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Being Squirrelly About ACORN

October 13, 2008 2:15 PM

As reports pile up of voter registration fraud connected to ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, a group that advocates for low-income voters – the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has sought to downplay his past ties with the group.

But in their efforts to do, Obama campaign officials found themselves forced last week to correct an erroneous assertion made on the campaign’s “Fight the Smears” webpage that “Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.”

That wasn’t true.

In fact, ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg told the New York Times that Obama conducted two unpaid leadership training sessions for ACORN’s Chicago affiliate in the late 1990s.

The “Fight the Smears” website now asserts, "Fact: ACORN never hired Obama as a trainer, organizer, or any type of employee.”

Key word: hired.

Goldberg told the Times that Obama’s work for ACORN was unpaid.

You can see the old version HERE and the new version HERE.

Moreover, Obama also represented ACORN and other groups in the mid 1990s as an attorney suing the state of Illinois to uphold the federal Motor Voter law. The governor and other officials of the State of Illinois were refusing to comply with the law on the ground that it was unconstitutional.

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Further confusing the length and depth of the Obama-ACORN relationship was the discovery by conservative bloggers of an error-riddled story in the journal Social Policy featuring not only a 2004 photograph of Obama and ACORN members but an essay called “Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign” written Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader.

"Obama started building the base years before,” Foulkes wrote in her 2004 essay. “For instance, ACORN noticed him when he was organizing on the far south side of the city with the Developing Communities Project. He was a very good organizer. When he returned from law school, we asked him to help us with a lawsuit to challenge the state of Illinois’ refusal to abide by the National Voting Rights Act, also known as motor voter. Allied only with the state of Mississippi, Illinois had been refusing to allow mass-based voter registration according to the new law. Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5000 of them).”

Foulkes messed up the chronology in that account, making it sound earlier than it had occurred. The Motor Voter Law was passed in 1993, the lawsuit was brought in 1995.

Additionally, press accounts from the time of the Illinois Project Vote voter registration drive put the number of new voters registered at 150,000, not 50,000.

Still, that doesn't seem to square with the Obama campaign's assertion that "Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

Foulkes went on to note that “since then,” ACORN had “invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

Obama’s losing congressional campaign was in 2000, not 1996.

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Further adding to the confusion were rather questionable charges coming from the campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., which has sought to portray Obama’s training sessions in just about the most negative light imaginable.

In a conference call, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis urged reporters to ask Obama of the ACORN training sessions, “What were you teaching them? Were you teaching them how to evade the law?”

"Were you teaching them how to evade the law?" ???

Excuse me?

Davis also incorrectly asserted that when Obama represented ACORN he was standing “against the State of Illinois and the federal government.”

Actually, the Justice Department was a co-plaintiff with ACORN in the suit.

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Obama backers today pointed out that McCain in February 2006 participated in a Miami rally in support of McCain’s immigration reform bill that was sponsored by ACORN as well as other groups, according to the press release. For whatever it's worth, a photo from that rally can be seen HERE.

-- jpt

October 13, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (315)

User Comments

Obama supporters sure do throw names around like lier when anyone questions their candidate. Aren't we allow to find out if he has any fatal flaws that would exempt him from being a suitable President in charge of the worlds finest military and largest stockpile of nuclear weapons. I hear Joe Biden says he will be tested--if elected--within 6 months of taking office. John McCain has been tested and passed. We don't know what Barak Obama will do so I have a suggestion. Why don't we test him now. He has absolutely refused to turn over his birth certificate to prove he is eligible to run. John McCain turned over all his private papers and medical records. Obama won't let anybody know what his grades in Harvard were..must not be proud of himself. We know he graduated with no honors. He didn't "teach" constitutional law. He was a lecturer. Big difference. We don't know enough about him to trust him to be President. The big questions is how many Americans or our allies (perhaps Isralies) will die while this enigma is trying to "Prove" himself. Could be some of us or our families.

Posted by: Carolyn | Oct 21, 2008 11:25:05 PM

This is so disturbing - here is a man who was elected to be president of Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law and now McCain has the gall to question w/not Obama was teaching the law? And here is a VP candidate who has a husband who loves America so much he was willing to spend a good deal of his adult life palling around with an organization that wanted Alaska for a country of their very own? Obama is right - McCain and Palin will say anything and do anything to distract voters from the real issues. I think the voters will not be fooled again.

Posted by: Amala | Oct 19, 2008 12:58:04 AM

Why did you not mention Republican ties to ACORN, other than your one reference to McCain?
And why did you not bring up the very serious possibility that the GOP has set up this whole ACORN thing?

I have been reading your blog daily for a while now. With articles such as this one, you do Democrats and Barack Obama a disservice. The truth is one thing, but understanding all the background stuff at play here is another.

I don't believe that you do understand, Jake Tapper.

