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this ad was played on a Detroit radio station at 9:35 Sunday morning, as we were driving our kids to church. If the Obama campaign was trying to target young people and women, they chose the wrong time, wrong TV station, and wrong ad for that! It was totally offensive to me, and while I'm a christian, I believe that the government has no business in what happens in the doctor's office between a doctor and any person.

I am 100 per cent pro choice. But once you make a choice for actions, you should also make the determination if you can be responsible for the consequences created by that choice.

Its an old liberal wag that its the Dems or demoncrats as I think of them -are the ones who actually care about born children.

Who wants to give parents choice regarding their children's education? Not the Dems.

Who wants to help people keep their money in their own pockets, allowing parents to care for their children? Not the dems who wish to redistribute wealth.

I am staunchly conservative and involved with a food pantry clothing closet in my Wisconsin community. We want to make sure that people have clothes and food. We are also working toward creating a job interview/resume skill mentoring program. We want out clients to move on and up and earn how to say, "I am not a victim". We want our clients to grab the opportunities that are available here in the United States.

McCain/Palin will work toward that end. And I support them. Palin shames the liberal Dems. She has become what they dream about through good old fashioned hard work and not riding on a husband's coat tails.

So sad, too bad. She is someone we can look up to and not feel sorry for. I feel sorry for Hillary every time I see a picture of Bill or see how she looks at him. Now that is so sad, too bad. Hillary needs to stand up on her own two feet and move forward under her own steam. Then she will be truly liberated and not shackled to a two-timing, sneaky philanderer.

Honestly, it's not about faith. It's about being a decent human being. Women who choose to have abortions show how shallow and weak they really are. To toss aside a potential wonderful little girl or boy because they don't want to be burdened is a lame excuse. We are strengthened by our challenges. It's what shapes us and makes us better people.

Every woman who gets pregnant should have the CHOICE to either continue to be pregnant or not.

Period.

Divided we fall.

From personal experience--the whole truth isnt out there yet, and here it is. While the pro-choice argument is "its not a baby til its born" there are consequences most regular folks dont know. When most people find out they are pregnant, they are giddy, have baby showers ect....but sadly when babies die in the third trimester, they are still referred to as "fetus's". Let me tell you how offensive and hurtful that is, while your heart is broken, its bad enough your baby died, what is worse is because of the pro-choice movement my daughter is not acknowledged as such! My daughter was 7lbs 6ounces and two weeks from my due date, I held her and kissed her when she was born. There are thousand of still born babies everyday, and the thought that there are prochoice people saying that a baby isnt a baby til she is alive out of the womb is outerly ridiculous!!!!!! To that argument I say--total B.S. cause if that were really true, then why do most people happily call their families & friends most always when they read a positive pregnancy test? And why do people say they are having a baby, instead of a fetus, when asked when they are due? And do you get invitations to Baby Showers or Fetus Showers???????????????????????????????????????????????? And why Abort it if its not gonna be a BABY? Maybe its gonna be a plant or something???????? Stupid people wake up///////they care nothing about women's choice's or women's health/////SMARTEN UP!!! If Roe and Wade ever got turned back, which may or may not happen, it just means these money making baby killing clinics cant get enough money to make profits!!! The states would have to fund it, and maybe they would be held up to more scruntiny than they are now, that is why they fight for abortions!! Wake up!! BABIES ARE BABIES AND THEY ARE ALSO WOMEN BABIES THAT THEY CLAIM THEY CARE ABOUT SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apple Pie -Shame, shame on you for pretending to even know what a Christian is. It's not Republicans that are trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone else. It's Christians who are trying to stand up for what is morally right, regardless of whether they are Republicans or Democrats. Maybe you have heard of a book called the Bible?? Maybe it hasn't been on your reading list, but it's for Republicans and Democrats and everyone else for that matter. Have you ever heard of the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? Obviously not, or you would have more sense about when life begins, and what abortion is. So, according to your logic, if I have a child who I no longer want, or an elderly parent who is just too much work to take care of,
I am justified in killing them, and not facing the consequences, but if someone tries to tell me I'm wrong, I can say they're just pushing their beliefs on me. Hmmm....now there's logic for you

Right wingers are not "pro life." That is a fifty cent word designed to imply that the other side is not.

More appropriately they are "pro-birth." They care about an unborn fetus and then once it comes into this world they say: "Ok you're alive... and you are ON YOUR OWN!"

