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I THINK THAT THE COMIC MEANT THAT IN ADDITION TO THE WEATHERMEN, AYERS FELT THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AGAINST THE VIETNAM WAR DID NOT DO ENOUGH TO END THE WAR. HE DID NOT RECOMMEND THE METHODS HE THOUGHT THEY SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED.

THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER AYERS IS CORRECT OR NOT, IT IS TO TAKE UP THE CAMPAIGN IMPUGNING OBAMA AND NOT DISCUSSING REAL ISSUES THAT CONCERN THE UNITED STATES' ELECTORATE.

It is not just Obamas relationship with Ayers; it is also his involvement with Rev. Wright, Tony Risko, Father Flagran and Khalidi (that we know of) that is of great concern; these people are radicals to the core. If Obama is elected, he will need to fill over 3000 positions in his administration; who do you think will come calling for him to return the favors to these people for helping him to get to where he is?

In his book, Audacity of Hope, Obama said, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
The saying is very true: you become the company you keep!

Do you know the backgrounds of everyone you associate with? I can guarantee you that you don't.

This Ayers thing is just a ludicrous witch hunt.

Perhaps you should question McCain as to why the Annenbergs donated to him? They are the ones who had Ayers on their board. They must be terrorists and these terrorists are funding McCain! Oh, my!!

You people make me sick trying to put down a good man like Barack Obama.

You people make me sick trying to demonize ACORN. A bi-partisan organization that has been around for many years that helps poor people. An organization that was following the laws and reported the suspicious registrations but had to turn them in by law. Whose to say a Republican plant wasn't put into the group to purposely make out false registrations? Eh? It's not beneath a Republican to do something like that. Republicans even eat their own. Look what the Bush campaign did to McCain when he ran before.

Go ahead and vote against your own best interest. Give more to the rich and kick the poor in the teeth. Our founding fathers will once more roll in their graves.

I've heard that Obama is paling around with the descendants of civil war veterans as well. Unrepentant terrorists from the civil war who were given amnesty for their terroristic acts against the sovereign nation of America! And he wants their descendants to vote for him. He even invites the descendants of civil war terrorists into his very own home!

I am praying that the republican nightmare is finally ending and along with it, their attitudes and strategies of promoting guilt by association, rumor mongering, character assassination, fear mongering, xenophobia, and racism, as well as anti-intellectualism. My grandmother told me in 1960 that only bad will happen when the republicans gain power, and I have found that to be true. I am also hopeful the media will stop coddling the ultra right wing conservatives, just because they slam their fist on the table and scream about being treated unjustly – when their stupid ideas are actually called stupid. Most of the ultra conservative philosophies, from creationism to trickle down economics have been leading to the destruction of all the great principles that have created the greatest country in the world.
Raising associations with Ayes - an aging professor, who wants to hold onto the romantic notion that his efforts forty years ago, as violent and unacceptable as they were, somehow made a difference in the Vietnam debate for the good - is a very sad example of the desperate lengths the conservative movement is willing to go to try to assassinate someone’s character via an association for political gain. Ayes had no impact on the debate on the Vietnam war. He is a person of absolute insignificance on the world and national stages. And by now history has shown that his violent activities (as with all terrorist attacks) only served to hurt the very cause he claimed to promote. Terrorism is always the choice of the faithless coward.
In many ways Ayers stubborn inability to fully renounce those activities and see them for what they are is a reflection of John McCain’s unwillingness to disassociate him with the failed conservative policies that he has lived all his live espousing and believing. HE STILL WANTS TO USE THESE SAME STRATEGIES today, to deal with the very crisis they created. At least Ayers is willing to concede that violent civil protests may not have been the best choice (yea, he is getting close, but no cigar yet). I feel sorry for both men, at least Ayers seems close to an epiphany and maybe he will realize someday soon that his violent activities were antithetical, hypocritical and anti-productive given his stated goals. I do not think John will ever have such a moment.
Just so we are clear, I am in no way trying to say that John’s conservatism is the same as Ayers terrorism. Ayers tried to arrogantly and illegally take matters in his own hands, did not participate in a debate, and had insufficient faith in the correctness of his own beliefs leading him to selfishly and cowardly acts that threaten people’s lives: he was just lucky he never killed anyone. His activities were arrogant and self centered. John McCain is a far nobler human being who has given this country his dedication, service and honorably contributes to the debate in this country (well except for a few rather sleazy negative ads out there in TV land that I have to tolerate every five seconds in my battleground state).

to Noted -- the original reports on the drunk trooper document the tasering.

