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Oh, That Joe! (No. 14 in a Series) - Biden Says Obama Won't Take His Beretta
September 20, 2008 4:28 PM
Sen. Barack Obama better not mess with his running mate Joe Biden's guns...or else.
In an out-of-nowhere attempt to re-assure a southwestern Virginia labor crowd about gun owners' rights, Biden -- who regularly scores "F" ratings from the National Rifle Association -- warned Obama that if "he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem."
"I guarantee you Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns, so don't buy that malarkey," Biden said Saturday at the United Mine Workers of America's annual fish fry in Castlewood, Virginia. "Don't buy that malarkey. They're going to start peddling that to you."
Biden told the crowd that he himself is a gun owner. "I got two," Biden said, "if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem. I like that little over and under, you know? I'm not bad with it. So give me a break. Give me a break."
-- Jake Tapper and Matt Jaffe
September 20, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (248)
Biden tells a lie every time his mouth opens.
He owns no guns, he is my senator, and he works for two constiuetcies:
Trial Lawyers, Big money Banks.
Not you or I.
He told Katie Couric on live TV:
"When the stock market crashed Roosevelt went on TV and reassured the nation..."
One problem in 1929:
Hoover was persident.
TV didn't exist other than as a lab experiment.
IS Joe that Dumb or did he just make obvious nonsense up because he thinks his audience is that dumb??
Posted by: Joe Mah Mah | Oct 6, 2008 4:59:53 PM
Uh, hey Julie...glad you are there and I'm here. You can keep your little "utopia" and 'subject' mindset.
This is still America for the time being where freemen have weapons. I pray it stays that way. I do intend to vote that way as well.
Posted by: Larry | Oct 1, 2008 8:13:08 AM
It doesn't matter what they say!
Look at their voting record.
Obama and Biden are anti-gun extremists.
Anybody that believes differently is just not paying attention or is just plain stupid.
Biden could easily go to Chicago the next day and promise to ban everything all the way down to slingshots.
He will say anything to please the audience he has that particular day.
Posted by: smg45acp | Sep 25, 2008 11:00:06 AM
I am glad that I can protect my children, if I ever have to, with my gun. I hope I NEVER have to use it. But I want to be able to, because the bad guys will always find a way to get guns, even if they are banned.
Posted by: Julie | Sep 23, 2008 1:55:24 PM
It seems like most Americans care about one thing only: guns. Thank God I live overseas in one of those "less free" places in Asia, where handguns are banned, the murder rate is statistically zero, and men, women and children can walk the streets safe any time of day or night. All thanks to a total handgun ban.
I hope and pray that the Democrats finally do ram through some sort of gun control in the USA, at least starting the ball rolling toward sanity and peace.
Posted by: D Nicol | Sep 23, 2008 7:07:29 AM
Obama's history on the subject pretty well dooms him for the shooter/hunter vote.
Last year I worked and lived in China, this year it's Japan and next year I'll be in Thailand. The freedoms we still have left in the U.S. need to be protected (and expanded to more original levels. I'm having trouble coping with the lack of individual freedom here in Asia.
Having said that, I was in the U.S. for some meetings in July and made sure to stop and pick up another handgun. I'm headed back in October and will add an AR15 to one of the safes in my gun room.
It's great when my 4 sons, 1 son-in-law and 7 grandsons hit the range. It might be even more fun when my wife, daughter, 3 daughters-in-law and two grand daughters go, but the best is when we are all there together, sharing hints on shooting and concealed carry.
Internationally, it seems that Obama is much more popular but when you talk to people here it's because he's more like the Socialist/Communist people they are used to being their rulers and many of them would ultimately like to see the U.S. weaker
Posted by: Straight Shooter | Sep 23, 2008 3:47:57 AM
Joe is right...hillary would have been better. This man is a moron.
Posted by: 7.62 | Sep 22, 2008 5:18:19 PM
According to MP - Ohio, "Obama says 'we can find middle ground on guns'. His idea of middle ground on guns is "no guns".
On what are you basing this "no guns" assumption? Perhapsyou are basing it on Obama's 12-year stint as an ivy league professor lecturing on Constitutional law.
