Pastor Muthee and Mayor Palin

someone should ask if she ever figured we'd know so much about her so soon.

since she avoided talking to the press, is it any shock we find about how she prayed with muthee to remove the evil spirits from her life.

figures that it's someone who only got a passport last year and called henry kissinger naive...

Bill Donohue isn't just president of the Catholic League. He is the entire Catholic League.

I don't see how this reflects poorly on Palin at all. She graciously accepted a prayer offered in good faith by a pastor from a very different place. Given Obama's heritage I hardly think that mocking Kenyans as a bunch of superstitious savages is a positive message for anyone.

And the anti-semitic angle is really a stretch. English is not his native tongue, but it's clear to me that it was meant as a positive example and not a slur.

I must respect the right for anyone to worship the way he or she chooses barring animal and human sacrifice. The government also states the it is unlawful for believers to use certain drugs as part of their sacrament even if those drugs were part of their sacrament before laws against them were passed.

I definitely do not have to vote for someone who accepts protection against witchcraft no matter how many people are suggestible enough to die from it.

I do not have to respect the whacked out superstitions of some people nor do I have to respect racist, sexist, or other discriminatory content of their religions. As far as I'm concerned others can believe whatever they choose to believe, I just don't want them getting any of it on me.

So...let me make this straight. Gov. Palin now is responsible for what a visiting Bishop had said?

I'm waiting for endless left Obama apologists who came out in drove to excuse Rev. Wright's and Fr. Pfeiger's much worse words by saying "the video did not provide contexts..." I can't wait for them to come to Gov. Palin's rescue!

P.S. The video is a fake. A Certain Group Helped Palin. This group is holding your Morgages as colateral, for an argument. A Stall Tactic. Want to know more.

How much Bank scandel actually follows McCain? Well, He was investigated and largely exonerated in a political influence scandal of the 1980s as a member of the 'Keating Five'. His connection to Rick Davis, who imbezzeled money from Fannie Mae, as early as last Month. And one of McCains sons, who was a bank auditor, mysteriously left his job , two months before the bank went bankrupt. Even another Senator from an earlier speech, connected McCain to the scandel in the 1980's. The 'Keats five'. McCain has told us, he has been in contact with the Senate, but even the Senators said, they had not spoken to him. He just heard of the plan two days ago. McCain has lost Touch. Being touched by CORUPTION, must make him feel a little numb. If he can still feel at all.

I have a question, about any other organizations, he may be a part of.

Americans may be curious to know which one. I suggest transparency be implemented. At least that is McCains platform. It still is, Right?

And guess what, about Todd Palin?
:)
Of course, Sarah could not join. But she could speak at a group meeting. She's a Female. Only Men join this group. Women join the OTHER ONE.

Who is Senator Richard Shelby...
Who wants the answers?
So McCain sides with FOREIGN CAPITOLIST NAZIS. The Far Right Republicans have voiced their opinions, about America. They 'Do' want it to fall. And they said IRAN was bad. CAPITOL TERRORISTS ARE ALREADY IN AMERICA. They are just waiting for Middle America, to kill eachother, trying to get to them. How much 'Chemicals' are YOU going to dump on us?

A 'CHEMICAL WEDDING', is the story of Far Far Right Republicans. The NAZIS. Do you want more? Palin was right when she said she gets to deal with Russia. Now Richard Shelby, are you sure you are ready for more news about YOUR History. Or McCains? Or shall we reveal more about Palin? We will NOT let you commit Genocide on AMERICANS. NO MIDDLE EASERN CAPITOLIST WILL GET A GOLDEN PARACHUTE. No Believer in God would stand for your Genocide.
Do people really want to know of your Chinese Genicide Plans? Is there an 'Ear at the Door'? Have you had your 'FLU' shot yet? You are not a Republican. You are a Far Out of Touch Nazi.

'A Chemical Wedding'= Rise of the NAZIS.
Every Free America should read this.

