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So for a lot of americans abortion is a murder...Ok and sent lots of people kill others in middle east this is...murder? No! This is just war, we don't kill, they're not like us! You criticize some muslims states because they impose chariah but explain to me what do you do if you mix politics and religion? Because if you think that politic and religion are the same thing, in first you impose your religion to the entire people; second: you don't respect free will and others believes and third your a little fool to think that your are the free world example! Because a country where a woman can't decide if she's ready to be a good mom a country where the gouvernement tell us abortion is forbidden because it's a murder but actuually we are absolutily ok with death penalty or war, this is a country where we believe in justice, in freedom in right just when we want. When politics and religion are mixed this is never a good thing, look at the History! Christians in History killed most of people in the world with the name of G.od and now they dare give moral lessons to the entire world??? They killed Blacks, Amerindians, protestants, jews,muslims,women....So have some humility and think about your history before judging!

To all of you that are Pro Life for yourself and Pro Choice for the country, consider this: Obviously you feel that life begins at conception, or at the very least that all unborn babies deserve life. If you feel that life begins at conception, why would you think that it is ok to let someone else choose if they want to keep a baby? Should Andrea Yates then be released because they were her children and it was her right to make that choice? Murder is wrong. I would liken that to saying that personally you are anti murder, but you don't think the government should get to make that choice for everyone. Killing a baby because they are "inconvenient" before they are born is no different than killing a baby after they are born because you can't handle it.

Life begins at conception period end of discussion. Right is right. I have two (twins) daughters and four beautiful grandchildren and I would not trade the six of them for anything in this world.

also, life begins at conception. the formation of a person is the process of life. if a person is born not fully developed they are still human, so why is a partially developed baby not human? if you take away they baby's life even though they may not have been born yet it is still murder.

abortion is the easy way out because you don't have to deal with your mistake. in my opinion it is cowardice and selfish.

i think its funny that every one wants to keep religion out of politics when this country was built on Christianity. also, remember the pilgrims came her to escape religious persecution and to freely practice Christianity.

also, i don't think obama is being upfront. he changes his stance on any subject multiple times. he only says what he knows we want to hear. truthfully no one can really be sure what he really stands for. i don't trust his authority over our country.

I know it was a long time ago, but in SCIENCE class I was taught life began when sperm fertilizes an egg. This was true for frogs, fish, elephants and even, gasp, humans. There was nothing religious. That's just when the dna was established and the cells began developing into a baby.

Are all pro choice people anti science?
Or is does science need to be changed to be politically correct?

Oops I was wrong. When it comes to meeting a group of jewish leaders, it took less than 24 hours to reverse his position for a united Jerusalem.

McCain changes his views every 3-12 years.

Obama changes his positions every 3-12 weeks.

Change we can believe in.

Obama sees nothing wrong with aborting a three month embryo saying that to him it is not a human life. I think that an embryo that is starting to develop human traits is in fact human regardless what Obama says.

First of all Obama wants to reduce the number of abortions in this country. if you actually did your research you would know that. Second, his stance on abortion is that it should be up to the mother and her family what they are going to do. If the government steps in and makes abortion illegal whats to stop them from taking other rights away from us? I am a Christian and i dont agree with abortion or homosexuality but what i do agree with is that this country is supposed to be free. That means every citizen has equal rights whether they are gay, straight, man, woman, black, or white. Besides that it is not the president that makes abortion legal. It is congress so whether we have a pro-life or pro-choice president nothing is going to change. We need to focus on the important issues such as the thousands of soldiers that are over seas in Iraq dying or the thousands of homeless men, women, and children on our streets. We need to decide who is better equipped to deal with the problems that our nation is facing not rebuilding a country that doesn”t want our help. Obama wants to bring our soldiers home. MCcain wants to send more over there. Regardless of who wins the presidency abortion laws are not going to change. focus on the problems that can be fixed. We do not need four more years of Republicans. It is time for a change.

Mark wrote: "Why does Barack get a mulligan here?"

