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Joe Biden is like a man in the barber shop talking about what he knows, stretching what happened to make it sound better.

If he did what Clinton did in the primary saying she was shot at in Bosnia, then I don't know if he has been paying attention.

Even with Joe Biden's visions of grandeur, I don't see him doing 1/10th of the stuff the media allowed Cheney to get away with.

Who cares? In football terms, Joe Biden is Mr. Irrelevant.

Jake -

Why are you posting accusations made by anonymous e-mailers? People read your blog. So, you need to be a lot more responsible.

"Hannity" "Greta"--- yeah, right, folks. Those are screen names for folks pushing the democratic talking points? Would not surprise me if you two lovelies were one and the same.

Sorry, Greta, but your snide remarks on the level of sophistication that Palin displayed are just not based on facts. She has good judgment and good instincts, which are things you cannot teach. She has a solid understanding of the issues and her grasp of the details and nuances will continue to grow as she continues to campaign and then to govern.

Hannity, do you take online polls seriously as a general rule? I remember when every poll after Republican debates would reveal that Ron Paul was the clear winner. I took that result with a grain of salt, as I do the result you cited in your post.

POLL at the FOX News Politics page -

Who won the vice presidential debate Thursday?

Sarah Palin 39%
Joe Biden 61%

Palin's "ideas" on America are at a grocery shop level. That's fine with me. Good for her.

But, the White House, America and the world stage are no grocery shops, thank God.

Biden was a generous and worthy statesman last night.

Palin was a chihuahua begging for attention.

Biden reduced to a grimacing, squinting shell of a loser.

Interesting-- a new Biden fib I had not heard before. Not that it surprises me, since Biden seems driven to inflate his own importance on a regular basis. And he went on to launch several new whoopers last night, like the NATO and Hezbollah nonsense. People on these boards want to push the meme that Biden's responses were heavy on facts, but I don't think you can call them facts when so many of them were fabricated, confused, or stretched. I am not terribly impressed with the Senator from MBNA.

The wind-up doll Palin sportscasted the whole thing. "I wanna send a shout out" "Americans are craving it"

She acted like a child compared to Biden.

Palin to Katie Kouric:
I am the new face, the new
energy and the fountain of
new ideas.
..........................

Maybe. But she lacks the
knowledge and the brains
to become Vice President.

Gov. Palin referred to the middle americans as soccer moms and six-pack joe. Does she see all middle class men as beer drinking joes or did I miss something? Also she called herself a middle class american, shes a multi millionaire don't know any middle class millionaires.She also said that she had or has a diversified cabinet on her Gov. staff, but if you ask the blacks how many afro americans are on her staff or cabinet, they will tell you may tow or three. Ask them about their relationship with Gov. Palin and they will reply what relationship?

Posted by Early: Oct.3,2008, 12:48 AM

Joe Biden carried this debate, without question! He was articulate , knowledgeable, assertive, well reasoned and well spoken. He made his points clearly and convincingly. He reminded me why his ticket is the better choice for the country. He showed me, without question that he would be an excellent and effective Vice president, an asset to an Obama administration and to the American people, and ready to serve as president if the need arose. Sen. Biden , it is great to finally get to hear you debate.

Palin was as fresh as yesterday's
newspaper.

The fact checkers are going to have a blast with Biden tomorrow: The blovator was at it again tonight ... BIGTIME. Tonight he's for clean coal but two weeks ago he said the Obama team is against it. He says he didn't really mean to authorize a war in Iraq when he voted for the original war resolution. He says Hezbollah was kicked out of Lebanon when no such a thing ever happened. With all of Biden's hot air, no wonder why there's a problem with global warming.

She knows nothing about any
subject.

Why is she running for a job
that is beyond her knowledge
and abilities?

what liberal statement?
you said he looked freaky, like he had botox,- i just thought i would share a true fact.
not botox, surgery

you did ask if anyone else noticed.

so if you are more comfortable saying he had botox, ok, and if it had been botox, what a messed up job they did.