Posted by: Nicole | Oct 16, 2008 2:49:00 PM

The left cries 'smear' and 'racism' whenever anyone dares tell the truth about Obama and his collaboration with Ayers, Wright and Rezco. On the contrary - if Obama was a white Republican, with this history his candidacy would have been toast before it got started.

Just consider if the boot had been on the other foot and McCain's political career had been launched by an abortion clinic bomber; his mentor for 20 years had been a White Supremist Pastor, and he had paid nearly a million dollars to far-Right militias who strong-armed voters into fraudulent registrations would anyone even think twice about voting for him? Of course not.


The question is whether through expediency or ideological sympathy or a combination of the two, Obama has allowed himself to collaborate with far left and anti American thinking that threatens the basic values and existance of America and Western society.

Posted by: William | Oct 14, 2008 8:33:33 PM

(1) Obama lied about his collaboration with Ayers. Obama said Ayers was "just a guy in my neighborhood" when the truth was Ayers held one of the first campaign fund raisers for Obama in his home. Obama sat on two boards with Ayers, the Woods project and the Annenberg Challenge where Obama funneled thousands of dollars to Ayers anti-American school projects.

(2)Obama was a member of Rev. Wright's church for twenty years. Rev. Wright's church taught the racist and communist creed of black liberation theology. Rev. Wright: "God Da## America" "the chickens have come home to roost" the Sunday after 9/11, The US government is responsible for HIV among blacks are just a few of the hateful messages Rev. Wright preached from his pulpit. Obama claim that he was ignorant of Rev. Wright's racist and anti-American beliefs are just not credible.

(3)One of Obama's biggest campaign contributers was the convicted felon Rezco. Rezco helped Obama buy his million dollar home. Despite Rezco's help in buying Obama's home, Obama claims there was no quid pro quo with Rezco. Yet it is on record that Obama was instrumental in obtaining State funding for Rezco's slum lord projects in Chicago. Rezco in now "singing" according to many reports in the Chicago Sun Times and the speculation is that Rezco may be spilling the beans on Obama.


(4)Obama's web site claimed that Obama had no relationship with ACORN and than had to scrub the web site when irrefutable evidence came out showing Obama was an attorney for ACORN and participated in training ACORN leaders.

Obama's track record of being "Squirrelly" I would say lying about his true relationship with crooks, communists and terrorists shows that Obama lacks good judgment, is a liar, and points to Obama's true beliefs and leanings which are decidedly far left and out of the mainstream. Obama is unfit to be President.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 14, 2008 8:19:19 PM

Come on people! Yes, obviously there is a problem within ACORN but the bigger problem is the voter registration process itself. Don't blame the candidates for people outside their campaign. Demand that the registration and entire voting process itself be fixed. There are too many ways for supporters of either party to cheat and they have.

Posted by: SpookyX | Oct 14, 2008 4:57:04 PM

We won't have an economy or freedom or anything else if Osama wins!!! That is why you need to worry about ACORN, Ayers, and Wright, and all the other stupid things, and lies Osama has done. Everyone seems to want to ignore and the media is just as bad, what did they do pay everyone off...I'm proud of my country and I can't be bought!!!!!!!!!!!MCCAIN-PALIN ALL THE WAY

Posted by: TRUTH NEEDS TO BE TOLD!!! | Oct 14, 2008 4:38:27 PM

Written about the 60's radicals and Martin Luther King-

"to legitimize the radical social and political agenda to delegitimize traditional American social and cultural institutions --- those that support a free market economy, an anti-communist foreign policy, and a constitutional system that restrains the power of the state rather than one that centralizes and expands power for the reconstruction of society and the redistribution of wealth

not much has changed for this group- their approach changed over the years by infiltrating our universities and indoctrinating their children and attempting to do the same to ours in the schools. Obama reminds me of all those professors I hated so much in school- the far left elitists- who hate capitalism and individual freedoms

vote McCain

Posted by: jimmy | Oct 14, 2008 4:31:59 PM

Obama supporters are just so blind and stupid. And 'THERE IS NO ONE SO BLIND AS HE WHO REFUSES TO SEE!"

Since it is obvious that ACORN has a pattern of voter registration fraud, why isn't ANYONE checking to see if this voter fraud changed the results of the primary? ACORN brags that they have gotten over a million new voters in the last 18 months...that means some of those "new voters" may have altered the results of the primary election..

Posted by: Helen | Oct 14, 2008 3:52:05 PM

No, you're all wrong. Obama was only eight years old and could not have been involved. Those acorns were gathered by crows who stole them from the squirrels.
Rev. Wright only chaperoned Obama and Michelle's first few dates,and tripped and fell under that bus, so there's no there there.
Bill Ayres coached one of the
children's t-ball games one time, but he didn't know a foul ball when he saw one so that was a very short time . T-ball season is real short in Chicago.
That simple. No connection. So there.

Posted by: daryl | Oct 14, 2008 3:10:51 PM

Sniffs of McCain camp desperation. I heard Obama once sat next to a kid who stole a carton of milk in the lunch room in third grade. Get on it, FoxNews!

