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In Working-Class Ohio, Obama Meets Amorous Dogs, Skeptical Plumber
October 12, 2008 5:58 PM
OREGON, OHIO -- On Shrewsbury Street in the working-class Lincoln Green section of Holland, Ohio, Sunday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., knocked on some doors to chat with voters in this battleground state where polls have him and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., neck and neck.
Sue Sekel, a 43-year old health care worker wearing sweatpants and a t-shirt with the words "Las Vegas" written in a Tommy Hilfiger-like pattern, told Obama she'd voted early.
She also said Sunday was “the one day I come home to clean ceiling fans and look like crap, and then this happens.”
Clutching cameras, three teenage girls raced to him from across the street, with no shoes on.
“Where are your shoes?” Obama asked them.
He took photos with them, and others, shaking hands, talking about the economy.
The mother of one of the girls, Shelly Kretz, stood on the periphery of the group while snapshots were being taken.
“Mom, you look good. C’mon,” Obama said to her.
Kretz, a 38-year-old employee of Proctor & Gamble, reluctantly joined the group for a photo. Later, she told reporters that she'd been on the fence, but she liked Obama's answers to her neighbors' questions.
“It’s really awesome that he takes the time to talk to the middle class and answer questions,” she said. Kretz said her brothers were also there, and had also been converted by Obama’s appearance this afternoon.
Obama approached another house but was warned by one neighbor about two amorous dogs.
“Oh, is that right?" Obama asked. "So I don’t want to get too close, huh? They might start, they might start."
The dogs began canoodling with one another.
"Yeah, they seem like they enjoy themselves," Obama said. He then told the dogs, "Alright, don’t do anything in front of the cameras that would be inappropriate."
He reached down to pet them, scratching a small black dog behind its ears.
“Do you believe in the American dream?” a local plumber asked.
Obama said he did.
"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” the man said, in comments interpreted by reporters as a reference to the Democrat's proposal to increase income taxes on those making $200,000 or more a year.
Obama recited his now-familiar talking points about 95 percent of the American people would get a tax cut under his plan.
The plumber did not seem convinced.
As Obama left the man, he said, "I've got to go prepare for this debate, but that was pretty good practice."
- jpt
October 12, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (329)
People believe that Obama will be compassionate and help them. Obama's aunt lives in a Boston slum. Also, his brother is in a hut in Kenya. Obama cannot even help his own family. I believe Obama to be very cold and calculating individual. Obama is only about the power and his agendas.
Obama does not represent the Democratic Party. He is very left wing outer fringe kook. It is very dangerous to have someone like Obama in power in the dangerous world that we live in today. His running mate Joe Biden stated that Obama will be tested in the first six months and there will be international crises. Meaning that Obama will be perceived as weak by the dictators and terrorist thugs around the world. America does not need Obama and the disaster that he will bring in foreign policy and our economy.
Many lower income people are excited about getting a tax cut. There are 40% of Americans who pay no taxes and would get a welfare check. All of this at the expense of taxing the wealthy and business. This will kill job creation and innovation in our country. Higher taxes will cause business to cut cost and thus employees. Also, the cost of goods and services will increase to help with the tax increases. This type of economic plan will cause massive unemployment and put our economy in a deeper recession.
I have never gotten a job from a poor person. Job creation only comes from the wealthy who own business.
We cannot afford to risk the poor judgment and inexperience of Obama.
Go McCain/Palin
Posted by: Dean | Nov 2, 2008 8:26:17 PM
I really have no problem with paying taxes to help get the country out of debt. I have a HUGE problem with the taxes I pay being used to give tax "refunds" to people who DO NOT pay taxes. That is a slide toward socialism, plain and simple. I did not like it when the Dems insisted on giving tax "rebates" to non-taxpayers as part of the economic stimulus plan, and I like it even less as part of Obama's platform. Why should my money be taken from me and given to folks who did not earn it?
Posted by: John | Oct 16, 2008 7:13:52 AM
"Spread the Wealth" Maybe we should all quit our jobs if Obama gets elected and join the gravy train. Let the Far left liberal thinkers take a hit for the team!
Posted by: C Herrada | Oct 15, 2008 3:12:20 PM
I would simply like to echo what most objective readers have written! My dad is a plumber and when I heard this comment I was aghast. I figured that it would be all over the internet and the news but fox is the only one who mentions the only newsworthy comment--"spreading the wealth around" to a plumber. I was on the fence, but now have realized that Senator Obama does not understand what this country was founded on---HARD WORK! Go McCain/Palin!