Lets ditch Obama & McCain and push a write in ticket of Palin-Biden...a fresh approached with an experienced foundation!!!

the thing we should keep in mind is biden and obama are running in 08, and trying very hard to make sure things do not turn out as they did in 2000 and 2004.
this time around the smart ones need to win. for the countries sake.

and john mccain has not been a mavrick when it comes to the issues that affect the middle class people sitting around that kitchen sink.

anytime you hear a mccain and palin really believing the hype about the labels and slogans they are using in their campaign-is a sure sign they are not very deep thinkers, hey, they are just like me and you, and we all know i or anyone of you are qualified to be vp or potus.
but my children sing in a choir.
YEA!

CHOIR MOMS ROCK!
COME ON PEOPLE I AM JUST LIKE YOU.
choir mom 2012!

Palin was warm, fresh, funny, confident, energetic, personable,
relentless, and on message. She roasted Obama's flip-flops on the surge and tea-with-dictators declarations and dinged Biden's bash-Bush rhetoric

Vanessa,
Tell the truth, those are predominately Democrats that were polled, just like in the last debate. I'd like to see you poll Hillary Clinton supporters and they'll give both debates to McCain/Palin, myself included.

j--really? And all the liberals made such a big deal about McCain's health and the scar on his face.

Maybe Biden isn't fit enough to be VP, he could have another Aneurysm.

See how the liberal statements can be turned around?

In a recent interview with
Katie Kouric moose-mom
could not even name a single
major national newspaper that
she actually reads on a regular
basis.

The Republican party is
a severely dumbed down
political outfit. That's why
it has put up incompetent
and unworthy candidates like
McCain and Palin.

ryaple,
How does quoting a pundit like Gergen verbatim without giving the guy credit somehow give credibility to your argument. Fact is the Obama campaign has been in perpetual put-down modality targeting Sarah Palin for the last 5 weeks, denouncing her as a buffoon, and yet she kept pace with a U.S. Senator of 35 years, and successfully managed to get all up in his face, with a cheerful smile all the while. She was a class act, and all Biden did was to steer clear of his usual policy wonkedness. Biden was not the least bit impressive.

Have you not seen the polls?

CNN Biden 51 Palin 36
CBS Biden 51 Palin 24

The Obama team: 2-0

Let's move the party to Jake's new post "Fact Checking."

0bama and Biden think they're running in 2000 or 2004. That's all they keep talking about.

At 11.25 am on December the 22nd, the Germans ask the Commander at Bastogne to surrender. General McAuliffe's answer, though short, was heard loud and clear and became the rallying cry that echoed throughout the military and the world.. The message was simply "NUTS"

This election is one for the history books however the outcome...my response to anything other than the election of Obama-Biden is simply this, "FUDGE".

tonight palin did better than she did with katie c. but she did not prove she could be vp, and surely not potus.

but she did do a lot better in debate than george bush did.

at least the media did not hound biden to "dummy down" as they did with gore when he had to debate bush.
gore dum down-and bush was still a mess.
but bush won, because the average american said "he is just like me, he is the guy i would want to have a beer with"

Debate analysis is hilarious on these networks! Fox will support McCain, but does have divergent opinons to argue and debate. MSNBC will have Mr. Profile shot Olberbore and that other "guy" Maddow on. They never have opposing views on their shows. Olbermann can't take a debate on the issues, h would not even go to the rep. convention. He is the biggest blowhard wimp! Biden reminds me of that guy you meet is always trying to tell you about that big fish he caught even know he doesn't own a pole! Regardless of your politics Mccain and Palin are more common folk and people you could have a beer with and share a joke. Obama and Biden are stiff with no sense of humor at all! I don't think biden is corrupt like Obama, but he's a northeastern elitist who thinks govt. will best spend your money! Lets see what 850 billion dollars will get us!

s adams,
it is not botox, biden had a tumor on the brain, and had surgery.
the scar near the eye is from the surgery.

but what does that have to do with the price of gas? or anything else for that matter.

No, she was speaking directly to the American viewer and we felt that.

Biden thought the teleprompter would show up on his shoe.

Palin can't the mustard. She
doesn't have it. She wasn't
at all impressive in the
debate. She may be OK for
the dumbed down Republican
Party members.

For a minute i thought palin was reading from a teleprompter.
you can tell she had been coached, and was remembering her talking points.

Gosh Darn it, McPalin needs to go.
I hope mccain will soon give up pa, and ohio, as he did michigan.