Who is John McCain?

Yesterday after a week of hateful anti-Obama events, McCain told supporters that Obama is a decent man, and that that they shouldn't be scared if Obama becomes Presidents. But McCain approves the ads that claim Obama supports terrorism.

The Ayers-McCain connection.
They both received money from the Annenbergs. Should McCain denounce the Annenbergs who hired Ayers. Should he claim that the Annebergs suppport domestic terrorism? Why has McCain not returned the money he received from the Annenbergs? Annenberg was an Ambassador during the Reagan years.

Why has McCain not denounced or returned the money he has received from CAC Board member and former Nixon Assistant Secretary of Labor Arnold Weber?

To Wow,

You have taken the side of Powerful against the weaker although there is no proof that the trooper did the things that Ms Palin said he did.

It It seems that 'fair justice for all' are words foreign to the extreme right.

GREED and DISHONESTY are illnesses

so let me get this straight greg. you think a drunk who tasers kids ought to have a gun and a badge? that's who you want in law enforcment?

wow

Old news people. Ayers is old news. New news? Palin found guilty of ethics violation in Alaska.

So you can keep harping on an old 60's nut case...or you can talk about someone who abuses their power running for VP.

Which one has an impact on your life today huh??

Get real. Obama got hired for Annenberg board by Ayers, he supported the radical grants the board made, he gave a glowing review of Ayers' America-hating book on criminal justice and Ayers and his awful wife launched Obama's career at their house.

And we're supposed to believe this doesn't mean something? How dumb do they think the public is?

Mr. Clueless ought to be run out of town on a rail.

Mr. board member and others -- put aside the association with ayers theme and LOOK at what obama and ayers did with the annenberg money. this was not some benign activity funding the three Rs. Their idea of "education reform" was to fund one radical group after another. Not what I'd want in my school and I'll bet not what most other Americans would want either. Look at it! That alone is reason to qustion Mr. O's so-called executive experience, even if Ayers weren't a terrorist.

Quit accepting what the media keeps calling "education reform." It wasn't. And by the way, it did not good. Millions wasted. Annenberg is probably spinning in his grave.

Why did David Axelrod, Obama's senior campaign official tell us that Obama did not know Ayers was a terrorist? Then we here that Obama knew but thought he was "rehabilitated" and now he doesn't think he was rehability.

Michelle Obama worked with Dorhn @ Austin Sibley until Dorhn left the firm after she could not be admitted to the Chicago bar - she would not appologize. Michelle Obama left Austin Sibley to go to work for Mayor Daley and Bill Ayers was working with Mayor Daley on the same issues at the same time.

ABSleeze spends all its time spinning for Obama. There is absolutely no attempt to report the facts. Shamefull.

This is absurd to even be in the news! I sit on a board. I have never asked any of the members what they were doing 40 years ago. Nor do I care. I care what they are doing now.

It is hard to believe how easily Americans can be led.

As somebody wiser than me said: It is all about the excellence of marketing and the gullibility of the people.

Can someone please write to Obama and tell him what he needs to think and say this time because he keeps getting confused

I don't recall reading that Palin released her own Troopergate report exonerating herself. That is ludicrous enough to discuss, don't you think. Where is the public outrage at the race baiting at McCain's rallys? Why won't the networks call him on it? Why do they continue to smear Obama (Ayers) when they know the truth? Where is the integrity in journalism? Where are the real journalists? I think we should boycott all sites that do not treat both candidates equally. Not to do so is to condone the behavior. To paraphrase the adage, we must stand for something or we will fall for anything. Posted by: Ihjt | Oct 10, 2008 5:29:54 PM
Since we are airing candidate's dirty laundry, how about John McCain left his disabled wife- who had lobbied extensively for his release- for Cindy, and, to add insult to injury, John's mother sued the poor lady for wedding trinkets. How about Cindy McCain stole and was addicted to drugs that should have gone to poor children. How about she did this because John was entangled in the Keating 5 scandal. How about John McCain was involved, perhaps inappropriately, with a female lobbyist. I could go on and on, but I simply do not have the years to devote to it.