Posted by: Michael | Oct 14, 2008 5:41:20 PM
How far in the tank is this author for Obama?
Didn't mention that Obama told the plumber that he he had nothing personal against him making money but that he was "concerned" for all the people economically below the plumber and only wanted to "spread the wealth around" and that is why the plumber shouldn' t complain about being taxed. AMAZING
Posted by: litebluedandelion | Oct 14, 2008 4:43:26 PM
Jake Tapper. How far in the tank for Obama are you? Your article did not even come close to telling the American public what Obama said to the plumber about his (Obama) "wealth distribution" plan. You project his adoring house keeper interview but gloss over the fact Obama stated on NATIONAL TV that he is going to take money from those who make it and give it to those who dont work. A tax credit is actually "Welfare".
Posted by: Georgia Democrat | Oct 14, 2008 3:02:15 PM
Brett said "So for all of the posters concerned with trickle-down economics, what do you propose?"
A. You didnt address what many of us were asking. Why did the writer omit that quote? It was the key moment of the exchange between Obama & the plumber. It should be played on TV over & over so that the American people can understand what Obama's real beliefs on the idea of wealth redisribution are.
B. The alternative is too simple and is such a common sense approach it will never be implemted. A straight forward flat tax rate and the abolishment of the tax code. This however means there is no need for accountants or tax laywers or the IRS in its current form. It is the ONLY "fair" tax system. EVERYONE paying their "fair" share, no matter how much they make. Problem is politicians will create fear in the public by telling them it will actually make them pay more. The home ownership issue and the mortgage interest tax break always come up in that discussion. Politicians know the the saying from MIB is true.
"A person is smart, people are dumb"
If you can create fear in the people by telling them they will lose something they have, it will drown out the common sense of a straight forward flat tax.
We dont need Chucky Wrangel writing thousands more pages of tax codes that he wont follow, but that he expects the rest of us to be a slave to.
Posted by: Mike C | Oct 14, 2008 2:57:15 PM
Dear Liberati, how little you know of the "real" John McCain. A man who left his disabled wife and family for the beautiful Cindy aka his mistress after she waited over 5 years for him. A man who ignored the warnings that an enemy mig was coming for his plane and continued his bombing run, not for us, but to try and be a hero. Tell me, wouldn't have been more prudent to dodge the mig and come back and blow up that vietnamese plant? A man who graduated at the bottom of his military class and was allowed to fly planes, because of who is father was. By the way, when you graduate that low, you don't get to fly planes. Lastly, a man who almost drowned in one of those planes because he didn't pay attention in class and couldn't release his own belts and hatches. Stop allowing McCain to run on his war record. Look at the real John McCain, a man who has done everything to serve himself and definitely not this country. A man who bullies those that would disagree with him, and disgrace his own running mate by picking her because she's a woman, when he knew she was not qualified to be VP. Country First, I think not. More like McCain First, Country Second, and Women and Children Last. He is not POTUS material. George Bush is probably the worst President we have ever had, but a least, he stood by his convictions. John McCain, has no convictions because he left them all at the door when he caved to the right wing party and put an unqualified female on his ballot.
Posted by: Pat, SC | Oct 14, 2008 1:02:35 PM
I was very disappointed in ABC for leaving out what Obama said. I watched your show when this was on. Then I go to work and one of my co-workers was telling me what was really said. I was mad. That is a whole different story. I guess I will be watching Fox and news from now on to get the true stories.
Lost a viewer
Pryor, OK
Posted by: P Dorsey | Oct 14, 2008 12:59:29 PM
Food for thought:
If the "poor" (40 something percent) end up with no tax liability and assuming for a moment that the "rich" don't pay taxes, who DOES PAY the taxes?
The middle class.
Posted by: Whatever | Oct 14, 2008 11:42:11 AM
Does anyone here understand that Obama is NOT proposing tax cuts? So far all of his tax proposals are tax credits. Tax credits ARE NOT tax cuts.
They don't even reduce taxable income, although they MAY reduce one's tax liability IF one qualifies for the credit.
As someone who is lower middle class, I should benefit from such tax cuts, yes?