How about this gaffe from tonight's debate (one of many): Biden stated with great pomposity and authority that Hezbollah had been kicked out of Lebanon and implied that the Bush administration had bungled and let them back in. WHAT?!? In your mind maybe, Joe Biden. Hezbollah has never been kicked out of Lebanon. In fact, that was one of Israel's objectives in the war two years ago but they failed. And this guy is a foreign policy expert?!!?

Foregin Policy is supposed to Biden's greatest asset for the ticket. Palin mocked Biden/Obama in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Palin rocks

Biden did not know what hit him. Let Sarah be Sarah - McCain Handlers need to leave her alone. let her go to the people.

The 36 years in senate made Joe Biden a genius - give me a break - stretching the truth is all he has done. The Gaffe Master - shot in Afghanistan, FDR on TV are some of it.

Better than that - who has visited all the 57 states in USA - Only Barack.

what a pair

You don't have to have the title like Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to show your experience in foreign affairs. Of course, with such a title one would expect to at least hold one session before getting bored and running for president, but I digress.

It does take conviction, patriotism and a willingness to do what is necessary regardless of what group you're talking to or what party you are. Of course, McCain could always hire Obama's 300 out of work advisers if he gets into a jam.

Biden made a minimum of 10 straight up bald -faced lies.

The only problem is that Biden's such a buffoon and makes crap up as he goes along, it might not be deliberate lies, just Joe being the moron that he is.

The BAILOUT!! I agree with the earlier post. We need to FIRE every bonehead Senator that voted for the trillion dollar bailout. And the House votes tomorrow. Fire those that vote for it too!! Democrat or Replublican!! The debt will only delay the carnage, not prevent it. Japan's recession lasted a decade because the government kept interferring. Yes, my 401 has lost money just like everyone's, but let's get back to expansion!! Let the dog die, and let's move on. My Georgia Senators didn't listen and I will fire them come November. I hope the Representatives listen to the warning! At a trillion dollars, that is enough money to give each homeowner $92,000. I will stand by my mailbox for my check...oh wait, I am not an overpaid wall street zillionaire....

now that debate is over, evryone knows she's stupid, didn't answer questions, I quess you can only cram so much into to something so small...

And what was on Palin's nose. It looked darker than the rest of her face. Anyone else notice that. It was weird looking.

Bidens been lyin all through this race. Why would he change for the debate? Tomorrow the fact checkers will be reporting. I wonder who will be caught in more lies, Obama (7) or Biden?

I was shot at today....they missed, the rubber band went high. It's nice to see something balanced Jake....bravo. And I'm not voting for McCain or Obama....that bailout is criminal! Oh, yea, Rome starts to burn tommorrow. Call you congressman! Immediately! 250 economist's say the bailout is not right. (only if they supply the tin cup for begging)

Emm, that is not foreign policy experience. You laugh at Biden for talking about his experience. So what is McCain's. Or should we laugh at his as well.

I have a question for Biden. Did you use Botox on your eyes before the debate? Very freaky. You scare me just looking at you.

0bama claimed at the last debate and now Biden claimed again that 0bama spoke out about the sub-prime abuse of Fannie and Freddie 2 years ago.

Would come enterprising reporter fact check that? Because to me, it sure sounds like a bald-faced lie.

He knows enough not to meet insane foreign leaders without having preconditions, but that doesn't have anything to do with the first part of my answer about Biden making up things that he hopes no one will challenge.

But I guess the "hey, look over there', bat and switch tactic does work on some people.

You are so correct. I support the ticket of course, but yes, I am laughing my *** off! "Foreign policy expert..." lol!!!

The debate was at best a tie, unless you want to weigh experience then it probably falls to Palin, but only on expectation. They both had some mis inforamtion mostly though that falls to debating on your feet...they were pretty even up. As far as attacking Palins "wealth"...that is total worth, its been talked about for a couple days now. And a large majority of people in Alaska own a plane or two. Its kind of how you get around up there. You show me a governor whose net worth isnt a million plus and I will show you someone who shouldnt be leading a state much less the nation. They're financial success is a major qualifier!!! and also just so you are educated further...The median 4 bedroom house price in Ancorage Alaska is over $360,000 that kind of punches ones total worth up there pretty quick. I hope the governor of a state is at least average hopefully above average when it comes to their ability to create wealth. I mean lets face it nobody wants to vote for their debt ridden uncle who really does have the answers to all of Americas problems, simply because he cant apply the knowledge he has...We want people who are successful!!!

take him at his "foreign policy expert" word.

