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I copied the below directly from the constitution. Article I is on the Legislative branch. Biden said it was the Executive. It also clearly implies that the President Pro Temp only leads the Senate when the VP is not there. It also only gives an example of this when he takes over for the US President. John Adams was always present when the Senate was in session.

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States."

GROW UP SARAH. DO THAT AND YOU WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN/PALIN. THE ONLY ONES YOU CAN REALLY TRUST. YOU WILL ALSO REALIZE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A JOKE. GO SARAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Biden defenitely did so well. He is awsesome.
Palin did so well on reciting was she was asked to memorized. My grade 6 students are almost comparable to her.

Nice catch Beth,

Biden can't be trusted. He has lied too much.

I can still see Joe Biden's smirk and his long winded sighs at the debate last night.

Biden was clearly upset. His performance was "palin" comparison to Sarah Palin's dominant win in the debate last night.

The more Joe let out a sigh, the more he lied. And it was numerous times for both.

I like how Biden admitted Obama needs him to sit in on every meeting to advise Obama.

Obama is evidently weak.

Biden says he talks to the people at "Katie's Diner"......except that place closed during Clinton's Presidency.

Laughing my tail off. Just posted comment few minutes ago and it has been deleted. So much for freedom of expression on this site. I had made a comment about truth and where to go and get it so they didnt like what I said so they deleted my comment. Thats ok though because I never pay any attention to this site anyway. And now I know why I haven't.

And this, no doubt, from a liberal that thinks they stand against sexism, not to mention some misguided notion that Alaskans somehow do not qualify for office. Perhaps the commentor should check off comments with Mom or Grandmother before looking foolish.

".....for a folksy babe reciting scripts who's only obsession seems to be Alaska, of all places?"

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You guys should really READ THE CONSTITUTION before you get it wrong.

The VP is discussed in Article I and II.

The VP presides over the Senate as President of it but doesn't run it. The majority party runs the Senate business.

The VP is rarely in the Senate chamber as a President pro tempore is selected to "preside" in place of the VP.

The VP only votes to break ties. The VP also certifies the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College.

We know that the economy was badly bruised by the "fairness" of loaning money to people who cannot repay it. Do we need more "fairness" in the economy by driving all of the capital underground or out of the country.

Go Palin!

We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.

Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.

Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.

Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic

I liked the part where the word FALSE was stamped over Bidens hairplugs

Sarah was great! She got my vote

Undecided no more.

Jake, why is nobody commenting on Palin's idea or desire to "more power to the Vice-President"?

Isn't that a somewhat scary thing to say for a folksy babe reciting scripts who's only obsession seems to be Alaska, of all places?

What would Palin do with "more power"? What kind of power?

Please look into that. It was one of the very few interesting things she said last night.

Lots of fact checking, but not on this one. Obama & Biden & other Dems keep claiming that what led to the current financial crisis was deregulation of Wall St over the last eight years. What deregulation? It's a massive charge with no specifics whatsoever. I'm curious: Do they actually have something in mind or is this a complete snow job?

re: Post by: Wayne B | Oct 3, 2008 7:32:18 AM

The constitution is vague on a number of points. That is one of them.

As far as implications go, she didn't imply that at all.

Obama's tax policies are not class warfare per Biden.

The rich did well the last few years.

Others not as much.

It's only "fair" we take from one group to give it to another he stated.

What is the definition of class warfare again?

You betcha!!

Biden was smug with a large number of the "facts" he stated were just plain wrong.
14 major points as a matter of fact.

Meanwhile Palin didn't have any errors of fact.

How can Dems ignore this?

They want to.

Lets really destroy our economy under obama. Then we can take back our country in four years.

Dem for Mccain

Did any body else notice that when ask what she would do as VP that her answer was that she would continue Cheney's exta constitutional powers as part of the legislative branch. that according to her the constitution allows "flexibility" in the duties of the VP. She at least implied that she had the authority to set the agenda of the Senate as it's presiding officer.

TexasLouie,

Thank you! You made me spew my Pepsi at the screen. Baby, you can drive my car.

Real change is coming, and McCain/Palin are delivering that change. Glad you noticed and spoke up.

I'm stubborn-- I still won't admit The One can walk on water. Guess that makes me a heretic.

IMO Palin did even worse in the debate than in the Couric interviews.

