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Ted....

I'm assuming that you're talking about this article?

"Unhealthy Solutions: Private Insurance, High Costs and the Denial of Care"

Excellent reading, looks like I'll be spending some time there and getting acquainted with what they have written.

May I take a moment and recommend that anyone concerned with the future of our healthcare head on over to MULTINATIONAL MONITOR and do a little reading...it's only a suggestion.

A THANK YOU goes out to Ted for his recommendation.

As for the Health-Care plan comparison between O. and Mc., I would recommend everyone goes to "MULTINATIONAL MONITOR" which is published by the Not-For-Profit organization. It can be better to rely on the field's experts rather than voicing-up our own opinions.

McCain said that he hates war but wasn't going to wave a white flag of surrender. If we did that, then we may as well give up America and our freedom.I feel that McCain is the better man for this job of president. He has more experience. What kind of experience does Obama have except talking? You talk of the lesser evil, well, I feel that McCain is the lesser evil. I don't care for either person, but I'm picking McCain. Obama sounds to much like Hitler.

Okay, points take.

So I take it you'd rather then be involved in a war we'll never see the end of? Because the last time I checked, before our economy had gone south of the toilet the majority of the country, Republicans as well as Democrats had grown sick and tired of this contrived war all brought about by one man and last I heard McCain was more than happy to remain there unless he's said something that I'm not aware of. At least with Obama we have some hope of finally seeing an end in Iraq.

I've got news for you...if McCain does get elected you're not going to be very happy with the healthplan you think you're going to get with him as President. I'd rather have the lesser of two evils and considering what we've gotten from our dictator over the last eight years I'm surprised that anyone would be voting for McCain. But hey, you're entitled to your vote.

All of you better hope that this so called bail-out plan works and works fast or healthplans will be the last thing you'll have to worry about.

Obama is only getting the stones thrown back at him that his campaign and the democrats started throwing six weeks ago when John McCain announced Sarah Palin as his running mate! The democrats started this war! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! They will get the stones thrown right back at them and their glass house will shatter around them!

Hansi: Obama is not so smart! He only THINKS he's smart! The fact that he's Harvard educated doesn't mean a thing to me! I know many people who didn't go to college at all and are smarter than he is! Barack Obama is just a fast talking con man who goes around making promises that he knows he can't keep! He has a lot of people fooled, like you, but not me. I see him for what he really is!

Okay so I was a little off on my response on healthcare. I still think McCain's plan is better and I do believe that we will be taxed out the rear but, I think more so on Obama's health plan. I need more than just basic healthcare. I want to be able to choose the plan I want and need to have.
I also feel that Sarah Palin will fight to help the middle class.

Oh, I was a Democrat but I'm voting for McCain.

McCain/Palin 2008

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

This is for "Hansi" and "me":

Do you think that Obama is going to give you free health insurance?? Or McCain for that matter? Nothing is free or cheap anymore. Everyone is going to be taxed out the butt for all of it in the very end. Then everyone will wonder 'where the heck did my money go?'
AND in that case, I would rather choose my own health insurance. Like one of you said 'not everyone's health problems are the same'. Some people have special Doctors that they see that does not come under "basic healthcare".
I, for one, like McCains health plan better than Obama's. AND I WAS A DEMOCRAT. NOT ANYMORE.

truthbetold......

I'm sorry, my post wasn't meant for you....it was meant for "me".

You of course were correct with your post!!

Take care and apologies...Hansi

truthbetold....you wrote this in your post:

"People need to pay more attention to what is being said or you might regret who you vote for." Although it may have been well intentioned you're wrong. Something I'm seeing a lot of coming from the Republicans....

Mr. McCain (I have to say it that way...I have been censored now twice by someone on this blog who has that power to do so but doesn't have the decency to e-mail me telling me so) isn't going to give you $5,000.00 for healthcare. He wants to give you a CREDIT....A big difference between the two. Here is just something that I pulled from somewhere, kind of what you did but incorrectly. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, there is just so much out there that is being said by so many people it could take years to go through.

"Let's start with the one hard proposal McCain has made: he would tax employer-sponsored health insurance and create new tax credits--$5000 for a family and $2500 for an individual--for people who buy their own insurance. This means that workers would have to pay taxes on the value of health benefits they received from employers. This is explicitly an attempt to kill the existing system of employer-provided care by dramatically increasing taxes on workers.

How would this work out for the typical worker? Consider this information from the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation study of health care costs:

In 2007, for a family the average total premium for a health care plan was $12,106, with $8824 paid by the employer. Let's say the McCain plan is enacted. What would happen to that average family if the employer continued to provide coverage (Scenario 1)? For a married couple filing jointly with income $63K-128K, the marginal tax rate is 25%, so they would face a tax increase of $2406 (25% of $8824).

But of course the intent of the McCain plan is to kill the employer-provided system. So let's say the McCain program is adopted and your employer drops your family's coverage (Scenario 2). What would happen? You would now have to foot the complete $12,106 bill for coverage, a $8825 increase over the employee-portion you're currently paying. This would be offset by a $5000 tax credit. So net, you would end up paying $3325 ($8825-$5000) more for your health care."

