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Out West, Obama Faces Gun Battle

September 15, 2008 10:26 PM

DENVER, Colo. -- Colorado is home to more than 100,000 dues-paying members of the National Rifle Association, all of whom should have received THIS MAILER sometime in the last week, which says he would be "the most anti-gun president in American history," and refers gun rights enthusiasts to the website GunBanObama.com.

Obama is aware of this of course, and he's on the radio airwaves out here -- as well as, according to readers of Ben Smith at Politico -- Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Maryland. Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire.

The ad features former Washington Redskin Ray Schoenke, who helms the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which styles itself as a moderate alternative to the NRA, while the NRA deems it to be a bogus bunch of gun-grabbers.

"It's important to me that our next President protects our Second Amendment rights to own guns and defend ourselves," says Schoenke. "Barack Obama and John McCain will both make sure we can keep our guns. But what about keeping our jobs? Barack's got a real plan that invests in creating jobs here at home and cuts taxes a thousand bucks for working families. John McCain? I saw a lot of cheap shots in my day, but McCain's false attacks on Obama are just a fake to hide the ball. His plan sells out American workers. McCain will keep giving tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas. And he'll look the other way while China breaks our trade deals. It's the same old Bush playbook. Look, when the coach loses eight years in a row, you don't bring him back for a ninth season! We just can't afford more of the same."

Listen to the ad HERE.

Obama's facing some tough skeptics out here, though, and comments like the ones he made in Duryea, Penn., earlier this month don't necessarily help.

"There’s rumors going around that you're going to take away the guns," said a hunter at a glass factory.

"I think this is a great question so I just want to clear it up," Obama said. "Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience. I believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are a law-abiding gun owner, you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration! I mean this has been this has been peddled again and again…

"I’ll be honest, and I’m sure there’s some NRA members here," Obama continued. "Their general attitude is 'Look, we don’t want anything, and if you even breathe the word "gun control" or "gun safety," then you must want to take away everybody’s guns.' Well, that’s just not true...

"The bottom line is this. If you’ve got a rifle, you’ve got a shotgun, you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it away. Alright? So they can keep on talking about it but this is just not true. And by the way, here’s another thing you’ve got to understand. Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress."

That "I don't have the votes in Congress" line has ricocheted around the country…

- jpt

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Remember, Obama was FOR the DC handgun ban BEFORE he was against it (i.e., after the Supreme Court's decision).

Also, Captain Constitutional Law said at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church last month that he would not appoint Justices like Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas (i.e., the MAJORITY in the Heller gun ban decision).

Further, Obama said a debate with Hillary that he is in favor of re-instituting Bill Clinton's so called "Assault Weapon Ban."

Obama is NOT gun friendly and, in fact, on this issue he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

WAKE UP AMERICA! NOBAMA is a fake on this issue and does want to take your guns...

Posted by: Aaron Burr | Sep 16, 2008 1:11:09 PM

During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

For a fully reseached and CITED view on where Barry's TRUE postion is on guns go here:


Posted by: jack burton | Sep 16, 2008 12:48:16 PM

And one other thing...minimizing gun crime is related to increasing earning power of ordinary citizens...They are inversely related. As more Americans can find jobs and less families struggling, there will be less gangs and less gun violence. Americans turn to the streets just like those in other countries and fight because they feel they have no other choice. If Iraq provides jobs to its people, less will be able to recuit to extremist campaigns.

Posted by: ... | Sep 16, 2008 12:45:05 PM

He has stated over and over. There must be a way to protect the rights of law abiding gun owners and still keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of criminals. So guys, yes, let's me licensed, yes let's minimize the sale of AK-47s and keep track of who's buying them. This doesn't mean that you can't get it. It's like Advil cold and sinus being behind the pharmacy counter. Yeah its annoying have to sign it out but at least it prevents young kids from making more meth (drugs). No one wants to take away your guns. No One! If you are a law abiding citizen so why the fight...?

Posted by: ... | Sep 16, 2008 12:41:11 PM

IF I actually believed Obama and the Democrats were going to deliver on their promises of creating jobs and improving the economy, it would be very difficult to vote against them even though I have no doubt that they will try to trash the 2nd Amendment. However the pattern of behavior for the Democrats is to give american labor lip service during the campaign and forget about them afterwards.
I cannot vote for the Republicans because of their 'give everything to the wealthy' policies. The trickle down theory has failed. Wealth has not trickled down; poverty is trickling up. The destruction of the consuming power of American labor is the underlying cause of our current economic meltdown.
Since I cannot vote for the Democrats or the Republicans, I've got 49 days to decide between the Greens and the Libertarians. Maybe I'll write in a vote for Paris Hilton; I doubt even she could be worse than either of the Repucrats.

Posted by: CHP | Sep 16, 2008 12:32:35 PM

"The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%."

Posted by: Skip | Sep 16, 2008 12:13:10 PM

In the US Senate, Obama voted for a particular amendment offered by Sen. Kennedy that would have banned most rifle ammunition used for sport and hunting. With a few exceptions, the entire democratic party is hostile to gun owners.

Posted by: kr57 | Sep 16, 2008 11:59:16 AM

The Judges that Obama would appoint would take away our guns, or rubber stamp all sorts of restrictions.

Posted by: JM | Sep 16, 2008 11:56:33 AM

I know Obama claims he is not going to take away our firearms yet he is on the record time and time again saying he will ban the types of legal firearms I have. Therefore, no matter what he says to the people at the rallies, his official position statements and the Democratic Party platform say otherwise.

BTW, more people have died in Ted Kennedy's back seat than from my firearms.

