out there really, honestly and sincerely believe that the government will EVER be able to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? I don't think so. Does anyone out there really, honestly and sincerely believe that women will EVER stop having abortions? I don't think so. Why do these non-issues keep coming up? So we can be distracted from the real ones.
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | Sep 23, 2008 12:04:03 PM
NRA will never support a Democrat, but look what the Republicans have done to
my Country, My Tax Money (700 Billion)
to bail out Rich Republican and Cronies
of the NRA. NRA is just a swift boat
attack Idiots! They wouldn't know the
truth if they were forced to say it by
gun point. The biggest Loser organizaiton in the country. Check out
what their CEO makes! Americans are tired of the same old LIES. Fear and
Lies are not going to make a difference.
Truth is all that matters and the NRA
never told the truth about anything.
Posted by: MS | Sep 23, 2008 12:03:58 PM
Any time a long time Democrat like me votes for a Republican, that means there is something VERY disturbing about the democratic candidate.
Obama supporters....OPEN YOUR EYES.
Posted by: Anna | Sep 23, 2008 11:34:07 AM
I only read one comment on here that made sense. The fellow who talked about the first 10 ammendments to the Constitution. People,both McCain and Obama will do harm to those 10 amendments. The do not really care about them. They think that we shouldn't even have most of them. Lets truly look at what they believe and then look at the independent candidates. It is high time someone other than a Democrat or a Republican was in the White House! Wake up, people! Most of you have Chuck Baldwin on your ballot in Nov. There are a few states whose are unfairly not allowed to vote for him if they so choose. But many of you will have that choice.Lets rock this Country and vote for Chuck Baldwin!
Posted by: Lori | Sep 23, 2008 11:30:21 AM
I see the Obama-trons are alive and well. Mindlessly following the "ONE" without thought or question. In case you people don't get it the one only cares about one, himself. Oh he'll make sure all his elitist liberal buddies are taken care of, at your expense. Do you want to pay $8 a gallon for gas, have government sticking their nose into every aspect of your life then vote for that fraud. Without a teleprompter he can't think for himself. 143 days experience does not qualify for President, maybe an upgrade from burgers to fries but not something this important. The little he has done in his short "career" has been to vote against the every day ordinary American. It's all on record these are NOT lies, but the Obama-trons don't want to see or hear that, because it would upset their little Utopia. Get your heads out of Hussein's butt and think for a change. Say what you want McCain will win because this country isn't liberal.
Posted by: John B. | Sep 23, 2008 11:13:51 AM
Just one of a a thousand reasons not to vote for the lying, socialist, Chicago street thug. Join the NRA, TODAY!
Posted by: patthesnap | Sep 23, 2008 10:07:49 AM
Some hunters will fall for the NRA lie, most know better.
This is nothing new for the NRA.. they've been spreading this lie since 1886.
Posted by: Gus | Sep 23, 2008 9:38:12 AM
How does Obama intend to "pay" for all of his fixes? Simple, raise taxes.
Since when is raising taxes not an important issue? Oh, he is going cut taxes for 95% of Americans.
How will businesses compensate for their increased taxes? Oh, increase prices.
Who will pay those increased prices?
Oh, the 95% of Americans who received the tax cut.
Next issue please.
Posted by: Angelo | Sep 23, 2008 9:29:02 AM
Being a member of the NRA and a democrat myself I don't like whats intended in these ads I have hunted the forests of Michigan my whole life I have NO intentions of EVER giving up my guns This is ONE ISSUE folks just like the other single-minded Pro-lifers One issue BOTH of these laws will stay the same. Don't allow yourselves to be USED Oh did I mention I'am a women Think about the issues before you vote. Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: faxbot88240 | Sep 23, 2008 9:19:53 AM
angelo----we need obama more now then ever..because mccain will not force thru the regulations we need he will let the rich and big business to continue to rape america....obama is four times as smart as dumby mcbush,and obama can handle this nation without starting more wars.mccain wants to go to war with iran russia and maybe even spain he seems to hate spain.