Well Mark, we gave Bush a Mulligan on WMD and Iraq, and look where it got us. And McCain, of course, thinks Bush got it absolutely right!

Nice to see that someone can be humble enough to admit that his answer was lacking, instead of Bush/McCain types who are, of course, NEVER wrong about anything.

Anon Said "Abortion? I might take the Right Wing a little more seriously if they were as concerned about the lives and rights of children who are already here versus those who are not."

Last I knew Rebuplicans take offense to killing children, be they born or unborn!

The issue of abortion's morality has nothing to do with "ensoulment." It's just a smokescreen for the real issue, human life should be protected regardless of whether the zygote/embryo/fetus has been "ensouled." Why should it be morally acceptable to kill a human life that has no soul?

Consider the truth:

Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;

Why is Barack allowed a "mulligan" here?

You can bet if Sarah Palin makes a gaffe like he did - they WILL NOT allow her a "do over".

And, in any case … he still really didn't answer the question.

It's nice that people believe that abortion is a sacrament - but I think you should at least settle the question in your mind … "when does human life begin?" before you go killing potential human beings. Biden said this week that human life begins at conception. But he supports killing that life … how nice.

Your position on abortion should be consistent - it appears that, in this election, only John McCain's and Sarah Palin's is.

Does Obama's view of CHANGE mean that he is allowed to CHANGE his words every time he says something stupid? Please continue to do the talkshows Barrack, every time you open your mouth you show the world why we need to vote for John McCain.

I would hope that he has the presence not to be flip with his words and loose the election by flippin. He has got to recognize that over $300.million so far has been invested in him, for him to be flip about anything.He has a tendency to give the opposition weapons to use against him asd he did with Bill OReily by saying the surge worked beyond our wildest dreams. that was a foolish statement.It is now Palins mallet to smack his judgement. He is educated enough and intelligent enough to be making such flippin statements, they could well mean a complete loss of his supporters investments.

"Do over! Do over! Barry wants a do over!
There'll be a ton of these in the coming
days."
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The CHANGEling's also done a do-over on rescinding the Bush tax cuts. There's no there there. History, if any, will uibble over whether Obama was an even WORSE candidate than his main enabler, Democratic saboteur John Kerry.

Why the hell did the candidates even meet at Saddleback?
Too much religious B.S. is already tainting politics. Freedom of religion: fine. Praying for rain on Obama's convention: bizarre.
It is easy for Mccain to say he opposes abortion as that is his party's platform. Obama is in a sticky situation in that you can't really say XYZ about the morality of it all, then say you support Roe vs. Wade. It is not a black and white issue, but unfortunately, Red America tends to vote based largely on this issue. (That and their friggin guns....)
Obama's best bet is selling his admin as way better than the last 8 years, which NO AMERICAN IN THEIR RIGHT MIND can say were good in any way.
It's branding 101. You have the pick the better of the 2, and hope they follow through on at least half of their pie in the sky promises.

Do over! Do over! Barry wants a do over!
There'll be a ton of these in the coming
days.

"Then why is she trying to use her political office to force all of her religious values down everyone else's throat?

She is hardly the one to separate church and state. Every decision she makes, reeks of her religiosity. "

Posted by: GeorgiaforObama | Sep 7, 2008 11:51:10 PM
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Like what???????

The only decisions we have seen of Sarah's regarding religion have been those affecting her family... not her state!

And she sticks to her convictions.... but "pro-life" is a "pro-choice, is it not?

So show me!

America*centric,

Perhaps you should go research the Alaskan Independent Party (AIP). Then you would know why the question was raised.

Ms. Palin believes her pro-life stance gives voice to the unborn. Well I'm here to give voice to the Polar Bears. They'd like to be around to birth their unborns too! How dare she prevent them from being entered on the endangered species list.

Polar Bears for Obama!

She believes in separation of stae and religion..... just like it says in our constitution!

I applaud that in a person.
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Then why is she trying to use her political office to force all of her religious values down everyone else's throat? She is hardly the one to separate church and state. Every decision she makes, reeks of her religiosity.