And Palin?!! Come on... She can shoot a moose and see Russia from her state so she has military and foreign policy experience? That's a pretty far reach!
Posted by: G | Sep 22, 2008 3:47:33 PM
How bitter can you get?! Biden's clinging to his gun...
Posted by: JAY | Sep 22, 2008 3:32:25 PM
Biden talks about wanting to keep his little barreta (shot gun). Big Deal! what about his barreta handgun (if he's got one) for home protection. It's not sporting arms i'm worried about. It's the home protection models that they want to take away...so the only one left having any real protection will be the criminal that knocks down your door. What about home protection arms, mr. president and v.p. hopefuls? Go ahead and reaasure us that you'll make NO moves on the legality of keeping arms for home protection...the real reason we were guaranteed the proteciton encompassed by the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: ncarrizo | Sep 22, 2008 1:45:10 PM
As a Jewess in the US, I would like to remind everyone that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk. And that America wasn't won with a registered gun! That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!!
Posted by: Wendy Weinbaum | Sep 22, 2008 1:35:04 PM
Another example of Joe Biden Pandering to the voters of America. He, like Mitt Romney probably only went hunting once in his life when he was a kid and now calls himself a gun lover.
Posted by: Registered Republican | Sep 22, 2008 9:47:15 AM
ASK URSELF Y DO I HATE OBAMA SO MUCH IS IT HIS POLICIES THAT THE REPUBLICANS R ACTING(FOREIGN) ON...U KNOW HE HAS A REASON 4 HOLDING TO HE'S SOLUTION ON THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS B4 THE GOP STEAL IT AGAIN...RO U JUST JUST HATE HIM 4....IF U ANSWER THAT QUESTION HONESTLY,U WILL Y U HAVE TO BE PART OF THE GREATER AMERICA
Posted by: 4real | Sep 22, 2008 9:21:54 AM
You know, I watched some of his town hall rallies and I get the same impression. The more he talks the more he sounds kind of paranoid or fanatical.
"Biden is downright strange. He veers from one extreme to the next and seems to get extremely agitated with very little provocation. I used to like this guy, but lately he kinda gives me the creeps. What's up?"
Posted by: MP | Sep 22, 2008 9:05:25 AM
Looks like we have friction now between Obama and Biden. Bid isn't to fond of Obamas policies now either. Obama says "we can find middle ground on guns". His idea of middle ground on guns is "no guns". It's the same with the Dem lead congress on finding middle ground. It's more like "do it our way or no way". They don't reach across the isle to anyone. That's why you don't see Pelosi and her bunch doing anything. Obama is the far left side and will create nothing but grid lock. Who else is going to turn on him. The Blacks have, the Jewish groups have, the Hillary party bailed out on him.
Posted by: MP-Ohio | Sep 22, 2008 8:56:17 AM
jack burton-- Actually, McCain voted along party lines only 88% of the time, but many have rounded that up to 90%. Rounding it up even further to imply he voted along party lines more than 95% of the time is just misleading. However, even that figure would have been less than Obama voting along party lines 97% of the time.
You meant this as a criticism of McCain, yet failed to apply it to Obama. It's time to take an honest look at your candidate and see him for what he really is.
What is Obama? A twelve-year Constitutional law professor who believed the D.C. ban was constitutional and refused to sign the amicus brief requesting it be overturned. SCOTUS declared it to be unconstitutional and overturned it, only to have Obama say he has ALWAYS believed the Second Amendment to be an individual right. He was wrong, yet refused to admit it.
A man with only 143 working days under his belt as a Senator. You can't work at McDonald's and become district manager after 143 days, much less President of the company. As VP this argument would not be as strong, but he is not ready for the Presidency.
Time for an honest look people. Neither candidate is perfect, but the McCain/Palin ticket is the best choice on a number of different levels.