Posted by: tom | Sep 23, 2008 8:52:43 AM
Say goodbye to that universal health care plan, 700 Billion dollar bailout.
Say goodbye to that tax cut for 95% of working class Americans, 700 Billion dollar bailout.
Say goodbye to Barrack Obama, the only candidate that has benefited from our economy going into the toilet.
What an opportunist. If you really think he has the answers to fix this economy, you are fooling yourself. He doesn't have answers for anything, he has speeches. He is more like a comedian than he is President. He should go on tour and hit the comic circuit, I am sure he will give all of us Americans a good laugh.
We need a real leader -- John McCain.
Posted by: Angelo | Sep 23, 2008 7:19:45 AM
Joe,
It's OK. Don't feel sorry.
Obama and Biden will win without Your vote.
Posted by: zen | Sep 23, 2008 6:36:16 AM
Yeah right i hope thats sarcasm about guns even being a problem right now compared to the economy and our security, haha i love it, NRA is the biggest bunch of nerds that need something to protect them from their own anxieties, yeah lets give them guns thats smart, im telling ya, how dumb can you get? someone tell me why anyone would need anything other then a rifle for hunting??? please im all ears??? because your weak? cant fight? cant debate? so a gun can do your bidding for you right? cowards. NRA is pathetic. Ill always fight for our constitutional rights but for morons to be armed, rifle....all for it. Assault weapons, hand guns, anything of the sort theres no room in society for, if you think otherwise move to the middle east where youll probably last a day.
Posted by: Jim | Sep 23, 2008 6:26:12 AM
We all know that when "ordinary folk" like Obama prefers to refer to everyday law abiding americans, are not allowed own guns, then they are at the mercy of law breaking thugs, and criminals, who will always illegally obtain guns anyway. No way will this out of touch elitist Obama ewould ever get my vote.
Posted by: Badger | Sep 23, 2008 6:09:56 AM
American needs to see more ads like that, INCLUDING HIS FLIP FLOP PANDERING Obama is the biggest sham, and purveyor of BIG government
He is by far the biggest flip flopper of this decade.
GUN CONTROL
DEATH PENALTY
FAITH BASED INITIATIVES
IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION
PUBLIC FINANCING
ONE ON ONE DEBATES
OFF SHORE DRILLING
JERUSALEM PALESTINE
IRAN THREAT
WELFARE REFORM
CUBAN EMBARGO
ELECTRONIC SURVEILLENCE
NUCLEAR POWER
NAFTA
STRATEGIC OIL RESERVE
TAXES
ENERGY POLICY HE VOTED FOR THE BUSH CHENEY BILL
too many more to list
Posted by: Badger | Sep 23, 2008 6:03:33 AM
The NRA needs McCain to answer where he really stands. Or if he is Flip-Flopping sides.
Ask his Puppet Masters. The Oil Tycoons, at the next rally.
Is He for America? Or His Oil Tycoon Advisors?
Is the TOP NRA officials selling out, for Oil?
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 4:02:18 AM
McCain is a Multi-Faced Lier, playing all sides against each other.
GOA Vote Report For Sen. John McCain -- 106th Congress
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 3:55:12 AM
The Economy has taken a nose-dive. Unemployment rate is high, spate of home foreclosures are on the increase, Wall street is crumbling and yet, what matters most to these People is Gun.
We will see have far those Guns will take them in the next four years.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Sep 23, 2008 3:46:12 AM
Support our gun shows. Support President John McCain. Support legal ownership of firearms.
Posted by: sandi ramsey | Sep 23, 2008 1:17:22 AM
Someone on here said only the military and the police should have weapons and "It worked in 1930's Germany, when crime was reduced to almost zero." That's the scariest sentence I've read in a long time! One of THE most powerful reasons to own weapons is to keep the police and the government from running amok ... and I first heard that from a Sheriff's deputy.