Posted by: kenny | Oct 14, 2008 3:00:49 PM

The supposed pics of McCain at an ACORN event are FALSE..don't believe the false statements and propaganda articles generated by the left.
Liberals usually are so filled with guilt over their prosperity that they attempt to make it up to everyone else in their misguided attempts at "LIMOUSINE LEGISLATION".

Posted by: DantonUSA | Oct 14, 2008 2:54:50 PM

Florida would not have been close in 2000 if the Democrats had not sent lawyers in to challenge and invalidate Military and absentee votes. These votes are overwhelmingly conservative and would have benefited Bush. Just who is the party that disenfranchises votes? The Dems. So don't give me that lame old line about Republicans trying to surpress minority votes, they just want to make sure dead people, felons and duplicate voters are stopped from turning an election.
Just check out Washington state Governor's race. The Republican won, then won the recount and then lost the second recount as more 'votes' were found in boxes. Not to mention that thousands of military votes were not counted because they were sent to another state and did not arrive soon enough to be counted. But the 'found' boxes continued to be located and then counted until the Dem had enough votes to steal the election. The military votes arrived before the boxes were 'found' but still were not allowed to be included in the vote totals.
Seems to me that Dems only want their votes counted not anyone elses. Voter suppression is the Dems MO.

Posted by: Pam Burton | Oct 14, 2008 10:29:35 AM

ACORN treats their bottom-tier employees like garbage, demanding impossible quotas -- find 10 unregistered voters and get their applications each day, or be fired. They also offer a bonus if you acquire 100 apps in 5 days. Far more get fired than wver see the bonus.

Their employees are so in fear of losing their jobs that they break the law to keep their numbers up. Then ACORN can claim credit for a large turnout they had nothing to do with, and thereby snag more funding. And ACORN has been telling the media that their workers aren't held to quotas! Why lie?

Founder Wade Rathke hid his brother's embezzlement of a million dollars from the ACORN board for 8 years!

ACORN smells wrong, but many gullible Dems still flock to their defense.

The Obama campaign shouldn't stretch the truth, but they are right to put as much distance as they reasonably can between their candidate and ACORN.

Posted by: robert martin | Oct 14, 2008 10:11:42 AM

Since it is obvious that ACORN has a pattern of voter registration fraud, why isn't ANYONE checking to see if this voter fraud changed the results of the primary? ACORN brags that they have gotten over a million new voters in the last 18 months...that means some of those'new voters' may have altered the results of the primary election..
Come one Jake Tapper, investigate it!!

Posted by: Karen | Oct 14, 2008 6:31:24 AM

As Acorn picked these voter drive workers, they most likely picked people who had nothing else to do- no day job. So ACORN gave them a bunch of voter registration forms and told them to come back with signatures in order to get paid. There's probably a reason why these people don't have a job and part of it could be that they are lazy ( and maybe even a little stupid). Given a choice between accosting people or filling out fake registrations in front of the TV (while watching football), they choose to sit in front of the TV and earn their money by filling out fake forms.
ACORN is then required by law to turn in every registration form they receive even if they know it is fake. The board of Elections only has the authority to weed out the good from the bad based on Social Security numbers and other factors. If they don't add up, the Board of Elections just doesn't register the voter, There's no harm of voter fraud. It takes more than an phony application to register a voter.
If you pick the worse people (frankly) in society to work for you and allow them to work independently, they will screw up everytime. ACORN needs a central office and people need to come in to fill out the forms. That way they know they have a real body for every form that gets filled out.
Some of the ACORN forms were filled out by Mic E. Mouse and Donald D Duck.

Posted by: MackMommie | Oct 14, 2008 5:27:17 AM

jackie,

The down and out you are talking about are the American middle class. they just lost one trillion of their retirement and many have lost their homes and jobs. Do you believe just poor people lost their homes and thier jobs. Look at Michigan, Penn., West Virginia, it's not the down and out Obama's is looking to help.
It's probably people like you. How rich are you? how secure is your 9 to 5?

Posted by: berryboy | Oct 14, 2008 5:12:33 AM

In twelve years how many sermons did Rev Wright give? How many hours did he spend on the pulpit over those years? How many minutes of negative tape have you heard from rev Wright? Since his sermons were regularly taped and sold, what happened to the other eleven years and eleven months of tape? Maybe he had 625 good sermons and one bad sermon. The republicans want you to color him by his one bad sermon. His live interviews after the news broke didn't help but I think he had a bad day. His life isn't about hating whitey. the Catholic who later preached at his church was white. He deals with whites on a daily basis- got a little too frustrated and lost it as black preachers sometimes do.
He needed to apologize for his comments but he made a fool of himself. Wright put his ego ahead of Obama's goal to lead the nation. I'm not sure what to make of Rev Wright

Posted by: RogerB | Oct 14, 2008 5:08:42 AM

Wow this is pretty silly.