She talked a whole lot more, but thought a whole lot less. In fact, she didn't think or reflect at that. Aftdr Ifill pushed the You Can Talk Now button Palin spewed out the talking points she memorized this week. She didn't care about answering the questions, showing disrespect for the debate, the moderator, her opponent and the audience: millions of American voters. And that's all she did. She turned her contribution to the "debate" into a Hi, I'm Sarah, You Betcha! show.

Disgusting.

if mccains 1st major decision of this election is indicitive of his decision making skills then that says a lot...palin could not had been a worse choice!!!i was not totally decided which way i would go but the palin choice changed that rapidly!!!she does not have a clue..send her back to the state of 700,000....she is not ready for the big league......

You guys can yammer on about Biden all you want, but Sarah Palin ate his lunch. She was solid and substantive and more than held her own. Biden did his usual "hey, I'm a regular guy" routine but standing next to an authentic "regular gal," it did not work. He threw out a lot more details, but does that count when so many of those details were just plain wrong? He did not connect with people as she did.

Some of you are ranting that Palin did not answer the questions asked. Well, duh, the participants in a debate rarely do. Biden did not, either. The difference is that Palin said right up front that she was not necessarily going to "answer the questions the way you or the moderator want me to." He did the same thing but did not say so out loud. I'm not concerned when she wants to turn so many questions into talks about energy policy and he wants to turn them into questions about Bush's policies.

Sarah Palin did a great job last night. Is it that hard to admit?

Wow - hard to believe we watched the same debate...

OK... OK... You've finally convinced me... OBIDEN can walk on water. I'll vote for them AND, to be consistent, will now let my 8 year old start driving me everywhere. SHE believes in change and really, really wants to drive, so, why not...

Palin is a camp phenomenon.*

Biden should be our next VP, Palin should have her own reality show "BETCHA!" with the whole family in it, or simply do commercials after Troopergate will have made her lose her job as Governor.

For Palin voters: check Susan Sontag's Notes On Camp.

Joe Biden has a reputation not only for gaffes but also for dissembling. Of course he sounded smooth last night, since he never let facts get in his way while making a point. Throwing out a lot of facts is not so impressive when so many of those facts are simply wrong.

I'm not just talking about matters open to interpretation-- all politicians do that spin, and Sarah Palin was no exception. However, he said a lot of factually unsupportable things, ranging from "Obama never said he would meet with Ahmadenajad" to "McCain voted with Barack on those bills" to his ridiculous claim that we have spent less on the war in Afghanistan than on three weeks of the war in Iraq. And while it is nitpicking, it seems to me that a Senator who trumpets the fact that he teaches a constitutional law class now and again should surely know that it is not Article I of the Constitution that deals with the executive branch and the office of vice president-- it's Article II.

Palin managed to regurgitate the nine or ten talking points that have been implanted in her brain...even when they were completely irrelevant to the question at hand.

All that winking and nose wrinkling had me awaiting the swimsuit competition. Does she think that the 100,000 Americans who lost their jobs last month are going to be reassured by "cute?" All she managed to do was stave off further calls for her head from the right wing commentariat.

Of more interest is an Alaska judge's decision not to stop the legislature's investigation into her handling of Troopergate. The report's due out on October 10th. McCain lurches from one mess to another.

Joe Biden was substantive, thoughtful and in command. Sarah Palinignored virtually every question and stuck to generalities andplatitudes. Yes Palin didn't stumble as she did during the Katie Couricinterviews. But she didn't impress, either. It was all boilerplate--like she was giving a scripted pep talk, not proving she could handlethe toughest job in the world. Biden kept his cool, even though he clearly had a much greatermastery of virtually every subject discussed. He kept the heat onJohn McCain--where it should be--and forcefully defended Obama whenPalin made ludicrous claims about transferring the surge toAfghanistan or "waving the white flag of surrender" in Iraq. I'm a little surprised to see the talking heads on TV talking aboutwhat a great job Palin did. Maybe they just want this race to becloser than it currently looks. But most swing voters, in an instantsnapshot, thought otherwise. According to a CBS poll, 46 percent of uncommitted voters who watchedthe debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21 percentthought Sarah Palin won, 33 percent thought it was a draw. According to a CNN poll, 51 percent of voters though Biden won,compared to 36 percent for Palin. (Only voters polled by Fox, surprise surprise, gave it to Palin.) Before the debate, 54 percent of CNN voters said Palin wasunqualified to be vice president. After the debate, that number (53percent) only changed by a point. Maybe, for once, substance prevailed over style.