Of COURSE this latest version of truth is not more true than any of Obama's earlier versions of the truth. "He's just a guy in the neighborhood" became "He did not know who he was before they met in Ayers living room" became "They had met before his political launch but he didn't realize it was THAT Ayers" became "He learned about his past at some point" became "I thought he had been rehabilitated." Rehabilitated HOW, Sen. Obama? And once you knew he was NOT rehabilitated, did you disassociate yourself from him? Speak up? Go along to get along? Start figuring how to spin it when you launched your national campaign?

The folks who helped Obama get elected in Chicago (Wright, Ayers, Rezko) don't play so well on the national stage.

Google "Steve Stoll and Sarah Palin." Want to know who's really pallin' around with terrorists? As it turns out, Sarah "Joe Sixpack, hockey mom" Palin, that's who. This story is about to break big and finish the job McCain has done of ruining his campaign. McCain blew it by picking Palin, especially now that it's come to light that she supports terrorism on our own soil. Go ahead and read up on it now, Steve Stoll and Sarah Palin. If you aren't a KKK member, you'll be shocked, disgusted and frightened of this enemy combatant McCain picked as his running mate. No exaggeration here. This is terrifying stuff. Really terrifying as her ties to this group are as current as 2008.

If you really put country first, you'll be voting OBAMA/BIDEN 2008.

Can you imagine Cindy McCain taking drugs from people who really needed them, shameful. Talking about that makes about as much sense as talking about Ayers.
The problem with you Republicans is you can't go forward because you are talking backwards.
Obama all the way to the White House.
Cory

This nuance of whether or not Ayers is "sufficiently" rehabilitated is midding the point. It still has nothing to do with Obama.

Obama condemned Ayers' crimes, but was willing to work with him 40 years later to get some good things done. Obama works with a wide assortment of people all the time, whether he thinks they might have done something bad in the past is hardly relevant.

Shamefully, the media has given Obama a free pass. Obama’s associations with shady characters, ex-terrorists, and extreme socialists has been downplayed or totally ignored by the media.

During the primaries you [the media] decided that Obama was going to be the next president. What makes this travesty more outrageous is that television and radio networks using the public’s airways operate under licenses owned by us the citizens.

Who gave you the right to so flagrantly try to influence the outcome of a presidential election?

It is critical that Obama’s background be scrutinized as has been that of all other candidates. To you network executives I say, look closely at all the Wall Street executives; you might be held accountable next.

>>>PJO110 | Oct 10, 2008 6:12:18 PM

Are THOSE people running for President?

PINNOCHIO......

This man's nose would be worn out!!

NOW.. we are learning about ACORN?
And, again....more explanations.....no ties said TEAM OBAMA -- what is $800,000?

How many different explanations on Ayers......I reviewed the video of the ABC debate with Hillary over Ayers. Ayers educational ties are with Chavez and that was Obama's explanation today.

Remember how many explanations on Rev Wright? Remember what he said about his grandmother?

Isn't everyone upset because they said Bush was so secretive? AND THIS IS MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!

PLEASE ..
LOOK AT OBAMA'S RECORD. WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO COME UP?

It is too late for the old man and his militia gang to derail the Obama Express. Obama is very honest, very staright forward, very likeable, very sincere and above all real gentleman. He deserves to be OUR PRESIDENT, when Bush-Cheney and McCain have dumped us in to a cesspool. Bush-Cheney must be indicted for their crimes and McCain must be sent to Arizona Desert to enjoy his retirement.

Logan Act violation??? No penalty??? Any Foreign Policy experience or knowledge???