Posted by: Aardvark | Sep 16, 2008 11:31:06 AM

Obama has said that voters need not fear he will take voters guns away. But will he allow or encourage other levels of government to take our guns away? Will he pass laws preventing us from buying new ones? Will he try to prevent us from having guns on-hand when we need them, e.g. when a mugger or car-jacker threatens our lives while demanding our property? Will he appoint judges who want to allow the government to do the above? Will he give money to university professors to generate gun-control propaganda posing as "research"? Will he allow our U.N. representative to sign a treaty that obligates our government to register firearms? Will he allow the government to discriminate between private citizens and civilian police officers with respect to the kinds of firearms we are allowed to use? Will he treat the privacy of my gun ownership with the same respect that he treats the privacy of a person's library book check-out records?

These are the questions which make me worry about an Obama victory. Unfortunately, no one in his campaign has tried to reassure me about these specific issues.

Posted by: fsilber | Sep 16, 2008 11:17:58 AM

Obama is the most ant-gun politician ever to vote. There is no anti-gun bill he has not voted for. He is the most left wing liberal in the Senate and c an be identified as a Marxist. Look up his record. He comes from Chicago corrupt politics where guns have been banned for years making citizens of this great city unable to defend themselves. No free citizen should vote for this Socialist/Marxist.

Posted by: Rich | Sep 16, 2008 10:46:17 AM

Gun control isn't really about guns. It's about CONTROL. Take away the ability to protect themselves and that makes us totally dependant on a police force that has no responsibility for protecting us(Gonsales Vs. Castle Rock). A mother's children went missing from her home. She had a restraining order against her ex-husband. She went to the local Police who did NOTHING to look for them or try to locate her ex husband. The ex turned up at the local police department early the next morning with the bodies of her little girls in the trunk and opened fire on the station. Despite the fact the man was violent, had firearms, had threatened the woman and her children the cops failed to do a DAMNED thing and were deemed not responsible for their lack of action by the US Supreme Court.
Why CAN'T people get that?


Posted by: Baird Tarr | Sep 16, 2008 10:04:39 AM

Obama votes with Democrats 98% of the time.

Agreeing with Pelosi, Reid, Dean...sorry but I don't find that very comforting.

Obama will not only be the abortion president--he'll be the anti-gun president.

Posted by: harry | Sep 16, 2008 9:58:03 AM

Both Obama and Biden have a very clear anti-gun record. Perhaps they don't want to take the rifles from MY gun cabinet. But they want to make sure from their presidency forward no private citizens can buy any new modern rifles or shotguns. How is that any different? It's not, it's a ban, and it's anti-gun.

And as for "American Hunters and Shooters Association", they are indeed anti-gun. They wan't all .50 BMG rifles banned/confiscated from private citizens, whether there was any crime or not, whether there was any risk or not.

Posted by: nai | Sep 16, 2008 9:46:22 AM

To anyone that thinks Obama does not have the votes to take your guns. The DC hand gun case was decided by a 5-4 vote. One judge voting the other way and the right of AMericians to own and keep guns would be gone. The Senate confirms judges. The Senate is democratic controlled. If Obama nominates a gun control judge he will be confirmed. Then the next gun control case to come before the court will be decided in favor of gun control. Obama has the votes he needs to take guns away. Saying he doesn't is a lie.

Posted by: unseen | Sep 16, 2008 9:43:55 AM

Obama said. "Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience. ... Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn’t get it done. I don’t have the votes in Congress."

===

Mr. freeking "Constitution Law Prof" -
We can have guns even we have absolutely no interest in shooting a single animal. We need guns to keep a government like you'd want to bring about to change the country to a socialist society backed with Communist (Revolution We Can Believe In!) and Star-War (Change, We Need) slogans.

Before he even got elected, he is attempting to change the constitution.


Posted by: d0 | Sep 16, 2008 9:36:40 AM

So, what? Obama will let us keep single shot shotguns and bolt action rifles? No thanks. I don't hunt. I prefer my handguns that I carry on a daily basis for protection against the welfare scum entitlement crowd that Obama panders to.

Posted by: Chilli Dawg | Sep 16, 2008 9:30:54 AM

This is Clintonian. If you've got a rifle, if you've got a shotgun, I'm not gonna take it away...but I will take your handguns.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 16, 2008 9:30:26 AM

Kate,

When Governor Palin levied additional taxes on Big Oil in Alaska, do you think Big Oil ate this additional expense and just took less profit, or did they pass on the expense to the rest of Americans in higher costs for energy?

Who pays for Alaskans rebates?

WE DO. Palin might have been good for Alaska...they love her as she found a way to save them money and stick it to the rest of us in the Lower 49! But, her policies are not good for ALL Americans.

Posted by: Amy T | Sep 16, 2008 7:33:16 AM

Anyone who has ever been held up at gunpoint understands why gun control is essential in our nation.

Anyone who has ever lost a child to a stray bullet in their neighborhood understands why gun control is essential in our nation.

Anyone who has buried a teacher, killed in a school shooting, understands why gun control is essential in our nation.

Anyone who has read a news story of a child killed by a sibling, because they got their hands on a parent's improperly stored firearm, understands why gun control is essential in our nation.

AND, anyone who is a hunter, sportsman, skeet shooter, soldier, or gun collector that CARES about the safety of their fellow countrymen, women, and children, should understand why gun control is essential in our nation.

This is not a black and white issue...it is time for ALL Americans to demand safe and logical consensus, an agreeable, compromised middle-ground from their elected officials on this issue of our Right to Bear Arms.

Posted by: Amy T | Sep 16, 2008 7:28:31 AM

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