See how things can be taken out of context. Could you imagine how much money we're talking about if he wanted to give $5,000.00 to married couples and $2,500.00 to singles.

Obama/Biden 2008

To older woman for change: McCain is wanting to give $5,000 healthcare to all families, not to companies. You, among others, are obviously not paying that much attention to what he is saying. His healthcare plans are 100% better than Obamas healthcare plans. With Obama's plan you WON'T be able to choose what kind you want to have; it will just be the basics. With McCain's plan you will be able to choose the kind of health insurance you want or need. Not everyone's health is the same, so you would want to choose which would benefit you better.
Sarah Palin is of Middle class, just like all of us. Their income last year was under $167,000 and the year before that was under $125,000. So yes she is out to help the middle class people unlike Obama. Obama's family income is at about $400,000or more. THAT is NOT middle class. That is rich. People need to pay more attention to what is being said or you might regret who you vote for. As for medicare or medicaid, I heard that Obama is the one who wants to cut that. Obama wants to "raise taxes on companies/peopl who make over $200 or &250 thousand. Well, the ones who may make that might be just barely getting there and they will lay off people to make up for it. That will make the economy worse, not better. Obama is just a better speaker and that is all people hear. I believe that McCain/Palin really care about the people and America. Obama is just Obama; always wanting more to benefit himself.

Obama is attacking McCain's character because he has no good solutions to offer the American people.
He has hurt his chances by being involved with Ayers and is desperately trying to ignore that fact
and so is fighting dirty now.
Barack Obama, a true american hater and liar, is thinking of himself first and is already planning on what he will do for himself with our money.
True christian and faithful people will be stupid to vote for Obama who is for raising taxes on everything to benefit himself.

Barack Hussein Obama actively sought and received the stamp of approval of a Marxist third party that operated briefly in Chicago between 1992 and 1998.

The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials -- most often Democrats. The New Party's short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.

Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party's Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.

I feel sorry for the lowly Republicans and the Christian hypocrites that are holding on for some sort of miracle from the old fart and the mouthpiece in pumps.

They are like fish out of water; flopping around on land using smear tactics to try and discredit Obama. They've got nothing else and besides, it's what they do best!

carlyonsue....the Democrats won't have to wait until the next morning to know that Obama has been elected President. What is it that bothers you most about Obama? Is it the fact that he's a Democrat and is much smarter than anything the Republicans could come up with? Or, is it the fact that he's a Democrat, an African American and is much smarter than anything the Republicans could come up with? Obama must really frighten the Republicans...finally we have someone who will stand up to the Republican B.S. machine who will not cower in the corner with his tail between his legs. Only people who are in fear of losing start resorting to cowardly smear tactics and the Republicans have the perfect mouthpiece for it...

I can hardly wait until the morning after the election when all of you Obama supporters will be crying in your Cheerios! You think that Obama has this election tied up and won already but I think you are in for a awful shock when the votes start rolling in on election night! We Christian conservatives are a very large, formidable group and we will be voting in record numbers this time! We are not about to let the most unqualified, inexperienced, liberal, far left senator in the US Senate be elected president!

McSame is attacking Obama's character because he has no solutions to offer the American people.
He has completely wrecked his chances by putting Barbie Doll Palin on his ticket. McCain is desperate
and so is fighting dirty now. This is exactly what Bush did to him in 2000. It won't work this time.

John mccain a true american traitor putting himself first before his own country.
ask american pows they have nothing but having shame and be offended by him while knowing that he was cracked and
gave up his country to communists playing in movie against his own country.
american enemy may want this coward and crook as president but real american heroes not.
true christian and faithful person will be stupid to vote for mccheater who has admitted adultery, since voting for him as same as endorsing adultery.

CAREFUL PALIN WHEN YOU ATTACK, YOU BETTER INCLUDE HUBBY !!!! YOU LIED ON OBAMA, BUT THE COMMENTS ON YOUR HUBBY IS THE TRUTH. THE POT LYING ON THE KETTLE AND KETTLE COMING BACK WITH A BITE OF THE TRUTH !!!!
TODD PALIN, THE FIRST DUDE IS APART OF AN TERRORIST PARTY. SARAH PALIN THE DENSE LIAR AND IDIOT.
Todd Palin was apart of this Alaskan Independence Party up until 2008. Sarah Palin recorded a video showing Todd being apart of this group this year. During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence. He also claimed to have organized the meeting which led to the formation of the Libertarian Party in Alaska. The AIP and AFI, as Vogler explained, were intended to function as strictly separate entities — AIP primarily to explore whether the 1956 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal, and AFI primarily to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[1] [2]
Todd Palin first registered to vote in 1989. From 1995 to 2002 he was registered to vote as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.[11] In late August 2008, The Politico reported that Palin was registered to vote as an independent ("undeclared"), and had never registered as a Republican.[12]