I ran across this earlier today....

"Mrs. Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."

....this is the best post I've read yet!

Polar Bears for Obama!

I totally agree with the poster, "Mike," who makes an excellent point:

*If* there is any question about when life begins or when a fetus is entitled to civil rights -- and Obama has admitted that there *is* such a question in his mind--that it's "above [his] pay grade" -- then as moral humans we are obligated to err on the side of caution to ensure that we protect that life.

The death penalty is not administered or prescribed if there is a question whether a suspect has committed a capital crime.

Firefighters take heroic measures if there is a chance that people (even animals) are inside a burning building.

There are numerous examples of the lengths we go to protect human life when we suspect its presence.

But not Obama. He says he doesn't know; he can't figure it out. He doesn't know, so let's just go ahead and do something lethal.

He could be respected if he expressed a reasoned opinion about when sentient, protectable life begins and then based his stance on abortion on that. But he doesn't.

He doesn't say "I don't think human life begins until after birth, ergo, abortion at any time is morally acceptable. He just says it is beyond his ability to determine that.

Is he afraid to actually state his belief?

Or is he really so inhumane that he would willingly take a human life (or risk doing so) based on sheer ignorance?

Never mind his lone vote in support of letting born-alive babies be allowed to die of neglect following botched abortions.

What he's really saying is that he just doesn't have much respect for life.

'How can Palin be Pentacostal and a member of the Alaskan Independent Party?
They don't seem to go together. "

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She believes in separation of stae and religion..... just like it says in our constitution!

I applaud that in a person.

How can Palin be Pentacostal and a member of the Alaskan Independent Party?
They don't seem to go together.

I am pro life yet don't want to impose it on anyone. The last thing I need in whashington is someone in the white house monitoring women's vagina. That is not part of their job description. So Miss Palin thank you but no thanks. only a fool would think of the issue of abortion as a simple-one-way issue. this is the most complex issue at hand right now.

"No Lee,

That was not the question asked at Saddleback.

That was a separate issue asked over Obama's (alleged) support of letting a fetus/baby die after a botched partial birth abortion.

Now, the question you ask is whether said fetus/baby would be better off alive with perhaps some birth defects, or to be let to "expire"."

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I am pro-choice, but Obama's vote to permit the living being expelled from it's mother during a botched up abortion
to die uncared for in a trash tray.... is both immoral, and inhumane!

That he took this stand and still tries to support his unacceptable stand... is bbeyond comprehension.

For a man who has been the initiator of many flip-flops..... he should be sharp enough to know that THIS is one which should be added to the list!

I certainly hope that all of you Catholics who are pro-lifers consider dropping Obama like a hot coal after that comment. If you still vote for Obama after seeing how flippant his response was to that statement than all I can say is that you must really be drinking gallons of that laced kool-aid! Or, do you only vote pro-life when it is convenient for you?

kAT:
"" We need to make sure that they place Palin under the same scrutiny as they did with Obama . . . ."

THAT'S A JOKE!

Obama hs been treated with white kid gloves; the media annointed him early on and neglected to look into all sorts of glaring contradictions in his skinny resume.

He could do no wrong; the joke about the Messiah.... was NO JOKE!

Should Palin be treated the same way, she will come off just as she appears... squeaky clean!

But even if she is treated more the way Hillary was, she will still come across as a more accomplished and experienced administrator than B O.!

Obama has had to clarify NUMEROUS statements.

Do we really need a President who needs an interpreter?