ACORN offers people a chance to register to vote. After someone completes the form they review it and if it looks bad they mark as bad but are REQUIRED to still send it in to election officials. Then republicans accuse them of fraud because they submit bad forms?

How do republicans attempt to get more people to vote?

oh and btw: FoxNews just reported that the 800G was paid to an different organization with a broader mandate and that this organization distributed about a tenth of that to ACORN.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 14, 2008 4:27:42 AM

The problem with be dishonest for what ever excuse is when the truth comes out your trust points drop.... Then when the truth come to light on several issues, then a prudent person would be wise to think twice about their choice... OF course some people take a little longer comin around to accepting the facts and admiit that they have been out foxed.... Some of us saw the pattern after the second amendment flip flop, and the government spying tactics flip flop. AND you can rest assured that OBAMAS ideas on creating Social Services to help those down and out pretty much got squelched with 700 or I mean 850 billion dollars price tag of the rich and the greedy S. O. B.'s who beneifited from the Freddie Mac and the Frannie mae fiasco.... Those who benifited from that big scam, might be able to redeem them selves just a little, if they return all those bonus and extra bucks they gleaned when they cooked their books...

Posted by: Jackie Allen | Oct 14, 2008 2:58:11 AM

What yayrd signs in Oregon would you be asking about, the one's that supported McCain and had the motov coacktail hurdled at them, or some disturbing anti- democrat sign?

Posted by: Jackie Allen | Oct 14, 2008 2:46:35 AM

WHAT ABOUT HE 800 GRAND BO PAID ACORN IN TH PRIAMRY???????????????????????

YEAH---------


800 G R A N D

Posted by: jayelo | Oct 14, 2008 12:57:08 AM

Here's a contemporaneous account (1993) from Chicago Magazine about Obama's work to register those 150,000 voters. You will note ACORN isn't mentioned. If they had been involved, I expect they would have been included.


"In its technical demands, a voter-registration drive is not unlike a mini-political campaign," says John Schmidt, chairman of the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority and a fundraiser for Project Vote! "Barack ran this superbly. I have no doubt he could run an equally good political campaign if that's what he decided to do next."

Posted by: Tom J | Oct 14, 2008 12:30:20 AM

So basically Obama LIED about his association with ACORN.

This is not surprising.

Posted by: Greg h | Oct 14, 2008 12:13:16 AM

Are these the same volunteers that stole Proposition 8 and McCain Palin signs all over California last weekend? Are these the same volunteers that threaten widows because they oppose same sex marriage? Are these the same volunteers who cry out for free speech, unless it opposes their brand of speech.

This conduct sounds similar to the conduct of CREEP and the Nixon Watergate era. By their fruits you shall know them. Obama is a ravenous wolf in sheeps clothing.

Posted by: Plutarch2008 | Oct 13, 2008 11:42:35 PM

Those fraudulent voter registrations get a ballot in the mail and can then send in an absentee (vote by mail) ballot , so they can vote!

Posted by: BC | Oct 13, 2008 11:25:58 PM

Show me those people in Las Vegas who plan to vote for Barack Obama while impersonating the members of the Dallas Cowboys, and perhaps I'll take the GOP's ACORN story seriously.

Until them, I'll stand my contention that this is overblown. The Republicans tried this on the federal level before, and ended up firing those U.S. attorneys like David Iglesias who refused to go along with their scheme.

The most egregious instances of electoral fraud in history have always been committed by those officials who abuse their positions of authority to malevolently influence the counting of votes, and not by those citizens who merely seek to cast them.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii | Oct 13, 2008 10:54:10 PM

D:
Unbelievable. If it's no big deal to register new potential voters then why would groups like Acorn spend so much time doing all this?
This type of voter fraud is as old as voting. Once the election is underway suddenly these "resigtered" voters begin showing up in mass. The hell w/ the law.
Bet on it, employees from Acorn will go to jail!

Posted by: gayle | Oct 13, 2008 10:29:12 PM

d

also the point is there should be better things to make poor people do that work for ACORN than meet a quota in voter registrations when you do that you make mistakes and usually make up stuff to get more registrations

Posted by: staniam | Oct 13, 2008 10:19:38 PM

Who cares? It's not as though one of these nonexistent registrants like "Mickey Mouse" would actually show up to vote on election day.

Registering to vote is not the same thing as voting.

I'm not saying fake voter registrations are good, I'm just saying it didn't hurt anyone, or alter an election or anything else. It was just some Acorn worker trying to meet their days' quota of registrations.

Posted by: d | Oct 13, 2008 10:01:53 PM

McCain can't talk about the economy because has forgotten what it is to have only one house to go home to.He does not have to worry about where he is going to park his cars how he will pay his bills much less the the middle class person.And as far as Obamas association with Ayers the people that are on that same board are supporters of McCain and now there is proof that McCain was attended a meeting at ACORN and as far as Rezko, McCain can lay claim to the Keating Five which took millions if not a billion from the elderly so he has no room to talk.