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§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

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It has been alleged that during his July visit to Iraq and during discussions with the Iraqi leadership, Sen. Obama attempted to have negotiations regarding the status of troop withdrawals delayed until there was a new administration in office, either his or Sen. McCain’s. This ostensibly occurred while the Bush Administration was in fact in the process of conducting negotiations in this regard. In the interim, Sen. Obama has offered various explanations, but the basic fact is that IF he did as alleged, he should be charged with a felony under the Logan Act, above. For more information, see TexasDarlin and other blogs, plus the New York Post. Search under ‘Zebari’ and ‘Taheri’, who is the Post columnist who broke the story.

Obama's greatest accomplishment has been to somehow convince voters that McCain (who democrats have loved for 2 decades) is the same as George Bush (who they understood was extremely different when he campaigned against McCain in 2000). Obama supporters have concentrated so much hatred on George Bush that they have not taken a close look at who it is they are supporting. They have not demanded the details of what Obama has done for even the last 10 years.

The accepted answer to the Ayers question in the primary was that Ayers was some guy that lived in Obama's neighborhood and quit asking these "guilt by association" questions!

But Obama has an extremely limited history. By all means don't remove his honest associations! In the absence of all associations, he has only his ability to campaign. And in the words of his former pastor, "Obama says what he says because he is a politician".

Obama may actually benefit by having so many questionable associations. Many voters will accept his defense against any one of them and not understand how deep-rooted the others are. They may not consider that even if you believe he is not corrupt, his inability to identify corruption is a dangerous trait for a President. They may not realize that this is what they hated most about George Bush.

Nobody has suggested that Obama is "guilty" of what Ayers has done. The evidence suggests that they hold similar views. Had the public records that were finally released last week regarding his association with Ayers been available during the primary, he certainly would have lost to Hillary.

The money did not go to schools. It went to what Ayer's referred to as radical education reform. So the question is, do you believe that Ayers selected someone with similar radical views to hand out this money?

Obama's Other trye friens!
This is a story we’ve largely missed. While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. Typically, media background pieces note that, on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill. In fact, Obama’s Acorn connection is far more extensive. In the few stories where Obama’s role as an Acorn “leadership trainer” is noted, or his seats on the boards of foundations that may have supported Acorn are discussed, there is little follow-up. Even these more extensive reports miss many aspects of Obama’s ties to Acorn.

where does race come into this?

The only ones who keep bringing it up are Obama supporters.....

Is this the only platform Obama has to fall back/ off of?

Isn't he "everyman" BI racial?

Why does it become a matter of race when someone shows up HIS warts and scars......?

Methinks Obama and his followers... protest too much!

One day we will all look back at this election season and be ashamed. In case you ever wondered, this is what racism looks like. It is the journalists assisting McCain in slandering a candidate because of his race. When was the last time that a candidate with Obama's credentials was said to be unqualified to be president? The columns that perpetuate lies are plentiful. The writers pretend that they are informing the people, because that lets them sleep at night.

I don't recall reading that Palin released her own Troopergate report exonerating herself. That is ludicrous enough to discuss, don't you think. Where is the public outrage at the race baiting at McCain's rallys? Why won't the networks call him on it? Why do they continue to smear Obama (Ayers) when they know the truth? Where is the integrity in journalism? Where are the real journalists? I think we should boycott all sites that do not treat both candidates equally. Not to do so is to condone the behavior. To paraphrase the adage, we must stand for something or we will fall for anything.

Obama was the impetus in back of troopergate; he sent his spies to search out all warts and scars embodied by a woman who came to the national political arena with an 80per cent approval rating from her state!

Well, that sounded like too much competition for the other newbie in town, B O, so he decided to send his goons up to Alaska and treat her like he's treated each and every other one of his competitors.

Just never forget that Obama is the slickest of Chicago politicians... taught at the knee of an expert, Emil Jones, and fostered by the king of advertising, Herbert Axelrod!

Old slick-um.... can certainly pick=um...

But I'll pass... or maybe write in "axelrod" as a candidate!

McCain considers Charles Keating to be a close personal friend going on several decades now.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 10, 2008 4:52:45 PM
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... A close friend who has paid his dues to society.... and learned his lesson.