Palin dodged most of the questions and would just go off on her canned phrases. Why was Gwen Ifill afraid to call her on it? Why was she allowed to completely ignore what was asked and start talking about everything that was unrelated to the actual question? As a woman, I'm furious that when we finally get a shot, this is what McCain presents to the world. There are plenty of republican women who are qualified for this but no, he rolls out cute and folksy and embarassing.
The media needs to be honest about the fact that this woman just went out into left field all night and didn't answer the questions. If that had been Joe Biden, the media would tear him up.

Palin lost tonight because there were no sticking points. Do you remember anything she said about Main Street? Did she say anything new? Did she answer any of the questions? Did she defend McCain's issues? She was bobbing and weaving so much I didn't know if it was a debate or sparring match. When Palin can discuss topics in depth she will begin to get America to trust her. This surface bull is just that bull!

I can understand a republican trying to spin Palin's performance but I am getting tired of the media being scared of republicans’ criticism and acting like Palin did almost as good as Biden.

Look at the facts people.

Palin did not answer any questions put forth by the Moderator. Why was Palin allowed to ignore the questions and format of the debate? Why is she so special? She failed and the Moderator was too scared to say a word. Just because she did better than expected is a meaningless goal. She should have had the same expectation as Biden. She did not know any facts, all she did was advertise McCain's talking points. THAT WAS NOT A DEBATE.

People, Palin did NOT KNOW the duties of the VP as defined by the constitution. She believes that as VP she can do what she wants in Washington and ignore the constitution. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? She wants to be VP of the United States and impose her will upon Congress. They call that a dictator when there are no separation of power.

Media should tell it like it is. Palin should get a F in this debate. When people take the same test, they are not scored relative to their own level of knowledge, unless they are in kindergarten. We are dealing with the 2nd most important, and could be the most important, position in the world.

Republicans, wake up, this is not a game. Why are you so interested in someone whose only purpose is to ridicule democrats? We know why you are this way. You believe that democrats will destroy this country, and you must win at all costs. You are scared that big bad Obama is going to take away your gun (actually it’s our guns since I own 4 guns myself) and tax everyone to death. Because of that irrational fear instigated by the right wing of the republican party, you are willing to have a VP who is out of here league.

I nearly came down with radiation sickness.

“…alternative fuels will be tapped into: the NUCULAR, the clean coal.”

“An armed, NUCULAR armed especially Iran is so extremely dangerous… They cannot be allowed to acquire NUCULAR weapons period.”

“[Ahmadinejad] is not one whom we can allow to acquire NUCULAR energy, NUCULAR weapons.”

“…Ahmadinejad who would seek to acquire NUCULAR weapons…”

“NUCULAR weaponry, of course, would be the be all, end all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire NUCULAR weapons, period.

“Our NUCULAR weaponry here in the U.S. is used as a deterrent. And that's a safe, stable way to use NUCULAR weaponry.”

“…make sure that leaders like Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad are not allowed to acquire, to proliferate, or to use those NUCULAR weapons.”

Sarah Palin refuses to defend John McCain's record on deregulation.

It's almost like she thinks she's running for 2012.

Joe Biden's 14 Lies

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Debate happened as I expected, Biden winning on policy and knowledge, Palin on 'style' { if you like her 'rap'}.

Blue, is the color that is spreading on the electoral map... Republicans may complain and spew might blasts of invective, but, it will not change the reality of the upcoming election.
No doubt Republicans will get uglier as the election nears, it will not help McCain.

Obama's statement: 'They are proud of their own ignorance" still holds true.

Crazy Joe, 10 major lies in 90 minutes. Not bad for him.

Biden clearly won this debate...Palin's coaching had some major holes in it.

Biden showed great understanding of the situation and good knowledge on foreign policy compared to McCain who shot down Obama saying I've been to Afghanistan I've been to Georgia I've been there you're naive the whole media said McCain is better on foreign policy if Biden would've performed like McCain talking down to lipstick how would've republicans reacted??? The same old victim card.