You can't help but laugh at how utterly pathetic some folks are......I have to ask. If Vice-Presidential candidates being protected from "witches" isn't a deal breaker for you I'd surely like to know what is? (LOL)

JAKE:

*Thank you* for pointing out the anti-Semitism in Muthee's remarks -- and anti-Semitism it is, of course. When we still hear the canard about the need to wrest control of the international money supply from "the Israelites," we know that not much has changed in the past seventy years, or for that matter from the centuries before.

I had not seen this video. I did hear audio of David Brickner, of Jews for Jesus, addressing her church when she was reported to have been there. Again, some of what he said has been called out publicly (e.g., the Israelis killed in Jerusalem by the Palestinian who mowed them down with a bulldozer deserved to die because they would not worship Jesus). But he made other statements that went unremarked, the kind of lore that brought us the Protocols and pogroms. For example, he claimed that the way Jesus' name is pronounced in modern Hebrew is "a malediction."

It is telling that Palin has not denounced either Muthee or Brickner. What standard fare is served up in her church when there are not guest speakers?

You've blogged about the skittishness of some Jewish groups over Obama. Occasionally I hear those same fears voiced quietly among acquaintances and even extended family, a vague mistrust, as if his DNA will out and he'll be revealed as one particular embodiment of the "Muslim enemy" in the aggregate. I keep wanting to shout that it's not Obama, but Palin we should fear.

Palin's apparent immersion in this dreck needs more light on it, so please, *please* continue to blog about it, Jake. Does she believe Jews are responsible for the financial crisis? Does she think she's about to be elevated to the presidency (should the proverbial heartbeat fail) in order to destroy Israel and fulfill end times prophecies?

We need to know. Not only those of us who are Jewish, but all of us, since world war hangs in the balance. Short of that, do any of us want to risk our own version of the Nuremberg Laws?

This is very unsettling, and it does appear to be a slam on Jews.

As a Jew, i did not take this Bishop's comments to be anti-Semitic; I took them to be anti Animist. The religions that we call 'Voodoo' in Southern US "Santaria" in Haiti, Puerto Rico & 'Macumba' in Brazil are the Western transplants of African indigenous religions. What this Christian bigot was saying was that his Christianity gave him the right to persecute and torture (look it up --- that is the history in Kenya) practitioners of the ancient animal-spirit religions of his country.

According to adherents.com there are "100 million members of African Traditional & Diasporic" religions. The goal of African Christians is to guilt-trip and intimidate native Africans into abandoning their old religion and turn to J-E-S-U-S. Please study the history of the methods these enlightened souls have used to facilitate that transformation, then comment on this "sermon."

Not that we can hold Governor Palin responsible for any of those actions, but it would have been nice if she knew about it before she prayed with this predator.

Want to know if Palin approved Muthee's message and prayers...there is a video on the net saying so..it was recorded this June '8...google it and you will find that she thought it was great.
It is her and her own words.

After all, she did become Governor did she not?

Obama/Biden '08

As for Reverend Wright, at least he was crazy talking about racism in America, which, unlike witches, is real.

Donahue is an idiot. Nobody in Africa has died of witches or witchcraft. However, people have died of mob violence because religious fanatics like Muthee continue the myth that witches exist and thus foster an atmosphere of irrational fear. Also, liberals are advocates for religious diversity, but that doesn't mean that they have to be advocates of psychotics like Muthee who preach fear in order to control their followers. You can chuck Jim Jones into that group as well as Bin Laden...and probably Donahue, as well.

Reply to "Elizabeth Gilmore" who said below:

"Perhaps it is the fact that this ceremony was in a Christian context that renders it so disturbing to some people. "

Please read my post below about the problem of mob violence in Africa due to this kind of religious witch-hunting. If this was done by any group, Christian, Muslim, Voodoo, whatever! I think people would be horrified. Not everything MUST be viewed through a political lens.