The Majority of American's don't agree with Palin's stand on this issue. Rove and Schmidt have used this as a wedge issue the last two elections with great success. The question is can they do it again. Now George's interview with Obama was important. Obama stands with the Majority of Americans. The problem is that Palin will never be interviewed by George Stephanopoulos nor the other shows. But Schmidt has allowed her to do an interview with Charles Gibson. Schmidt thinks Gibson will not ask the hard questions of Palin because of the Democrat Debates. Perhaps Schmidt is right. This now will be the media's one chance to interview Palin before she goes behind the walls of Schmidt and Rove only to be let out for the Biden debate. Then Schmidt and Rove will selectively choose Fox News or the Conservative Christian TV media for remaining interviews. The attack ads will be coming at a faster pace. We already saw a preview of this from her the last ten days. After her interview with Charlies Gibson Palin will lead their negative ads from behind the protective wall of Schmit and Rove right to election night on November 4th. McCain said a few months ago the last 48 hours may decide this race. Guess who will be attack?

In just three days Obama has said the surge was successful and has tried to make up for his "above my paygrade" comment.

He was ripped to shreds at the Repub. Convention and now he's doing damage control.

Palin, Guliani, Huck, Thompson made Obama's attack dogs look like little fluffy poodles.

Great answer, Mike! I like another poster here is pro-life for myself and pro-choice for others as I sincerely believe that all our actions are between us and God. Only He can judge, understand and forgive. Our conscience is our guide and we have to live with the consequences of our actions.

But Polosi is such a hypocrite - she is saying that as an ardent practicing Catholic, she has studied this issue for a long time ....! Well, she should be against abortion if she were such a Catholic and she should be in the vatican as she knows all the answers!

Obama's flippant response about such an important issue probably didn't sit too well with many people.

Notice you don't hear a lot about Obama and the evangelical vote anymore.
McCain is winning 2:1 among Catholics even with Biden.

Combine Obama's comment with Pelosi's comment about abortion--well that's got to be good for McCain.

Obama's non-answer on a baby's human rights is very revealing. In stating that the issue is "above his paygrade" he admits he doesn't have an answer and is not sure when newly conceived life is human. Since there is doubt in his mind one would think the logical moral choice for him would be to protect rather than destroy it, just in case it's human. In other words, do no harm. However, he, despite being unsure as to the human status of the unborn, stubbornly supports the legal right to kill them.

Test yourselves on this. Wouldn't you always want to error on the side of caution before you do something which could end someone else's life or risk serious harm to them? Wouldn't you check to see if the kids are still playing behind the car before you back up? Doesn't a building demolition crew do a thorough check of the facility before they destroy it just in case someone is in there? Doesn't a fireman rush into a burning house when a neighbor says there might be someone in there? Of course, because that's the right thing to do. Not doing so is not only gross negligence, but it's not human.

McCain's position is solid and it stands up to logical thinking, even if he's wrong about the exact time we become human, which I don't think he is.

Obama says we are our brother's keeper. OK, then he should reconsider his position in favor of killing of what may be many of his brothers and sisters. Over 40 million and counting.

Abortion? I might take the Right Wing a little more seriously if they were as concerned about the lives and rights of children who are already here versus those who are not.

Debra - Most Americans go wih Palin's faith? OMG, I should hope not. Most don't talk in tongues like the congregation at her Pentecostal related church. Most don't writhe and swoon in their sense of release. Most don't disparage Jews for not accepting Jesus as their personal saviour. Most don't view war and environmental plunder as god's plan. There's nothing very typical about both Palin and her church.

I would love to see Stephanopolous try to engage Palin into a thoughtful and scholarly discourse on Christianity. I'm afraid though, if he mentioned St. Augustine, she would talk about her family vacation to Disneyworld and how Orlando is close to St. Augustine, like Alaska and Russia are.

Obama, King of Flip Flopping, I'm not surprised he's changing an answer. This guy will do and say anything to get elected...just as Rev. Jeri Wright said to Moyers...."Obama says what he has to as a politican". McCain stands up to his own party and that's why he's not "Miss Congeniality" as he has said time and again. A Dem is his best friend, and McCain and Bush have had public battles....I don't think they like each other to this day, which is why you can't say Bush 2. Bozo needs to go back to Senate and serve his country more than 143 days....most UNDESERVING LIBERAL candidate in our country's history. JOHN SYDNEY McCAIN NEVER BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

McCain's military record:

* crashed five military planes
* served 20 hours in combat
* spoke with enemies (McCain named PW Songbird)

When men can carry babies, than we'll talk. Until then, the government should do everything it can to educate kids about protecting themselves so we lessen the need for abortion. Something the Republicans are too stupid to figure out.

