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Obama on the Need for Habeas Corpus: Distinguishing Between 'Barack, the Bomb-Thrower' and 'Barack, the Guy Running for President'
September 08, 2008 7:30 PM
FARMINGTON HILLS, Mich. -- A fired-up Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., took on his opponents -- "these people," he said incredulously, in a familiar refrain -- for shamelessness and dishonesty.
"I have said repeatedly that there should be no contradiction between keeping America safe and secure and respecting our Constitution," Obama said. "During the Republican convention, you remember during the Republican convention, one of them, I don’t know if it was Rudy or Palin ... they said, ‘Well, ya know, Sen. Obama is less interested in protecting you from terrorists than ... reading them their rights.’"
(It was Palin, who said "Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America -- he's worried that someone won't read them their rights?")
"Now, let me say this," Obama continued, "first of all, you don’t even get to read them their rights until you catch them. So, I don’t know what, they should spend more time trying to catch Osama bin Laden and we can worry about the next steps later. Hah! I mean, seriously! These folks.
"Catch ‘em first!"
Obama said his position on this "has always been clear. It has always been clear. If you’ve got a terrorist, take ‘em out. Take ‘em out. Anybody who was involved in 9/11 –- take ‘em out."
But, the former constitutional law professor argued, "What I have also said is this: that when you suspend habeas corpus -- which has been a principle, dating before even our country, it’s the foundation of Anglo-American law -- which says, very simply, if the government grabs you, then you have the right to at least ask, 'Why was I grabbed?' and say, 'Maybe you’ve got the wrong person.'
"The reason you have that safeguard," he said, "is because we don't always have the right person. We don’t always catch the right person. We may think this is Mohammed the terrorist, it might be Mohammed the cab driver. You may think it’s Barack the bomb thrower, but it might be Barack the guy running for president.
"The reason that you have this principle is not to be soft on terrorism, it’s because that’s who we are," Obama said as the crowd rose to its feet, applauding. "That’s what we’re protecting. Don’t mock the Constitution! Don’t make fun of it! Don’t suggest that it’s un-American to abide by what the founding fathers set up! It’s worked pretty well for over 200 years!
"These people!" Obama said.
Obama also mocked the new TV ad put out by the McCain campaign claiming that Gov. Sarah Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."
"I gotta admit these folks are shameless," Obama said, "because the record is indisputable," he said, describing how Palin had originally supported the project.
"I wouldn’t do that," Obama said. "I mean, I'm not perfect --"
"Yes, you are!" shouted a woman in the crowd.
"No, no, no, no," Obama said. "Talk to Michelle, she’ll tell you. But what I'm not going to do, I'm not going to describe in an ad that I did something that is opposite of what I did."
-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
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Folks, no matter who gets elected the U.S. taxpayer gets it stuck in his ear. If you really want change, vote out all incumbents, term limits on house members to 6 years, Senators to eight years,no retirements (they make $175,000/yr.), no health ins. for life, same Social security as we have, no per-diems, no franking priveleges and a flat tax! Quick, name 5 politician that went bankrupt. Now, how many millionairs in Congress?
Posted by: frank | Sep 11, 2008 12:44:52 PM
Folks, no matter who gets elected the U.S. taxpayer gets it stuck in his ear. If you really want change, vote out all incumbents, term limits on house members to 6 years, Senators to eight years,no retirements (they make $175,000/yr.), no health ins. for life, same Social security as we have, no per-diems, no franking priveleges and a flat tax! Quick, name 5 politician that went bankrupt. Now, how many millionairs in Congress?
Posted by: frank | Sep 11, 2008 12:32:27 PM
Travis:
Surely you are not suggesting that the Bush tax cuts that McCain wants to augment and apply permanently are based upon a flat tax model? 'Cause I would check that....
Posted by: Kim | Sep 10, 2008 9:12:01 AM
"1. Barack has explained that whats at state here is to important to wait! I except that!"
Suckers for used-car salesmen with bad spelling habits are prime Obama voters.
"2. He hasnt change on guns or abortion... Ill give you fisa he did change on that! "
Obama is an extremist gun-grabber and a pro-abortion extremist who voted against a bill protecting infants from infanticide.
Face it, Obama is an extremist.
Posted by: Travis Monitor | Sep 9, 2008 11:02:29 PM
"I am for nuclear technology (and unlike our current president, can pronounce it), and will tolerate some off-shore drilling. But this cannot resolve the situation long-term."
Sure it can. Nuclear provides 70% of the electricity in France. If we used it to that extent in the US, and used more natural gas for transportation, *and* utilized the Saudi sized shale oil reserves in Colorado plus offshore drilling, we could cut CO2 in half via nuclear and cut foreign oil imports in half via more domestic supply and alternative fuels.
Posted by: Travis Monitor | Sep 9, 2008 10:53:53 PM
"How is Obama any more "Socialist" than FDR? FDR gave you all that your parents had."