The John McCain Fight Song (Stand up and Fight)

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

The big surge is working, yippee and hooray
So what if it costs us a billion a day
Our economy is in the tank anyway
We’ll leave it for the next generation to pay

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

Got me a cute fireball for VP
Don’t know who she is, but she looks good to me
Don’t know much about her but she’s great on TV
A heartbeat away—seems a good choice to me

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

My lifestyle could be considered quite cush
But you better believe I don’t sit on my tush
I’ve been working my buns off, voting with Bush
I’m a maverick who plays safe when shove comes to push

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

Let’s drill for oil, let’s poke holes in the ground
Let’s suck it all up ‘till there’s no more to be found
And in 25 years we’ll all hear the sound
Of the waves hitting Wall Street with no hope of rebound

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

We are the masters of our own fate
Why should we listen or negotiate
With God on our side we will charge from the gate
So come on and join us before it’s too late

Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight

Constitutionally, the Vice President is in charge of all procedural matters of the Senate.

Modern VP's have had a ceremonial role as President of the Senate. But Biden is incorrect. Constitutionally, the Vice President IS the President of the Senate. 36 Years in the Senate and Biden doesn't even know who's supposed to run it.

Concerned in OH

History is full of injustice isnt it!

How good that we will have the best President this year regardless of race!

Obama has policies that will help American families!

McCain Palin have nothing new just more of the same...That hasnt worked out well so far..Has it !

American Familes First Obama Biden...

There are 100 members of the senate each having one vote. The VP has no vote in the senate unless there is a deadlock, which means that person is a meaningless bystander unless a tie-breaker is necessary. How many times in recent history on major policy issues can you cite where the VP cast the deciding vote for a bill before the senate? It doesn't happen, the VP is a figurehead with no real senatorial power.

From 1971 to 1974 Biden lived in a home who's deed barred ownership by blacks.

How amazing is that? There was a point in time that Biden lived in a home that Barack couldn't even own.

Source: NY Times, 8/8/1986 "Senator Biden Linked to Restrictive Deed"

but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided

Hillary Clinton issued a statement shortly after the debate praising Joe Biden's performance:

“Tonight's debate underscored the stark choice American families face in this election," she said. “I've known Senator Biden a long time – as Americans saw tonight, he is a strong, passionate and experienced leader. Like Barack Obama, Joe Biden understands both the economic stresses here at home and the strategic challenges in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world.

“We saw yet again that Senator McCain and Sarah Palin will offer only more of the same failed policies of the Bush Administration. America's hardworking Middle Class families deserve better.”

Article I Clause 4
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided."

Hmmm... doesn't sound like they are strictly limiting it to tie-breaker vote.

when it comes down to who do i think actually cares about me... Biden won my vote tonight.

Don, Sure Mccain voted this way because since just last month he was on freddie and Fannie's payroll to the tune of 15,000 a month..

Ok.. VP presides over the senate. Where in the constitution does it say that the VP is precided over by Halliburton?

USVet,

CNN
Biden 51 Palin 36

CBS
Biden 47 Palin 24

America has decided =)

The Obama team 2-0

Read the Constitution for yourself. It defines the VP role as the "President of the Senate".

There were 3 times Biden lied brazenly. Obama did not seek to protect the public from risk from Fannie and Freddie. He voted against Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190

You are believing propaganda if you believe otherwise. Look it up on the Senate website. Biden lied and the media may attempt to cover it up. McCain co-sponsored this legislation to fix this mess in 2005 and 2006. Biden and Obama voted against it. THIS IS A FACT, NOT CONJECTURE.

The VP runs the senate? Sure, why not? In the current administration, the VP runs whatever he chooses to run, and Halliburton runs the VP, and ..on and on and on...

its up to America, unintelletual, non knowledgeable Sarah Palin plus 72 years old Mccain, or a knowledgeable Biden in domestic and foreign policy with an intelletual, articulate, smart and inspiring young man in Barack Obama. America, the ball is in your court, your will make or mar the future of this great country twenty first century.

She wasn't intimidated and he cried.

What an entertaining episode of "Gidget goes to Washington!" :-). Oh well.. before Gidget can really go to Washington, she needs to pronounce "NUCLEAR" (not NUEKILLER), "IRAN" (not AYYRAN), "IRAQ" (not AYYRACK)etc.

Moving on.. McDaddy McCain has a new initiative to rescue brainless barbees by offering them cabinet posts. If his VP choice is any indication, I guess the next US secretary of state might be an ex playboy bunny or Ms. Montana wannabe.

"The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3)"

The hacks are claiming Joe's VP rebuttal was his knock-out punch, but clearly he was, AGAIN, just making stuff up.

The VP has only a few duties defined in the Constitution, all involving the legislative branch. One of them is to be the President of the Senate. In practice today it's mainly ceremonial, but in the Constitution the VP runs the Senate.