When does an egg become a chicken? Am I eating chicken when I have eggs for breakfast.
We can probably agree on a time beyond which there is no doubt that the foetus is a human being.
But no thoughtful person can believe there is a simplistic rational answer to what is the earliest point at which a fertilized human egg becomes a human being. There can be dogmatic religous answers yes, but rational no.

So Obama being an aspirant to a non religous job declined to give an arbitrary reply. What's wrong with that!?

Instead he promised that if elected he would try to create conditions that would encourage women with unwanted pregnancies to carry the child to birth.
Is that a bad idea? Do you oppose?!

I wonder why the media hasn't pursued Sen. McCain on his inconsistent "prolife" beliefs. As he stated at the Saddleback forum, he believes human eggs should be accorded human rights as soon as they are fertilized with a sperm. Yet he also supports embryonic stem cell research that sacrifices these "humans" for possible medical benefit. So is Sen. McCain saying that sometimes it is O.K. to murder innocent humans? I don't understand this "prolife" stance. And I don't understand why the MSM is not asking Sen. McCain to explain his inconsistent "prolife" views.

"We need to make sure that they lace Palin under the same scrutiny as they did with Obama . . ."

From what I heard, the ABC debates between Obama and Clinton were moderated in a very disparaging and disrespectful manner towards both candidates. I can't imagine the Palin interview even coming near the Stephanopolous interview. It will be a highly choreographed interview, in spite of viewer concerns.

" We need to make sure that they place Palin under the same scrutiny as they did with Obama . . . .

That won't happen. Rest assured, the ABC interview will be a choreographed and a deferred interview, which will be disguised as "tough." There will be no disparaging, like there was towards both Obama and Clinton.

Yes Brooklyn Democrat!!! Very well spoken.

Although Sarah Palin is allowing an interview under scrutiny, she may carefully negotiate which questions are deemed off the table, therefore crafting her manufactured popular image, and withholding valuable answers to some serious ethical and judgment issues.

We need to do something. We need to collectively send an email to ABC news. I believe I heard that Charlie Gibson may do the interview. We need to make sure that they place Palin under the same scrutiny as they did Obama, especially during that ill-fated debate when they invoked flag pins, and Wright, and Ayers, and questioned his patriotism.

Oh my God! We may actually elect a President who is capable of admitting a mistake and giving a thoughtful, respectful response to a complicated question!

The past eight years have accustomed to leaders who are slaves to ideology, govern via bumper sticker slogans, make decisions based on their guts, and then lie, distract, distort and divide when they screw up or are proven wrong.

Given this, I can understand why having a President with a brain may be an alarming prospect.

Here is my story. A story of a helpless man when It came to a woman right to choose. I always wanted to have children. I had a pregnant girl friend, she decided to get abortion because she already had one kid from her previous marriage and she did not want to have kid anymore. I had an ex-wife, she got pregnant and went on abortion because she wanted to finish her college first. As a man I could not have a say in their decisions. A human life in these women means nothing to them. Yes, it's their bodies and they have the rights to choose. But did they think about someone else rights? Obviously, not.

Marcy wrote: You know what cracks me up about the hypocritical religous right? They scream protect the unborn, but can not love the person standing in front of them. They pretend to love God, but in truth if the poor were to come to their neighborhoods they would be the first to move.

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What a bigoted, ignorant comment. Here is a person who paints all people she perceives to be in one big group with a big broad brush. She's decided that they "all" behave a certain way, whether she knows them or not. If that's not bigotry, I don't know what is. Talk about someone who needs some diversity training.

Marcy,

Please don't stereotype ALL conservatives as people who won't help the poor. You are way off here. MANY DO! There are many liberals who do as well... and ma=ny who DON'T.