Nope. I have NO kids (no add'l tax credit). NO mortgage (no add'l tax credit). I am NOT a student (no add'l tax credit). I make too much for the EIC (which is fine. It's merely a handout). I might get the "working" credit, but why should I get a credit for doing the right thing?
I and others like me will NOT benefit from Obama's tax plan.
Posted by: No tax cuts | Oct 14, 2008 11:40:11 AM
Cedric,
That Obama tax credit (not tax CUT) for hiring more employees is $3000 per employee ABOVE the number already employed.
Obviously, you know nothing about the cost of business: It costs much more than $3000 to employ someone in the US.
Given that $3000 is not enough to even pay minimum wage most businesses will forgo the credit because it will not be worth it. And if Obama gets his way and businesses are required to offer all kinds of benefits that will cost business even more and provide a great disincentive to grow or even stay in business at all.
That will not create jobs for anyone.
Obama does not understand this. Or he does and just doesn't care. He wants everyone dependent on government. I and many other American who understand what this country really stands for (not handouts) want the government to get out of the way.
Gotta say, I am so IMPRESSED that so many of my fellow citizens caught the exchange between the plumber and Obama and are outraged about it. Gives me a lot of hope for America (and not the kind Obama wants to impose)
Posted by: Fed Up With Them All | Oct 14, 2008 11:31:43 AM
I make less than $250K per Year, a lot less, but my taxs will increase under B.O.. You see most of us middle class got a cut under the Bush tax cuts. B.O. will let those expire, our taxes will be raised to pre-Bush levels. Now along comes B.O. and he gets his tax cuts passed and while it will cut my taxes I will still be paying more than I was under the Bush tax cut. Now B.O can say he didn't eraise my taxes but gave me a cut. How sly.
Posted by: MikeM | Oct 14, 2008 11:28:53 AM
I make less than $250K per Year, a lot less, but my taxs will increase under B.O.. You see most of us middle class got a cut under the Bush tax cuts. B.O. will let those expire, our taxes will be raised to pre-Bush levels. Now along comes B.O. and he gets his tax cuts passed and while it will cut my taxes I will still be paying more than I was under the Bush tax cut. Now B.O can say he didn't eraise my taxes but gave me a cut. How sly.
Posted by: MikeM | Oct 14, 2008 11:28:50 AM
Why does the post not include the quote from Obama's exchange with the plumber? Or the video that caught Obama saying he (and I quote) wants to
"spread the wealth around"?
If McCain said something equally damning, Big Media would be all over it.
Posted by: Not complete | Oct 14, 2008 11:23:23 AM
I think some of us are actually capable of knowing what true socialism is, but thanks for the lesson. The point is that we may be inching towards socialist economic policy. There are people on the left who believe that's exactly what we need to do- but thank goodness for independents to keep it all in perspective
Posted by: angie Y | Oct 14, 2008 10:58:56 AM
Those 5% pay most of the taxes in this country. If they are so insignificant and the only ones affected let's just see what happens if they stop paying taxes all together. The country would fall apart so you better be glad those "rich" people exist. And if you think that the other 95% won't have some form of their taxes raised your in lala land. if their is a dem in the White House and a dem congress- they will get very creative on how to spend all our money- not just those 5%!
Posted by: angie Y | Oct 14, 2008 10:49:18 AM
No one is implying that you're not a hardworking citizen if you make more than $250,000. But a tax policy that only affects 5 percent of the population is just as nonsensical as your notion of socialistic tax policy.
Posted by: Brett | Oct 14, 2008 10:35:15 AM
So for all of the posters concerned with trickle-down economics, what do you propose? Keep the Bush tax cuts and roll in a middle class tax cut for families earning under $200,000? The problem is, trickle down no more addresses the economic issues than providing a middle class tax cut; the key is a middle ground, which you'll find in a permanent R&D credit, credits for alternative energy development, closing corp. tax loopholes and lowering the taxes on businesses? The current estate tax I believe is 55 percent, so do we roll that back to 45 percent as Obama has suggested?
The problem with these posts is no one is offering an alternative. Economic issues are far more complicated than partisanship bickering.
Posted by: Brett | Oct 14, 2008 10:33:30 AM
Why did you omit the single most critical sentence to Obama's chat with the Ohio plumber?
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody"
Tremeous insight into his true economic beliefs in an unscripted moment!!
You choked on it!
At least you did have part of the encounter on your site, NBC, CBS & CNN have absoultely NO mention of it on their sites at all.