The rest of his duties aren't defined AT ALL in the Constition, contrary to Constitutional Expert Joe Biden, they are dictated by the President.

The Statement:
At an Oct. 2 debate in St. Louis, Missouri, Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin was talking about support for U.S. troops overseas. "I know that the other ticket opposed this surge — in fact, even opposed funding our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Barack Obama voted against funding
troops after promising that he would not do so," she said.

Verdict:
Misleading. Obama supported a different version of the troop-funding plan — one that McCain spoke against.

It's no use, USVET. The liberals and media are already spinning this to be a Biden landslide. Talk about party backed political censorship. Geez.

Even Peggy Noonan says Palin won.

Did you hear that?

Peggy Noonan: Palin Won!

And she is a big Obama supporter.

Sarah Palin connected with the American people. She's tough. Personable. Genuine. She's mainstream American and the only outsider in the race.

Biden showed that he clearly has an inside the beltway view and just blabbered, as usual.

COUNTRY FIRST!!

McCain-Palin '08
Hillary 2012

I agree. Palin avoid the answering almost all the question. The question is healthcare she answers energy.

My sister and I couldn't stop laughing. Biden clearly won.

Biden: Hezbollah was kicked out of Lebanon. What?!? Joe, why do you say such things that are patently false? I guess you can't help yourself, you need help...

Here you go Jake, you can start with these. Ten factual inaccuracies stated by Biden in the VP debate tonight:

1) McCain voted the same as Obama on the budget resolution that calls for tax increases on people making as little as $42,000. FALSE

2) Under Obama, the top tax rate will not be higher than it was under Reagan (28%). FALSE (they want to return it to the Clinton 39.5%)

3) It will take at least ten years to get oil from new production. FALSE

4) The Use of Force resolution (Iraq) was not a war resolution. FALSE

5) McCain voted the same way as Obama on funding the troops. FALSE

6) We spend as much in three weeks in Iraq as we have spent in seven years in Afghanistan. FALSE

7) Article I of the Constitution refers to the Executive Branch. FALSE

There is a windfall profits tax in Alaska. FALSE

9) Obama voted for a nuclear weapons resolution. FALSE

10) McCain opposed Clinton on Bosnia. FALSE

There are many more lies by Biden tonight, Jake.

I hope you and ABC News will report on Biden's lies.

Thanks, Jake.

a real question here.
I thought PUMA' were Sen. Clinton supporters, and believed in what she stood for?

How much money did they donate to help retire her debt?
anyone know?

Palin: "How Long Have I Been At This? Like Five Weeks?"...

IT SHOWS!!!

Biden: McCain-Palin Health Plan "The Ultimate Bridge To Nowhere"...

TRUE

Palin Gets Afghan Commander's Name, Strategy Wrong...

FIVE WEEKS SHOWING!

ALL REAL POLLS SO FAR SHOW BIDEN WON!

She had to spend most the her time correcting Biden's misrepresentations and lies and skillfully transitioned to answering the important aspects of the debate.

After tonight I believe America has to take a hard look at qualification and experience...on both these points it has become clear that Obama-Biden favor the better choice...Palin tonight, in the beginning, spoke clearly to the American people, however as I, personally judge the duty of a "politician" and his duty to serve the best interest of our great nation and its people the clear choice would be Biden. I could could share more, but this is a sound-bite forum...nuff said.

Palin- avoided answering 90% of questions. Nice moderator...NOT!

How could a Senator of 35 years lie to the American people about another Senator's voting record? I'll tell you how. By engaging in sorry politics.

Palin was warm, fresh, funny, confident, energetic, personable,
relentless, and on message. She roasted Obama's flip-flops on the
surge and tea-with-dictators declarations, dinged Biden's bash-Bush
rhetoric

He chose the purple tie because he heard them saying that 0bama's choice of purple at the last debate was smart. He didn't pull it off as well as 0bama did.

Nice snark, Jake. Make sure tomorrow you cover Biden's claim that Hezbollah has been ejected from Lebanon.

That's a pretty egregious error for a so-called Foreign Policy Expert.

Jake, what's up with that tie? Seriously.

Jake,

Biden lied at least 10 times in the debate. Gross lies. Intentional lies.

I'll check back to see if you report them.

As I'm sure will most people looking to see if the MSM is going to do their job.

PUMA for McCain-Palin '08