Hey, spoken like a socialist! What is this guff about FDR giving our parents stuff? My parents like most parents, got what they got through their own hard work. FDR gave them and us nothing. It came, all of it, 100% of it, from the taxpayers and the people. All FDR did was lengthen the Great Depression (see "FDR's Folly") through his bad policies that destroyed farm products, etc. and pack the Supreme Court so the courts would rule based on politics instead of the Constitution. (The court in 1934 and 1935 declared his socialistic New Deal programs like the NRA Unconstitutional, and in 1937 he tried to pack the supreme court to get around it). FDR's jailing of Japanese citizens makes him the most anti-Constitutional President we had.
If Obama is going to follow those footsteps, lets not follow him there.
Posted by: Travis Monitor | Sep 9, 2008 10:48:25 PM
"Excerpt fom Susan Eisenhower speech at the Democrat National Convention.
I believe that Barack Obama has the energy and the temperament to lead this country."
Well, that woman sure is an idiot.
Obama lacks the experience, lacks the judgment, lacks the accomplishments, lacks the decisiveness, and has been wrong on Iraq and most issues, and shows through his many gaffes and bad judgment in people (like Rev Wright and Bill Ayers) that he's not qualified to lead. Oh, but he has the 'energy' ... Are we electing a jock for president?
Posted by: Travis Monitor | Sep 9, 2008 10:39:24 PM
"So let me say clearly what I do want: for the wealthy (and the rich) to pay THE SAME proportion of their income in tax that I do"
This is a great principle. The same rate for everyone. IT'S CALL THE FLAT TAX.
Republicans have favored a flatter, fairer tax rate system but the Democrats want more income redistribution and keep wanting to jack up tax rates. Its bad for investors, business, and the economy.
Posted by: Travis Monitor | Sep 9, 2008 10:13:24 PM
OK, one last point (I'm still at work and looking for diversion): my suggestion that I wanted a "reasonable tax burden" has attracted slurs that I'm either a wastrel or wanting society to assume expenses for my lavish lifestyle. So let me say clearly what I do want: for the wealthy (and the rich) to pay THE SAME proportion of their income in tax that I do; no more, no less. For the same health care system that Congress enjoys--no more, no less. For gas prices (and food prices, a consequence of gas) to not be fixed above $4 a gallon when companies like BP and Exxon are reporting record profits for their stockholders. I don't want a free ride. I want an equitable distribution: no more, no less.
Posted by: Kim | Sep 9, 2008 9:12:24 PM
Interesting how Dems keep throwing President's approval rating of 30% in, but there is total silence on the Dems' Congress' 10% approval rating.
Selective hearing, vision, etc.
Worry about what super Pelosi and Reid had accomplished in 1 year (absolutely nothing).
Obama has NO chance now, thank God.
Posted by: AVA | Sep 9, 2008 8:10:58 PM
Here's what you folks don't get about McCain's tax plan. He will cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans and leave out 100,000,000 middle class folks. The well off folks won't be paying higher capital gains taxes becuase they will buy Muni bonds which are tax exempt and provide income. So they will make even more more. So There is no doubt that McCain is NOT cutting taxes, he is just leaving the BUSH tax cuts in place!
Posted by: julescator | Sep 9, 2008 7:50:28 PM
Wow, Tell me something Conservatives...
How is Obama any more "Socialist" than FDR? FDR gave you all that your parents had. Neocons take it all back. All that New Deal crap gave us a strong economy, strong middle class, good schools, ROADS! Cripes a little and I REPEAT, little socialism goes a long way. Everything in balance. Capitalism in it's pure form will gobble all you little selfish scumbags up in a decades time. Obama is no Marx. Obama has no desire to strip this country of what made it the wealthiest nation in the world. He only wants to improve our home. McCain will do nothing for you. His masters won't let him, and not enough of you spineless republican jellyfish have the balls enough to gather round and make it happen. At least Obama, who is whether you like it or not, backed by the majority of the whole world. That's clout!
Sweet Jesus pull you heads out of your fear filled asses you degenerates.
You'll all be bitching about no middle class soon if you continue to let your fears drive your voting. McCain is a soft serve puss. I actually liked him when he ran against W. Then he folded like the good little panty waist he is, taking it right in the can from the imbecile. He's no Maverick. He's a flat, lying piece of passionless horse crap.
Try voting FOR someone instead of voting AGAINST someone else. There's only one choice for 08. Only one man will allow US the people to drive the policy making of our future.
OBAMA!!!
Posted by: the reverend | Sep 9, 2008 7:11:18 PM
Is anyone posting on this site over 16 years old? You sorry whiners are just writing ignorant comments on the toilet stall walls. Contrary to what your mommy told you, noone cares what you feel. If you had something worthwhile to say, people might listen. But all the name calling, made up foolishness about John McCain and Sarah Palin fails to reveal any thinking is going on among the Obama supporters. McCain and Palin support life, want to win the war in Iraq, oppose homosexual marriage, favor drilling now to move toward energy independence, just to name a few positions. If you defenders of Obama could articulate the righteousness of killing babies in the womb or on the delivery room table, the benefits of abdicating American responsibility and self-interest in the word, explain the cultural benefits of destroying the American family, and explain how windmills and batteries that don't yet exist provide power for vehicles and lead to energy independence, perhaps some voters might be moved to your cause. Simply calling names, making up motivations, and sliming Governor Palin, sure doesn't win people to your side. What knuckleheads.
