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Obama's Surge Problem
September 07, 2008 9:51 AM
One particular part of Bill O'Reilly's interview with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has been getting a great deal of attention: Obama's new language that the surge of US troops in Iraq "succeed(ed) beyond our wildest dreams."
Here's the full exchange: LINK O’REILLY: I think you were desperately wrong on the surge, and I think you should admit it to the nation that now we have defeated the terrorists in Iraq, and the Al Qaeda came there after we invaded, as you know. We defeated them.
OBAMA: Right.
O’REILLY: If we didn't, they would have used it as a staging ground. We've also inhibited Iran from controlling the southern part of Iraq by the surge, which you did not support. So why won’t you say, "I was right in the beginning. I was wrong about that"?
OBAMA: If you listen to what I've said, and I'll repeat it right here on this show, I think that there’s no doubt that the violence is down. I believe that that is a testimony to the troops that were sent and General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker. I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated, by the way, including President Bush and the other supporters. It has gone very well, partly because of the Anbar situation and the Sunni awakening, partly because of the Shia military. Look…
O’REILLY: But if it were up to you, there wouldn’t have been a surge.
OBAMA: Look…
O’REILLY: No, no, no, no.
OBAMA: No, no, no…
O’REILLY: If it were up to you, there wouldn’t have been a surge.
OBAMA: No, no, no.
O’REILLY: You and Joe Biden, no surge.
OBAMA: Hold on a second, Bill. If you look at the debate that was taking place, we had gone through five years of mismanagement of this war that I thought was disastrous. And the president wanted to double down and continue on an open-ended policy that did not create the kinds of pressure on the Iraqis to take responsibility and reconcile.
O’REILLY: But it worked. It worked. Come on.
OBAMA: Bill, what I've said is - I've already said it succeed beyond our wildest dreams.
O’REILLY: Why can't you say, "I was right in the beginning, and I was wrong about the surge"?
OBAMA: Because there's an underlying problem where what have we done. We have reduced the violence.
O’REILLY: Yes.
OBAMA: But the Iraqis still haven't taken responsibility, and we still don’t have the kind of political reconciliation. We are still spending, Bill, $10 to $12 billion a month.
In Cedarburg, Wisc., on Friday, as ABC News' Imtiyaz Delawala and Bret Hovell reported, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin took on Obama's response.
"Just last night, Sen. Obama finally broke, and brought himself to admit what all the rest of us have known for quite some time, and that’s, thanks to the skill and valor of our troops, the surge in Iraq has succeeded," Palin said. "I guess when you turn out to be profoundly wrong on a vital national security issue, maybe it's comforting to pretend that everyone was wrong, too. But I remember it a little differently. It seems to me there was one leader in Washington who did predict success, who refused to call retreat, and risked his own career for the sake of the surge and victory in Iraq, and ladies and gentlemen, that man is standing right next to me -- Sen. John McCain."
The new Obama language and new McCain attack come as a new Democratic poll from Stan Greenberg et al indicates that the traditional advantage Republicans have with voters on national security issues has return.
Forty nine percent of those surveyed think Republicans were better on national security compared to 35% for Democrats. And 53% of those polled believe the surge has produced real positive results, 39% say it has failed.
- jpt
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Gen. David Petraeus advised George W. Bush last week to stop withdrawing troops from Iraq because the situation is so fragile. There were suicide bombings in Baghdad and Iraq last week and there are ominous political signs on the horizon that indicate Iraq will eventually destruct. So, I don't think the surge was a success by any measure, except for the small part it played in temporarily bringing down violence. Before the election, we may very well see war with the insurgency or civil war breakout in Iraq. Then, the G.O.P. spin meisters will have another problem on their hands. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: caliguy55 | Sep 7, 2008 3:12:34 PM
Obama says anything to get himself elected. The problem is most Americans don't see it and the media don't care about it.
Posted by: Canadien | Sep 7, 2008 3:06:29 PM
O'Reilly complimented Obama on his position of not invading Iraq. A couple months ago, George Stephanopoulos asked McCain if knowing what we know about Iraq would he still have invaded Iraq. McCain said yes.