Note, that when you open a paragraph with "Perhaps..." you are likely to be battling a straw man of your own construction. As in this case.

And what is "coffee-house hypocrisy"? Using Splenda in your cuppa and ordering a cheese danish?

Tapper wants to know what I think of all this?

From the BBC:

May 22 2008
"Eight women and three men, aged between 80 and 96, were burned to death by these so-called witch hunters. The BBC's Muliro Telewa in the region says the gang had a list of the victims and picked them out individually.

"The mob dragged them out of their houses and burned them individually and then set their homes alight, our correspondent says. "

Bill Donohoe thinks we should be tolerant of this "multi-cultural" practice? Hell no.

Thankfully, Kenyan police do not endorse this kind of mob violence and arrested those who incited the attacks on innocent old people. I choose to side with the police on this one. Not Palin or Donohoe or Muthee.

>What do you think?

Would "Bat-Crazy" be considered too agressive for this forum?

This witch hunter should be investigated by the IRS for giving a political speech in a Church. He is making hundreds of thousands of dollars by pandering to the extreme right.

What nonsense. It's just amazing to me that reasonable Americans can listen to an obviously insane person and not be appalled by his rhetoric.

Elmer Gantry was a a better alternative than this deluded soul.

Such things as the legal intimidation of the organizers of the anti-Iran rally, as well as the lack of quotations in the reuters headline released after the speech made by the Iranian head of state, are more ominous and immediate in their implications than Muthee's commentary.

Regarding the whole witchcraft video thing:

Perhaps it is the fact that this ceremony was in a Christian context that renders it so disturbing to some people.

Perhaps if the ceremony was evocative of African, Asian, or indigenous American cultures instead, then Ms. Palin--if she were not a Republican, that is--would be lauded for her cultural awareness, and any detractors would be denounced as ignorant and intolerant. Such is coffee-house hypocrisy.

I think that Governor Palin could be a very effective, positive diplomatic figure, particularly in conjunction with Senator McCain and others in McCain’s circle.

While pondering Governor Palin’s interactions with foreign leaders this week, I must say that those who would attempt to denigrate Palin as being somehow less cultivated because she lacks Ivy League certification or other such nonsense forget that many people in other countries and cultures appreciate those who they perceive as being grounded in and representative of their respective cultural traditions.

Even if certain manifestations of their respective traditions vary greatly, this mutual recognition of authenticity can effect a truer and deeper interaction than that effected through veneers of “correctness.”

You may be surprised at how this ceremony will resonate in Ms. Palin's favor with traditionalist populations residing in the US and especially throughout the world who have their own cultural traditions that are subject to cynical derision.

The peoples of the former Soviet satellites, as an especially fitting example, recognize when an establishment wages war upon the peasants, and that is exactly what the Obama campaign and its surrogates have pursued for months, reported in the press for the world to see.

Dignitaries from agrarian and traditional cultures, and there are many of them, are likely to be supportive and defensive of a person of the American "Frontier" who is viciously and repeatedly castigated by the cosmopolitan, self-styled elite.

Thus, in many significant ways, perhaps Governor Palin and many people from other countries and cultures have more in common with each other than with over-cultivated armchair Levantines and corporate enthusiasts of the ersatz, whether they be in the United States or abroad as Global Citizenry.

Did Palin ask him to pray about witchcraft, or is she just being respectful and polite to a representative from another culture (unlike those who are freaking out over this fairly simple and straightforward prayer)?

As for whether his remarks are anti-semitic or not, I can't figure out a way to parse his remarks so they are. He seems to me to plainly be saying we should look to the example of the Israelites who put people of integrity in leadership roles.

But then, I go to a church most people would think fundamentalist, so I've heard this before.

This one time prayer from a visiting missionary is hardly the equivilent of 20 years of sitting under the teaching of an American marxist preacher who calls for the damning of America and uses racially charged epithets.