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A Note About Comments Being Deleted
October 01, 2008 10:23 AM
Some conservative bloggers have recently written about having their responses deleted from our comments section. They feared it had something to do with their political views.
The concern confused me, because obviously that's not ABC News' policy, and as anyone who regularly reads the comments here can attest, conservatives contribute responses all the time. As do liberals, moderates, etc. etc.
After checking in with the honchos at ABC News.com, and the people in our legal department, I'm told that this was the issue: ABCNews.com deletes user comments which attempt to include a url.
This is the policy only because of abusive spammers who user comment sections and message boards to distribute links containing a range of objectionable material.
Hope this clears matters up.
- jpt
UPDATE: To make this even clearer, I personally do not moderate the comments, nor do I have an assistant who does that. There is an outside company that monitors comments, which ABC News hired. If some of you have had comments deleted in the past that did not contain an outside URL, and were not in other ways a violation of ABC News policy (against profanity, or defamatory attacls, for instance), please post them and tell me when they were deleted and I will forward to the people in charge. The goal of the comments policy is to create a forum for lively but civil debate.
UPDATE 2: Tom, James and MayBee, thanks -- that's very helpful. I am forwarding these to the people in charge, who are then looping in the monitors. I'm not sure what's going on here, but again, I want this to be a place where people of all political stripes can engage in lively, civil debates. For those who've noted that most people don't keep their postings, if you can even give me a basic description of what the blog post was about, and what you said -- as MayBee did -- that's helpful.
FINAL UPDATE: I take very seriously the charge that there are ideological considerations being given to our monitoring blog postings. ABC News takes the charge very seriously as well.
So even though I was on Capitol Hill all day Wednesday covering what is by any measure a far more important story -- the economic crisis -- a bunch of us have spent much of the day reviewing complaints from individuals.
Here's the bottom line: The monitors say those whose complaints about alleged bias we reviewed today have other reasons to blame for their posts being removed, and for being blocked from posting.
I don't want to call out any of the bloggers by name, or even nom-de-plume, but perhaps those complaining can see themselves in the following list.
And for anyone not directly impacted, but concerned about the charge, perhaps this will eludicate the reality behind the charge.
Blogger J -- monitors say you have a habit of not only posting links and directions to non-ABC News video, which is a violation of ABC News policy, but of insulting other commentors, calling them "morons" or "imbeciles" on a regular basis.
Blogger L -- you in the past have had comments unpublished for telling other posters to shut the f up as well as for posting links.
Blogger A -- you have been unpublished many times for making inappropriate comments instructing others to stop having unprotected gay sex
.
Blogger R -- you're generally only unpublished when you and other posters continually attack one another.
Blogger K -- you can't call other posters "scum."
Blogger T -- you need to stop referring to other posters as "Nazis" or "Nazi fascists."
Blogger J -- you often post the same comments numerous times.
Blogger M -- all your posts are up. Maybe you've misplaced them since I tend to blog a lot, but they're there.
Blogger H -- this is not a blog where you are welcome to say that someone's personal code of ethics is like a prostitute’s personal code of virtue. You also sometimes spam.
Posters of all political stripes are more than welcome to contribute lively and civil comments.
Please don't post links to other websites and please try to be civil to one another, and I think this perceived problem should go away.
There are plenty of websites where you can insult each other with impunity. This is not one of them.
Thanks
Jake
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Jake,
I'm raising the BS flag on this. I just had my posts "disappeared" 4 times today. Someone at ABC doesn't like criticism of Obama.
Posted by: sfcmac | May 13, 2009 6:57:28 PM
Young man, your integrity is refreshing and appreciated. It is something that has been missing from the MSM for decades.
For those claiming there is no media bias, it would take from now until eternity to list even half of the ways in which the MSM distorts, twists, manipulates, omits and out right LIES about people and events in their on going support of the dnc and "The Anointed One". As the efforts of the MSM increases exponentially, there will never be an end until they reach the point where a marist/socialist/islamofascit government is in place and then shuts down the MSM as not being in total support of the government.
Because what they see when they choose to ignore the open bias is that such never exists. A small example, when curic was suppose to be "interviewing" Gov. Palin, curic DEMANDED that her staff omit the word "GOVENOR" when referring to Gov. Palin. When questioned on this, curic contacted c bs executives and received approval. BIAS? No, there was no bias. When gibson "interviewed" Gov. Palin, he raised questions about some of her previous comments, when she questioned if she'd used those exact words, gibson LIED and stated, "those exact words". Hmmmm, seems that the TRUTH is alien to him as well.
IF Gov. Palin committed the same gaffs and screw ups that "The Bloviator" committed/commits, the MSM would be all over her like ants on a cube of sugar.