Obama waits until all the dirt is in before he flings HIS friends... Jeremiah, his white grandmother, Pfleger, into the crocodile pond....

WHOOOOPS!

There goes Ayers!

Who's next?

The race card again.

By the way, I don't think the slam on universities has to do with the sciences, Professor. It's the humanities. Look at Duke.

Obviously that should have been Marxism and not Maxism. Another typo.

Look at the education reform Obama and Ayers supported with $$ through Annenberg. Folks, it wasn't reading and writing!!!

"I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Senator Obama would support any of those, as well."

-- John McCain, in reference to the Jeremiah Wright controversy

As someone else pointed out, the statute of limitations may not have run out on crimes Ayers has committed. He may still be on the lam.
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Go ahead folks, be useful idiots.

Whatever.

"You are known by the company you keep."

McCain sat on the board of a group that traded arms with Iran and financed right wing death squads in Nicaragua

McCain considers Charles Keating to be a close personal friend going on several decades now.

Tex You are known by the company you keep.

He's hiding his bar application and his college transcripts.

This guy couldn't get hired by the Secret Service or FBI because of his association with Ayers and the hidden transcripts.

Wow.

The fact Obama doesn't think this matters tells me all I need to know about his lack of judgment. Plus, if he's been hiding this bit of his past, what else is Obama hiding??

Not to mention Obama's association with ACORN, wanted across the country for voter fraud.

Now that's community organizing!

Ayers, Wright, Dorn, Frank Marshall Davis and all of Obama's other associates do hate America. They want to change America from the America set up by our Founding Fathers into a Marxist utopia of their own making. Just listen to them. God damn America from Rev Wright. Have you ever read Ayer's views and Frank Marshall Davis poetry about the country? Have you ever listened to Obama himself. He says all the time that America is no what he thinks it should be and he wants to change it. He never says America is good or great. It's always flawed. And stop with the crap about Liddy and Oliver North. They were fighting FOR America and our interests against the very kind of radical communists and stalinists that Obama and his ilk support. Ayer's was fighting his OWN country. And bombing and killing people in his OWN country. And if Liddy and North did anything wrong, they have paid the price for it. Ayers got off on a technicality and then even went on to flippantly say something like "guilty as hell and free as a bird. Only in America" What a jerk. There is no comparison between him and Oliver North. North is a patriot. Ayer's is an America-hating Marxist.

Jake, you're very smart--you realize that there won't be a job for you in a McCain administration unless there IS a McCain administration. But how about, just once, covering something that the other 55% of Americans care about?

Murtagh was a kid at the time Ayers and Co. tried to kill him and his family. Hid dad was a judge.

Look at the way they spent the Annenberg money. Look at Ayers' educational philosophy. Think about whether that's what you want in your schools.

It's scary stuff.

LTTE to the NYT from William Ibershof, the lead prosecutor of the Weatherman.

"As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago."

I'll say it again -- Ayers (Marko, take note of the correct spelling), Dohrn, Wright, Pfleger, Rezko. How many of us have a group of friends like that?

Does the man have any friends who aren't unsavory?

Marko have you seen Rev. Wright's "goddamn America" video?

What do you call that?

Marko I haven't met any terrorists at my PTO.

Must be strange in Chicago.

Hey Marko -- Ayers got off on a technicality. His own quote is "free as a bird, guilty as sin." Yeah, guilty of trying to kill people like policemen. And, he said quite recently that he wished he'd done more back in the day.

That's Mr. O's friend.

It makes me ashamed to think many of the commentators here are also Americans.

Frankly, I don't care if Obama's ties to Ayres are every bit as strong as Obama-haters claim. So what? He was on a board of a non-profit educational foundation with Ayres, with a lot of other people. Big Deal. He attended a Democratic political meeting in Ayres house, at which time he may or may not have known about Ayres' past. Again, Big Deal. You get involved in politics, civic affairs or even the PTA, chances are you'll rub elbows with some people whose past you don't endorse. Show me some proof that Obama was making bombs in a basement with Ayres and I'll worry about their supposed association. And need I remind everyone that Ayres was never convicted of anything? As opposed to the likes of McCain pal G. Gordon Liddy or Oliver North, who sent arms to terrorist state Iran (doesn't providing weapons to a terrorist state make one a terrorist?). Both of them darlings of the Right, I might add.