Emm, how is McCain more experienced in foreign policy than Biden. And don't tell me because he was a pow.

What?

That's just Joe, making up stuff as he goes along, hoping nobody will notice and take him at his "foreign policy expert" word.

He looked more like the spoiled A student who partied the night away before a final exam and then bombing on it the next day.

The question is? Sarah Palin proved she is ready to be the next vice president? The answer is: NO
The question is: was she able to answer accurately on questions made by the moderator?
The answer is simply NO: She was using time after time such irrelevant talking points.
The question is: did she make independent voters change their minds and vote for John McCain? I don’t think so!

I liked it when Biden, the Foreign Policy Expert, claimed Hezbollah has been kicked out of Lebanon.

Something happen during the debate that no one else knew about?

LOL. MEN!!!
He didn;t say that he had been shot at, nor did he catch a fish this big....he had been forced down. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Snow storm forced them down. The truth.
Forced down does not always insinuate being forced down by the enemy. Get some GI Joes will ya? Then you can make up stuff all day long.

Jake,

I hope you detail all the falsehoods made by Biden tonight.

The McCain ship has been sinking for so long that you boobs are trying to spin it into being a submarine.

What is up with all the "she is a millionaire" posts?!? If you numbskulls were to actually do your homework, you would know that she wasn't always that way. Neither was her husband. But through hard-work, effort and energy, she became one. Stop being so envious of her results, and start looking at your own life. Maybe you haters can learn something from her rise to wealth and fame. Like it or not, the Palin's are millionaires....how about you??

this is off topic as this relates to the debate this evening.

My take...Sarah Pallin proved tonight that she is no Dan Quayle. And Bush sr. and Dan Quayle won their race.

Her grammar is atrocious, her knowledge of most of the questions asked sketchy but she did bettter than most thought she would ever do. And she is no Dan Quayle.

How this plays out is up for debate but tonight America saw the two who could possibly be President.

Getting most Americans to think with their brains and not their hearts is what will decide this election.

Palin is a phenomena, but no way would I vote for her.

Palin did her best to stick to things she had memorized...the same stuff we've been hearing from McCain. Who is she trying to kid??? She is definitely NOT like me..or anyone I know...her family is not like mine. I've always had health care...but I'm not making an income like that!!!

"Gloom and doom?" Have you happened to read a newspaper the past two weeks? You don't have to name the paper - but things are looking awfully rough here for most Americans - but apparently not for millionaire Sarah Palin (the actual surprize of the night -she finally released her financial records - which she refused to do before the debate) and multi-millionaire McCain.

You said it, Jen. Mara thinks we should redistribute all Palin's hard earned money to the poor and leave Obama keep is illegally gotten 4.2 million that he made last year alone.

Concerned in Ohio = Ask Sarah. She's a millionaire. She just didn't seem to be able to gather the information until after her debate performance - as every woman USA - that's right - every woman in America is a millionaire, with two vacation homes. What an imposter.

Palin lied her way through the entire debate - just like I thought she would. How do you know Sarah Palin is lying? Her lips are moving.

No wonder poor, every day Sarah didn't release her financial accounts until after the debate - she's a millionaire - with a plane, two vacation homes, an income 5 times higher than most Alaskans, and a husband who who is on leave from British Petroleum. This is an every day gal? Do a lot of people in Michigan or the Ohio River Valley have planes of their own and husbands who work in the petroleum industry? What an imposter.

You know every time she caught him in a lie or misrepresentation, he'd always smile and look back and forth to the moderator then to the camera then to Palin, like "Oh, no, they caught me."

She was on the offensive the entire 90 mins, always throwing back anything Biden would say that was incorrect right back at him. And STILL managed to deliver a coherent and detailed insight in her personal and professional experience, AND promote McCain. Everything she was supposed to do.

Posted by: Emm | Oct 2, 2008 11:10:59 PM

I noticed this too....like a kid who stole a piece of candy in a candy shop! Palin clearly won this debate!

Palin held her own and beat a 25 yr vetern senator. Bye,Bye, Joe and idiot Obama! Palin spoke to Americans...Biden spoke to Washington!

Palin took it to the elist snobs in the media and spoke directly to the people. Can't wait to see the ratings cause anybody who saw her had to be impressed. Hilliary somewhere is smiling. Bad news for Obama!