Posted by: sirmatthew | Sep 22, 2008 8:33:45 AM
Joe Biden the Patriot. Joe says, "It's Patriotic to pay taxes.", Joe says "He's not gonna take away his guns". Funny how Joe Biden the Patriot and Gun Lover, got FIVE (5) DEFERMENTS FROM BEING DRAFTED DURING THE VIETNAM WAR. After the FIVE (5) deferments, he got a Medical exemption because of "Teenage Asthma", even though he played football in school and worked as a lifeguard. And he's not patriotic enough to be charitable either. Less then 1,000 bucks in ten years. TAX AND SPEND will be their game. We will ALL GET TAXED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF TAX AND SPEND LIBERALS.
Posted by: Will | Sep 22, 2008 7:56:42 AM
Less guns = totalatarian state? Anyone been to Europe lately?
Posted by: Jason | Sep 22, 2008 6:08:15 AM
Obama says he is not responsible for what other people say. He also is not responsible for what he says himself as he changes his mind like on FISA. He took away your right to a private phone call.
Posted by: Democrat No More | Sep 22, 2008 6:02:38 AM
Should, heaven forbid, Obama-Biden somehow pull it off Nov 4, there will be a huge run on guns in this country starting Wed Nov 5. It will be a fantastic time to own a gunshot, and a fantastic time for little else in this once great nation. The effect of their gun control policies is for only the bad guys to have guns. They absolutely refuse to admit how many problems have been avoided by the mere brandishing of a gun, or the sound of a shotgun being readied for use. In their view of things, if trouble happens, as in Washington D.C., you will be asked to cower in your home with your trusty phone on 911 speed-dial. Good luck with that!
Posted by: JimF | Sep 22, 2008 1:48:53 AM
Biden is downright strange. He veers from one extreme to the next and seems to get extremely agitated with very little provocation. I used to like this guy, but lately he kinda gives me the creeps. What's up?
Posted by: NJH | Sep 21, 2008 11:28:42 PM
Obama can say he is for guns, but he has already stated that his Supreme Courts picks will be so liberal that it will not matter.
Posted by: James | Sep 21, 2008 11:27:54 PM
Don't kid yourself. A president can't change the 2nd amendment. However, there are 2 maybe 3 seats that will be opening up on the Supreme court in the next 4 yrs and the president will be the one to appoint them. Of course, Obama will appoint liberal Supreme court justices who can interpret the Constitution the way they see it. That means, they can say our fore fathers meant the 2nd amendment to mean only the military can bear arms, and make the sale of fire arms illegal.Just a few days ago, on C-SPAN the liberals in Congress were once again trying to place enough regulations on fire arms to cause another gun ban. As if they didn't have enough to do, what with the failing economy, because of Democratic regulations put in place during the Clinton adm, and the Congress now ignoring the problem until it was too late, the energy crisis, etc, they are still talking about banning guns. No wonder the Democrat majority Congress has the worst approval rating in history!
Posted by: S Adams | Sep 21, 2008 9:34:41 PM
After Obama bans everyones guns, he can move to the next stage in his path to Utopia. Michelle's universal mandatory volunteer (sic) public works program. Unconstitutional ?, not after he packs the Supreme Court with his cronies.
Posted by: Johhny-X | Sep 21, 2008 9:07:37 PM
Guess what? The president cannot decide to take your guns away! I'm a liberal and a gun owner -- I'm not at all worried that my guns will be taken away by Obama. Get real people! Obama and Biden get my vote -- one has a law degree and is an expert in constitutional law, and the other has a great deal of experience in foreign policy. McCain and Palin are truly an embarassment to the American people!
Posted by: jmb | Sep 21, 2008 8:35:50 PM
Biden is a complete liar. He brags that his one big accomplishment was railroading through the Clinton assault weapon ban of 1994. Like Sen. Feinstein, he only wants to keep HIS gun. But he wants to take yours. DC elietism.
Posted by: Johhny-X | Sep 21, 2008 8:16:15 PM
Biden's pandering is completely insulting to the intelligence of gun owners.
Don't think they're buying it for one second. Combined with the disingenuous carrying on by Obama and Biden, with the 'pholksy' dialects they put on while patronizing everyone on this issue, this issue alone will likely lose them the election.
It is so transparently insincere, it is nauseating.