Posted by: MIke C | Oct 14, 2008 10:30:57 AM
"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." So here's the plan: we give a bunch of someone else's money to a bunch of people who don't pay taxes. Then they go around and find a plumbing contractor who is motivated enough to train them and then to find work for them and continue to keep them employed, when the money-gifts run out. Is this trickle up economics? Only if you're standing on your head.
Posted by: NeauWon | Oct 14, 2008 10:24:24 AM
I like how if you make under $250,000 a year, you're a hardworking American citizen. If you make over $250,000 a year you're greedy, don't work hard, and don't deserve what you make... and your wealth should be "spread around" (the quote was conveniently left out of this article...)
Posted by: Bob | Oct 14, 2008 10:21:33 AM
Nearly half of those 95% don't even pay taxes so are they just going to get a check?
Talk about Republicans not wanting to believe what they hear- what a joke- take some of your own advice and look up Obama's tax voting record- it's not hard to find and if you stop believing what you want and start believing what's factual, you'll see that his record does not support what he is saying. I can't believe how many people want to be blindly led in this country.
Posted by: angie Y | Oct 14, 2008 10:19:59 AM
"hilarious. so many people who are worried about obama "spreading the wealth." yet, when tax dollars are proposed to be used by Republicans to transfer wealth from the middle-class to the rich, no problem. when tax dollars are used to bail out banks, no problem. when tax breaks are given to companies for shipping jobs overseas, no problem. keep screaming "socialism," guys. if that's your message, Obama's going to get 400 electoral votes."
So true, so true. Economics and Americans just don't mix.
Posted by: Brett | Oct 14, 2008 10:19:52 AM
1. How do you lower taxes on people who don't pay taxes? 2. If Obama is so concerned with working people, why is he in favor of eliminating the secret ballot in the workplace decision of whether or not to be represented by a union? 3. Anyone under the illusion that Biden is a. intelligent and b. non-partisan is a. unable to distinguish between smooth and correct and b. unaware of how he has publically sandbagged numerous candidates including Justice Thomas.
Posted by: NeauWon | Oct 14, 2008 10:17:30 AM
Most of you people wouldn't understand the true notion of Marxist socialism if it slapped you in the face. You've heard conservative leaders banter it around and adopt the term as if it's a concrete explanation of Democratic policies.
Thank God I'm an Independent, because anyone that understands true socialism will quickly realize that a complete breakdown of social classes as true socialism would require, won't can can't co-exist in a capitalistic/free market society. Most of you won't pay additional taxes, considering 95 percent of us don't make more than $250,000 per year.
Posted by: Brett | Oct 14, 2008 10:17:19 AM
It's odd how all of these comments from hard-working Americans fail to mention that a tax increase is directly related to letting the Bush tax cuts lapse, which only applies to people making 250,000 or more per year. So this notion that a redistribution of wealth will affect people working two jobs to make ends meet is absolutely false. Educate yourselves on the tax plans; don't listen to the media sound bytes.
Posted by: Brett | Oct 14, 2008 10:13:22 AM
Come on GMA! You guys completely left out Obama's comments on "spreading the wealth around" when he was talking to that plumber in Toledo. When I saw the story playing I thought, "finally some coverage from the networks on how Obama really thinks!" You glossed right over it! You actually played it to make it sound positive for Obama!! I couldn't believemy ears!!
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2008 10:13:17 AM
You forgot something. Here is the most news worthy portion of the exchange that you won't get from the media elite.
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Posted by: John S | Oct 14, 2008 10:03:00 AM
To get my husband through college he worked 20 to 30 hours a week, I worked a lot of overtime and, at one point, two jobs, and we did without many things that folks take for granted. Now he works 50+ hours a week and frequently brings work home. To "spread the wealth" Obama proposes to take some of what we pay in taxes and out right give it in the form of a refundable tax credit to people who may not work as hard or make the sacrifices we have made. That is redistribution of wealth, otherwise known as socialism.
Posted by: Elisabeth | Oct 14, 2008 9:58:15 AM
Why doesn't ABC want people to know the truth about Obama's Marxist beliefs - the line right after this where says he wants to "spread the wealth around"?
Quoting the "skeptical plumber" is ABC's phony version of "balanced" journalism. Omitting Obama's too-honest answer is ABC's way of hiding his socialist agenda.