Posted by: TheEnigma47 | Oct 2, 2008 1:51:26 PM
Hi Jake-
I'm the author of the blog post that started this whole thing. On the night or two I was watching, the conservative comments were being deleted with regularity. Some of those comments fit neatly within one of the many categories you've listed above. But many did not, including one comment that still appears on my tiny blog (link omitted per ABC rules). You can add as many updates as you want, and I will never be convinced of anything other than the monitors wanting to create an impression that liberal thought outweighed conservative thought. In that sense, your comment section (at least on the two nights in question) was a microcosm of mainstream media bias - which is especially sad, since I think you're one of the very few who is being fair with your reporting on the presidential campaign.
I wish you would've taken responsibility for what really happened, and vowed to clean it up - rather than line up your defenses - and then conclude by insinuating that the problem was a bunch of idiots talking about gay sex and the like.
It turns out this place is like all the others.
Posted by: ja | Oct 2, 2008 1:26:14 PM
Blogger M -- all your posts are up. Maybe you've misplaced them since I tend to blog a lot, but they're there.
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Jake, I feel like this is perhaps directed at me (as none of the others apply), but I can assure you this is not true. I just checked the Feith post, but I can tell you that I had that comment deleted 3 times before it went up. Terrye's was deleted several times, too.
as for this comment:
MayBee| Aug 11, 2008 2:08:59 PM
It was edited as I said and remains so. I don't know, maybe I was insulting in some way that I don't recall, but I didn't just lose my post in your volume of blogging.
I really do appreciate all of your hard work and you.
I'm not accusing you or anyone at ABC of bias, by the way. I think you do an amazing job.
I still don't think your monitors are being completely straight with you, but I'll drop it.
If they can edit posts, as they obviously can, why don't they just strip out the URLs of otherwise acceptable comments?
Finally, there should be a statement near the comment entry site stating that posts containing URLS will be edited and/or deleted.
That would be helpful.
Thanks again.
Posted by: MayBee | Oct 2, 2008 10:46:14 AM
And, as predicted, my post here was deleted. It criticized the moderators so apparently was considered either obscene or politically incorrect or (ding ding ding! we have a winner!) too true for comfort.
Posted by: marylou | Oct 2, 2008 10:11:26 AM
Nice job Jake. This guidance will help. Thanks
Posted by: SMITH | Oct 2, 2008 9:36:42 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the deleted comment was from your topic, "McCain Camp Rips Obama for Cancelling Troop Visit."
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 2, 2008 9:20:14 AM
I will attempt to resend:
Jake, back on July 24, 2008 for your topic "McCain Camp Rips Obama for Cancelling Troop Visit," the following comment of mine was deleted:
Lee, I consider myself well informed. My problem with Sen. Obama is in part his lack of experience (3 1/2 years a U. S. Senator), but--in my opinion--he is wrong on ALL of the issues. Sen. Obama is in favor of wealth redistribution--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of continuing the ban on offshore drilling, which he says will not do anything to lower the price of gasoline--of which I disagree. Sen. Obama is in favor of womb-to-tomb universal health care--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of amnesty and an expedited path to citizenship for the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of late term abortions--I am pro-life.
Now then you wrote: "...a president (Sen. Obama) they can be proud of not only for his brilliance and accomplishments but more for his character and ability to bring our country together, as he has proven already, behind a common goal."
What accomplishments? Sen. Obama's claim to fame is his speaking talent. He certainly is a great orator...as long as he is reading off the teleprompter.
His character? You are talking about the same Sen. Obama who sat in his church for 20 years and never heard the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach Black Liberation Theology. Yet even after seeing the YouTube clips, Sen. Obama allowed his daughters to remain in that church knowing that they were being indoctrinated with that theology. It wasn't until the YouTube clips of Father Michael Pfleger came to light that Sen. Obama decided to leave the church--not based on theology, but politically motivated.
Ability to bring our country together? So far he hasn't even proven that he can bring the Democratic Party together much less the country.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 2, 2008 9:19:02 AM
Jake, just now I attempted to send a comment of mine that was deleted back on July 24th. I copied and pasted it, but it was blocked (flagged by TypePad's antispam filter).
The first part of my comment was: "Lee, I consider myself well informed. My problem with Sen. Obama is..." After explaining why I am against Sen. Obama, I then responded to several of Lee's comments.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 2, 2008 9:14:02 AM
Jake, back on July 24, 2008 for your topic "McCain Camp Rips Obama for Cancelling Troop Visit," the following comment of mine was deleted:
Lee, I consider myself well informed. My problem with Sen. Obama is in part his lack of experience (3 1/2 years a U. S. Senator), but--in my opinion--he is wrong on ALL of the issues. Sen. Obama is in favor of wealth redistribution--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of continuing the ban on offshore drilling, which he says will not do anything to lower the price of gasoline--of which I disagree. Sen. Obama is in favor of womb-to-tomb universal health care--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of amnesty and an expedited path to citizenship for the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants--which I oppose. Sen. Obama is in favor of late term abortions--I am pro-life.