Posted by: Alan Barnard | Sep 23, 2008 1:04:27 AM
The NRA is nothing but a big hunting club. Their concern for the 2nd Amendment is fake! Join a good gun club who supports gun owners ,"Gun Owners of America" Don't be fooled by these NRA fanatics!
Posted by: Williamb | Sep 23, 2008 12:59:02 AM
Pass this on to any SMART NRA members.
*Do Not let money hoarding Lobbiest, ruin the NRA. Say NO TO MCCAIN*
MCCAIN is buying corupt votes.
Say no to McCain, and yes to Freedom.
Check out McCains gun policies. Spread the word.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 12:55:10 AM
McCains gun Policy:
In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.
For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.
McCain thinks he has blinded the NRA, wrong. They fought him for years, and will continue to forever. Those who remember, will remind the world. McCain is a lier. Vote Independant.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 12:38:44 AM
John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."
Check out McCains multi-faced mistakes.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 12:35:39 AM
McCains own control laws have been and are more strict, than any of Obamas.
Check out why the NRA has battled McCain for over 10 years.
McvCain is multi-faced and has no problems lying.
John McCain's Gun Control Problem
by John Velleco
Director of Federal Affairs
Sorry world, but McCain has already taken you second admendments away.
Check it out.
NRA is against McCain.
Vote independant.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 23, 2008 12:31:37 AM
Val,
Actually, the Second Amendment applies to individuals; it is not a "collective" right. This has been upheld by numerous court decisions over the past two hundred years. People who read the word "militia" only think of it in our modern context, not realizing that it had a somewhat different meaning when the
Bill of Rights was being written.
If you need more insight into what the Framers meant when the Second Amendment was written you only have to go to their letters, journals, and speeches for edification. These all make it clear that they wanted every single individual to have the right to bear arms; it was not some "collective" right given to the State. In point of fact the entirety of the first ten amendments do not convey rights upon anyone. They were put in place to safeguard rights that THE PEOPLE already held, to prevent the State from passing laws that would abrogate those rights.
Please, go read the first ten amendments again, closely, and you'll see that this is true. These amendments were added because the PEOPLE of the various states were concerned that their new government might try to limit the freedoms they had just won on the battlefield. Every single one of these pertain to individuals, and their rights; they have nothing to do with the rights of the State and in fact are clearly laid out to restrict and constrain actions of the State.
(By the way, since you appear to be a history buff, spend some time researching just WHY crime appeared to drop after Hitler came to power. I believe you'll find it most revealing. You'll especially like the quote from Himmler regarding the confiscation of guns, a step he found necessary since private ownership "doesn't further the aims of the State.")
Posted by: Walker Evans | Sep 23, 2008 12:30:09 AM
This gun owner has no problem with Obama.
Posted by: Tungsten
Neither do I, what's the problem boys?
Posted by: spacerook1 | Sep 23, 2008 12:09:08 AM
This gun owner has no problem with Obama.
Posted by: Tungsten | Sep 22, 2008 11:22:02 PM
As a former Police Officer I can assure you that the ability of citizens to keep and bear arms helps keep our American homes safer. McCain/Palin is the ticket for me.
Posted by: Dragonsmoke6 | Sep 22, 2008 10:54:53 PM
i think their should be at least 1 gun for each house hold member. get out america and buy. a great way to spend your stemilous check.
Posted by: bill morrison | Sep 22, 2008 10:31:24 PM
Don't know what's worse. An NRA member or a gang member.
Posted by: kgj | Sep 22, 2008 10:24:36 PM
Obama is the one who is truly two-faced, or 50/50, no better than other candidates. Typical politician as usual. Do some homework, please!