Posted by: Spyn | Oct 14, 2008 9:30:20 AM
I don't believe how the Repubs hear what they want to hear. Obama said his plan will give tax breaks to 95% of ~~~taxpayers~~~!!! That means that 95% of those people that pay taxes get the credit.
Posted by: Jenna | Oct 14, 2008 9:18:54 AM
Reading the various comments and an avid Obama/Biden supporter. The plumber might not realize it yet. But he will benefit in the long run and his business should prosper even more and provide much needed service. Here is how. His business grows because the middle class can afford to pay for his services. He hires a few more employees (Obama tax credit). Can you see the economic connection. It troubles me that people cannot or refuse to connect the dots. It is about inclusion not exclusion. Reading some of the other comments. On this blog. Obama and Ayers, He was invited to his home by other community leaders. He was invited to join by prominent right wing folk to lead their efforts. However, Ayers continues to be singled out. Interesting they thought enough to put them both on the board. Wright, I go to church to fellowship with others, praise God, and learn his word. It is also a vital conduit into the community to serve others. That does not mean I support everything my pastor voices in the pulpit. Because I am my own man and need to answer to God for my own sins and transgressions. Interesting why do we continue to condemn his thinking. Obama's contact and work with Acorn was 12-13 years ago. Yes, his campaign did donate money for voter outreach programs during the primary. However, what I come to learn is that on all levels of society people prey on each other. In this case people ignorant of the law, or hustling for a fix taking advantage of their brother or sister. You cannot blame Obama for their poor judgement. Esecially when the contribution was made in good faith.
Posted by: Cedric | Oct 14, 2008 9:06:26 AM
oh wow, my comment was removed with the video of the 'spread the ealth' comment. Why doesnt that surprise me?
Posted by: Cheryl Palmer | Oct 14, 2008 8:54:01 AM
I have a name for everyone to think about. "Hugo Chavez!" Venezuela was a democratic country until someone named Chavez ran for president and promised "change". I don't want to live in a welfare society. I work hard for my money and don't fell like dividing it up with those that sit on their lazy butts all day and listen liberal media while I work all day.
Posted by: JRich | Oct 14, 2008 8:04:14 AM
Obama is NOT for change.
He's for the big bucks.
Posted by: DonJ | Oct 14, 2008 7:12:24 AM
To Dave and all the other self righteous do-gooders out there...those who earn over $200K a year most likely seldom watch TV, pretty much confine going out to the weekends and even clock quite a few weekend hours. And at the same time pay more in taxes than some earn. Oh there's a concept: EARN!
So if those in that bracket have more toys, more savings for their families, and an extra vacation or two...it is because they EARNED it! If those being given the tax rebates worked as hard as those EARNING their money, I would have no problem handing it over. But all I see are people waiting for a handout with no intention of WORKING for it.
Posted by: Jenny | Oct 14, 2008 12:51:16 AM
"When he says that 95% of Americans will get tax cuts..33% of Americans don't even pay taxes. Is this the kind of leader that you want?"
Dude.. He's been taking math lessons from Al Gore!!!!!
Posted by: Dave | Oct 13, 2008 10:46:41 PM
Income redistribution!! Get prepared for the Constitution to be pushed aside and have the USA become the USSA - United Socialist States of America. Oh, yes. When he says that 95% of Americans will get tax cuts..33% of Americans don't even pay taxes. Is this the kind of leader that you want?
Posted by: Franklyn B. Theis III | Oct 13, 2008 10:43:37 PM
"People needs to stop whining about paying more taxes. I'm single, no house, no kids, no deductions and make six figures. I probably pay a higher tax rate than most people. Paying taxes is your duty--it buys civilization. You guys just want to cut taxes, put it on the tab, and have your children and grandchildren pay for it. There's the American Dream for ya."
No responsibilities and nobody to look out for except yourself. You just keep you head firmly planted in your rear and your mouth shut.
Thanks
Posted by: Dave | Oct 13, 2008 10:41:47 PM
Forgot something??? Where's the SPREAD THE WEALTH statement???? Bias???
Posted by: bev brown | Oct 13, 2008 7:58:15 PM
Huey Long, Bob LaFollett, Karl Marx Fredrick Engels all thought "spread the wealth around," was a great idea. Joe Stalin murdered over 30,00,000 people to show how well "spread the wealth around," works. Then came World War II.
I believe in Freedom, socialism breeds totalitarianism.