FRESH OFF THE PRESS AND THE TRUTH !!!
TODD PALIN, THE FIRST DUDE IS APART OF AN TERRORIST PARTY. SARAH PALIN THE DENSE LIAR AND IDIOT.
Todd Palin was apart of this Alaskan Independence Party up until 2008. Sarah Palin recorded a video showing Todd being apart of this group this year. During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence. He also claimed to have organized the meeting which led to the formation of the Libertarian Party in Alaska. The AIP and AFI, as Vogler explained, were intended to function as strictly separate entities — AIP primarily to explore whether the 1956 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal, and AFI primarily to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[1] [2]
Todd Palin first registered to vote in 1989. From 1995 to 2002 he was registered to vote as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.[11] In late August 2008, The Politico reported that Palin was registered to vote as an independent ("undeclared"), and had never registered as a Republican.[12]

McCain's wants to Cut 1.3 Trillion Dollars from Medicaid and Medicare to finance his 300 Billion dollar tax cuts for Corporations and the top 10% richest taxpapers. Give $5,000.00 healthcare to the companies and have to pay tax for receiving this little bit of coverage. McCain's Campaign Manager has confirmed this information is true. WHAT???? That Is Not Cutting The Fat. That Is Cutting Our Families Who Have Worked Hard All Their Lives.
Bush/McCain have ignored the American people and our suffering for 8 years and on November 4th, the American people will finally have their say and ignore them. OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 When America Fights Back !!!! Enough is Enough !!!!

WHO IS PALIN?? SHE IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ABUSE OF AUTHORITY. SHE STOLE OVER $44,000 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY PAYING HERSELF PER DIEMS TO STAY AT HOME. SINCE SHE HAS RELEASED HER TAX RETURNS, SHE HAS ALSO APPARENTLY CHEATED THE IRS OR WE ALL SHOULD GET HER TAX PREPARER. SHE FIRED A LIBRARIAN. SHE FIRED A GOOD WORKER MONEGAN FOR A PERSONAL VENDETTA. SHE HIRED HER WASILLA CLASSMATES IN TOP ROLES IN HER ADMINISTRATION. BASICALLY SHE IS CRAZY AND A CROOK.

PALIN AND MCCAIN, ONE WHO HAS BEEN FOUND CORRUPT AND NAMED AS ONE OF THE KEATING 5 AND PALIN WHO IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR CORRUPTION BY ABUSING HER AUTHORITY IS ATTACKING WHO? NOT OBAMA, BUT SOMEONE WHO OBAMA LIVED NEAR AND WHO IS A PROFESSOR AT A UNIVERSITY. THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY HAVE DONE CRIMES, BUT IT WAS IN THE SIXTIES WHEN OBAMA WAS 8 YEARS OLD. YOU DESPERATE, IGNORANT, PITIFUL CANDIDATES. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED ENOUGH TO RUN A DOG KENNEL, NO OFFENSE TO DOGS, YET ALONE A COUNTRY.

CAN YOU SEE PALIN IN A ROOM WITH NATIONAL LEADERS WITHOUT A SCRIPT IS FRIGHTENING. CAN YOU SEE HER ASKING PUTTIN, "CAN I CALL YOU POOT". WE WOULD BE THE LAUGHING STOCK AND JOKE OF THE WORLD.

JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN – NOT COUNTRY FIRST, NOT AMERICANS FIRST.
DESPERATE, PITIFUL, ANGRY OLD MCCAIN

ABANDONED AMERICA FOR EIGHT YEARS
MCCAIN IS NOW ABANDONING AMERICAN WHEN THEY NEED HIM THE MOST FOR LIES AND SWINGBOAT SMEAR GAMES.

MCCAIN IS HANGING AMERICA OUT TO DRY AND FOCUSING ON LIES
AND SMEARS

MCCAIN IS NOT HELPING AMERICA WITH STRATEGIES AND IDEAS TO HELP BECAUSE HE HAS NONE !!!!

AMERICA’S FINANCIAL ECONOMY IS IN RUIN FROM THE 26 YEARS OF DEREGULATION AND 8 YEARS OF BUSH, 159,000 JOBS LOST FOR THE 9TH STRAIGHT MONTH OF JOB LOSSES, HEALTHCARE COVERAGE IS DOWN,
10,000 FORECLOSURES A DAY, 401K’S ARE DOWN, AND MCCAIN AND
PALIN WANT TO ATTACK OBAMA WITH LIES AND NEGATIVE ADS AND
PERSONAL ATTACKS WHILE AMERICA SUFFERS !!!!!!

AS YOU HOLLAR FOR HELP, MCCAIN IGNORES YOU AND INSTEAD GO FULL FORCE ON SMEARS. MCCAIN DOES NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT COUNTRY OR ABOUT ANY OF US.

EIGHT YEARS OF IGNORING AMERICA. ON NOVEMBER 4TH WE WILL IGNORE YOU AND PALIN.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 – WHEN AMERICA FIGHTS BACK.