I confess that I don't understand the gun-banner's mindset at all. How can they, ostensibly intelligent, rational people, put their brains on hold, and actually believe that any criminal who would be willing to threaten or kill his fellow man, would give a damn about a law forbidding carry, possession of any kind of lethal weapon.
Second amendment rights notwithstanding, if we think that we would have a snowballs chance of getting weapons "off the streets" let us examine our success in preventing the flow of thousands of tons of illegal drugs, and preventing the crossing of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants.
Although Biden and Obama could never likely round up all the guns under their watch, they can and would do serious damage to this right, by relentless, incremental baby steps.
It would start with so-called semi automatic assault weapons, You know, the ones that are used in less than 1/10th of a percent of gun crime. (FBI uniform crime report). They are just ugly enough, and look menacing enough to be excellent target of a gun ban. Fact is, even an M16 fires a cartridge that isn't nearly as devastating as a typical hunting round like a .308 or 30.06. But the average person doesn't know this.
The majority opinion in Heller vs D.C. has re-affirmed Miller VS US, in the sense that the 2nd amendment specifically protects weapons that are suited for militia (read military) use, or weapons that are in common use at the time.
AK47s, M16/M4, Beretta 9 mm, etc are the most commonly used weapons of our time, and therefore, ought to be the most protected.
The compromise, in terms of "reasonable restrictions" is already in place: unless registered prior to 1986, civilian versions of these weapons are not fully automatic, requiring the trigger to be pulled once for each round fired.
There is very good reason to protect these weapons in particular. Part of the myriad of reasons our founders created the Second Amendment is so that the People would have an ultimate recourse against future tyranny. Candidates like Obama and Biden, with their cynical though thinly veiled attempts at duping the electorate, serve to highlight the wisdom of the founding fathers.
Sure, we won't have outright gun confiscation a broad scale . . . right away. But until we draw a permanent line in the sand, and specifically codify the limits of government infringement in our courts and legislatures, me may depend on a relentless chipping away of this fundamental right to keep and bear until one day we will look up, and the right will have ceased to exist.
Posted by: Christopher Hoffman | Sep 21, 2008 8:12:59 PM
If you plan to buy a gun better get it before Jan 20th
Obama/Biden's promises are not good.
Posted by: riley | Sep 21, 2008 6:46:56 PM
Remember Obama says one thing to Scranton, and something else to San Fran.
Obama's stump speech desn't match up to his extreme voting records.
Strict gun control
Abortions anytime, anywhere
Voted for taxes 94 times.
He's a Chicago thug that can't be trusted.
Posted by: harry | Sep 21, 2008 6:44:21 PM
Biden must be one of those terrible American "clinging to his guns and religion".
Posted by: Bob | Sep 21, 2008 6:34:05 PM
I think Obama and Biden still have a very good chance to win the west just keep the battle ground states and your be fine Obama swing back them states with a pow wow dance.
Posted by: Gene | Sep 21, 2008 5:45:34 PM
No ban on guns if you ask me only for tm who are corrupted need not one in there hands at all, go take them all on please get them out our neighborhoods.
Posted by: gg | Sep 21, 2008 5:06:27 PM
No ban on guns if you ask me only for tm who are corrupted need not one in there hands at all, go take them all on please get them out our neighborhoods.
Posted by: gg | Sep 21, 2008 5:06:20 PM
Joe Biden saying about Obama: "if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he's got a problem."
Joe likes his gun. He threatens anyone that wants to take it from him
Ahh...but remember in the July 2007 debate what Joe Biden said about the gun owning questioner that "he needed help" and was "not mentally qualified to own that gun"?
And then brags about legislation to ban guns.
Posted by: Zank | Sep 21, 2008 4:28:52 PM
Talking about pandering...geez
Posted by: Mark | Sep 21, 2008 2:44:27 PM
Joe Biden pushed for an "assault weapon" ban long before Clinton was even elected. He's in favor of lawsuits intended to bankrupt gun manufacturers. He voted to confirm the judges who would've overturned the 2nd amendment in Heller and voted against confirming all but 1 judge who voted to support the RKBA.