That is, unless they need them to serve in one of their many wars of course. Then they still pretend they are "pro life" while sending kids out to die for corporate no bid contracts.

Posted by: Josh
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really ? that's a good one.
then why are MY TAXES SUPPORTING women and their kids ? on their own ?
how ? your tax forms different from mine ? you have a box to check if you personally wish to support WELFARE,WIC,medicaid ? or DON'T ?
and isn't it a fact that conservatives contribute MORE than others to charities ?

give us ALL a break.
P.S.--it's STILL a 100% volunteer armed forces and how many dems/libs are in there ?

1.partial birth abortion is infanticide,
it is NOT an emergency procedure as it
takes more than 24 hours to complete.
2.roe v wade is a total lie without ANY constitutional backing and the one suing for her so-called RIGHT,never even had an abortion.
google abortion procedures,
google it all,esp.the constitituional aspect.,which blackmum etc based their decision on.
IF IT IS A RIGHT,why did it take almost 200 years to FIND IT ?

Prior to roe v wade,the medical establishment was totally in agreement that abortion on demand was wrong,not a RIGHT.

The group Obama is targeting with this ad is also the the group that has survived the Roe v. Wade ruling. I'm a 25 year-old woman and I find it very, very offensive. Some women expect a pregnancy and begin decorating a nursery, some are teenagers with little support- who can tell the difference between their ultrasounds? Not me, not Obama. I'm a huge advocate of women's rights, but want to live in a nation where life is not conditional.

God bless Sarah Palin. Since she joined, I fully support McCain's presidency.

I also don't want the government to use my taxes to subsidize "poor women's abortion rights who can't afford it", or Planned Parenthood's sex education programs and discounted birth control pills to students on our campuses. Poor students, they will have to skip lunch to buy their pills! Well, let them go on a diet, because I have better use for my money.

I don't mind though supporting our brave troops. They just won the war in Iraq - violence at a 4-year low, the Iraqi army is in control, and the public feels safe again. Any headline news lately in our media about how we are winning the war? No, they are covering instead the Palin girl's pregnancy. Shame on them. But wait a minute - how about the Palin boy, and two of McCain's sons, serving our country in the military? Aren't their stories interesting or relevant enough to write about?

Wow. In most science classes, it is taught life begins when a sperm meets an egg. At that point the dna is established and the cells begin to grow and multiply.

The baby becomes viable at the point it can exist on it's own outside of the womb.

A baby is born at the time it leaves the mothers womb.

Some believe it's ok to remove the fetus before it is viable.

Some believe it's ok to kill a viable fetus at any time before it is born.

Some believe it is ok to withhold food, water and medicine to a viable baby outside of the womb when it was removed from the womb as a result of an abortion.

If this is what science teaches us, does that mean the pro-choice people don't believe in science?

Life begins at conception. It starts to grow into a HUMAN BEING!

Born to be another human being, just like you and me who have the right to live and capable of loving and caring. Capable of working for the good of others.Who has the ability to think and reason and be a wonderful person in service of the another human being who is less fortunate than him. That is what we should all be striving to be, to make this a better world to live in, and not to murder the helpless,unborn one, who for others, who would want to abort their own babies, because of selfish reasons, which for them is a burden in their life.

The women who want to abort should have used their reasons before having sex and should be responsible enough to accept the consequence of having that licit or illicit affair.

this is ridiculous. Republicans act like obama is going to force them to abort. The fact is abortion will happen, legal or not. If it were not the abortions these women would receive would be extremely dangerous and could likely cost the mother her life. This death would be the fault of the republicans for forcing their religious beliefs on to others. If you are all so christian why don't you care about world peace or the poor? shame, shame, shame on all of you.

Amen! Rose

Obama is an idiot! There I said it - I know it's not the popular thing to say, but it's true. Life begins at conception, plain and simple. He is not able to see that, nor does he want to. Can you say MURDER?? Because that's what partial birth abortion is, which Obama supports. I don't quite grasp the idea of the woman's choice here. What about the baby's choice? The woman used her choice when she chose
to have sex knowing the possible consequences. That's where the choice part should end. Ask God how He would vote in this election.

