A Different Member of the Keating 5 Introduces the Boss at Obama Rally

TRUTH: INNOCENT CIVILIANS INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED IN IRAQ! WAKE UP! THIS IS NOT A MADE UP STORY CREATED BY DEMOCRATS!

"Folks the Keating Five would not have been mentioned except Sarah Palin keeps trying to connect Obama to Ayers. That opens the door to look at McCain's past. Obama was a child when Ayers was protesting and as adult was on two committees with the man."

And Ayers helped launch Obama's campain at Ayers house. And Obama wrote a revue of Ayers book. But how was Obama supposed to know he was a terrorist?

McCain didn't know Keating was a crook until the meeting, and then he removed himself from it. Oh yeah....

"After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, with Cranston receiving a formal reprimand. Senators John Glenn and John McCain WERE CLEARED of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment"."

Folks the Keating Five would not have been mentioned except Sarah Palin keeps trying to connect Obama to Ayers. That opens the door to look at McCain's past. Obama was a child when Ayers was protesting and as adult was on two committees with the man. Didn't make them friends. But, now the door to the past is opened the Republicans can't cry foul when McCain's past is raked up. McCain did get some regulation of S & L delayed, which helpled Keating. I don't think either man should get beat up about these issues from way in the past. But politicans have to remember DON'T OPEN DOOR AND EXPECT TO CONTROL WHAT / OR WHO WALKS THROUGH IT.

It is interesting that in his bio, John Glenn discusses the Keating scandal.

What Obama is not telling you is that as soon as they were advised that Keating was under investigation Glenn and McCain ceased any relationship with Keating and did not try to provide any other assistance. However, three high ranking democrats continued to help Keating .

Glenn, according to his words asked to be severed from the investigation since he had done nothing wrong. He was told by the committee chairmen that he had to stay because McCain was even less culpable and if they let Glenn go they would have to let McCain go and that would leave them with only Democrats.

How about Obama's bad judgement with training ACORN workers to wreck havoc on banks that didn't give home loans to those who couldn't afford it.

This is all just politics, and in politics (whether democrat or republican) you do whatever it takes to get the top job (i.e., president). My issue with this is that McCain did exercise poor judgment, but he's admitted that, was reprimanded, and has consistently said over the years that it was a mistake. There's also a suggestion by politicians, including Democrats, that he was included in the whole thing to make it look like it wasn't just Democrats, and that when the investigating group wanted to drop him from the charges because his part was negligible, the Democrat-controlled congress wouldn't let them because they didn't want it to look like it was only Democrats that were involved. Not surprisingly since the Democrats were as corrupt in the 1980s as the Republicans got in the past decade. What's interesting to me, though, is that I'd really like Obama to publicly apologise for his association with Ayers. He distances himself, but ironically doesn't seem to demonstrate the same repentance as McCain over the Keating 5. This bothers me a bit as it suggests real ego on Obama's part, which is not appealing.

Keating 5 is old news (Bush used it in 2000). Ayers is old news (Obama was a kid when that stuff happened). Both men perhaps exercised less than ideal judgment (depending on who you are and what you believe in), and so when I ask myself what matters for today and hopefully tomorrow, I'm left only with the question: what's the relevance? In my opinion, the relevance is: have these two men learned from previous mistakes? Can they admit shortcomings and correct for them? What does their RESPONSE say about their personality?

I'm a Democrat. I'll vote for Obama. And in any event, I've no doubt his administration and perhaps Obama himself will do plenty of dodgy things during their time as well

Desperate tactics. McCain / Palin are tearing down this country in a horrible grasp for power. They are trailing in the polls. Obama / Biden really did try to run a clean campaign, but they aren't going to be SWIFT BOATED.

Doesn't it bother anyone else that terms like SWIFT BOATED and WILLIE HORTON came from the dirty tricks of the past Republican campaigns?

I wish John McCain would listen to John McCain.

"Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it." [John McCain - The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer - 2/21/2000]

It was McCain who was the main guy fightning to protect Keating. McCain who was his close buddy, who used his jets, expensive vacation homes [yet worth $ 100 MILLION with Cindy ?!] ----- McCain has a long history of lies and distortion. Would you pick someone in the bottom quarter of their class to run your company? Because he would have loved to be "that good." ----- McCain was 895 of 899, just a hair above the very bottom!!! And even then he would have been kicked out except for his daddy admiral. ------ He "used" to be a maverick, compared to most Republican Robots! But being a cheerleader for this UNNECESSARY IRAQ WAR, voting with Bush 90%+ of the time, shows those days are long gone! ----- The Iraq War has NEARLY BANKRUPTED THE US !! $$$$$$$ ---- It will cost $ 3 Trillion, or $ 3,000 Billions by the time we pay off the "Chinese credit card." Same as if the Republicans BURNED DOWN EVERY AVERAGE HOME IN THE MIDWEST, FROM IOWA, MN. TO MICH. AND OHIO !!! ----- With that kind of "experience" he may be worse than Bush !