I also take exception to all the people calling Ayres or Wright America-haters. Ayres he opposed the Vietnam war. You can do that, even in violent fashion, and love America; in fact love it so much that you resort to violent means to stop it from doing something you consider wrong. Wright has criticized the U.S. government for many things (and there is, let's be honest, much to criticize over the years. Our ability to criticize is what makes America great). Again, not necessarily a sign you hate America. And if you look at his record of good works, he's really more one of the first President Bush's Thousand Points of Light or our current President's faith-based initiatives.

Not paying your taxes, now THAT's the work of someone who hates America.

Damn straight, Bishop.

Ayers' dad was a big shot with a utility and got him off the hook for his murderous activities. Got the lovely Ms. Dohrn a job at Sidley Austin law firm. Dohrn got the job even though she couldn't practice law because she had a criminal conviction...

In 2002 Ayers was on the cover of some paper stomping on the flag and let me tell you to this day it pisses me right the h off because this is what those that protested the war did my Husband was drafted but Ayers daddy was a big shot like all the other kids who were protesting the city's that were burned the roits will never be forgotten the cofins draped with flags at dover thousands some of us had no choice but Ayers did.I will never vote for a socialist.

Hey folks, it's like Rev. Wright said. Obama will do whatever he needs to do to get elected. That's what we're seeing.

Distraction and Distortion. Hate, Anger and Fear is all they've got.

The other members of the Annenberg Board need to issue a joint statement condemning this. Evil prospers when good men remain silent.

Every time a question is asked about Obama, we get either (1) an attempt to change the subject or (2) the next in a string of evolutionary answers, to wit: He's just a guy in my neighborhood, I didn't know he was a terrorist, I knew he was a terrorist but thought he was rehabilitated.

I never heard the racist comments. I could never disassociate myself from him, no more so than my white grandmother.

What a load of crap.

If you had no problem associating with someone, be stand up enough to say so. But don't insult our intelligence.

Dear Mr. Obama!

When you first learned of these Ayers acts, why did you not run away from him as fast as you could, instead, continuing to meet w/ him, serve on boards w/ him, give speeches with him? Also, how would any sort of rehabilitation make up for what this man did?

Sincerely,

-Millions of people who you want to vote for you next month

Someone (helloooo media) ought to take a look at the "educational reform" ideas Ayers and Obama were pushing through Annenberg. Educational reform sounds benign. Take a look at what Ayers means by reform and who got the Annenberg money. That's Obama's so-called executive experience. Wouldn't want that "reform" in my public schools.

ACORN: Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

Well, at least we know now what "community organizers" do.

I watched the news showing McCain’s interview on Fox being televised on CNN, FOX, and other networks. In the interview McCain said he wanted Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks for public truth from Obama, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE to avoid public scrutiny. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama. Do you smell hypocrisy?

I don’t want to hear this excuse that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. Palin was in office as a government official during TROOPERGATE while Obama was eight years old when Ayers did his despicable act. You tell me which has more validity in applying a standard of judgment -- a person governing when the act was being committed or a person who was eight years old when someone else committed the act?

If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Sounds like Bush/Chaney tactic to twist the law f to protect them elves and those they surround themselves with. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. The public deserves the truth by her testifying in front of an INDEPENDENT board, not one she picks. How many middle class citizens you know that would get away with ignoring a subpoena -- hmmm, I guess if you could hire high powered lawyers to put you and your cronnies above the law, you could.

Come on, what are you afraid of McCain, the truth? McCain keeps preaching about transparency in government, but I guess that only applies to others, not himself or those he surrounds himself with.