Posted by: tiger | Sep 22, 2008 10:00:39 PM
Lawrence: You must be one of those college students or graduates that think they are so intelligent until exams come then they have to drop out. 52% on drugs and booze. Look what happened to Obama. Know nothing, do nothing and says nothing. He even has to take lessons from an advisor for the debate on September 26 with McCain. There are high school graduates that are ten times smarter than college graduates and many of those students are dropping out because they can't master the course. Is that the highly educated that the media says voted for Obama. Give me a break. There are real estate sales agents making big commissions that never stepped their foot in the door of a college.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Sep 22, 2008 9:46:54 PM
The kids and anyone else who wants a gun can get them easily because our government is swayed by those who feel it is an all or nothing fight to retain the right to own a gun. People come together to remove the ease at which our youth obtain these guns and kill each other, often taking one or more innocent lives in the process. No one needs semi-automatic or automatic weapons to hunt. No one needs bullets to pierce armor. What we need is a sense of caring about your fellow citizens and a desire to live safely without fearing that you will be the innocent victim or the intended victim of someone who cares less then you about life and easily got their hands on a gun, and just as easily, without any hesitation took a life so that they could feel superior to the lifeless person lying in a pool of blood, who only moments ago was full of life.
Posted by: James | Sep 22, 2008 9:42:22 PM
lost sadie: Yes, guns do kill people when the person handling the gun shoots. Where have you been? How many little kids got access to a gun that the parent's left on a table and shot himself playing with it. The trouble is we don't have any laws. Its too easy to buy a gun. How about the 32 students that got shot to death. The Tinley Park murders and the Brown's Chicken murders.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Sep 22, 2008 9:38:10 PM
Kinda nasty picture with the gun pointed toward Obama's head. What backwood's creature is whining about his precious little "weak man's" weapon now? We've got a lot more to be concerned about than some idiots fear of his own shadow. If you hunt for sport, what the hell of you so afraid of? Nobody's trying to take away your freakin rights. Poor gun rights advocates, are we not paying you any attention this election? Wimper, Whine, Sniff, Sniff!
Posted by: For Real | Sep 22, 2008 9:34:37 PM
humter: If Obama wants to bring down crime why is there so much shooting on the southside in the Englewood neighborhood. If he wants to keep down crime then guns have to go. There are too many gang bangers getting access to guns and killing young kids. And the Englewood neighborhood had killings every week for months. The NRA don't care about that they care about themselves.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Sep 22, 2008 9:33:34 PM
foreclosure: The only change Obama knows is the change in his pocket and the change of clothes. But Obama does not like the NRA because he doesn't like guns. I don't like the NRA and I don't like guns either. I do not like the idea of hunting and killing animals. I am a staunch animal lover. I like John McCain and Palin but I wish she would stop her hunting. There is plenty of food at the grocers and these animals want to live too. John Kerry hunts also. He shoots birds.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Sep 22, 2008 9:12:50 PM
Hmm...
That makes two comments of mine that have been deleted so far. The other deleted comment belonging to a prior story.
If I am breaking some rules, I wish whoever is deleting my comments would explain.
Posted by: Brad | Sep 22, 2008 9:08:17 PM
Whoever wins the Presidency is not going to give a rats butt about taking on gun owners.
They'll have their hands full with this disaster of an economy that they inherit and a couple of wars to attend to.
This type of ad just plays into emotional fear. Any hunter or gun owner who falls for this thinks far too highly of this issue as an priority, which it is NOT.
Posted by: shell | Sep 22, 2008 9:04:36 PM
I love it, Defend Freedom Defeat Obama.
NRA for President
Posted by: Registered Republican | Sep 22, 2008 8:32:27 PM
historyforgotten
Yes, let's a have a debate over the pro-gun merits of McCain/Palin vs Obama/Biden. Let the airwaves fill with information, and the campaign provide as much focus as possible. The more light shed the more anti-gun the Obama/Biden ticket is revealed.
Regardless of the other valid issues to decide this election, the question of which side is anti-gun vs which side is pro-gun is not in question. Which is why your stance claiming the McCain/Palin side is more anti-gun is very interesting.
I've been following your posts with growing suspicion. Let's see, out of 111 comments, yours number 21!
You claim to be a republican, ex-NRA member, and hunter from Ohio. I believe you are not.