Biden has no credibility on the issue of taking guns away. He's spent decades in DC trying to do just that, and anyone who falls for this "malarky" shouldn't be too surprised when their guns are next.
Posted by: h0mi | Sep 21, 2008 2:26:25 PM
I don't think the gun control issue is very high on the issues list. Lots of other more important issues for the next in line. Obama keeps saying he is concerned with staying within the constitutional rights of Americans. So doesn't that mean guns stay in the hands of hunters?
Posted by: AnnD52 | Sep 21, 2008 2:16:34 PM
MCCAIN PUT LIPSTICK ON THAT PIG
AND TOOK IT OFF THE NEXT DAY
MCCAIN SAID THE ECONOMY IS STRONG AND SOUND, WE ARE NOT TO WEARY
MORTGAGE CRISES, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY OUT OF THEIR HOMES
HEALTH CARE ALREADY LOST, BECAUSE OF JOBS
JOBS ARE ALREADY LOST, NO MONEY
MCCAIN ALREADY VOTED 95% OF THE TIME WITH BUSH
MCCAIN SAYS DON'T WEARY BE HAPPY
RETIREMENT MONEY LOST BECAUSE OF BAD DEALING
MCCAIN CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE TO WEARY, CRIMINAL CINDY IS RICH, THEY HAVE 10 HOUSES, SOME DONE HAVE ONE
TROOPS, ARE ALREADY HUNGRY, HOMELESS AND WITHOUT BENEFIT
BECAUSE MCCAIN OPPOSED GI BILL
Posted by: wanda | Sep 21, 2008 2:15:03 PM
"Please enlighten me as to what is it about Obama you just cannot stand."
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His lifetime committment to double-dealing and jive in the furtherance of the creation of his unadorable self as a faux-"charismatic" phenomenon, I reckon.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 12:20:42 PM
No, but you were instead making remarks like "Wonder what kind of guns he brings eh?" And yes I can keep up, thank you.
I think "It's either Country first or Obama first" McCain is worse, when he said before that he would "never stoop to questioning his opponent's patriotism".
Please enlighten me as to what is it about Obama you just cannot stand.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 12:08:27 PM
It was your sleazy demagogue Obama who made the "I'm the guy who brings a gun to the knife fight" remark.
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And it was poster "Brad" who wrote
"Knives are used almost five times more often than rifles. So shouldn't knives be higher priority for Obama to ban?"
Keep up, can'tcha? :^|
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 12:05:21 PM
"You seem so determined to dislike Obama you are arguing on things that are not even logical."
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It was your sleazy demagogue Obama who made the "I'm the guy who brings a gun to the knife fight" remark.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 11:59:23 AM
"[Biden] may not own a Beretta shotgun."
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Maybe it's the same one Kerry used in the memorable goose hunt? Memory fails on Kerry's choice of manly props.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 11:47:27 AM
"Knives are used almost five times more often than rifles. So shouldn't knives be higher priority for Obama to ban?"
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Well, Obama DID say he's "the guy who brings a gun to the knife fight". Wonder what kind of gun he BRINGS -- one of those concealable machine pistols, one supposes.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 11:33:25 AM
The last comment by Harry is pure, fabricated b.s. and is indicative of the Republicans willingness to SAY anything and DO anything to stay in power. Someday THEY will decide to take your guns away because THEY have no respect for the constitution. Sadly, the GOP faithful won't learn this until it's too late.
Posted by: Mike | Sep 21, 2008 11:31:46 AM
The last comment by Harry is pure, fabricated b.s. and is indicative of the Republicans willingness to SAY anything and DO anything to stay in power. Someday THEY will decide to take your guns away because THEY have no respect for the constitution. Sadly, the GOP faithful won't learn this until it's too late.
Posted by: Mike | Sep 21, 2008 11:31:43 AM
Chattyway...you should look up your history. The Boston Tea Part was a farce. The villans dressed up like Indians to shift the blame and not take responsibility for what they did...Tallyho!
