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The Fight Over Community Organizing
September 04, 2008 7:15 PM
Last night, both former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin mocked Sen. Barack Obama's three years, in his 20s, spent as a community organizer.
"He worked as a community organizer," Giuliani said, laughing, as the crowd mocked the very notion. "What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume."
"I guess a small-town mayor is sorta like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities," Palin said to much applause.
Obama this evening in Lancaster, Pa., told voters, "the Republicans really had fun with the work I did after college. I don’t know if they understand what it means to, at the age of 22 or 23, to pass up more lucrative options and work with people who are having a tough time, and seeing when people work together, we can do amazing things –- rebuilding communities, and setting up job training centers and starting up after-school programs for kids."
Obama added, "Maybe that’s not really interesting work for Rudy Giuliani, but for the people on the ground who are seeing a difference in their lives -– that’s important stuff."
For nine years I've listened to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., movingly call on younger Americans to serve a cause greater than their self-interest.
Wasn't Obama merely heeding that very call?
- jpt
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The liberal twist on this community organizer things is that people have been dumping on community organizers.
What the banana heads at CNN cannot grasp, or choose not to (more like it), is that it is not a critique of community organizers, it is a critique on those that consider themselves ready to be President based on thier experience as a community organizer.
Obama is such a believer.
Obama told a debate audience in February, and the National Review printed the following Obama comment on June 3, 2008:
“I can bring this country together, I have a track record, starting from the days I moved to Chicago as a community organizer.”
Using Obama’s logic, the Santa Claus ringing the bell for the Salvation Army is experienced enought to run the Federal Reserve.
NOBAMA
NOPRAH
Posted by: 50centsaday | Sep 8, 2008 3:59:23 PM
I AM MCAPPAULED BY HER SARAH PALIN I GAVE HER A CHANCE AND HEARD HER RIDICULE BARACK OBAMA WITH ALL DUE RESPECT OBAMA EARNED HIS 18 MILLION VOTE BY THE AMERICAN PPL PALIN DIDN'T GET BUT ONE VOTE TO RUN AS VICE PRESIDENT
I AM A COUNTER FOR INVENTORY AND THAT PUT FOOD ON MY TABLE AND A ROOF OVER MY HEAD FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER IS SOMEONE THAT HELPED ME GET A HOME TROUGHT THE HABITAT PROGRAM AND THAT'S SOMEONE I OWE A LOT TO I WILL NEVER LOOK DOWN ON THEM EVEN IF I'M TO MAKE MILLIONS IN THE FUTURE.
MY GRANDMA WAS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER HELPING KIDS GET COATS IN THE WINTER AND WORKING WITH HOSPITALS TO HELP LESS FORTUNATE PPL GET TREATMENT FOR LIFE TERMINATING DISEASE WHEN I HEARD GULIANI AND SARAH MOCK THEM I ALMOST CRIED BECAUSE MY GRANDMA WHO'S NOW IN HEAVEN TOLD ME TO ALWAYS LOOK AFTER YOUR COMMUNITY SHE DEVOTED HER LIFE TO. NOW SHE'S BEING MOCKED AS WELL WHAT A SAD DAY IN POLITICS
GOD WILL SHINE ON OBAMA AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
GOD BLESS
Posted by: joe | Sep 5, 2008 10:15:56 PM
Point granted. Yet, I am still having trouble finding out exactly what Obama *accomplished* during his years as a community organizer.
Why not put out a PR release listing those accomplishments? Seems simple enough...
Posted by: Faye Kinnit | Sep 5, 2008 1:26:51 PM
1) Obama started the back and forth by referring to her as the Mayor of Wasilly (sic) instead of giving her the respect she was due: she is the sitting Governor of the largest state in the union. Talk about extreme sexism: he would never have dared do that a man.
2) When you call into question her experience as a mayor, then that puts his "experience" as a "community organizer" on the table. People want to compare his work to MLK or Jesus: how laughable. The reality is that it's more like Al Sharpton.
3) He didn't do this out of altruism. He got paid for the work. Maybe not as much as a Wall Street job, but: a) we have no proof that he was ever offered one in the first place, and b) he was laying the groundwork for running for office in that district. Just because he was employed by a church (my church as it so happens), doesn't make it charity. He had extremely selfish reasons for doing it as anyone who has ever actually read his book would see.
It's no more laudable than my sister going into public accounting for five years so that she could get a six-figure job afterwards. Both are equally mercenary, and neither is a qualification for the presidency.
3) Speaking of reading his book, those who have can tell you that *Barack Obama himself* didn't hold the position in high regard. To him it was a stepping stone and nothing more. These people trying to make him to be Mother Theresa or something similar evidently are either unwilling or unable to read what the candidate himself has had to say on the subject.