BEYOND EMBASSING, MCCAIN IS PATHETIC !!!
First The Savings and Loan and Now Wall Street. No Maverick. Corrupt McCain.
From the Wikipedia. Unlike McCain’s Lies, This is The Truth. Same McCain, Different Failure. Our Country cannot afford McCain/Palin.
The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).
The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.

McCains and Palins ideas are way better than Obama's. I used to like the democrat side but lately it is not what it used to be. It was not only Bush that got us into this mess on the economy, it was the democratic congress. Obama seems to have a lot of you hypnotized. Wake up. I didn't vote for Bush but I will vote for McCain/Palin.

Change2008....
And your point is?
Playing this guilt by association game can get dangerous for both sides...I certainly think that if pushed hard enough it will hurt McCain / Palin more than it will Obama / Biden

The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

THE STATE OF THE VOTERS IN OUR COUNTRY IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!
I heard some time ago from a European Guest Professor that ‘the average Americans are idiots’
I was offended by that remark at that time.
But now I am convinced that he was true 100% and more.
My reason: Average Americans falling in mass for McCain’s gimmick of Palin.
There is no other explanation why Palin should get this much attention. In any country on this planet Palin would have been dismissed the very next day as a ‘hail-mary-pass’ from McCain, which is really the truth.
Palin’s executive experience:
There are about 50+ civic or professional organizations in this country with 10,000 or more membership (AMA, NACP, trade unions, etc., etc.), with budgets more than the city that Palin managed as a Mayor!!!! — Now anybody with at least a peanut brain can figure out the gimmick of Palin!!
Note:
An idiot may be defined as one who can not think for self, and just follows somebody else all the time. There is a large population of our country that fit perfectly under this definition.

No one gives a crap about Ayers and/or Wright, both are old news.
Only folks that care, are bitter Republicans who know the end is near.
To be honest no one gives a crap about Keating 5 either.
I want to know what these candidates are going to do for the ecomony.
I want to know how will I continue to pay my mortgage and fill up my tank.

Lets talk about how Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld defended the $484 Million
he's made in salary and bonuses since 2000. Lets talk about how four days before
Lehman Brothers filed bankruptcy, Lehman's compensation committee requested
the board give three departing executives over $20 million in "special payments."

Lets talk about even after Richard Fuld pleaded with Secretary Paulson for a federal rescue,
Lehman continued to squander millions on executive compensation," Lets talk about
George H. Walker a member of Lehman's executive committee and a cousin of President Bush
"mocked" at the idea of returning bonuses recieved after it was clear Lehman Brothers was going
bankrupt.

I see now why President Bush was in such a hurry to bail out his friends, family and buddies.
Lets talk about that, I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT SMEAR CAMPAIGNS. I'm more concerned
on seeing that Bush and guys like Bush never step foot in The White House again. A vote for McCain
is a vote for more of the same, stop being stupid, now is not the time for stupidity, Anyone supporting
McCain/Palin is an enabler, a racist or just a complete fool.

All of you need tu hear me an vote for my man obama. He will give you change. When you want a paycheck he will give you change. When you need to fill up your car he will give you a lot of air and a little change. When you go to the grocery store he will have given you change. When your pockets come out empty he will leave you with change. The change you want is the change you will get. Take my word for it.

I agree with you Judy. Obama started the attacks from the very beginning. Everybody needs to check out faithfreedom.org. That is something really scary. I'm voting for McCain/Palin. I never voted before but I am now.

What do you mean "Obama Assails McCain Attacks"? Obama attacked McCain on all sides all the time and he was fierce. Just look at his angry eyes with frown. And he shouted too.

LIE: "My view is that the community organizer was really a sham event. Bill Ayers was testing him."(Andy Martin, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Bill Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's community organizing job. It's pure lunacy to imagine that Ayers was "testing" Obama.

LIE: Obama's "community organizing is a grand scheme perpetuated by none other than William Ayers."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Obama's community organizing was not a vast conspiracy for revolution devised by Bill Ayers.

LIE: "They live half a mile from William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist" and "Just a half a mile from those homes is Louis Farrakhan."(Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: It's true, of course, that Obama lives in this same neighborhood, as do tens of thousands of other people who presumably are also guilty by geographical association. The logic of this argument would be, if you live half a mile from a sex offender, then you agree with child molesters.

LIE: Obama and Ayers "appeared together at various public engagements...it would seem that they are more than just a little bit friendly."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Appearing on a speaking panel is not a sign of friendship. There is no evidence that Obama had any role in ever inviting Ayers to speak.

LIE: In 1995, Ayers and Dohrn "hosted a political coming out party for a young Barack Obama."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: This was an event for Alice Palmer, not a "coming-out party" for Obama. Obama was invited by Palmer to the event.

But long before tonight's Hannity, the right-wing has been spreading a series of lies about Obama and Ayers.