MODERATE WROTE:" It is quite ironic that the Obama camp thinks nothing of using John Glenn at a rally the day they launch an attack on McCain."
Truth? Actually these things mean little to me, but I am glad to see a miror held up to Senator McCain's face. Senator Glenn is a respected American Leader, and "Semper Fi" a most respected Marine Officer. We will always owe a debt to his bravery and service to our country. John McCain simarily has a great record of service that is honorable. All the stuff brought up is ancient history, people should and do move on... Mr Ayers has, as can be seen. In all this Barack Obama has done NOTHING to be ashamed of. Nothing dishonorable. Contributing directly to his commuinity is a service without ribbons or ranking, but nevertheless, selfless devotion to his neighbors, friends and country. So non of this reflect who any of these people truly are, except for the one person who put all the patriotic, civil and selfless service of Barack Obama down for not having ribbons and medals for doing his part for our country. Mr McCain would probably argue that Policemen are not worthy to be considered heroes if expediency demanded it. So, here is the problem, a war "hero" beciomes an apostle of politiacal expediency... thereby expending his political hero capital to replace it with being revealed to be a bumbling political hack, who is embarrassingly disengenuous in his approach to , racial baiting, McCarthyite inuendoes, and other unsavory techniques. I sometimes think that Senator McCain thinks the electorate is composed of 3 rd graders. Only the most unconscious voter fails to make the connection between being talked down to, and being reasoned with.

GOSH, DIDNT JOHN MCCAIN ADMIT HIS TERRIBLE LACK OF JUDGMENT ? CONTRITE OR NOT, HE HAD A LAPSE, IN FACT, HE HAS LOTS OF LAPSES... FOLLOWING HIS PATTERN OF PIVOTING OPPORTUNISTIC EPISODES, ONE GETS A FEELING OF A CAMPAIGN WITH A COMPLETE LACK OF DIRECTION, NO STRATEGY AND A COMPLETELY ARROGANT DISREGARD FOR THE ATTENTION SPAN OF VOTERS. IF ONE FOLLOWS THE TRAIL OF MISCUES,TACTICAL MISCALCULATION AND BLUNDERS,IT IS APPARENT THAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS MISSING INTELLIGENCE, NO, NOT WHAT YOU THINK I AM SAYING,MAYBE NOT.... HE IS BLINDED SOMEHOW TO THE REAL DEVELOPMENTS TAKING PLACE IN THE WORLD....NO INFORMATION ! WHY? MAYBE IT IS DUE TO HIS STRICTLY IDEOLOGICAL VIEW. LOOKING AT THE WORLD WITH THE WRONG ANALYSIS IS JUST AS BAD AS HAVING BEEN LOBOTOMIZED ! IN HIS ATTEMPT AT MAKING HIS CAMPAIGN MIRROR THE CONSERVATIVE IDEAL;, AND FIT THAT VIEW INTO HIS WORLD VIEW, HE HAS BECOME UNREALISTIC IN TERMS OF POLICY, PRESENTATION, ETC. ONE EXAMPLE IS THE CANNED ,SCRIPTED RALLIES WE SEE NOW. i HEARD SARAH PALIN , IN ONE OF HER SPEECHES INTONE "DRILL BABY", WHICH HER CHEERING SECTION PROMPTLY TOOK UP... TERRIBLE STAGECRAFT AND DEVASTATINGLY REVELATORY OF THE EMPTINESS OF THIS POLITICAL CHARADE OF A CAMPAIGN.

'If guilt by association is the game:

Why not accuse McCain of sympathizing with organized crime based on his long relationship with his father-in-law, the late Jim Hensley, a twice convicted felon who got his start in the beer business through shady dealings with organized crime figures.

Why not accuse McCain of plotting illegal partisan dirty tricks based on his ties to Gordon Liddy who was convicted in Water Gate scandal and who admitted plotting to murder Howard Hunt among others. Liddy calls McCain his friend and donated $5800 to him since 1998. McCain appeared recently on his radio show and said he admired his (Liddy's) principles. Liddy spent over four years in prison, but today has a radio show spewing poison to the lunatic fringe of the far right.

Why not accuse Sarah McCain of wanting to secede from the United States based on ties to the Alaskan Independence Party whose goal it is to secede from the United States? Her husband was a member for two years, she attended their convention and less than a year ago lauded the group in TV address to their convention....certainly a closer relationship than Obama's to'

Taken from a blogger on reuters, after reading these comments (ie. not my words) but they do raise some eyebrows, certainly with The JM camp now going for the 'terrorist via association' line with BO!...

John Glenn is over-hyped as a former astronaut, but he has the self-knowledge to clean up his act after Keating-Five.

McCain has instead pushed for deregulation up and down Wall Street ever since. Calling himself a Mavericky doesn't change that. The old man hasn't learned his lesson and won't learn it before Nov 4.