Why isn't McCain getting media coverage for saying he still thinks the invasion of Iraq was the correct thing to do? McCain started doing the rounds with the media and comedy shows the day after 9/11. McCain was also pushing war with Iran.
O'Reilly was a bully as usual, interrupting nonstop with his preconceived version of the truth. There are many articles proving the other actions helped make the surge successful. Obama has explained it many times, but the media does not listen
How can anyone believe Palin is being picked on by the media when they will not even do their job at researching all facts in regard to Obama.
The media would rather talk about flag pins and whether someone is arrogant.
Posted by: Julie | Sep 7, 2008 1:55:11 PM
NOT OBAMA's SURGE PROBLEM...latest news.
Bob Woodward's book cites inside sources as saying other factor contiriuted 85% or more to reduction of troop violence. McCain wants to keep a complex problem simple...and it is not. And it is not about the "SURGE".
Sorry for copying your post BG, but I read this too and I'm glad that someone is putting it out there. Not that republicans care to read anything that doesn't support their position, but maybe there are a few open minded independents left on these boards.
Posted by: lying liars | Sep 7, 2008 1:29:26 PM
maggie
Actually Obama is saying precisely what General Petraeus is saying;
"You will not find any military leader who will say this ... all we can say is Al Qaeda is still dangerous...There are many missions that have not been achieved ... Any person who replaces me and who is honest with himself must admit these facts," Petraeus said.
"What works in Mosul today, may not work in Tikrit today. In fact, it may not work in Mosul tomorrow".
That is far from saying the surge is a success.
Posted by: Lou | Sep 7, 2008 1:23:32 PM
NOT OBAMA's SURGE PROBLEM...latest news.
Bob Woodward's book cites inside sources as saying other factor contiriuted 85% or more to reduction of troop violence. McCain wants to keep a complex problem simple...and it is not. And it is not about the "SURGE".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/warwithin.html?hpid=topnews
Posted by: bg | Sep 7, 2008 1:16:05 PM
If it were the Iraqi troops surge and if this surge were paid for by the Iraqi government then it would be a strategic success. So Obama is RIGHT -- while violence against American troops is successfully curtailed by the American troops surge, the Iraqi government remains impotent. So the bottom line is, the Iraqi national security problem again remains costly unresolved. I say, the American administration should stop babysitting the Iraqi government.
Posted by: Ludmila | Sep 7, 2008 1:15:45 PM
That's nothing -- Obama is for it WHILE he is against it. LOL
Posted by: maggie | Sep 7, 2008 12:51:45 PM
How well did the media vet Barack H Obama? Did they do the spade work digging into every aspect of OHB's life from birth until today? Did they investigate the political views of his mother and father and his white grandparent's who raised him (says something about his own mother and father's parenting skills)? Did they vet his school days in Indonesia, Hawaii and his time at Columbia with teams of on the spot investigators? What was his GPA at Columbia? Did they investigate fully his confession of being a druggie and when he stopped using drugs? The sound of silence is deafening.
All the concern voiced about Governor Sarah Palin's lack of experience is surely intended to mask Senator Barak H. Obama's executive experience which is a blank page unless his time as Chairman of the Chicago based Annenberg Project run actually by former Weather Underground leader and unrepentant terrorist bomber Bill Ayers is included. Together Obama/Ayers are reported to have invested $100,000,000 in the Annenberg Project. What did they accomplsh? To date this period of his work experience has been written in invisible ink. And the BHO campaign is going to extreme efforts to insure that the records of this phase of his executive experience are buried and remain invisible.
What else is buried about BHO's past, besides Ayers,Wright, Rezco? Could it be the identity of "Frank' his mentor for a period of time in Hawaii?
The secrecy surrounding BHO's past belies his attempt tp portray himself as a 'new' and 'different' politician. And his speech filled with a litany of 'to dos' is the same old same old liberal/socialist agenda tax, tax, spend, spend on more and more government programs so the American people become dependent on the government for everything, the new USSA , United Socialist States of America.
Posted by: Patrick49 | Sep 7, 2008 12:46:17 PM
The better voters get to know Obama, his background and his political know how, the more we know he is not fit to be president. Voters would not want his definition of change unless they are looking for a socialist handout. It's was not the intent of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. He is more supportive of irresponsible than self reliant people. He does not tell the truth.