Posted by: damehen | Oct 13, 2008 9:47:38 PM

It seems that many minorities have been targeted by ACORN to fill out registrations as many as possible in order to help the person financially trying to get the registration. So everybody knew it was a scam. ACORN is a scam taking federal money and having absolutely no oversight. The problem is calling into question the honesty of this supposedly non-partisan group immediately makes its supporters cry "racist". This behavior will backfire as well as the nonsense occurring at the McCain rallies. I would wonder about this though. Can anybody verify if supporters at either camp are not plants? I mean if anybody wanted to paint the other a racist put a bunch of racists in the group to stir up trouble. As far as Obama, parsing words to try to deflect the truth is probably the most dishonest thing any candidate can do from my perspective. Both do it, but Obama is really quick to try to silence his critics by pretty much refusing to answer the question or just giving one pat answer and insisting the other candidate is trying to scare of confuse the voters. The truth is we all know Obama "volunteered" to train ACORN workers and that he represented them when he worked for that law firm in Chicago. What I see happening is that Obama will once again say that who he knew or the organization he once knew is not the same today. END OF CONVERSATION. It is a pattern.

Posted by: Susan | Oct 13, 2008 9:41:47 PM

I am amazed at the lack of outrage on this website regarding the voter fraud action of ACORN! These CRIMINALS are stealing your votes, my vote! The Democrats have made a conscious decision to steal the election BEFORE the vote on November 4.

Posted by: Phyllis | Oct 13, 2008 8:50:21 PM

Obama supporter yelled at McCain's rally tonight in north carolina that he is a murderer because of his service in Vietnam flying planes. This is a standard line of attack from Obama supporters on c-span.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 13, 2008 8:36:38 PM

When did telling the truth about someone become a smear! Did Hillary smear Obama too? It's sad that so many of us get caught up into presentations instead of substance and/or character! This man, Obama, could not be a highway patrolman with his background, but he might be president! Shame on us all!

Posted by: Joseph Daniel Patterson Jr. | Oct 13, 2008 8:35:10 PM

Posted by: Jim | Oct 13, 2008 7:45:44 PM

Finally! Maybe the GOP parrots will let the subject of ACORN go.

Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 7:50:35 PM

I guess the parrots will leave ACORN alone now. So far these smears have backfired on the GOP big time.

Posted by: Jwench | Oct 13, 2008 7:29:15 PM

Acorn again?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

How about some more McCain Palin ANGRY MOB SCENE STORIES!! Did you hear what they were yelling in the background at McCains rally this morning?? Did you see the ANGRY MOBS twisted hateful faces behind McCain, when he was YELLING FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING??

Posted by: Davis | Oct 13, 2008 6:59:39 PM

Another desperate red herring from the rapidly sinking McCain campaign that intelligent voters simply don't care about.

And this rates as news?

Posted by: R | Oct 13, 2008 6:44:07 PM

+++++++++++
R. If you don't give us a hint about what or who you're talking about you might as well be talking to yourself.

Posted by: Callie | Oct 13, 2008 6:49:24 PM

sandi,
You wrote, "If people really want to register there are many ways of doing so.
Court house, post office, on line etc etc...still have to show ID when they vote."

__________

But obviously those doing the honors in behalf of Acorn.. were not being quite so fastidious!

They signed up the same name many times, and even the same handwriting.

Some of the registrants were long dead; others lived elsewhere; some NEVER existed!

Acorn, obviously, required NO identification for these registrants.... and for all we know, they might have been registering terrorists....

But probably, they were more interested in registering Democrats.


Was THAT why Obama paid them almost a million bucks?

hmmmmmmm.


Posted by: DON'T STAND FOR THIS! | Oct 13, 2008 6:48:58 PM

Posted by: Blue | Oct 13, 2008 6:24:39 PM

OK so what's your point?!

Posted by: Callie | Oct 13, 2008 6:46:04 PM

Another desperate red herring from the rapidly sinking McCain campaign that intelligent voters simply don't care about.

And this rates as news?

Posted by: R | Oct 13, 2008 6:44:07 PM

Posted by: jan | Oct 13, 2008 6:06:10 PM

OMG I love G. Gordon. He knows the real
meaning of loyalty. Obama could take
lessons. I doubt that anybody will ever
be loyal to Obama because he has proved
he will kick anybody under the bus if
it's expedient..even his typical white
grandmother. I worry that something
bad could happen to his African grand-
mother who was in the delivery room
when he was born. I know he will stop
at nothing to be President and she
could be a problem or maybe already be.

Posted by: Callie | Oct 13, 2008 6:42:04 PM

Thank you....

My point exactly!!!

Posted by: Sandi | Oct 13, 2008 6:37:21 PM


I asked a question previously and would like to repeat it...

If Obama did not stand up against his own PASTOR...Can we expect him to stand up for America when we need him???