There is a huge flaw in the pro-choicers thinking. Yes, women should have choices, but those choices happen before conception occurs when she is choosing to have intercourse. Once she becomes pregnant, there is another life. That life should be protected as an unborn child cannot speak for nor protect him or herself. Pro-lifers value life from conception to natural death. The argument about sending kids off to war is totally different than protecting an innocent helpless child. When a person turns 18, that child can make a decision to join the military. At this point in time, that is their choice. The whole discussion about whether an unborn child is a person with rights or not was made null and void once ultrasound was invented. By using ultrasound, especially the new and improved machines, anyone can clearly see that a baby is more than a clump of cells. A baby is an unborn human being. I think a previous poster was right on the money when he said that this culture of death makes him scared to grow older. All human life is sacred and needs to be respected but so few do respect it. One of my favorite phrases is so simple but so true. It's a phrase uttered by an elephant named Horton and it states that "a person's a person no matter how small." Now how can an elephant be so much smarter than a democrat?

Right wingers are not "pro life." That is a fifty cent word designed to imply that the other side is not.

More appropriately they are "pro-birth." They care about an unborn fetus and then once it comes into this world they say: "Ok you're alive... and you are ON YOUR OWN!"

That is, unless they need them to serve in one of their many wars of course. Then they still pretend they are "pro life" while sending kids out to die for corporate no bid contracts.

Quantity versus quality? When is the best time to value human life? It appears that some believe that "life" before exiting the womb has more value than when that "life" becomes 18 and can be sent to fight in unnecessary wars. Get the baby here regardless of the hell it may live in when it arrives. To think that God would be that cruel is beyond me.

Gov Palin has and had the right to choose to have her last child knowing that it would have Down's Syndrome. She has the right to choose to support her unmarried teenage daughter to have her child as well. However, once these choices are made, doesn't she (Gov Palin) have the responsibility to make the choices about her family and her political career that will support her family first? She should be willing to give other women the right to choose what they would do in similar circumstances. The outlawing of all abortions is primarily a religious view, but Genesis 2:7 does state that "God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul." For the literalist, this would seem to indicate that there might not be a "soul" at conception???? Just a thought.

"If Oboma:
Is willing to kill babies, what about us elderly, in homes, that our life doesnt count for anything, He scares me:
(The Culture of Death)"

I can just see it now. The Dems program to save social security without raising taxes or cutting benefits.

My daughter was born in the 7th month of pregnancy. She's quite healthy, thank God. According to Obama she should have been aborted because I didn't carry her to term. What? The baby is ensouled at conception & has a right to life from then on, until natural death.

McCain would overturn the nationwide right to abortion AND let the individual states decide. So each state can then make their own rules for what they want to do, just like gay marriage, etc. So for those of you who must have an abortion, because the morning after pill and birth control have failed, than you could simply move or travel to a state that is in touch with your core values to abort your child. In the past, Hawaii, NY, Alaska & Wash, DC were some early adopters of on-demand abortion rights, among others. I think McCain has the correct position, because many do not want continued US government funding to go to support abortion procedures when they feel in their hearts it is akin to murder, which is the situation that we have today.

Sharonklim..But no gender bias issue was made by Barack Obama..I condone reverse gender bias. ..huh? were you around the past few months/days? He has belittled her achievements by comparing her days as 'mayor' with his campaign manager running his campaign, yet he misleads the public because she also has considerable achievements as Governor. His supporters attack her family although Palin did not bring them into the public eye, as he did to his children. Even the UK BBC press has stated that Palin is equally qualified as Obama to be president, and more so qualified than he is. The DNC nominee and his DNC supporters continue to play the sexism cards. He called Hillary a whiner when she pointed out that the media coverage was 4 to 1 in his favor, supporters called her derogatory female names, and then when DNC nominee mentioned her name during his speeches he scratched an itch with his third finger for a big laugh. Both he and his wife said Hillary would throw the 'kitchen sink' at him. These are all example of his sexism, he also played the racism card and even his book talks about his learning how to play devisive politics. Continue to be blinded by his celebrity status and media favoritism at your own risk, but remember you are now dragging down the rest of us with you, because we all love this country. It is not the blackness of black women that holds them back in society, it is the sexism which is more destructive to their getting ahead. Some women get this, some do not. But this election is about the candidates, issues, and policies, and the better qualified candidates are the RNC team McCain/Palin.

@ Jackie | Sep 3, 2008 9:43:39 AM
"Anyone that is not certain if a soul is present at conception or actual birth has no business championing this cause."

So, if a soul forms at conception, do identical twins each have half a soul? Don't impose your religious beliefs on my secular government. You don't want an abortion? Don't have one. It's your CHOICE (for now).