LIE: "Bill Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist."
TRUTH: Bill Ayers is not, and apparently never was, a terrorist. The conventional definition of a terrorist is someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes. As Factcheck.org noted, In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground. (Factcheck.org)

LIE: "I'm sure he's very patriotic, but his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question....Because, if you're going to associate and have as a friend and serve on a board and have a guy kick off your campaign that says he's unrepentant, that he wished he'd bombed more. And then, the worst thing of all, that I think really indicates Senator Obama's attitude, is he had the incredible statement that he compared Mr. Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist -- an unrepentant terrorist, with Senator Tom Coburn. Senator Coburn, a physician who goes to Oklahoma on the weekends and brings babies into life.' (John McCain, April 20, 2008, ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos)
TRUTH: Obama was not friends with Ayers. Ayers did not kick off Obama's campaign. And Obama was not comparing Ayers' actions with Coburn. Obama was pointing out that he works with people even when he disagrees with them.

LIE: "Obama's oldest friend in politics is a murderer and unrepentant terrorist. Why are they friends?"(ExposeObama.com email, Sept. 7, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers isn't Obama's oldest friend in politics.

LIE: Ayers was "Obama's boss."(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: The chair of a foundation board is not the boss of the members.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claimed Alice "Palmer would never have introduced Obama to the Hyde Park political community at the Ayres-Dohrn home unless she saw an affinity between Ayers and Dohrn's radical leftist history, her own history of far-leftist politics, and the politics of Barack Obama."(p. 137)
TRUTH: The event wasn't held primarily for Obama. It was Palmer's own announcement that she would run for Congress. Obama was there as Palmer's endorsed successor for her Senate seat, but there's no evidence that he had any role in deciding to hold it at Ayers' home.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claims about Obama: "either he did not know Ayers and Dohrn are still radical leftists--in which case he is implausibly naive--or Obama did know, which would confirm he joined with Ayers and Dohrn because Obama too continues to believe, albeit silently and secretly, in the Far Left's radical agenda."(p. 140)
TRUTH: Obama probably knew Ayers was a leftist, but he didn't care. Obama believes in the notion of a free society, where you work with people you disagree with.

LIE: "Even today, Ayers appears to hold the same radical political beliefs he did in the Weather Underground, and Obama had to know that was also the case when he first met Ayers in 1995."(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: Corsi doesn't explain how Obama "had to know" Ayers' views on politics when he first met him. Telepathy? Mind-reading?

LIE: David Freddoso calls Obama's distant connection with Bill Ayers "a remarkable relationship for a presidential nominee to have."(p. 122)
TRUTH: It reality, it's not remarkable at all. The notion that people should resign from foundations and refuse to speak in public in order to avoid any connection to a former radical never convicted of a crime is absurd.

LIE: "The major media simply have not reported on Obama's two years at New York's Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers."(Tony Blankley, September 24, 2008)
TRUTH: Thousands upon thousands of people lived near Bill Ayers in Manhattan. Obama didn't know Ayers.

LIE: Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence to support his claim. Ayers was one of several people involved in starting the group, and was not its guiding spirit. According to the New York Times reporting, Obama was recruited by other CAC leaders who knew him through the Joyce Foundation.

LIE: Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence that Obama and Ayers worked as a team. Ayers attended six meetings of the group along with Obama.

LIE: "Obama is hanging around with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. By the way, Bill Ayers advertised himself as being a communist with a small c just when he was beginning to
partner with Obama on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (Stanley Kurtz, Hudson Institute, Washington DC, October 1, 2008)
TRUTH: Contrary to this McCarthyist attack, there's no evidence that Obama ever knew that Ayers supposedly called himself a communist, nor is that a good reason for Obama to end his work on school reform and charitable activities.

LIE: "who provided Obama with the only executive experience he has ever had in his young life? Bill Ayers, unrepentant domestic terrorist, communist revolutionary... (Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, October 2, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers did not provide Obama with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge job. And Obama has also had executive experience in community organizing, running a voter registration drive, as well as running his campaigns. The New York Times reported, "In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year."(Scott Shane, New York Times, October 4, 2008)

LIE: "Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as quote 'respectable and mainstream.'"(American Issues Project ad, August 2008)
TRUTH: David Axelrod described them as "friendly," not friends. Obama didn't call Ayers respectable and mainstream (although Ayers now is); Obama's campaign on his website posted an op-ed in the press that described Ayers that way.

LIE: "I can't understand why somebody who wants to be president of the United States, I'll be perfectly honest with you, would want to associate or not condemn the actions of people in the past."(Paul Ragonese, April 27, 2008, Fox News' Hannity's America)
TRUTH: Obama has condemned the past actions of Bill Ayers and called him somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago. (April 16, 2008 debate)

LIE: "Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval."(Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence to support his claim. Ayers was one of several people involved in starting the group, and was not its guiding spirit.

LIE: "Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda."(Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence that Obama and Ayers worked as a team. Ayers attended six meetings of the group along with Obama.

LIE: About Bill Ayers, "Barack Obama really couldn't bring himself to say 'you know, I really don't like that guy.' That was too much for him to say. He had to talk about what a decent guy he is and what a good professor."(Jim Geraghty, "Hype: The Obama Effect")
TRUTH: There is no record of Obama during the campaign calling Ayers "decent" and "a good professor." In fact, Obama really did bring himself to criticize Ayers, denouncing him during a Democratic debate as "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago."