Vote McCain - Palin
Posted by: Centrist | Oct 13, 2008 7:41:07 PM
RGeier stated "Mr Obama is Christian". Yes, Obama has said that & that he attended the Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 yrs. TUCC worships under The "Black Value System" (look it up). #8 of the "Black value System states: Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”.
1) Other than Obama's Need For the "Middleclass" Vote, what "life changing event" has caused the senator to embrace & chose to use the word "middle class" in every other sentence, after 20 yrs of Disavowalment? "It's the vote stupid, The Vote"!
2) I hope those believing the middle class will Not eventually be taxed, wake up pretty soon.
Posted by: josh | Oct 13, 2008 7:19:07 PM
You seem to have left out one tiny detail in this story. Obama wants to "spread the wealth around".
Posted by: wayne | Oct 13, 2008 6:55:06 PM
hilarious. so many people who are worried about obama "spreading the wealth." yet, when tax dollars are proposed to be used by Republicans to transfer wealth from the middle-class to the rich, no problem. when tax dollars are used to bail out banks, no problem. when tax breaks are given to companies for shipping jobs overseas, no problem. keep screaming "socialism," guys. if that's your message, Obama's going to get 400 electoral votes.
Posted by: tellthetruthellen | Oct 13, 2008 6:37:41 PM
People needs to stop whining about paying more taxes. I'm single, no house, no kids, no deductions and make six figures. I probably pay a higher tax rate than most people. Paying taxes is your duty--it buys civilization. You guys just want to cut taxes, put it on the tab, and have your children and grandchildren pay for it. There's the American Dream for ya.
Posted by: P.B. | Oct 13, 2008 6:33:13 PM
Hey Jake, You left out the part where Obama told the plumber that "he wanted to spread around the wealth", you know as in WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION.
Posted by: robtr | Oct 13, 2008 6:26:50 PM
Obama's no "Robin Hood", he's just a plain hood. A Chicago mobster, that's all.
Income redistribution, mandatory socialist education, state mandated "corps", thought police... Sheesh - this guy would make Stalin proud.
Look out America... you're becoming Amerikgba.
Posted by: Mike Jefferson | Oct 13, 2008 6:04:44 PM
Huey Long started a Share the Wealth program, and things did not work out well for him at all.
Posted by: Ana Sarca | Oct 13, 2008 5:58:16 PM
Wow...Obama actually told the plumber that his plan was to "spread the wealth around"...funny how that comment was left out of this article.
Posted by: Fran395 | Oct 13, 2008 5:41:11 PM
Some will be taxed more than others in order to "live the American dream" and to "be fair". Sounds like straight-up marxism to me.
Posted by: martifr | Oct 13, 2008 5:27:12 PM
will not let me post the link
google the previos post
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 5:02:05 PM
OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 4:59:07 PM
Way to go Jake Tapper. Leave out the important quotes like "spread the wealth around." It's time to stop the liberal agenda and tell the story like it is.
Posted by: Tom | Oct 13, 2008 4:42:46 PM
Tapper left out Obama's absolute socialist line about "spreading the wealth" when being questioned about taxes by a plumber in Ohio. This is scary!!! as is reading some of these posts
How many shady people does this guy have to be connected to for you people to THINK?!
Posted by: angie Y | Oct 13, 2008 4:18:26 PM
(5) One favor political Chicago claims Obama did for the Giannoulias family was in 2006 when, out of the blue, 29 year old Alexi Giannoulias, with no experience, and without ever having voted before, decides to run for State Treasurer of Illinois. Also out of the blue, Barack Obama endorses Alexi Giannoulias for State Treasurer. This was a SHOCK to everyone in Chicago — and Giannoulias would have never become State Treasurer without Obama’s help. In political circles here, it has always been believed that this endorsement was bought years ago with that sweetheart mortgage deal Broadway Bank arranged for Obama to buy his town house.
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 4:04:51 PM
Angie Y
what r u saying
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 3:36:53 PM
Obama said today in a speech he will remove the capitol gains tax on small business growth earnings.
Their is no such thing.
Again he does not know what he is talking about, and is mnaking empty promises to the masses who want the handouts.
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 3:35:20 PM
Why did you leave the comment out about "spreading the wealth around"? Unbelievable!!!
Posted by: Angie Y | Oct 13, 2008 3:31:38 PM
Obama wants to raise taxes on anyone or business who makes over 250.000.