Posted by: Sandi | Oct 13, 2008 6:18:53 PM

========================================
Good point Sandi. He finally kicked his
pastor under the bus when it became politically expedient. So much for
loyalty, no matter how misplaced. I don't see Obama as a Christian because Wright isn't a Christian. To be a Christian you have to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. All I ever heard out of Rev. Wright or Fr. Pfleger was their calling on a hateful god to D=== America. That is not Christianity. Wright is a fake and I don't see why the Catholic Church has kept Fr. Pfleger around. He must have something on somebody. Of course he has been warned but doesn't seem to take. What a radical crew. So Obama can't even be loyal to those he sees eye to eye with I wouldn't count on his to stand up for a bunch of strangers.

Posted by: Carolyn | Oct 13, 2008 6:32:01 PM

In case you missed it over the weekend, a minister who gave the invocation at a McCain rally in Iowa couched his prayer in terms I've never heard before: God's own reputation is at stake in this election, he said, because so many Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists around the world are praying for an Obama victory that if Obama wins, they'll think "their god is bigger" than the Christian god.

Posted by: Blue | Oct 13, 2008 6:24:39 PM

If people really want to register there are many ways of doing so.
Court house, post office, on line etc etc...still have to show ID when they vote

Posted by: Sandi | Oct 13, 2008 6:22:54 PM

Posted by: gail | Oct 13, 2008 5:16:40 PM

Registering voters is a good thing but no matter how noble the intent, there is a lot of voter fraud perpetrated by Acorn. It's no longer a joke. The vote early vote often slogan of Chicago politics has no place in an election. When one of your ACORN workers signs up a college student who votes the same day at college and votes absentee in their home state they have nullified someone's legal vote. America is mad about this violation of our constitutional right to have a fair election. In 2006 Barak Obama spoke at a forum of community organizers sponsored by his old friend Deepak Bharagava, Exec. Dir. Center for Community Change, and an ex-ACORN leader. At that forum Obama promised the atendees that he would call them from all across the country to help him set his agenda for the first 100 days. ACORN has a stake in this race and It's monetary. They are corrupt and communist trained. I'm sure there are other organizations that could register voters without denying my rights.

Posted by: Carolyn | Oct 13, 2008 6:20:44 PM

I asked a question previously and would like to repeat it...

If Obama did not stand up against his own PASTOR...Can we expect him to stand up for America when we need him???

Posted by: Sandi | Oct 13, 2008 6:18:53 PM

I believe the early polls back in 2004 said John Kerry would win. It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Posted by: jennings | Oct 13, 2008 6:15:53 PM

A serious question: why are media silent about McCain's friendship with domestic terrorist Gordon Liddy?
_________

McCain, unlike Obama, has been very open about his association with Liddy.

He has acknowledged his friendship with him

Obama is the one who always retreats from any associations with which he had been involved... AS SOON AS THAT RELATIONSHIP THREATENS HIM POLITICALLY!

In other words, among other, less descriptive words,
Obama is a W U S S !!!!

Posted by: DON'T STAND FOR THIS! | Oct 13, 2008 6:14:06 PM

Why isn't the press talking about McCain's chummy relationship with conman Raffaelo Follieri? This is dirtier than acorn. He held his 70th birthday party on Follieri's boat. What did you talk about, McCain?

Posted by: USMC | Oct 13, 2008 6:13:50 PM

jpt:
"Obama backers today pointed out that McCain in February 2006 participated in a Miami rally in support of McCain’s immigration reform bill that was sponsored by ACORN as well as other groups, according to the press release. For whatever it's worth, a photo from that rally can be seen HERE. "

_____________

It's not worth much!

McCain and the Democrats had been working on a bi-partisan plant for immigration at that time.

Why shouldn't he have attended?

He wasn't involved in the mis-appropriation of Acorn's funds... or in the group's illegal revision of the voter registration records.....

And,in fact, McCain benefitted not one monetary whit from the little acorn which. once it fell not far from the Oak-ama, got really big and fat from rolling in Barry's dirt!

Posted by: DON'T STAND FOR THIS! | Oct 13, 2008 6:09:02 PM

A serious question: why are media silent about McCain's friendship with domestic terrorist Gordon Liddy?

Ayers has been all over the place for more than a week now, whereas McCain explicitly expressed his admiration for the criminal Liddy. What's at work here, is the MSM trying to get Obama down, simply bacause his campaign and its broad support are so amazingly strong?

As recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Gordon Liddy's syndicated radio show. Inexplicably, McCain heaped praise on his host's values. During the segment, McCain said he was "proud" of Liddy, and praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." From the program:

LIDDY: Your experience in the Hanoi Hilton is remarkable. I mean, I put in five years in a prison [for masterminding the Watergate burglary, and associated crimes], but it was here in the United States, and they didn't torture - the only torture that I had was being forced to listen to rap music from time to time.

