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Sen. Barack Obama will never admit he was wrong. He would rather admit that Bush and everyone else was wrong and not him. If the US would have listen to Biden and Obama in Iraq, the US would have had its second major loss (Vietnam and Iraq) in recent history.
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Wow...it seems every post I read on here is extremely idiotic. Heres the difference between Iraq and Vietnam- about 55,000 lives. Vietnam was only a major loss because of the loss of life. Don't even get me started in the bull between communism and capitalism...fighting over economic ideals?

Iraq is not a major loss...it shouldnt even be considered a win or a loss because its just as bullcrappy as Vietnam in terms of why we are fighting it.
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Back on topic though, as far as I'm concerned, from what I read in this article, If McCain-Palin get into office, I have a feeling they will restrict the freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Seems to me they are afraid of the media. I also hope when Charlie Gibson does interview Palin, he confronts her on this very issue because it seems to me she is afraid of the media.

Sen. Barack Obama will never admit he was wrong. He would rather admit that Bush and everyone else was wrong and not him. If the US would have listen to Biden and Obama in Iraq, the US would have had its second major loss (Vietnam and Iraq) in recent history.

And the "surge" only appears to be working because we are giving money and arms to the Sunnis, who until recently were placing IEDS and shooting at U.S. soldiers. Arming your enemies and paying them a salary never works unless you plan on doing those for 100+ years like McCain wants to. Once we stop giving the Sunnis money, they will go right back to being insurgents against us, the Shias and anyone else. Wake up people, the Iraq fair is a colossal blunder that had no military relevancy and has only fanned the flames of the already existing civil war. We should never have been involved.

With all the talk about the "Success" of the surge, we seem to have forgotten that McCain's original vote in support of a war that by all accounts was a disaster and engaged in for wrong and misguided reasons resulted in the death of over 4 thousand Americans and countless Iraqis. If the Bush administration had not misled the country into a war that McCain, and not Obama, supported, thousands of families would still be in tact. Why aren't we talking about this ?

Just some general comments. Of course Obama has been vetted, every moment of his life has been looked at. To think otherwise is just plain silly,,,sorry but it is.
As for his judgement, when the pressure was the most, he voted against the war....he did not cave in.....O' course he was right, even the republican know this now.
As for being the next president. We all have a duty, as Americans to get the facts, the facts now on the two running for office. We live in an age that we can vet both men and make an intelligent decision.
I for one feel that Obama is a man of great vision, can rally America, and move us back to where were 8 years ago, when the world looked up to us. He already proved he has no problem meeting with world leaders and they were impressed with him.
He is a man of great faith but he doesn't let it rule him (with Palin I don't think we can say the same).
McCain is a man that has always had the best interest of America in his thoughts and should be commended for that. But right now, this time he is not the right person.
We need be change. Not someone that is always one step behind Obama.
But that is just my opinion. I trust you all will do your American duty and your homework, and vote for who you feel will take this country forward, who will protect us, who will be a true leader and make the hard choices.

Yes the surge worked. It worked because the Iraqi people were tired of being killed by terrorists. Sorry to disappoint a lot of you folks but most of the Iraqi's killed have been killed by the terrorists or sectarian violence not by US action. No, the Iraqis are siding with US forces to weed out the terrorists. To quote one Iraqi official, "there are no more safe houses that are safe for them." The surge has provided the security umbrella needed for the Iraqis to come forth with information.

Now the Iraqi politicians have to do their job. Much has already been done but much more needs to be done. It does look as though they are going to get the job done though. At least they are headed in the right direction. It would be a shame to pull out now and turn the country and all of its oil over to Iran. Iran is rapidly running out of oil so in about 10 years they won't have the money to keep their nuclear program going. They want and need Iraqi oil.

Firstly, focusing on how 'successful' the surge has been ignores a few incovenient facts: there never should have been an invasion of Iraq, and it's been a total disaster strategically and eocnomically. Secondly, Bush and McCain have been WRONG about everything: WMDs, links between Iraq and 9-11, that we'd be greeted with flowers, the war would pay more itself, mission accomplished, the insurgents were nothin but a few dead-enders, the war would be over in weeks, the Iraqis would take to democracy like a duck to water, that the war could be fought on the cheap with less than 100,000 troops. Just because Bush gets lucky on the surge doesn't absolve him from the complete failure of the prosecution of the war, and misleading us into it. If you want to talk judgement, I'll compare Obama's to Bush/McCain's anyday and it's clear who comes out on top - Obama.