McCain/Palen in November.
Posted by: Mary | Sep 7, 2008 12:32:59 PM
Patrick49
McCain was for drilling for oil before he was against it and McCain was for immigration reform before he was against it.
Posted by: Lou | Sep 7, 2008 12:22:39 PM
Obama is correct in what he is saying about the surge, unless, of course General Petraeus is wrong and Sarah Palin is correct.
Posted by: Lou | Sep 7, 2008 12:20:58 PM
Please educate yourself about the
Obama--ACORN connection.
Something else the MSM ignores.
Posted by: riley | Sep 7, 2008 12:19:50 PM
On July 28th of this year, General Petraeus said about the surge:
"What works in Mosul today, may not work in Tikrit today. In fact, it may not work in Mosul tomorrow".
That is far from saying the surge is a success.
Unless, of course, Sarah Palin knows more than Petraeus does, that is.
Posted by: Lou | Sep 7, 2008 12:08:56 PM
I just can't see Obama as president up against a powerful leader like Putin.
Obama looks weak, unsure, and easily led even against O'Reilly.
He stutters, stammers, changes the subject and eventually is talked into going against his original stance.
Even on the stump he acts immature, silly, not very presidential.
God help us all...
Posted by: riley | Sep 7, 2008 12:07:33 PM
The democrats have a lock on the Olympic year flip-flop competition. Kerry was the 2004 flip-flop gold medal winner and Obama apparently has a lock on the 2008 competition with"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,..." followed by his squirrelly effort to make it appear that the President didn't have faith in the surge and that other factors were responsible for the surge's success illustrate his meager grasp of military matters and a complete lack of reasoned judgment. A dangerous combination in a Commander-in-Chief.
Posted by: Patrick49 | Sep 7, 2008 12:02:29 PM
Strange thing about Biden.
1. He twice slips and says he is running for President of the US.
2. He says if he had more hair he wouldn't be screwing around with the VP slot.
3. He goes on and on praising McCain with personal memoirs.
Who is Biden for anyway?????
Obama really blew it with this pick.
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Yes, I noticed that too especially the one where he said he was running for president. Obama should have picked Hillary. It is very clear now. Biden conducted that interview as though Obama did not exist. Apparently Obama did not want to be out done by Hillary. The problem is with Obama's lack of experience anyone would be stronger as a VP than he would be as a president.
Obama never should have been the DNC nominee. I am a Hillary supporter who is voting for McCain.
Posted by: Samantha | Sep 7, 2008 12:01:30 PM
The Iraq War is bull!! We should have never been there. Folks it is all about OIL. SURGE??? Did it work?? Why did it work?? That verdict is still out. Iraq has surplus in their pockets, but still taking money from America who has worst debt in entire US history. Republicans don't want you to talk about facts why America even went. Why America's debt is largest ever!!! Republicans won't tell you about all the US questionable and secretive oil contracts. Pull out of troops is now questionable as Iraq and US government are playing more games.
I am shocked.
Posted by: Sharonklim | Sep 7, 2008 12:01:13 PM
Obama looked like a kid in the principle's office on O'Reilly. Even his uh, uh, ums were what one would expect of a kid caught off guard by an authority figure. He's toast, plain and simple. He suffers from great overexposure and now he is finally receiving some of the scrutiny that is long overdue and he doesn't look good under a microscope. Couple that with an abysmal choice for VP who no one is even paying attention to anymore. Poor Joe couldn't even get himself arrested these days. The McCain team has knocked Obama totally off his game if he even had one to begin with. Ever since the "celebrity" ads came out, he has been off kilter and Palin has now pushed him over the edge. The American public is seeing that not only does the would be emporer have no clothes, they are seeing that his dangerous Marxist ideology would destroy this country as we know it. Stick a fork in him, Uh-bama is done.
Posted by: Joanne600 | Sep 7, 2008 11:50:40 AM
Strange thing about Biden.
1. He twice slips and says he is running for President of the US.
2. He says if he had more hair he wouldn't be screwing around with the VP slot.
3. He goes on and on praising McCain with personal memoirs.
Who is Biden for anyway?????
Obama really blew it with this pick.
Posted by: ja | Sep 7, 2008 11:48:27 AM
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