All you women - Watch the TV interview Sarah Palin had last spring. Palin called Hilary Clinton a "whiner" when she claimed gender bias by media. Now McCain-Palin themselves are also claiming "gender" bias. But no gender bias issue was made by Barack Obama. As a professional woman I welcome criticism and would want to be treated fairly. I condone reverse gender bias. Because this is not fair and I know what it feels like. Being treated fairly is what this is all about. As a female I do not appreciate politicians who just use gender bias claims for statements that are not gender biased. Repeated use of these types of baseless "gender" claims is an insult to all women and yes, men too. And it will ultimately, most certainly damage the cause of all women.

McCain is not the one out of touch with women! There are at least two victims for every abortion, the baby and the woman. However, the woman may not realize it at the time. It takes a lifetime of suffering and painful regret before the woman may realize she's a victim of the abortion industry. Do you really think that an abortionist cares about the women he is "helping." No, he cares about lining his pockets. This industry is big money. I bet the Democrats campaign is paid for in big part by Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. The democrats have been bought! It is sickening. I couldn't even watch the DNC..They all make me ill. But, I am especially disgusted by Joe Biden who is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Believe me, he is not a faithful Catholic and I applaud the US Bishops for speaking out against him and the other frauds like Nancy Pelosi and the like. God Bless John McCain and Sarah Palin for speaking the truth. I pray Roe vs. Wade is overturned someday.

One of the first indications that a person is dead is when no heartbeat can be heard anymore.
In your opinion how many days after fecondation one may hear the first heartbeats of a baby?

The Obama campaign had better come up with something better than that. The Democrats made it clear with the 18 million voters of Hillary Clinton "Screw you & Hillary Clinton" we don't need you. Now all of a sudden they are worried about my uterus. Don't thinks so. Any intelligent woman voter knows this goes back to the states and does not fall prey to these scare tactics.
Her should have worried about the women's vote before now by selecting Hillary. To late now.

The ad states:
Let me tell you - if Roe v Wade is overturned, the lives and health of women will be put at risk.

This is an incredibly stupid statement. It is Abortion that puts the lives and health of women at risk! Research how many women have died and have been seriously injured and are now unable to conceive as a result of their choice and have been diagnosed with breast cancer as a result of choosing a completely unneccesary surgery.

The as also states:
"We can't let John McCain take away our right to choose... We can't let him take us back."

The perception of some is that this is about choice. It's not. The truth in this matter is that the word choose can be substited with the statement, "My right to destroy my baby."

The truth is that the right to abortion has enabled the society of the United States to murder 50 million persons.

What most do not see is how pregnancy is a blessing, a grace, which allows for individuals to become more unselfish and in essence more loving. Becoming pregnant is the nearest point where humanity resembles the likeness of the Holy Trinity.

Abortion is the antithesis of creationism. One cannot state that they have faith in God and support abortion. The act of abortion defies God.

What most are unaware of is that Abortion amounts to spiritual suicide. By the distorted perspective of fighting for the right to choose, fueled by pride and a dertimination to not be controlled (by the natural outcome of sexuality?!), people and our nation and our world are unwittingly destroying the relation they have with God and the promise of eternal life.

To some that last statement probably seems overly dramatic, however, I surmise that logic suggests otherwise. If humanity, made in God's likeness, willingly denies life into it's domain, then certainly there is justification for God to deny life into His domain.

And, yes we have been provided with the sacrifical lamb, our Lord, Jesus Christ, to shield us from God's wraith, but, we are incapable of proposing a willingness towards faith and a belief in the salvation if we continue to embrace abortion. It's not plausbile to suggest one can be for God and against God. It would be simply foolish for one to promote themselves as a pro-choice christian.

Lou, you wrote: "The issue is not abortion per se; the issue is a woman's right to make decisions regarding her own body."

What a crock! We have laws that prohibit the taking of controlled substances. Isn't that infringing on everyone's right to choose? To choose as to whether to be high or not, whether to overdose? This IS about the killing of the innocent.

Now for those who attempt to equate abortion with the killing during war or even capital punishment, the difference is that the unborn is innocent. The infant is unable to defend itself.

As for Sarah Palin's stance on sex education, she opposes "explicit" sex education and the distribution of contraceptives in schools. The question and subsequent answer that everyone uses to claim that she is against birth control and for only abstinence education was actually: "Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools." TO THAT SHE SAID "YES."