LIE: "Obama was feted at a fundraising event" at Ayers' home.("Hype: The Obama Effect")
TRUTH: Obama never had a fundraising event at Ayers' home.

LIE: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers had a close working relationship...the two of them were running the foundation together. (Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence of a "close working relationship" beyond attending a few meetings together. The notion that Obama and Ayers were the only ones running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is absolutely false.

LIE: "The most important smoking gun is that Barack Obama was funding Bill Ayers' radical educational projects."(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is false. Obama was the president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, not its dictator. There's no evidence that Obama made any funding decisions. Moreover, it would have been completely unprofessional for anyone, including Obama, to ban Bill Ayers from receiving funding for educational projects because of alleged radical activities decades earlier which Ayers was never convicted of. Kurtz has no evidence that projects were judged based on anything other than their merits. This is a pure smear by association.

LIE: Emails "give us strong evidence that there may have been a cover-up in Bill Ayers' role choosing Barack Obama."(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is a fabrication. The email Kurtz is referring to shows absolutely no kind of cover up. In fact, it shows exactly the opposite. In his blog, Kurtz quotes the entire email Ken Rolling wrote to CAC founders Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett and notes that Sam Dillon, Education Reporter for the New York Times, was working on an article. Rolling wrote about Dillon, He is trying to understand how Barack got 'picked' for the CAC board, by whom, why, etc. - I have avoided that question head-on though I believe Barack was Debbie Leff's/Joyce nomination." This email reveals no kind of cover-up, and the New York Times article found several sources that said Obama was not picked by Ayers.

LIE: "There is a secret group in the Obama-Biden campaign tasked with shutting off any leaks from the record that links Barack Obama to his longtime adviser and mentor Bill Ayers, professor of education at the University of Illinois and unrepentant Weatherman terrorist and fugitive from the 1970s....There is a substantial independent report from a major Democratic source that confirms Diamond's suspicions. The source confirms the unit is led by Bill Ayers himself and likely includes Tom Hayden and other members of 'Progressives for Obama.' Most critically, the Democratic source says this unit has direct access to media adviser David Axelrod of the Obama-Biden campaign."(John Batchelor, Human Events, September 12, 2008)
TRUTH: There is no "secret group." Hayden reports, "I am not part of any effort, personal or organized, trying to protect Obama against any leaks." The notion that Ayers is leading the "unit" is laughable. According to the University of Illinois library, "all papers have been available since August 26" about the school reform group that Ayers and Obama worked on. Diamond, the source cited for the existence of the "unit," declares, "I have no evidence of such a unit." Diamond added, "I told Batchelor that I would not speak to Human Events yet he made up a quote from me and placed it in his article."

Grey Matter,
I'll tell you how were going to pay for the deficit and this boondoggle of a war! Charge it to our kids! This is the same ole’ same ole fiscal policy of the last eight years. What’s really disturbing is I keep reading from GOP voters who mention tax cuts this and tax cut that but no mention of how the Republican’s will pay for it or any reduction in spending to make up for the tax cuts. It’s borrow and spend as usual! It’s a what’s in it for me mentality and the hell with the reality that eventually someone will have to pay but why should they care? They’ll be dead when the bill arrives but there kids won’t!

TO: Grey Matter....maybe "Fact Check" on Mr. Teflon and ACORN is in order...but I am not too sure about them, either. No one suggests that Barry...Barack...Marlboro man...whatever he calls himself ...was on the payroll of ACORN as an employee, but it sure was the wrong place for a good Community Organizer to start approving and shoveling $ to under his ok...do your homework, look up the facts about ACORN and Barry's involvement with it. Thanks.

TO: Grey Matter....maybe "Fact Check" on Mr. Teflon and ACORN is in order...but I am not too sure about them, either. No one suggests that Barry...Barack...Marlboro man...whatever he calls himself ...was on the payroll of ACORN as an employee, but it sure was the wrong place for a good Community Organizer to start approving and shoveling $ to under his ok...do your homework, look up the facts about ACORN and Barry's involvement with it. Thanks.

..The Keating Five???....is this the best Axelrod, Plouffe and Company can come up with? I can do better than that, and I am voting for the "old guy." Barry..Barack...whatever you call yourself these days, maybe you should give them a time out and have a smoke with them. JUDGMENT? I don't think so....

..The Keating Five???....is this the best Axelrod, Plouffe and Company can come up with? I can do better than that, and I am voting for the "old guy." Barry..Barack...whatever you call yourself these days, maybe you should give them a time out and have a smoke with them. JUDGMENT? I don't think so....

To Conison, all I can add is AMEN. I am young enough to still have my idealism intact and old enough not to be fooled by demagoguery. Palin and McCain are a perfect marriage of idiocy and cynicism. It's time for American citizens to engage their brains and THINK and ANALYZE what a McCain-Palin presidency truly would be like. I,myself,would find it a frightening prospect.

Vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE. Obama will put us all in poverty, McCain failed to act. Don't vote for the terrorist supporter Obama. With Obama as President the Middle Class will disappear and the Rich well they will be still be Rich. Under OBAMA the Middle Class will be in Poverty before you know it. Vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Oh wait, Obama didn't even work for ACORN in the first place in his capacity as a community organizer unlike what so many McCain/Palin supporters are claiming.

McCain/Palin are sounding desperate. People want to know how they are going to reform Washington and get together the economy that is in pieces but they have nothing to say so they are trying to DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE ISSUES.

WOW! lots of hate out there! Where does it come from? Everyday I read this and I'm amazed how much our country has went backwards not forward! My vote is for Obama/Biden I try not to judge people but McCain/Palin ticket scares me. I look at McCain he's old! He's the same age as my grandfather and I don't think he (my Grandpa) could lead the world by any means! he forgets things alot! Palin is not a leader sorry repubs! The republicans thought if they got a woman they would get the women vote well Not this womens vote. I've listen to both sides. Obama knows what its like to not have a dime, to work for it all. Thats the America I know. Not McCains America. Obama's got my vote!

I don't care what McCain says..he is not any better than Obama rather he is worst..he has nothing to offer but bitterness...if we read the same newspaper Palin read and her conclusion is "PALIN WITH TERRORIST" she needs to go back to school..what a shame she can not even read and analysis a simple Article ...

Provide evidence.

He did not do that. I see his behaviour, and he shows me he is a decent man who stays by the side of the first woman with hom he walked down the aisle, unlike someone who had an affair with a beer heiress while his crippled wife lay at home.

It tells me something when his opponent consistently questions his patriotism.

The honourable John McCain who said he would not question his opponent's patriotism. Who said he would "Not take the low road to the highest office". The John McCain who outright lied about Obama's record on sex-ed for children. The John McCain who lied about the "Born Alive" thing. The John McCain who has the gall to scream how much he is "Country First" but political grandstands the bailout- people said he did not even do anything to help- we figured, since he's not even on the Senate Banking Committee or anything. Who insinuated that not voting for him meant you were less-then patriotic.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -Samuel Johnson.

TO WHEELERX: I don't care too much for either one of the guys but I'd vote for McCain over Obama any darn time. Obama does nothing but bribe his way in. Look who paid for Obamas education, etc. etc. etc. I don't trust him no farther than I can throw him. HE is the one who is the liar. He started from to very beginning trashing McCain and I'm glad that he is throwing back at Obama. Obama will say anything just to be president. IF he wins, all that will CHANGE. You want change-it will all be me me me. He took the AMERICAN FLAG off his plane, what else will he take? That is the kind of change I don't want.GOD help us all. I want good change and that change will be voting McCain/Palin all the way!

"In comparison, Obama provided more details and numbers and breakdowns as to how his tax policies would be like."
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Paper will lie still and let you write ANYthing on it: every single bit of Obama blabla will be scrapped in light of the crash/bailout, as The CHANGEling has already made clear in some areas.

You want a guy whose campaign uses off-duty police to intimidate the local press in office, when the chips hit the fan? The reason to resist the Obama machine isn't that he's a "socialist", but that he seems to be a Stalinist RIGHT-winger.

If everybody votes for Nader, it. couldn't. hurt.

Well, I bothered to go to McCain's website to see what he had to say about taxes. Then I went to Obama's website.

In comparison, Obama provided more details and numbers and breakdowns as to how his tax policies would be like. McCain was vague in comparison. He's got a clear idea what he's going to do (No, no, he's not going to turn the US into a socialist country, go read up what socialism is before throwing it around)

Please tell me how we are going to pay for a deficit running into the trillions- AND continue fighting in Iraq, if the taxes don't go up for SOMEONE- the upper income, maybe?

"You cannot find nothing against Barack"
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Except that he's a cute little mobster with a lot of funny money and no apparent principles, who voted to turn the US Treasury over to financial corporations.

"Belle Star - McCain and Obama voted for the bailout.

Get your facts straight."
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My facts are perfectly straight: both major party candidates voted for State Capitalism/corporatism/fascism -- while "the US" exports "democracy" by force.

There's no THERE there -- so why vote for either of these candidates -- other than that a McCain administration couldn't very well get away with suppressing all dissent as "racism"?

If everybody votes for Nader, it. couldn't. hurt.

Belle Star - McCain and Obama voted for the bailout.

Get your facts straight.

If Aires is a terrorist, then he would not be teaching at a college. When he did his crimes Barack was 2 years. You cannot find nothing against Barack so you are trying everything you can including investigating his mailman

McCain was in his fifties and HE actually was a corrupt politician and his wife was also involved. Keating 5 criminal for President. And Troopergate airhead criminal for Vice President.

No Way No How
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 - Serious Intelligent Leadership for the People

"Obama has quite a lot of specifics in his speeches"
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Not really -- especially about poor people. The specific that matters most is that Obama voted for the bailout -- and anybody who can compromise democratic principles to that extent, may do anything.