I am becomming more and more convinced you are posing as all the things you claim as a strategy to fool people. I do believe you are an Obama supporter, that much is true, but I suspect you are actually an anti-gunner working on behalf of some anti-gun organization. From the wide variation in posting styles there may even be more than one person posting under the name "historyforgetten" as part of an astroturf scheme.
The fact is -- you seem to know a lot more about anti-gun and anti-McCain talking points then you know about guns, gun laws, or hunting. The problem is your statements have been too schizophrenic on gun law and the NRA in particular to be credible.
Posted by: Brad | Sep 22, 2008 8:27:12 PM
Liberals are so naive. In the next 4 yrs, 2 or 3 Supreme court justices seats will be vacant. If Obama is prez he will nominate the liberalist of the liberal judges who can and will interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that "the right to bear arms" is for military only. The Dems have been pushing for a gun ban for years. In fact, Congress was just discussing this issue a few weeks ago. When will liberals realize that people kill people, not guns.
Posted by: Kay | Sep 22, 2008 8:01:24 PM
I heard Obama with my own ears when he was at town-hall meeting in Rolla, Missouri. He specifically said that he would NOT take the guns away from hunters. So, it sounds like a bunch of you idiots are gullible enough to believe those trashy ads. I'm white and voting for OBAMA/BIDEN.
Posted by: Carol of Missouri | Sep 22, 2008 7:54:53 PM
I like Obama/Biden, But I just dont think I can vote for a black guy. Sorry, Just the way it is. I want to, and I might, but when I'm at the polls, I doubt I'll be able to do it.
Posted by: Joe | Sep 22, 2008 7:11:54 PM
"I would rather see Obama/Biden elected than run the risk of Palin being President."
You're more worried about Palin than you are a candidate that is friendly with an unrepentant domestic terrorist? I admire you.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 22, 2008 7:10:47 PM
NO HOW
NO WAY
NO MCLAME & MOOSELINI PALIN, EVER!
OBAMA /BIDEN '08
Posted by: dvine | Sep 22, 2008 7:07:54 PM
"No one is going to take the guns. Worrying about this is a waste of time. I think that is really the last thing we need to worry about. It would never get through Congress. The judges will strike down any attempt.'
Yes, the same goes for abortion.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 22, 2008 7:05:38 PM
No one is going to take the guns. Worrying about this is a waste of time. I think that is really the last thing we need to worry about. It would never get through Congress. The judges will strike down any attempt. I support gun ownership and own one myself, but dont we have enough guns already? My God, how many guns are there per capita?
Posted by: Ken | Sep 22, 2008 7:04:19 PM
I know, I know. But you know, I fear Palin becoming President more than losing gun rights. McCain is an old 72 year old man, and not in the greatest of health, who is already stumbling verbally and being apparently forgetful. I would rather see Obama/Biden elected than run the risk of Palin being President. McCain could very well become mentally incapacitated or die in office giving Palin the presidency. It would be the end of America even if gun rights were retained. Palin is bad news. No, I am not a democrat and yes I support gun ownership. But dang-it, Palin scares the blazes out of me along with her high school graduate husband.
Posted by: Lawrence | Sep 22, 2008 7:02:58 PM
"The NRA showing this type of ad at a time like this. Who cares!"
You may not care, although gun owners do.
Posted by: Mack | Sep 22, 2008 7:00:05 PM
The NRA showing this type of ad at a time like this. Who cares! The stock market just dropped another 300 or so points today. It just goes to show you that the Republicans are out of touch. Since the NRA represents the Republicans, I know who to cast my vote for come November and throw the bums out of office. I'm being directly affected by this mess and I'm angry and scared. I can't wait to vote.
Posted by: Lois, California | Sep 22, 2008 6:57:20 PM
Then ads about McCains own Gun enforcement laws, will come to light.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 22, 2008 6:44:50 PM
Can anyone defend McCains two-face ads and his own gun control policies? Anyone?
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 22, 2008 6:42:31 PM
I hope the NRA runs these ads in Pennsylvania. We have a huge hunting population .