Posted by: workinghr | Sep 21, 2008 11:31:15 AM
Chattyway...you should look up your history. The Boston Tea Part was a farce. The villans dressed up like Indians to shift the blame and not take responsibility for what they did...Tallyho!
Posted by: workinghr | Sep 21, 2008 11:31:12 AM
Biden says things on the stump
because he thinks they sound good.
He may not own a Beretta shotgun.
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 11:17:55 AM
Hmm...
I just saw a comment I posted vanish after a few minutes. I wonder why that happened. Or if it will happen again.
Well I tried to post information (with a link) to the FBI murder statistics from 2001-2005. It shows that murder by rifle accounts for only 2.7% of murders. My original statement of 7% was grossly too high.
Knives are used almost five times more often than rifles. So shouldn't knives be higher priority for Obama to ban?
Posted by: Brad | Sep 21, 2008 11:13:27 AM
I REALLY DON'T THINK BIDEN IS PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK if you know what I mean......THE GUY IS COMPLETELY NUTS.
Posted by: chattyway | Sep 21, 2008 11:10:52 AM
Our founding fathers wanted us to have guns so we keep our politicians in line---my guess Obama/Biden/Rangel others are just scarred that eventually voters and taxpayers are going to decide they have had enough of their scams and bring their guns to hold the next Boston tea party.
Posted by: chattyway | Sep 21, 2008 11:09:02 AM
JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska may not have a "Bridge to Nowhere," but it now has a "Road to Nowhere." CNN News.
Google road to nowhere. It paints a bad picture of her.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:58:31 AM
Brad, the handgun ban was asked for by the police force, during DCs crime times. Most law enforcment officials will state clearly, how the want 'not a ban',but restrictions, in place to save police officers lives. I am not an expert on weapons, but living on several army bases has aloud me access to view and handel many types. Muzzel loader, sorry I miss-spelled it. Again no expert. Yes, I even loaded bullets backwards, in a .22 rifle when I was 12 years old. My first experience with guns. My sixteenth birday, my grand father gave me a single shot .22. It was an old hand me down, but a hunting accident, caused me to loose it. By law, I was not able to obtain a hunting license again, until I was 18.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:51:24 AM
Biden's Republican counterpart
Failin' Palin is the Governor
of Alaska.
So what does it prove?
The job has very low requirements.
Obama/Clinton '08
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 10:45:10 AM
Watch the Whole Clip. Slowly if you must ... Sorry if you didn't get it the first time.
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The "whole clip"? Are you seeing things?
Can you not read, or what? Biden basically calls Obama a sissy -- not that there's anything WRONG with that -- before the testosterone-rich UMW. Biden barely stops short, in the quoted passage, of rhapsodizing on "pry it from my cold dead hand".
"I guarantee you Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns, so don't buy that malarkey," Biden said Saturday at the United Mine Workers of America's annual fish fry in Castlewood, Virginia. "Don't buy that malarkey. They're going to start peddling that to you."
Meanwhile, THIS week the Chicago organization's teamed up with The Nation to attack McCain as a traitor who's soft on POWs, after Obama spent a lot of time with saccharine soldier-cult pandering about McCain's military service: whatEVER the media claims the polls say, the Democratic hijackers are coming off as desperate indeed.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 10:43:15 AM
the best way to make sure Obama doesn't ban uns is to vote McCain. right Joe Biden?
Posted by: geevill | Sep 21, 2008 10:40:52 AM
-and I still have co-workers, in our union, that are still members.-
Sorry, hit enter to quickly.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:38:24 AM
-I think it's remarkable how many of your opinions on gun policy seem to match so closely talking points from an anti-gun group such as the VPC or AHSA.-
I bet if I told you my name the NRA of Ohio still as a record of me. I left because some associates, not all, made me feel uneasy. I am not against the NRA. In fact they try to preserve, the sport, of gun competitions. I did recieve scary mail from them for months, wanting me to rejoin, Because'Your next door neighbor could be a terrorist,' speech. Some associates I felt were a little extreme, and I still of co-workers in our union, that are still members.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:37:08 AM
Failin' Palin may know guns.
But she can never hit the
target.