McCAIN: Well, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of your family. I'm proud to know your son, Tom, who's a great and wonderful guy. And it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon. And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.

Which of Liddy's "principles and philosophies" was McCain referring to? Liddy's advocacy of break-ins? Firebombings? Assassinations? Kidnappings? Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary?

During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.

And this is NOT material to focus, whereas Obama sitting on a charity board with Ayers IS? It's unbelievable, and it indidates that the greatest lie of this race is that the MSM would be in Obama's tank.

On the contrary, as even Mark Penn remarked today (reflecting on the Keating scandal): the MSM been been critical of McCain's campaign, but it has given McCain as a man with VERY shady connections, a VERY shady campaign manager and a VERY shady past of political affiliations a free ride so far. And I'm sure they will continue to do so.

Posted by: jan | Oct 13, 2008 6:06:10 PM

Jake- "squirrely"? - I concur. I indicated the same in my Ad Wars article on Huff Post. Team Obama has been very good at reacting strongly to McCain attacks. Yet their response on not only ACORN, but the Ayers issue is a bit wanting. In the latest Obama ad, they refute a very minor point about McCain's Ayers assault - which does nothing to clear up misperceptions about this relationship. They need to do more - especially on ACORN. He's the best candidate - but his camp needs to be as forthcoming as possible.

Posted by: Mike Hughes | Oct 13, 2008 5:59:51 PM

So Carolyn,

Does he STILL have that same position on immigration reform? No?

hahahahah or what ever:
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So glad you asked. The bill he sponsored with Kennedy didn't get out of the Senate. It proposed a pathway to citizenship for illegals in the country and there was a huge bi-partisan grass roots opposition to it. It caused his campaign to stall even though last May he continued to say Immigration was a priority and agreed with the majority of Americans (that's the way a Democracy works) that he heard the people and would secure the border first. He has remained silent on the pathway to citizenship for illigals in the country. The bruhaha (excuse the pun) comes fom Acorn. The Obama is using Acorn to attack McCain because he is attacking Obama. You do know ACORN is acting as the strong arm thugs of the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Carolyn | Oct 13, 2008 5:48:26 PM

brooklyn dumbocrat:


"but based on what he was billing Fannie, they couldn't handle his rates.

____

Why?

Obama came in second scooping up all the extra money from F&F.... and he was in on it for the shortest period of time!

Is crime sanctified only in the hands of Democrats?


hmmmmmmm?

Is crime

Posted by: DON'T STAND FOR THIS! | Oct 13, 2008 5:44:19 PM

"...there will be no voter intimidation from the conservatives this time.
Posted by: bah | Oct 13, 2008 5:25:43 PM

_________________

It was never the conservatives who we were worried about when it comes to voter intimidation!

Posted by: DON'T STAND FOR THIS! | Oct 13, 2008 5:38:39 PM

Acorn...the latest Rethuglican distraction of the day. I'm certain that the "have nots" would rather have McCain Mouthpiece Rick Davis as their lobbyist but based on what he was billing Fannie, they couldn't handle his rates.

Last week it was Ayers and all the those domestic terrorist lovin' Chicago corporate, media, educational and political leaders who worked with Obama on the Repbulican-funded Annenberg Challenge. One of his fellow board members was an Asst. Sec. of State under Nixon. Another was the publisher of that Commie Pinko rag, the Chicago Tribune. Yet another was the former president of Northwestern University (aka Patrice Lumumba University West). All of them...pallin' around with domestic terrorists!

The week before, Fannie, Freddie, the Community Reinvestment Act, and minority mortgage recipients were the cause of the world's economic meltdown.

I'm eager to see what this week's distractions will be as McCain has again hit the "reset" button and is lurching into "respectful" campaign mode. The lunatic fringe mob rallies must have been scaring the bejesus out of undecided voters.

While you're reading and seeing this nonsense in the three weeks ahead, remember that a McCain strategist told the NY Daily News on 10/05/08 that "if we keep talking about the economic crisis, we're going to lose."

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | Oct 13, 2008 5:35:45 PM

John McCain – “Foresight that only comes with AGE”

"There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

" I believe that the success will be fairly easy." [CNN, 9/24/02]

"We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. " [CNN, 9/29/02]

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]

"But I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." [NBC, 3/20/03]

"It’s clear that the end is very much in sight." [ABC, 4/9/03]

"This is a mission accomplished.." [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]

"I’m confident we’re on the right course." [ABC News, 3/7/04]

Can you give an estimate when can our troops come home? (Matt Lauer) “No, but that's not too important,” [ABC 6/11/08]

“There were those of us who knew along that this would be difficult” (TV interview 07/08)……

..Uh, sure you did Maverick, sure you did.

Posted by: Words of a "Maverick" | Oct 13, 2008 5:28:53 PM

TIM RUSSERT: The fact is you are different than George Bush.

SEN. McCAIN: No. No. The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.