If abortion is all about a woman's right to choose, and it's "her body," why does that argument not work in other places? Why can't a woman kill herself? It's ILLEGAL to try! WHY? It's HER body! Why can't a woman sell her body for sex? That's illegal too... why can't a woman put drugs in her own body? That's illegal too... In California, a woman can't drive without a seatbelt... WHY? It's her body!

We have lost all common sense when it comes to justifying the legalization of abortion. Women DO HAVE CHOICES! They can choose to not have sex if they can’t accept the consequences of a child. They can choose to put it up for adoption. They can choose to DO THE RIGHT THING. I got pregnant at 18 years old. An abortion would have been the easy way out… but now I have an amazing 24 year-old son whose life has impacted so many others.

How convenient that all the people who support abortion have ALREADY BEEN BORN! You got your voice… when do these unborn children get theirs?

New Gallup Poll Numbers Are Up:

McCain ahead by 3!

New Zogby Poll Numbers Are Up:

McCain ahead by 4!

Obama.
Is.
Unelectable.

Obama...all hot air and no substance!

Why does McCain and his followers choose one of the 10 commandments (Thou shalt not kill) to hone in on? Why not make breaking any the 10 commandments a criminal act? Biblically speaking, all of the commandments are weighted equally. James 2:10 says, " For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." Therefore, John McCain should be in jail right now for violating Exodus 20:14 (Thou shalt not commit adultery). How can he criminalize the actions of others, while excusing himself? That's why God is the only one who can judge us in his Own merciful way. We're all messed up! Currently, McCain lives off a fortune amassed by distributing alcohol across the country. How moral is that? Are these the family values he's proud of? He is so pathetically hypocritical! He should stop trying to play GOD and let the real GOD deal with us individually.

Rev. Samuel--
You spoke most eloquently on the subject of abortion, but I disagree with your position. Your logic would make sense in arguing the merits of assisted suicide, but an unborn has only the government to protect it from the abortionist.

According to the new Lady, for the Ladies women do not have a right to choose anything. If they get raped, NO CHOICE, victim of INCEST, NO CHOICE. Want birth control, sorry Mrs. Palin doesn't believe in birth control.

You know what cracks me up about the hypocritical religous right? They scream protect the unborn, but can not love the person standing in front of them. They pretend to love God, but in truth if the poor were to come to their neighborhoods they would be the first to move. Yes...you must love the all loving Christian Right.

That's what happens when Obama tries to pander to his specific audience. He should just take a firm stance on issues and keep them.

obama, no wonder he voted "present" 140 times.

no stands, and he can be held to anything

The more he explains and quantifies the more confusing his stand becomes. Maybe he should just a clear, one liner.

Biden said today on Meet the Press..

Life begins at conception

I am glad and believe Obama when he claims he accepted Christ at age 32.

The more he explains and quantifies the more confusing his stand becomes. Maybe he should just a clear, one liner.

To Don who posted Sept. 7th.

You make the argument that God is against abortion but we should not have laws against it. Instead, we should exercise our free choice and decide between good and evil.

You either believe life begins at conception or you don't. If you do, then you believe abortion is murder. If your argument is accurate, we should not have laws against murder. We should just let the free choice God gave us guide our conscience.

The reasons we have laws is because so many people DO choose evil and we have to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Who is more helpless to fight for their right to life than a child in the womb?

We have an obligation to stand up for injustice and the slaughtering of hundreds of thousands of unborn children every year. There have been over 48 MILLION abortions since 1973 and many people will need to stand before God and account for those deaths… including lawmakers who could have prevented it.

Just ANSWER the question - with ONE word!!! Both OBama & Biden go on & on with these long wordy answers - trying to divert attention from the fact they don't know - or always trying to be politically correct.

Yet AGAIN he does not answer the question.

This is not a theological question, it is a question of HUMAN RIGHTS. Human rights is a LAW question, something as Chief Executive, you must be able to answer. It is also a SCIENTIFIC question, which science is unanimous on this - humanity begins at conception.