Posted by: Marcy | Sep 9, 2008 7:08:38 PM
AntonioG:
I actually probably have a higher tax burden than you. (From the sound of it, you are concerned about raised taxes, which indicates an income of $250,000 or more.) My brother runs a Fortune 500 company and pays a lower percentage in taxes than I do. So, I guess fairness only concerns you when you are clutching your wallet. I also have a credit rating of 780, which would indicate that I do NOT, in fact, live beyond my means. I just teach your children. I'm in the same situation as police, firefighters, many civil servants, and other people who chose to serve their communities rather than their bank accounts.
And a final thought: we were all doing fine eight years ago.
Posted by: Kim | Sep 9, 2008 7:00:14 PM
Bruce Springsteen endorses Barack Obama
"He has the depth, the reflectiveness, and the resilience to be our next president
He speaks to the America I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years, a generous nation with a citizenry willing to tackle nuanced and complex problems, a country that's interested in its collective destiny and in the potential of its gathered spirit. A place where '...nobody crowds you, and nobody goes it alone.
Critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships
While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision ... often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our Constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment." Bruce Springsteen
Vote for the real change leaders!
Change we can believe in
Obama/Biden
Posted by: Independent Voter | Sep 9, 2008 6:57:57 PM
Excerpt fom Susan Eisenhower speech at the Democrat National Convention.
I believe that Barack Obama has the energy and the temperament to lead this country. He knows that we can either advance on the distant hills of hope or retreat to the garrisons of fear. As our standard bearer, he can mobilize a demoralized America and inspire all of us to show up for duty. Discipline will be required, as will compromise, flexibility and quiet strength.
Barack Obama has already articulated a powerful vision for our nation’s future and our standing in the world.
The task before our next president will be overwhelming. But no undertaking will be more critical than bringing about a sense of national unity and purpose, built on mutual respect and bi-partisanship.
Unless we squarely face our challenges, as Americans together, we risk losing the priceless heritage bestowed on us by the sweat and the sacrifice of our forbearers. If we do not pull together, we could lose the America that has been an inspiration to the world.
On December 1, 1862, in his annual message to Congress, Abraham Lincoln immortalized this thought when he said: “We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.”
Let us respond this November to President Lincoln’s challenge.
Let us restore the hope and bring the change that our nation so desperately needs.
When Susan Eisenhower ended her great speech with “Yes we can!” over 84,000 supporters cheered, over 38,000,000 viewers saw her on TV and jumped out of their living room couches and cheered!
Obama/Biden '08
Posted by: Republicans for Obama | Sep 9, 2008 6:45:36 PM
Answers to the following:
Oh the shamelessness!!--Yes it is shameless
"For the first time in my adult life I'm proud of America" wife--Palin's husband was a member of an organization that wants to break away from the U. S. for years. Let's compare that to one remark that meant she wasn't proud of the POLITICS of America.
"God D*** America" pastor--Again, sounds like Palin's husband's group.
Hypocrite who speaks one way to people in the middle America and then talk about them behind their back in San Francisco--Says she got rid of the Bridge to Nowhere but only after it became unpopular. Before that she was for it and even had a "Bridge to Nowhere" shirt.
Tony Rezko--No illegal acts done here. It has been investigated to the bones.
Bill Ayers.--Obama was eight years old. Ayers is now a professor.
Posted by: Becky | Sep 9, 2008 6:42:52 PM
Let us look carefully at the steps to communisum. 1)freedom. willfully give it away. How? By knowingly and willingly standing for the WRONG things.
2) We arrive at the door od Socialism. Paint it with any brush, when the white wash has run off due to the tears of pain, then you will see it was just rob the rich and give to the poor. I want some of those Ivy Leaguer's to start sharing some of their grades with me.
3) When we are at the mercy of the greatest Idiots and they instill Communisum!
Just three step backwars is all it takes
Posted by: Wellington | Sep 9, 2008 6:42:40 PM
"Shameless?" Could Mr. Change elaborate on his associates in Syria, the Church of lovey-dovey Respect, maybe even his deconstructed "entertainers" from the Coast rolling in money while preaching responsibility? Better, discuss Michelle's $350,000 job as an outreach director, maybe even all of his donors' uneco-friendly jets, yachts, villas, etc. Shameless, indeed. What's the function of a privileged outreach director anyway? Talk about hypocrisy. The only thing the liberals have mastered.
Posted by: Dan | Sep 9, 2008 6:35:24 PM
The only change you will get with McSames / PA(l)IN is the name on the door of the oval office.
Conservative christian women: are you dumb or what? You are supposed to preach peace (Christ-like) and yet you want a women who is a bikini wearing, gun-toting, kill em all mentality, woman who doesn't remind me of how a women should be--package check please! Bet there's a weiner-heimer hiding there.
Posted by: marlin g | Sep 9, 2008 6:30:52 PM
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