Obama/Clinton '08
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 10:33:37 AM
"410/22 rifle" for .410 shotgun
How about an over-under, double barrel. top barrel for .22, and under barrel for 410 birdshot. Also great for quail and dove hunting. Don't worry to much. I do...er...my wife says it is hers.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:29:43 AM
Fresh from football fantasy camp, the blustering Biden is now reduced to "clinging to guns" in public, possibly hoping to compete with Governor Palin, who really DOES know guns.
It's scary enough that this do-nothing ambition freak is supposedly in charge of Foreign Relations -- putting him in striking distance of the presidency would be a disaster.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Sep 21, 2008 10:28:23 AM
Demote Biden. PROMOTE HILLARY.
Obama/Clinton '08
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 10:27:45 AM
historyforgotten
You say...
"mussle loader" for muzzle loader
"410/22 rifle" for .410 shotgun
"filing down firing pin" for conversion of a rifle to a machinegun
...and that sounds to me like someone pretending to demonstrate knowledge about firearms, when they really don't know the subject.
I think it's remarkable how many of your opinions on gun policy seem to match so closely talking points from an anti-gun group such as the VPC or AHSA.
Oh and as for your fear of weapons which are easily converted to machineguns, the existing NFA of 1934 law already allow the ATF to prohibit such firearms. Which is why the original semi-auto version of the MAC-10 was removed from the marketplace back around 1982.
Obama's proposed ban on so-called "assault-weapons" has nothing to do with machineguns (or criminals). It is primarily a ban on rifles. And rifles of all types account for less than 7% of all the means used for murder in the U.S., and the phony "assault-weapon" subtype would only be a small fraction of that 7%. So in other words murders by "assault-weapon" probably number less than the number of deaths by lightning-strike. "Assault-weapons" are not a real problem except in the fevered imaginations of gun-prohibitionists.
An "assault-weapon" ban has always been and always will be a joke. And like the Washington D.C. ban on handguns just as vulnerable to challenge on second amendment grounds. (At least until Obama packs the courts)
Posted by: Brad | Sep 21, 2008 10:25:12 AM
Instead of firing guns,
Biden should fire himself
from the ticket and go back
to his regular senate job
where performance is not
a requirement to stay on
the payroll.
Obama/Clinton '08
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 10:22:17 AM
Belle Starr, He's right about The CHANGEling's "malarkey", though.
You do realize he refered to McCains changling malarkey? :)
Watch the Whole Clip. Slowly if you must. :)
It slams McCain for his malarkey flip-flopping. Biden knows Obama can not take your rifles and handguns away. Thats a Majority vote in the Senate. Thats why Biden is making fun of McCain. Sorry if you didn't get it the first time. :)
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:22:02 AM
Belle Starr,
Would you be talking about McCain? That maverick who said he would never question his opponent's patriotism has now done just that.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 10:15:27 AM
historyforgotten,
I don't know, to me Obama/Biden seems the clear-cut choice. I think we also need something different from the shoot-first ask later cowboy kind of politics Bush championed especially in the Middle-East. That's only won the US more enemies and wasted the lives of American soldiers and taxpayer's money.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 10:12:16 AM
Has anyone heard about Palins 'Road to No-Where'? She still supported a road that was to lead to the bridge, but with no bridge, the road is just there.:)
And see said no to the Bridge. This is why I can not go along with her. McCain can still save face for me. Maybe.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:10:20 AM
Well KennyBloggins, I guess being an American is a great thing. I never shot one before, but the Beretta shotgun, looks nice.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 10:06:30 AM
I was hoping then when CNN had a the so called investigative "Obama Revealed" that they can get to the bottom of the problem as an independent mainstream media and tell all. Why they did not interview relatives fo Obama( those older ones) to dispel the allegations that he was born in Kenya. It is of course, and CNN knew that in Kenya it is a common knoweldge that Obama was born in their country and yet CNN has become deaf and blind to inform the public about this facts. It is common knowledge also in Indonesia that Obama was educated in Muslim practice and beliefs because hsi step father is a known Muslim ardent believer. Cnn never bothered to interview people who knew about Obama's childhood. Why suppress facts that are relevant to the voters and CNN showed their bias reporting. True to its saying " the last one to know is the wife of the husband's indiscretions" and so goes the American people, they be the last one to know while thw world knows about who is Obama.