Please, Obamanites, you SEE the Kool-Aid. The glass is full. Just, drink it already, will ya?

I agree, picking John Glenn may not have been the best move...but I think some of us are missing the forest for the trees. McCain was chastised for using bad judgment. Bad judgment is exactly the problem. The same bad judgment, which lead McCain to ask if Bin Laden is really such a bad guy in 1998. The same bad judgment that thinks the solution to lack of oversight is less regulation. The same bad judgment that picks a VP that can't name a periodical, or answer a direct question. Common, if Catie Couric takes you behind the woodshed; what happens when you meet with someone who's really hostile, e.g. Putin? There's a good chance he might use a big word or ask a basic question about American culture that a 3rd grader can answer? I digress....a long history of bad decisions. Should I mention Carol McCain (now that's family values)

Ask any football coach in the country. You'll get the same answer. You play like you practice. If your habit is to spew incoherent BS at the 1st sign of conflict, then that will be your reaction. On the other hand, if you practice doing the right thing (treating people with dignity, answering questions, conducting yourself with some integrity, as so forth) then that will be your natural reaction. That's why McBain hasn't been able to rattle Barrack. McCain will continue to fall on his face, flip flop, and whine about the media for the next 4 weeks. Then we get a break...bye bye Johnny Mac!!

Did any of you hear McCain's speech today? It was great. He laid out the case for how we got into this financial mess, laying the blame at the feet of Democrats in the pocket of Freddie and Fannie. He made it crystal clear that he understands the enormity of the crisis and that he has the steady vision to lead us through it. Meanwhile, Obama saunters out from debate prep to make a short statement trying to convince everyone that McCain was ignoring the financial crisis to launch character attacks. Obama's Keating Five documentary is not a character attack as well? Puh-leeze. Obama was ignoring McCain's well-reasoned argument that Obama was implicated because of the massive amounts of money he took from Fannie and Freddie since becoming a senator-- enough to be the second-largest recipient of campaign funds from them after Chris Dodd, who's been on the take for Fannie and Freddie since back before the flood. Get real.

Well, I'm going to ignore the rantings of the lunatic fringe and actually address the point of Mr. Tapper's post. You, sir, are the master of understatement. It is quite ironic that the Obama camp thinks nothing of using John Glenn at a rally the day they launch an attack on McCain. But then, I am continuously reminded that they are fairly tone-deaf. McCain was exonerated of wrong-doing in the Keating affair but chastised for showing bad judgment. He learned from that mistake and spoke openly and extensively about the mistakes he made. In fact, the Keating 5 affair was instrumental in developing McCain the crusading reformer we have today. He has written about the incident and the lessons he learned. He has been open and painfully honest. He is, I would argue, in a strong position to be able to talk about the importance of the company a politician keeps. He has learned from his bad judgment. Obama won't even admit to any of his own mistakes. He stubbornly refuses to admit it shows bad judgment to be involved with Ayers or Rezko. He repudiates Rev. Wright once Wright dissed him in public, but still shows no remorse for having spent all those years in the man's church. It reminds me of the way he sorta comes around to admitting the surge worked in Iraq but stubbornly refuses to say that in hindsight, he should have voted for it. I am more comfortable with the judgment and attitude of John McCain as a national leader. Maybe, if Obama learns from his lapses in judgment as McCain did, someday he could be president. But he is not ready yet. John McCain is.

"Yes being able to answer questions the 2nd time they are asked instead of blanking staring into the camera and hitting one's talking points no matter the question in a debate shows she is a quick study."

Which means you can't respond to the fact that Palin is more prepared to be President than Obama is. Obama is no longer a blank slate. We know what he is now and it ain't pretty.

"ROFLMAO"

Great. You will have a lot less A. That should help you socialize better.

At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain/Palin and the Republicans

40 Years ago we were in Vietnam. Baby Boomers went thru that war and all our friends just out of highschool were drafted and killed. But that is OLD NEWS. MCCain-Prissy Palin are living in that ERA. Economics are all we're concerned with right now. Every penny we've saved is going down the drain after 8 years of Bush/McSame. Keating Five; we went thru , just like the CEO's today and McCain economics haven't changed at all. Look at Phil Graham and his connection to Tom Delay, Rove, Chaney and the whole bunch. You need to be scared of PALIN. My vote definately goes to OBAMA/BIDEN. Intelligence is what we need. If you believe the smears and ignorance Palin is preaching, May God help you..

dassis,
PUMA is an acronym for "sore loser". It litterally stands for Party Unity My Ass. Which was an apparent attempt to bully Obama in to picking a NY senator as his running mate. Of course, it was about as effective as the swift boat tactics from the Arizona Senator.

Help is on the way.

The 2 SNL characters, Grumpy Old Man & The Church Lady, are on there way out. I thought Carvey played them better anyway.