As far as I know she has never been asked specifically, "Do you oppose birth control?" I have seen reports that she actually does support birth control. I don't know! Hopefully she will answer that question tonight. Or if not, then during her first news conference maybe someone will ask her that question.

Finally, abstinence IS THE ONLY 100% effective method to not becoming pregnant and/or preventing sexually transmitted diseases. The problem is NOT the method. The problem is not adhering to the method. Contraceptives are not infallible.

"Why does he only have his wife and half sister for character references....why can't granny talk?"
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Typical white person?

"After running the most misogynistic campaign in Democrat history, now it's time for Obama to scare the little wimmin into voting for him. I wonder how woman feel about being first mistreated, then second, threatened?"
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A whole bunch of 'em "feel" that voting for Palin or for Cynthia McKinney is the best thing to do.

After running the most misogynistic campaign in Democrat history, now it's time for Obama to scare the little wimmin into voting for him. I wonder how woman feel about being first mistreated, then second, threatened?

What's BO's stance on drugs, since he was so into crack 22 years ago. His drug friends wouldn't be interviewed for the bio they did on him on FOX. Why does he only have his wife and half sister for character references....why can't granny talk?

What about all the killing going on in Iraq (and elsewhere) and capitol punishment? The conservative anti-abortionists seems to think it's just fine to kill those babies once they grow up. Hypocrites!

it may surprise some americans, but there are somethings we just don't have the right to do...

If McCain is elected, don't blame him if Roe v. Wade is overturned. Blame Congress, with their democratic majority, for confirming the nomination! Tell them to do their job!

Wasn't Obama the one who said we shouldn't vote on wedge issues? Oh, I see, he was just talking to those who OPPOSE abortion!

Senator Obama, there are 46 chromosomes in a fertilized egg (that means its a NEW human)... 23 chromosomes from the mother and 23 chromosomes from the father).

jpt quotes Obama ad announcer:
"John McCain's out of touch with women today."
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Yeah, right: that's why Obama's VP candidate is a pathetic aging hack campaigning on his jogging abilities, and McCain's running mate IS a woman.

NObody's going to stop legal abortion, in any case.

Yes Obama, please keep pointing out how pro-life McCain is. Yeah, like that's such a bad thing to be (roll eyes). Thanks for the free positive advertisement!

Sincerrely,
-The McCain-Palin Campaign

I think this issue is "above" Mr Obama's pay grade.

Anyone that is not certain if a soul is present at conception or actual birth has no business championing this cause.

If he is really confused about that he needs to keep his mouth shut about abortion.

Jim,

The issue is not abortion per se; the issue is a woman's right to make decisions regarding her own body.

Abortion is a difficult and painful choice for women and it is unfortunate that too many pro life advocates make it sound as though it's an easy answer to sexual promiscuity.

The great hypocrisy showing up now is how Sarah Palin, a staunch pro life advocate, who not only speaks very strongly against sex education, but knocked down funding for sex education programs, refused to fund a program that would have provided counseling for unmarried pregnant teens, and is an abstinence only proponent.

Now suddenly she is dealing with her unmarried 17 year old daughter's pregnancy.

In her statement to the media, Palin said she was glad her daughter “chose” to keep and raise her child, which indicates that abortion was an option.

Hypocrisy.

By voting against providing medical care to babies that are actually born outside their mother's wombs, Obama has revealed the true heartless coward that he is. How can any person in a modern civilized nation refuse medical care to innocent little baby? How can any civilized person throw a living baby in a filthy linen closet to die? Let Obama run his abortion ads - he is the one who is out of touch.

It strikes me as quite incredible that this man has even been allowed to run for president. Have you Americans realised that some of you may vote for a man who kills children.
I was under the mistaken notion that you were a civilised nation. Now aint that strange. A nation that murders children in cold blood, that encourages mothers to have the 'right' to kill their own children.
You may not realise this, but if Obama does get into power and introduce further laws to kill more children, the end result will be a worse scenario than WWII. Western gov'ts have murdered more children in cold blood than have been killed in wars.
At least the servicemen killed in war chose to go, the children, murdered by their own moms, had no choice.
Crikey - what an appalling time this is. God have mercy on America and stop this madness.
Pro-choice - it's madness, sheer madness. Pro-death. Why on earth do you want to kill?

""As president, John McCain will make abortion illegal," says an announcer."

When was the last time a President alone decided the fate of abortion?

That Obama is sure short of knowledge of civics.