It is obvious, he doesn't want to admit he is unqualified for the office he is striving for. So he must not answer the abortion question. He must avoid the answer he truly believes in:

He believes that all unborn children have no human rights, in addition, those who happen to survive an abortion (an attempted murder) have no human rights whatsoever. He's to the left of the Democratic party on this and is to the right of Peter Singer (who believes in a 30 day after birth no human rights for babies)

Why can't Obama simply just admit he thinks that unborn children are simply property to be disposed of as the mother wants? Why won't he admit that he hates the unborn? Why won't he admit he is unqualified to answer questions of law and science? What happens when a bill funding scientific research hits his desk? Will he refuse to sign it citing "theological issues are above his pay grade"?

Of course he won't. He has no audacity of courage.

What or how, for one instant does Barack Obama (or anyone else for that matter) have to question when a soul enters in? First of all, that is all messed up to start with. Because, as a Christian (and I do NOT believe that Obama is a Christian, if he was, he'd at least believe the Words Of Jesus Christ) he should know that man doesn't get a soul, it doesn't enter into the man but rather, man IS A SOUL!

Secondly, there is nothing in the scripture to dispute that man isn't a living soul at the moment of conception. For us to teach otherwise would be wrong as there is nothing to base that abortion excusing theology on.

Lastly, I believe that there will be a lot of Christians one day who stand before God ashamed, suffering great loss of rewards over supporting Obama!

Does Quran (Koran) allow abortion?

Can Obama just get through ONE day without changing a position, saying something totally false, or throwing one of his "friends" under a bus?

Mr. Obama, your answer on abortion was too flip...Is that bobanic speak?

JA

No, the question was about HUMAN rights, not legal rights, and it was asked by a pastor, in a church, in a forum specifically designed to be talking to evangelicals. I think Obama would be justified in interpreting that as a religious qustion.

When Palin ran for governor, she promised not to take any actions to make abortion illegal.

There is a long list of false statement made by Palin. Is that Christian values?????

It does not take a Bible scholar to answer the question. It only takes the 10 Commandments.

Yesterday or the day before, Jake published a false statement from the McCain campaign that accused Obama of voting to let viable babies die. Fact Check found that was not true, yet millions of people now believe it. Read the article titled "Infanticide"

"In discussions of abortion rights, definitions are critically important. The main bills under discussion, SB 1082 and the federal BAIPA, are both definition bills. They are not about what can and should be done to babies; they are about how one defines “baby” in the first place. Those who believe that human life begins at conception or soon after can argue that even a fetus with no chance of surviving outside the womb is an “infant.” We won’t try to settle that one.

What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of “infanticide” as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus’ life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion.” Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony.”

No Lee,

That was not the question asked at Saddleback.

That was a separate issue asked over Obama's (alleged) support of letting a fetus/baby die after a botched partial birth abortion.

Now, the question you ask is whether said fetus/baby would be better off alive with perhaps some birth defects, or to be let to "expire".

Perhaps only God knows the answer, but if we err we should err on the side of caution.

Hey Republicans , John McCain has flip-flop the biggest crime in history- he is using Obama slogan on CHANGE. I thought it was all about EXPERIENCE for McCain. Most of you (republicans) call yourself Christians but do not understand what the word (Christianity) mean. The last time I check, according to the BIBLE, we are no longer under the LAW but under GRACE with Jesus Christ.

For most of you who do not understand what that means, any SIN that man has commit under the LAW will not enter into GOD Kingdom but because of CHRIST GRACE, we are all SAVED through him (JESUS). Example, we all know human life is important to GOD but he understand everything that a woman and/or man endure when dealing with the life of a child.

For you so-call Christians out there, please read the BIBLE before you make irrational comments about the life of HUMAN Being.

"It goes back to Augustine," Stephanopoulos interjected.

'Interjected'? More like 'interrupted'. G.S. ruined the important quote he was about to get, and ended up with nothing.

Besides, it is not a soul that enters the body, it is a fignor (or prove me wrong). So the whole debate ran off the tracks years ago.