You know every time she caught him in a lie or misrepresentation, he'd always smile and look back and forth to the moderator then to the camera then to Palin, like "Oh, no, they caught me."

She was on the offensive the entire 90 mins, always throwing back anything Biden would say that was incorrect right back at him. And STILL managed to deliver a coherent and detailed insight in her personal and professional experience, AND promote McCain. Everything she was supposed to do.

Were Biden's misstatements lies, gaffes or he didn't know what he was talking about?

"P.S. Did you really not see her avoid questions and move directly to talking points?"

Of course Palin left too many issues unchallenged and dodged some questions completely. She's a dope, remember? She's the laughing stock of this election, right?

Or maybe she lacks the ability to look into the camera and spew forth bald faced lies like her counterpart. Perhaps she will learn over time. At least she's learned since the Couric interview to jump over to a talking point when you don't have the proper ammunition. It's all about expectations, and when Biden was feeling his oats there he started to stray off the reservation.

Biden said we should poll his neighbors in their million dollar homes how bad off they are.

Is anyone in a million dollar home bad off?

Sinking ship eh. I think some would disagree with you.

It's funny how the Obama camp thought our new VP Sarah Palin was going down.................funny how she stood up to a 32 yr lobbyist and did very well!!!
Looking forward to Our new Press Mccain and VP Palin

"I never realized what a snot Palin is before. Her performance reminded me of Monty Pythons 'Upper Class Twit of the Year' skit"

What's the matter, Mike? Never dated a hot chick? A little resentment there?

Biden reminded me of one of the street preachers in "Life of Brian" screaming about gloom and doom that the people walk by and regard as some odd curiosity of a bygone day.

It's funny to see the conservative bloggers try to overrun these blogs with non-sensical posts. It wasn't even close. Joe Biden gave the debate performance of his life. Substantive, respectful, understanding, and he managed to form complete sentences.

P.S. Did you really not see her avoid questions and move directly to talking points?

He accepted the 1st mate position on a sinking ship.

There was little or no content in most of Palin's message. It was the same broken record lacking specifics. At least Joe was able to give a specific glimpse in his stance. I can believe that you think Palin won that debate. She was caught off guard several times and couldn't get away from the same script. Also, why wont the McCain Campaign answer questions about bank de-regulation.

Emm, how is Biden stupid.

Fred Thompson is rattling off six or seven flat out Biden lies from Bosnia to the War Powers resolution to McCain's voting record and on and on. Not gaffes, lies.

Absolutely this was Palin's hour or so. Left Biden looking pale.

I see why FOX has larger share of the audience. They have no competition for the conservative vote. The others have to split the libs. Very shrewd. In my opinion, Biden had smoother delivery, but Palin came across as a regular person. Biden was typical politician. Folks are pretty mad at typical politicians right now.

Wait a minute, Biden was shot at in Iraq? That trumps Clinton's claim of having to duck and cover at an airport in Bosnia, for which she was duly and completely roasted by the media. Let's be fair hear boys.

Did you see the debate. Fact is, Joe Biden has 30+ years of debate in the Senate, yet this young maverick from Alaska somehow managed to match him stride for stride. Maybe McCain's got some insight that the rest of us are starting to see.

WooHoo! Game on!

We should take Joe up on his word and go poll his neighborhood about how bad things are for them. His neighborhood of $5M homes... Then swing down to Home Depot where all those millionaires go hang out and shoot the breeze about politics.

Palin was great! and I was impressed with her responses and composure. Biden did a fine job...I do not see a decisive winner, but you just have to appreciate Palin

lol Jesse, I know no such thing. Well I do know that Biden held back otherwise they would have said he was being mean to her lol. She tried to bait him and he didn't take it. He was cool and calm. Palin was good but she didn't always answer the question. She had the republican talking points which she stuck to very well.

I never realized what a snot Palin is before. Her performance reminded me of Monty Pythons 'Upper Class Twit of the Year' skit.

Both CNN and FOX are interviewing dozens of undecided idiots about how they felt about the debate. When all is said and done, these folks will decide the next president.

"I'm fed up with the whole thing."

"She made me feel patriotic."

"I just like all of his answers, you know the economy and all that."

"I think Sarah Palin was able to regain ... regain ... restore the confidence."

Sheeesh. Kinda takes the fun out of all of this.