I wish that the holy rollers cared as much about life outside the womb as they do about life inside the womb.

Abortion is evil! It is killing the unborn baby no matter how one tries to justify it. At the end of life we are all responsible before God for our actions and one will never be able to justify this horrible evil. What does it matter to "gain the whole world and lose his soul?"
Political parties are responsible for disenfranchised as are all people who have the means to provide for them.

Im more outraged that the GOP doesn't address The STARVING AND HOMELESS CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY> NOW THATS AN ISSUE. The Gop preaches abstinence, no education, Take care of the children that are here. GOV PALIN SLASED FUNDS FOR TEEN MOMS. IRONIC MENTALITY.

So if a group of people, or even one person, doesn't like someone can they shoot them and say it's an abortion? Sounds silly but late term and even the killing of babies after a failed abortion attempt isn't much different. For that matter abortion is killing period. What's next? If we don't conform and follow the government leaders' wishes are we going to be "aborted?" Not much different than Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Pol Pot, Sadam Hussein, can you think of any others?

If Oboma:
Is willing to kill babies, what about us elderly, in homes, that our life doesnt count for anything, He scares me:
(The Culture of Death)

Playing politics with an issue like this is typical, no one is going to overturn roe versus wade. With about 50 million of these already done it has to be big business to someone. It would be interesting to see who the backers of the "mills" are.

Does it make sense to kill over 49,000,000 babies and we haven't determined when life begins? Since when do execute anyone before we know the facts? This in itself is crazy.

Here we go again. Abortion is pulled out of the handbook to fire up the base. This is not new. It is the same issue brought out every 4 years. The Republicans had control over the White House and the Congress from 2001 through 2006. What did they do to change this? A big zero, and why, because you have to have something you can pull out of your play book to split up Americans. Lets see, in 2004 it was defining marriage and what happened to that? A big fat zero once again. This abortion topic doesn't play well in American because everyone is on the same page with this. No one wants to have an Abortions. And everytime that someone talks about Activist Judges and removing them, you have to remember you yourself are being an Activist. All of this works both ways. If Republicans think this is the way to the womans vote, you guys are so wrong.

Fact checking

If what you say is true why did the US Senate vote 98 to zero for it?

Help me understand. The Al Qaida in Africa, Europe, Middle East, Phillipines and all the other countries should be ignored and that only in Afghanistan and Pakistan should be attacked? If Bin Laden were to die do you think the war would be over?

The calls from Bin Laden and his minions stating THE central fight for Al Qaida was in Iraq and the financial as well as men they supplied should be ignored?

Even BHO said he would keep troops in Iraq to go after any Al Qaida there.
Even BHO said Al Qaida was in multiple countries.

Your personal attacks don't carry any weight and will never win any argument.

I've read this bill and Obama voted for the provision that would protect those born alive and viable, but voted against the bill because the language threatened Roe v. Wade in describing anything with mobility or a beating heart as human because this in turn opens the argument that you can only abort within the first few weeks because after that the heart is functional.

"Infants born alive, including having survived an abortion attempt, were already protected, why would you need another bill for that?
The bill Obama voted against was a bill that tried to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

McCain should quit treating the people like fools. Everybody knows how to Google. That is, everybody who's got more than two braincells to rub together."

Infants were not protected. See the testimony of the Illinois nurse if you REALLY know how to google.

The Live Baby Act specificly said it would not overturn Roe vs Wade. If you want we can look up the exact wording of the bill if that's what it takes to satisfy you.

Face it Barrack lied when he said it would overturn Roe vs Wade. NONE in the US Senate, 98 to zero believed it would.

Davis,

You never walk alone.

"The fight in Iraq killed over 18,000 Al Qaida there."

And why is Al Queda there? Actually that should read Al Queada in Iraq which has little to do with Al Queda who attacked un on 9/11.

But back to the question of why are there terrorists in Iraq.

Because the Iraq war has become a terroist rallying cry and training ground.

We also have directly killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians while tens of thousands more have died as a result of us badly handling ethnic violence.

"It also took a government that was shooting at our planes and giving aid to terrorists to a government that is now helping us kill Al Qaida while showing the Middle East a democratic government is possible."

A democratic government is possible thru destruction of one's country and while gladly "paying" for that privledge with one's natural resources.

Bush diplomacy at its finest.

"How would the Dems handle it, hold hands and sing kum ba yah? I forgot, they would just run away, redeploy as they call it."