4) In response to some of the commenters here who are twisting Gov. Palin's words: she has never said that rape is not a crime. It's a deliberate misreading of "society's mistakes" to make it say what they want you to believe. An objective reader can figure it out for themselves: the only ones believing this sort of ridiculous tripe are the ones who are writing it.
Posted by: Jim | Sep 5, 2008 1:14:16 PM
Surely I'm not the first to point this out here, and surely it doesn't need to be pointed out in the first place, but the ridicule isn't directed at "community organizing" (which is--let's face it--a BS title for something that usually barely could qualify as a job)... the ridicule is directed at the absurd notion that Obama's experience as an "organizer" is even remotely comparable to Palin's experience as a small-town mayor. It isn't, and American's are collectively laughing at Obama over this.
Palin endured 5 days of ridicule for her experience as "mayor or Wasilly", as Obama so politely reduced it as he ignored her governorship... I find it interesting that Obama is in vapors over 1 night of ridicule for something which he asserts to be manifestly non-ridiculous.
Posted by: DaveS | Sep 5, 2008 12:52:26 PM
hmmmm
the obamaniacs are out tonight.
that was my first republican convention.
great speech by McCain.
Obama is a better orator,
but McCain has more to talk about!
Posted by: between the ears. | Sep 5, 2008 12:30:13 AM
WILLEM
if everyone knew as much about mccain as we do i would wonder what their attitude would be.
goodnight
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 10:26:52 PM
man. On and on and on and on and on and on it goes.
I was in the Netherlands when they buried their Queen. She got a less dramatic and preposterous introduction.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Sep 4, 2008 10:12:50 PM
I SURE DO
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 10:12:16 PM
rodney:
"palins experience as the mayor of a small comunity has no revelance at all"
I disagree. She got a lot of training while mayor of Wasilla:
she hired lobbyists and learned it from the Masters, Abramoff; Stevens; you get the drift.
She also got a lot of training with spending taxpayer's money: spending skyrocketed 63% during her two administrations; she expanded government; and left the community with huge debts.
She learned the ropes of wielding her executive powers there too: fired 4 people because she didn't like their noses; wanted to ban books in the library; you get the drift.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Sep 4, 2008 10:10:15 PM
i have a feeling that in a week or so --MCCAINS SOUL MATE WILL BE GONE----
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 10:05:00 PM
she got that much to be mayor of dogpatch-----must be a little oil money involved
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 10:02:11 PM
there is bad news showing up about her all over tyhe world---i cannot say it here or i will be censored for a few hours.--just wait and see
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 10:00:44 PM
"Very little"
Depends on what's little. In her time it was around $ 65.000 - $ 70.000
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Sep 4, 2008 10:00:32 PM
smith
what you are dismissing is that obama has been working with the public and government for 20 some years-----palins experience as the mayor of a small comunity has no revelance at all.
you will get a few more surprises with her before this is all done.
mccain is using her to get the attention off of himself.
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 9:57:43 PM
so if I pass up a good job I desreve to
run for president? Cool
Give it a try rodney. Might be beter than spending the next 60 days on the ropes.
Posted by: smith | Sep 4, 2008 9:52:16 PM
Mccain Wrote this in the Washington Monthly years ago:
National service is an issue that has been largely identified with the Democratic Party and the left of the political spectrum. That is unfortunate, because duty, honor, and country are values that transcend ideology. National service, both civilian and military, can embody the virtues of patriotism that conservatives cherish.
More than a decade ago, the patron saint of modern conservatism, William F. Buckley, Jr., offered an eloquent and persuasive conservative case for national service. In the book Gratitude, Buckley wrote, "Materialistic democracy beckons every man to make himself a king; republican citizenship incites every man to be a knight. National service, like gravity, is something we could accustom ourselves to, and grow to love."
Buckley was right, but it's fair to say that it took a while before we conservatives accustomed ourselves to the idea. Indeed, when Clinton initiated AmeriCorps in 1994, most Republicans in Congress, myself included, opposed it. We feared it would be another "big government program" that would undermine true volunteerism, waste money in "make-work" projects, or be diverted into political activism.
Posted by: scott | Sep 4, 2008 9:45:33 PM
george
that wright thing is old and of no signifigance-----i would have no problem with him---he is entitled to say what he thinks.maybe you should read the whole sermon
Posted by: rodney | Sep 4, 2008 9:44:53 PM
Rodney,
I have a question that I just thought about: Is working in Rev. Wright's church considered as community organizing? That is very long, something like more than 20 years.
Posted by: george | Sep 4, 2008 9:39:39 PM
Obviously, Republican believes serving the community is irrelevant. Well, since they don't want my vote, i woon't ven bother to pay attention to their campaign
Posted by: Brian | Sep 4, 2008 9:35:01 PM
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