McCain seems to wear hypocrisy as well as one of his thousand dollar suits. His campaign and campaign tactics looks more and more like the same eight years of Bush scare tactics that middle class come to despise. BUSH SCARE TACTICS MAY OF WORKED FOR THE WAR, BUT IT WON'T WORK FOR THE ECONOMY. WE SWALLOWED THE BUSH SCARE TACTIC PILL BEFORE AND THE ONLY CURE FOR THIS CANCER IS TO PUT IN OFFICE SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T REFLECT BUSH POLICIES WHILE CAMPAIGNING -- WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A BETTER WAY AND THAT SURE ISN'T THE MCCAIN’S HYPOCRISY POLICY THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE ELSE, WHILE HE APPLIES DIFFERENT STANDARDS TO HIMSELF AND THE HYPOCRITES HE SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH.

BRING IT ON, MCCAIN AT THE NEXT DEBATE. I DARE YOU!

"Ask the people in Chicago -- Ayers is simply part of the scene"

Thank you. So is Obama. The scene is radical liberalism.

When will Obama be asked about his memebership in the Democratic Socialists of America? There is documented evidence of his attendence at meetings.

(and spare us the Obamabot talking points about Alaska)

Ayers, Dohrn, Rev. Wright, Rev. Pfleger, Rezko -- pretty unsavory list of friends, Mr. Obama. And yeah, pin that on a Republican and he'd be toast.

Ask the people in Chicago -- Ayers is simply part of the scene, and no one thought anything of it until this election. McCain is throwing mud and hoping some sticks.

If we're going to talk about the 1960s, let's talk about McCain and his acceptance of the bombing of civilians in Viet Nam as "patriotic duty." Didn't McCain himself admit in a 1997 interview with Mike Wallace that he (McCain) was (is) a "war criminal"? His words, not mine.

If John McCain fail to see the Viet Nam war as immoral and the Iraq war as both immoral and illegal, then I have no use for the man nor anyone who would even consider voting for him.

My dad always said, if you want to see a person's real caharacter, watch what he does when boxed into a corner. With his attack politics McCain has revealed himself to be pathetic.

Just to illustrate how stupid this whole guilt-by-association meme is:

Several Republicans have been indicted and convicted of corruption, sexual misconduct and other charges.

John McCain is a Republican and is known to have associated with many of these individuals. He served on committees with some of them, and may have, on occasion, had social contact with men later revealed to be criminals and/or pedophiles and/or guys with unusually wide stances.

So how certain are we, really, that John McCain is not secretly a criminal pedophile with an unusually wide stance?

Is any of this penetrating? Hello, McFly! It's just another pointless, vapid iteration of the old Rove smear machine, like the earlier versions it's all blatant lies and innuendo, and just because a lie is repeated an infinite number of times by brainless sock-puppets like Hannity does not make it any more credible than the first utterance.

Good grief, people! Use that squishy gray stuff between your ears for something other than to keep your head from imploding!

The bottom-line to all of this is that Obama has not been voluntarily forthcoming and has outright LIED about the extent of his involvement with William Ayers and ACORN.

Additionally, if not moreover, Obama's repeated claim that our current financial crisis is the result of the last eight years of Bush's failed policies is not only an outright LIE but, since Obama played an instrumental role in ACORN obtaining thousands of sub-prime mortgage loans, it's a HYPOCRITICAL LIE.

NObama! NO way! NO shape! NO form!

"If McCain had even just shared a cup of coffee with Timothy McVeigh, his campaign would be toast. "

McVeigh was a killer - he took out hundreds - and for no reason - how can a thinking person compare the two...

How about if McCain had a relationship with a convicted criminal who worked to undermine democracy and went to prison for it?

he did - his name is G. Gordon Liddy - and haters like you don't care about little facts like that!

"Were you even alive in the 60s? Those were different times back then. I don't agree with his attacks, but things were different then."
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Things were different then in that people were fighting BACK against dubious US military missions. NOW we have a supposedly-Democratic mob-friendly nominee who intends to escalate in Afghanistan AND keep his "left" cred by indulging celebrity bombers from the sixties.

Voting for Nader couldn't hurt.

Like I said earlier, McCain's idiotic attempts to smear Obama wouldn't get so much coverage (as if it's news instead of the rantings of a losing candidate) if the media (including CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.) didn't give it so much traction.

When Obama wins the election, the mainstream media is going to have less credibility than ever before.

OH BY THE WAY I AM NOT F