Spread the wealth 8(
Is that Net, Gross, Net worth. He will not say, as he does not even know what he is talking about.
ObamA says it will not affect to many in Small Business. That is BS
Look at the definition of a small business on the SBA web site.
It ranges from a few thousand to several millions in dollars based on the type of business.
HIs plan is going to raise cost for the many hard working small business owners in this country.
They will then have to raise cost of their service or product.
Who pays for that
WE DO
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 3:30:55 PM
Here we go again. I love it when people post that anyone who votes for a Republican doesn't have 2 brain cells to rub together. LOL! That's why you keep losing.
I suppose you "don't know anyone who voted for Bush," either. So predictable. Keep it up, and you'll have 8 more years of whining.
Posted by: Ana Saraca | Oct 13, 2008 3:30:20 PM
"Spread the wealth." Hrm.. doesn't that sound like at least one other country? Take from those that have and give to those that don't have. Send the message that the government needs to help people, that there is no personal accounting for anything, that you poor things aren't able to take care of yourselves, and we know what is best so sit back and let us take care of you the way we know we should. If I were one of "those people," I'd be totally P.O.'d at the arrogant assumption that I'd need help, first of all. I can hardly believe what I am reading these days that passes as compassion. God help us all.
Posted by: Ana Saraca | Oct 13, 2008 3:27:14 PM
FBI, Others Probe ACORN for Vote Fraud
Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:14 PM
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Republicans are in an uproar over claims of vote fraud by the group ACORN.
Sen. John McCain said Thursday that the allegations are serious and "must be investigated, and no one should corrupt the most precious right we have -- and that is the right to vote."
The community group has been registering new voters in key swing states as voter fraud charges have surfaced.
Here are the latest developments:
Eight U.S. senators are demanding that the Federal Housing Finance Agency cut off monies for the group.
On Thursday, House Republican Leader John Boehner also demanded all federal funding to ACORN be stopped.
In Allegheny County, Pa. (which includes Pittsburgh), District Attorney Stephen Zappala confirmed he is investigating potential voter fraud involving ACORN.
"ACORN is part of this, but there are other applications which have been filed which appear to have fraudulent signatures and fraudulent identifications of individuals," Zappala said.
The FBI is probing vote fraud in New Mexico. The Bernalillo County Clerk's Office said Thursday it had turned over to the FBI 1,400 voter registration cards that are said to be suspicious.
In Missouri's Jackson County (which includes Kansas City), officials claim ACORN is participating in vote fraud. Charlene Davis, co-director of the county's election board, said a flurry of fraudulent registration forms were filed by ACORN.
Earlier this week, agents of the Nevada secretary of state and attorney general raided ACORN's Las Vegas office with a search warrant. Nevada authorities allege that ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work-release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.
Sen. Barack Obama has denied any ties with the radical community group, but evidence suggests he is not telling the truth.
Obama had worked a lawyer with the group in Illinois. Later he paid an ACORN-affiliated group in Ohio more than $800,000 during the heated Democratic primary season against Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 3:23:37 PM
To Ryan:
In any case, I dont hear any responses to the other 5 facts. Could be you dont have any responses?
That's right, McCain did vote against any resolution that had a timeline to bring the troops home. This would only encourage the terrorists to wait for the that timeline to pass before resuming their war against freedom.
Of course, your boy Obama still will not admit the surge worked, sooo......
As for the Zebari thing, seems he cant make up his mind. First he says one thing then mysteriously, when Obama takes a "lead" in the liberal media's "polls" changes his mind. Hmm...why would he do that?
Could it be that you think it is ok to give Obama a pass on anything that is damaging? Says a lot about the left and their blinders when it comes to anything negative about their beloved Obama.
John McCain is a proven American patriot. John McCain wants smaller government and lower taxes. John McCain wants Americans to be responsible for themselves and not have the government dictating every move.
Obama WILL raise your taxes. Obama WILL socialize anything and everything he can.
Time for a gut check. A junior senator who can talk, but is completely unproven or a man who has proven experience and that has consistently reached across the isle to work in a bi-partisan fashion his entire career.
Obama is for change alright. And that is all you will have in your pockets during an Obama term, change.
Posted by: Todd | Oct 13, 2008 3:23:12 PM
"Fact: Obama voted to cut funding for the troops in Iraq."
True. Its also a fact that mcCain voted against funding the troops. The difference? Obama wanted a timeline for the troops to come home, McCain voted against a timeline.