Now then you wrote: "...a president (Sen. Obama) they can be proud of not only for his brilliance and accomplishments but more for his character and ability to bring our country together, as he has proven already, behind a common goal."
What accomplishments? Sen. Obama's claim to fame is his speaking talent. He certainly is a great orator...as long as he is reading off the teleprompter.
His character? You are talking about the same Sen. Obama who sat in his church for 20 years and never heard the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach Black Liberation Theology. Yet even after seeing the YouTube clips, Sen. Obama allowed his daughters to remain in that church knowing that they were being indoctrinated with that theology. It wasn't until the YouTube clips of Father Michael Pfleger came to light that Sen. Obama decided to leave the church--not based on theology, but politically motivated.
Ability to bring our country together? So far he hasn't even proven that he can bring the Democratic Party together much less the country.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 2, 2008 9:03:57 AM
I posted last night at 11:01 p.m.
it's gone
as I said it would be
I presume this one will be next
Posted by: bruce | Oct 2, 2008 8:57:12 AM
Good grief. Even now my comments are still being deleted. The Obamanists have no shame.
About par for the course. My comment was up for less than ten minutes before being deleted.
Delete count now up to four. Three under NRA related stories and one here. I will save this post, as I expect it will also be deleted. Let's see how many times this evening my comments are deleted on a story about comment deleting!
Posted by: Brad | Oct 2, 2008 1:23:14 AM
I have had three comments deleted, only one of which included a url. All three posts were under stories related to Obama and the NRA. After the last deletion I stopped trying to post comments.
Oddly enough the last comment deleted was nothing more than a statement describing the fact that two of my previous comments had been deleted and asking if I had violated any rules. I got the 'message' that conservative voices were not welcome when that comment was also deleted.
I'm very curious to see if this post will also be deleted.
Posted by: Brad | Oct 2, 2008 12:54:41 AM
Jake:
I too have had comments edited.
Posted by: Rex | Oct 2, 2008 12:23:03 AM
Jake,
Your blog is filtered differently than the other ABC blogs. To the extent that many of us no longer bother to even open or comment as our posts (right, left or middle) are unceremoniously wiped. Worse, I've even had a post of mine EDITED, which completely changed the meaning of my post. These are not just one-time episodes, but a pervasive problem unique to your blog entries.
It is being done in a couple of ways, one is content filtering. The second is IP filtering. Some nights are worse than others. If they instituted the same filtering rules as they do for say, Political Radar, then you wouldn't have as big a problem.
As an aside for the blogs in particular, it may be useful to either require membership or post a portion of the writer's IP address. I think if there were a slight loss of anonymity that the tone of things would improve on here (it is easy to toss insults behind the mask of the internet).
Thanks.
Posted by: MIguy | Oct 1, 2008 10:19:41 PM
I've been spammed-which I don't even know what it is-and deleted. I was deleted months ago for posting comments that are now allowed. I am a Democrat and anti Obama. It's too late for articles like this. It was too late for the Rev. Wright stuff to come out. Obama has serious problems that have NEVER been addressed that I have posted and have been deleted. Does anybody here ever get the feeling they're being watched?
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Oct 1, 2008 9:36:54 PM
IIRC lefty blogs went ballistic when Washington Post deleted their profanity laced diatribes when they accurately reported Democrats took Abramoff money. Now they see nothing wrong with arbitrary comment deletion. Funny how that works.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 | Oct 1, 2008 8:32:17 PM
I had a comment deleted on the Biden's" helicopter forced down" post - it was the first comment on the thread - that simply pointed out that NRO's Media Blog had posted the same issue 2ce. That's all I said. Made no slam. Poof.
I never thought Tapper was able to delete comments realizing a big, complex website doesn't allow for isolated admin privileges. I figured it was a monitoring department.
I do think every site reserves the right to monitor and delete inappropriate comments and content, but it's very interesting a outside service would be policing for certain political views.
Posted by: Timetester | Oct 1, 2008 8:28:49 PM
This is my third screen name for comments on this blog. The other two seem to have been targeted for aggressive censorship.
Posted by: Smith | Oct 1, 2008 8:24:58 PM
Ryan-- heh heh..
That's my only explanation!
Posted by: Wade | Oct 1, 2008 7:52:10 PM
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