And hey: why'd the Obama website -- to which I have NO intention of going -- take down Mike Klonsky when the right mentioned Klonsky's background? Are Klonsky's ideas worth pushing at the beginning of June, and worth suppressing at the end of June?

Why'd Obama tap a hack like Biden?

If everybody votes for Nader, it. couldn't. hurt.

it`s actually obvious that this time round republicans can`t make it back.It`s unfortunate that McCain cannot rise up to the occasion and that`s why they are turning to dirty politics.
They are so desperate.

Hey Belle Starr,

Maybe if you actually bothered to listen, Obama has quite a lot of specifics in his speeches. His website clearly details what his going to do far more then McCain/Palin- who spend most of their time attacking the Democratic ticket but don't offer concrete specifics unless you count

"We're going to shake things up in Washington!"

or

"We will reform Washington!"

specifics. As much as I quite dislike them, I do bother listening to their speeches to see if they've any useful ideas. That's all they say. But they never tell me HOW.

Obama's "okeydoke" and "bamboozle" riff in Asheville were just plain weird, and probably lost on his audience. Apparently -- going back to when he FIRST did this, when the Ayers connection first arose -- this is a reprise of Malcolm X's remarks on ... something.

If corporate birthday suit Obama's secretly a revolutionary, as most of the celebrity "left" suggests, he ought to make his real plans plain. If Obama does NOT commit to specifics beyond his personal adorableness, liberals and radicals will do better to vote for Ralph Nader, and spare themselves the embarrassment, later on, of having helped install a coup which is merely Stalinist in organization, but corporatist (i.e., fascist) in content.

What's The One planning to do about the poor -- many of whom, absent decisive action SOON, will be starving and freezing this winter?

Seth, as I mentioned earlier Gov. Palin was selected to unify and energize the Republican Party base. Giuliani is pro-choice, so he would not unify or energize the GOP base. Romney, would have been a decent choice, but he would not have energize the GOP base either. And there was another problem. Two white males on the ticket could not sell "change" and "reform" to anyone. It's just too bad that the two best VP candidates adamantly refused to run: Gen. Colin Powell and Dr. Condoleezza Rice.

I agree one of the criteria in her selection is that she was a surprise pick. But her name had been floated about for months by several prominent Republican pundits. As a Washington outsider and a proven reformer she can sell "change" and "reform." And the fact that she does have executive experience is a tremendous plus.

As a staunch Conservative (both fiscally and socially), I am very pleased with Gov. Palin's selection. While I would have voted for Sen. McCain anyway, I was not enthused about him winning the GOP nomination. At least now we Republicans have a ticket in which we can vote FOR, rather than vote against the alternative. The GOP base IS energized and that means the entire GOP apparatus will be out in force to get out the vote.

Poor Republican party. It's the fourth quarter, 1st down, their down by 10 points and this mess is the best they can come up with? It's no surprise that their losing. When the game ends November 4th it'll be Obama/Biden by 7. Then the Republicans and John McCain can go cry in their beer. Their party totally failed our country for the last 6 years that they controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress, which, by the way got us where we are today. Now it's time to sweep'em out of the House and Senate, them and their hamstringing filibuster tactics. Let'em go think it over another four years. Them and their bible thumping, religious fundamentalist, everything for the rich nothing for the poor supporters.

Whatever, say what you want.

I don't know, maybe he lost it travelling with his mother-I really don't know about that, but the State of Hawaii kept a copy and produced a dulpicate for him.

Factcheck.org called the Hawaii State Department to confirm it was genuine, even had an employee born in Hawaii to show hers to compare. It was the same. In the midst of doing this, they even managed to dig up an announcement of his birth in a Hawaii newspaper on the day he was born.

Looks like he was indeed born in the United States of America.

Obama can than his good friends in the media for failing to properly vett him 2 years ago. HA HA! We deserve to know about Obama's high standards that he will be using in the oval office or in his case, the lack thereof. Read the Wall Street Journal's article on the connection! It is an honest reflection of Obama and his terrorist friends! There are more than one don't forget about the Columbia professor!

Just in: On CNN @ c.7:30ET Nancy Pfotenhauer
a policy adviser for the McCain campaign
defended the use of attacking Obama through Ayers. Kiran Cherty brought up a reply that Obama's campaign made that they live in the same neighborhood and he had coffee over his house in 1995 and at that time he knew nothing of his radical past. Nancy replies that "he should have known". And brought up Ayers family being "well-known" in Chicago. My concern about this spin by Nancy is that at any time people should go on political "witch hunts" in their neighboorhoods to find out who had suspicious activities in the past. What Ayers did in the past was deplorable but why does McCain's campaign feel the need to pound news that was already covered in the primaries? Nancy also said that 2/3 of speeches given at the McCain/Palin rallies deal with "issues" like the economy. But I find that cynical considering that 2/3 of their ads in the past week have used this attack.