Posted by: Words of a "Maverick" | Oct 13, 2008 5:27:20 PM

You didn't know McCain supported immigration reform! Everybody knows that. That's one of the reasons he is not Mr. Congeniality in the Senate because he went against his party on Immigration Reform. You people don't know John McCain do you
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So Carolyn,

Does he STILL have that same position on immigration reform? No?

How about those Bush tax cuts that he "stood up to his party" against? No?

Perhaps you should get your nose out of these blogs and look at all these "stands" on which he's caved right back to the GOP. How will a cheerio head like yourself learn if you don't quit buying all that psuedo-maverick BS.

Yah, I KNOW McCain. Why don't you?

"I would rather sell my integrity than lose an election"

Posted by: Hahahahahaha | Oct 13, 2008 5:26:00 PM


talk about an *** whupping from da brothaz...we have a better more appropriate local security force lined up to make sure the voting locally is fair this time...there will be no voter intimidation from the conservatives this time.

Posted by: bah | Oct 13, 2008 5:25:43 PM

If everyone who votes has the same intelligence and mentality of the remarks made by those here then we all just need to stay home 11/04...
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Now that makes about as much sense as what I am reading!

Posted by: Sandi | Oct 13, 2008 5:24:29 PM

"Without an ID, the registrations cannot get used."

The hell you say.

An ID?

That's racist!

BTW, the votes in Illinois have already been counted. Obama got 100% of them.

Thanks, ACORN!

Posted by: drjohn | Oct 13, 2008 5:22:25 PM

If ACORN is not a problem, then why did Obama lie about it?

Why does his website lie about it?

Why did Obama lie about the $800,000 to ACORN for "advance work"?

"Advance work"

That's Obamaspeak for voter fraud.

Posted by: drjohn | Oct 13, 2008 5:19:44 PM

I guess, I'll be stupid to vote Republican, since, almost 28 years ago, from Nixon(Recession, put a freeze on the Economy & Spending, Impeached the Liar), Ford,(lame duck) Regan(Deficits soar upward), BushI(Voodoo Economics & "Read My Lips, No New Taxes", rose them anyway) and BushII(Depression)!!!!

Where is my trickle down money??????

The rich, RICHER!!!! Even their Friends!!!

Forgot about the middle class, working poor, poor, educated and uneducated people!!!!

Republican Party have stolen over the years, far more than $700 billion and it shows!!!

Think before you vote!!!!!

THE MASK FINALLY CAME OFF!!!!!

Nov. 4th = OBAMA/BIDEN08

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | Oct 13, 2008 5:18:25 PM

sniff sniff... i smell republican fear.

Posted by: bah | Oct 13, 2008 5:17:14 PM

so what exactly is the issue with ACORN? It registers the poor and lower middle class to vote. Gee,how horrible. And sometimes, people fill out applications with phoney information. Gee,how unusual. You remember those republican volunteers in 2004 who went thru the forms and then threw in the garbage any that indicated Democratic registration? Any outrage at that.

Bottom line: when you register people, you turn in the forms. You can't cull them yourself. Mickey Mouse will never vote. Voter fraud is voting with a false ID. That's not the issue here, so stop calling it voter fraud.

Voter fraud is, say, less than 1/2 the number of machines that work in minority polling places. Voting fraud is challenging people's registration becuase their name sounds like that of someone with a felony...just knock them all off if not sure (recall Florida). voting fraud is machines that register more votes than sign ins, or like in Florida again (and then Ohio) registering negative numbers for the Democrat.

Gee, wonder why we only worry about "voter fraud" when it involves the poor.

Posted by: gail | Oct 13, 2008 5:16:40 PM

what was the 800 thousand $$$ FOR??

Posted by: Jr Ewing | Oct 13, 2008 5:10:21 PM

YAY!!HOORAY!! DEMOCRATS IN POWER AGAIN!!!CANT COME SOON ENOUGH!!!

GO JOE.GO MARY.GO HARRY.GO OBAMA!!!!!!
YOU HAVE SOME FISH TO FRY ,GET WITH IT!!!

WE ,THE REAL PEOPLE WILL FIX YOUR ELITIST REPUBLICAN SCREW UPS AND WE WILL ALSO INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE AND INVESTIGATE SOME MORE. WE CAN MULTI TASK...UNLIKE MCCAIN

AND LISTEN UP...ONCE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SEES WHAT REALLY HAS OCCURRED IN THE OVAL OFFICE OVER THE PAST 8 YEARS,AND FINALLY GETS THE REAL BIG PICTURE ,THERE WONT BE A REPUBLICAN AROUND TO VOTE FOR...THEY WILL ALL BE IN JAIL OR RESIGNED UNDER PUBLIC PRESSURE OR RUN OUT OF THIS COUNTRY ON A RAIL.

IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN , HEED THIS...

BE AFRAID...BE VERY VERY VERY AFRAID.

Posted by: bah | Oct 13, 2008 5:09:53 PM