Peaches, you know, I would love BHO to win just for you to see what a miserable failure he would be. But alas, have to put Country 1st, so go McCain / Palin!

Besides who would the far-lefties blame and hate for the next 8 years? You guys need this hatred to keep you going....think about it!

Obama's answer to the question was "uh uh uh uh humuna humuna humuna humuna BS BS BS BS"

Obama's answer that "it succeeded beyond our wildest dreams..." referred to his dreams only. It was not surprising to McCain that the surge succeeded, since McCain actually knows something about war.

Cooday is right "America has the attention span of a 30 second commercial"

Over 2,000,000 Iraq people have left their country in fear. Over 250,000 of them killed.

Over 4,155 Americans killed and over 30,324 Americans wounded.

American has the attention span of a 30 second commercial.

We all remember the neo-conservatives beating the drum's of war.

We all have family that have served 3 tours or more. Now we have family getting ready
to leave for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Now the Media proudly points to the Surge as a Victory less then 8 weeks before the election.

Lets see if we can trip up Obama and the majority of America people on this? The headlines on these type of interviews last what 48 hours? While families seeing their loved ones or waiting for family to return lasts months and few tours then its years years. Is this Victory?

Voters can have their own victory November Fourth by voting for Change we can believe in

Obama/Biden '08

Iraq, Saturday 6 September 2008: 29 dead

Baghdad: car bomb kills Sahwa member, Saidiya; 2 bodies found.

Tal Afar: suicide bomber blows up car, kills 6.
Mosul: policeman dies when bomb stuck on his car explodes.

Bani Zaid: roadside bomb kills 2.
Baquba: roadside bomb kills 1.
South of Baquba: roadside bomb kills 3 family members.

Iskandariya: gunmen kill 1.
Mahnawiya: 1 body found.

Falluja: gunmen kill 2 policeman at checkpoint.
Saqlawiya: 9 bodies found.

Go tell the families of the 4,155 Americans who were killed in Iraq about the greatness of the surge.

Or the tens of thousands of Americans who were wounded there in combat.

Or the families of the more than 1 million Iraqi casualties as a result of the American attack, invasion and occupation.

"I'll vote for McCain/Palin" (Katie)

I will not vote for McCain/Palin.

I voted for Hillary. Now I'll vote for McCain/Palin

The surge...Spare me the stupidity. So because there is a decrease in violence because of the so-called surge we should now claim the effort is a success? How utterly stupid and pathetic is that? Clearly the definition of success for Republicans is far LOWER than that of Democrats. The Iraqi conflict will never be considered a success until our true are home and the Iraqi government stands on its own two feet. Everything else is semantics and NONSENSE. The surge worked? Gimme a break..(lol)

lolol Paint a huge "L" on Obama's forehead, LOSER!! LOLOLOL

Obama doesn't have a "surge problem". He has said similar things many times in the past. His point is that the talk of the surge completely misses the point (and I blame the media for eating up McCain's talking points). In reality the surge was only a minor cause in the reduction of violence. The MAJOR causes was the "success" of ethnic cleansing in Iraq, the Anbar awakening, and al-Sadr's unilateral cease fire. These weren't the surge. And Obama is right, there still hasn't been the sort of long term political reconciliation, in fact we have set into motion events that will almost certainly blow up in violence later--arming Sunni militias, and ignoring the 4.5 million Iraqi refugees.

But if we want to talk about JUDGMENT, why does the media play McCain's game by making it all about the surge, why do we never talk about the REAL test of judgment which was whether or not to invade in the first place?? THAT was the real test, and McCain and Bush were dead WRONG, and they still haven't figured it out. Let's talk judgment, but let's cut the crap.

Obama is such a respectable human being, let alone candidate for president---especially when compared to those on the right. He fearlessly faces evangelicals who opposes him on the controversial topic of abortion, he graciously deems Bristol Palin as "off limits", he admits his answer to Rick Warren on abortion was a bit "flippant", and he concedes that the surge worked. There is no way on planet earth the Repblicans would concede anything--EVER. Obama bravely faced the evangelicals, but lately we can't get Palin to face anybody. She painted herself as a big, bad, tough pit bull, so why is she in hiding? Why isn't she taking quiestions from the Sunday morning talking heads? She's afraid, that's why. It was easy to get up and read a speech written by the Bush crew, but it's a whole other game to go out and defend her views, beliefs, and record with hard-hitting commentators and reporters. Anybody can throw a punch and run. Come out of hiding Sarah, we're waiting for you!

The Iraqis haven't taken responsibility. That's all that matters.