I can't believe some keyboard warrior is talkign tough right after claiming they care about the troops.

Ryan C,

Good seeing you out here tonight, it is 1AM here on the west coast and time to hit the hay for me!!

See you around soon!

Remember, "Country First" buddy!

No Dave, the Born Alive Act was a Trojan Horse to overturn Roe vs. Wade. The anti-choicers are trying to undermine that decision for decades now.

The State versus lacked the amendment that the act would not be used to undermine Roe vs. Wade. The Anti-choicers refused to include that in the Bill.

First of all, all anyone has to do is look at the coverage of Palin to see which group is filled with hate.

Posted by: Dave in lv | Sep 3, 2008 3:43:12 AM

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We are not filled with "Hate" Dave, we are just trying to save our country from McDummy and his lightweight beauty queen VP!!

Because if McCain dies in his first term we don't want to risk our country to this lightweight "hockey mom" that belongs on the Jerry Springer show, not as our PRESIDENT!!!

COUNTRY FIRST DAVE, remember that???

Dave,

You're certainly contrite now. I guess you realized how bad you looked.

BTW, there is no victory in Iraq.

We went there based on a lie to destroy a threat that did not exist.

Over 4000 are dead for this life with tens of thousands injured (many severly). The military is being stretched to the breaking point with some doing 4 or more tours. Some 3/4 of soldiers are coming home with some form of PTSD.

That we may eventually leave the country as a barely stabilized shell of itself with slightly less police state for security purposes is not victory.

First of all, all anyone has to do is look at the coverage of Palin to see which group is filled with hate.

Look at what fellow Dems did to Hillary and honestly say there wasn't any hate their either.

The fight in Iraq killed over 18,000 Al Qaida there. It also took a government that was shooting at our planes and giving aid to terrorists to a government that is now helping us kill Al Qaida while showing the Middle East a democratic government is possible.

How would the Dems handle it, hold hands and sing kum ba yah? I forgot, they would just run away, redeploy as they call it.

RNC spox Danny Diaz is a twisting the facts.

Infants born alive, including having survived an abortion attempt, were already protected, why would you need another bill for that?
The bill Obama voted against was a bill that tried to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

McCain should quit treating the people like fools. Everybody knows how to Google. That is, everybody who's got more than two braincells to rub together.

Palin a compassionate conservative??

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

And McDummy cares too!!!

Earlier today the Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

Q: "What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy."

Palin and McCain the "gifts" that just keep on giving!!!

The Live Baby Act was specificly designed to criminalize the act of withholding food, water and medical treatment.

Barrack voted against it.

Barrack also stated a baby didn't have rights unless it was carried a full nine months.

Give Barrack was coached his prior answers were losers for most voters, Barrack stated at Saddleback that he didn't know when a baby should have rights, that it was above his pay grade.

He's doesn't want to say WHEN a baby has it's own independent right to life.

PS I/we care very deeply for all those killed and hurt in wars and greatly respect the sacrifice they made. We also care very deeply about the sacrifices all people make when they join the military and/or the reserves.

If and when we do go to war, losing to us is not an option. We will do everything we can to win.

Did you notice that what was once the very worst province in Iraq was turned over to the Iraqi's with a large reduction in troops ? Did you notice the deaths in one Iraqi city went from 60 per day to 1?

Their sacrifices were not in vain.

"Note that while Barrack gave speeches for people to give money for Katrina relief his tax return showed he didn't give one dime of personal money."

Meanwhile John McCain was on a tarmac with Bush blowing out the candles on his 70th birthday cake.

I know it drives right wingers nuts that Obama lifts so many people up and inspires them. I mean all you guys have in the neverending hate of Rush and Hannity with a party convention that is glad its two biggest officeholders have small roles.

Dave,

The McCains give all their charity money to their own foundation.

While that foundation does give money to various causes, the biggest recipients of iuts largess have been their children's private schools. And only while the child was attending.

Ryan

You didn't answer the question.

Does a viable baby outside of the womb have the right to live or can the mother withhold food, water and medical treatment until death?

"Does a viable baby outside of the womb have the right to live or can the mother withhold food, water and medical treatment until death?"

The law is actually clear on that. There would be quite a few charges including neglect and possibly murder.

Just as laws on the books now against the abortion described. The doctors were illegally evading the law.

Is funny how much emotion you show about abortion when just last week you scoffed at my mentioning over 4000 dead in Iraq as a drop in the bucket.