Posted by: darnobama | Sep 21, 2008 10:04:21 AM
So Joe has a couple of $3000 Italian shotguns? What a regular guy...
Posted by: KennyBloggins | Sep 21, 2008 10:02:45 AM
Demote Biden. PROMOTE HILLARY.
Posted by: anon | Sep 21, 2008 10:00:45 AM
In Communist China during the Cultural Revolution, Mao seized all the assets of the rich, their land, their money, whatever, and said it now belonged to state, and then went about allocating every peasant a piecw of a noble's land.
Having the upper income pay taxes to help the lower income get some credits to help them climb out of the huge hole the Bush admin has run them into is hardly the same as a socialist ideology. Do you know what a socialist country is like? It means all the major companies that control the food you eat to what underwear you wear, all come under the government, not just healthcare, and there's little or no privatization at all.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 9:54:48 AM
jack burton, interesting link. Ever lived on a military base. Aberden Proving Grounds, Maryland has a firing range that can be used by the families, of military personal. I have seen what one can to with various assalt rifles and modified semi-auto. Under the right supervision, they are fun to fire. But on the streets, well ask a police officer how he feels about a face to face shoot out with a modified semi-auto. Most Police Officers are Republicans, but wish to see a ban on many weapons. Just ask them.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 9:53:44 AM
Didn't Americans realize now how Obama is anti-American values. His change is purposely to have cultutual change.. from the best democratic government system and governance to a big government controlled systeme - healthcare to education to family values, from a succesful capitalist economy to a socialistic equality of distributing wealth by taxes and using police pwoer of the State to regulate wealth accumulation fo individuals, from religious freedom to mobilizing liberation of theology through twisting Christian dogmas for the sake of Black theology, from freedom from debt of every family and financial idependence to dependency of the government welfare fund by dole outs and expanding welfare benifits to lazy minority... and many more. Completely anti-American and the liberals who are behind Obama will control and develop and new kind of world order he preached in Germany recently ( rather than visit the troops he went to announce the new world order he is expecting to lead as backed by his boss, the real power behind this)
Posted by: darnobama | Sep 21, 2008 9:47:48 AM
I would think it would be much more worrying when you have a VP candidates logic is that since she can see the former Soviet Union from her homestate = foreign polic credentials, then whether the gun brand Biden stated even made a shotgun...
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 9:35:19 AM
Beretta does make a shotgun. Just google it. The Beretta handgun was the most used handgun, that security and police officers use. He has fired them at the local gun range in his home town. Sorry if I use to much detail.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 9:29:43 AM
enduser, I stand corrected. The striker and firing pin was not what I meant to describe. Thank you for reminding me.
Posted by: historyforgotten | Sep 21, 2008 9:25:30 AM
Oh, please Sen. Biden. How frickin' dumb do you think we are in the flyover? What, is "Beretta" the only gun name you could come up with on the fly?
Sad. Pathetic. Moronic.
Posted by: PT | Sep 21, 2008 9:24:24 AM
Er, I think it MAKES SENSE for the government to be able to arrest you for shooting someone inside your own home?
Obama is NOT going to take away your guns. He just wants more regulations so criminals cannot buy guns so easily, or so that terrorists cannot get hold of military-grade weapons as easily as buying bread.
You have no reason to be worried, unless, you use a Galil Sniper bolt-action rifle or a rocket launcher to shoot your caribou or something.
Posted by: Grey Matter | Sep 21, 2008 9:23:09 AM
Historyforgotten: You seem to be ignorant of the difference between a sear and a firing pin. Filing down a firing pin disables a weapon.
Posted by: enduser | Sep 21, 2008 9:15:58 AM
-Carry Concealed Licence laws have shown a drop in crime in those areas where the CCL is passed. Every time.-
NTxOkie, I kind of agree with this. I believe it should be up to the State to decide, and it is. But since I do not own a handgun, I don't worry about this law.
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