"Fact: Obama tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July."
Zebari said yesterday that Obama did not such thing. Another right wing lie bites the dust!
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 13, 2008 3:09:42 PM
Want facts?
Fact: Obama sat in church for 20 years and listened to an American hating, racist preacher without flinching....until he decided to run for President.
Fact: Obama launched his political career in the living room of an UNREPENTANT TERRORIST, William Ayers, who as recently as the late 90's said he wished they had done more than bomb the Pentagon and other US targets. Obama still will not reveal the true depth of the relationship though it is documented.
Fact: Obama voted to cut funding for the troops in Iraq.
Fact: Obama had shady dealings with Rezko.
Fact: Obama tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
Fact: Joe Biden said during his run for the Democrat party nomination: Barack Obama is not fit to be President.
Fact: Hillary Clinton said that Obama is not ready to pick up the "red phone" and serve as Commander-in-Chief.
Posted by: Todd | Oct 13, 2008 2:24:08 PM
Jake,I can't believe how you left off the part about Obama saying "we need to spread the wealth around" to the skeptical plumber. The top 5% will be paying higher taxes to people who don't even work. Why should anyone go to work when others will pay for you?
Obama is an assault to the American way.
This is socialism and you are spreading the propaganda like the rest of the media.
Posted by: Kim D. | Oct 13, 2008 2:23:41 PM
Welfare to 40% of the people that don't pay taxes.
Obama and those with their hands out may hate our Gov't but they sure love Gov't money.
It's not tax cuts--it's welfare.
Posted by: bailey | Oct 13, 2008 1:43:27 PM
In a way I'm almost happy some of you are so POed that Obama is ahead. Now maybe you FINALLY feel the same thing every person with two brain cells to rub together felt when GWB was re-elected. 9/11. Iraq. Katrina. Abu Graib. Warrantless wire-tapping. Blackwater. Halliburton. These are the things the Republican party has wrought and thank god the American people are sick of the greed, lies, and divisionary politics that made them possible. If for no other reason than to get Republicans away from the seats of power they have so egregiously abused, it's time for a change. You gloated as you ran this country into the toilet and finally your time has ended. I hope this rejection of your ideals pains you every bit as much as it pained those who had to watch as Republicans drunkenly drove the ship of State into a ditch.
At some point in the past John McCain might have been an honorable man but he left all that far behind when he sold his soul to get elected. Sarah Palin is the face of the Republican party as it stands; ignorant and proud of it, with arrogance and ego to spare. You've been so unreasonably scared that you were going to have a franchise of "Gay Abortion Clinics for Allah" crop up in your town that you allowed wolves to feed on the Constitution and make a mockery of our true values.
McCain would be a continuation of Bush, so I hope his failure pains you just as much as watching what the Republican party has done to this country pained those of us who love it as we had to stand by as you gutted it. You are willful know-nothings and I couldn't be more happy that your time is past.
Posted by: Greenman | Oct 13, 2008 12:29:05 PM
back to work
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:52:03 AM
But the Obama campaign did not address the larger issues of the presidential candidate's ties to ACORN and why Obama would hire for a "get out the vote" drive a reported subsidiary of an organization whose leadership was convicted in multiple voter fraud cases.
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:48:31 AM
The Obama campaign on Friday announced it was amending its FEC filings to indicate it hired CSI for "get out the vote" projects instead of stage, lighting and sound.
FEC spokeswoman Mary Brandenberger told the Tribune-Review it is not unusual for campaigns to amend FEC reports, even in the case of large sums of money.
The RNC immediately pounced, accusing Obama of hiding a deeper relationship with ACORN:
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:47:59 AM
In states that don’t have ID requirements, or those that have very lax early voting, absentee and mail in voting procedures, how much actual checking is going on to ensure that it’s one (legitimate) voter for every vote? And what about crossing state lines- is there a procedure in place to insure against that?
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:45:54 AM
Belle
show me the article or news report that says what you claim.
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:40:32 AM
Why in the bailout plan is there a PORK rider for ACORN.
They get 500 for every mortgage re written in the US.
That equals 500 million a year.
Simple answer, the more registrations they get out or claim the more they steal from the tax payers
Posted by: steve | Oct 13, 2008 11:38:54 AM
steve: Indeed it is. But why would any organization want to do it?
False registrations do not equal false votes.
All you're showing is that false registrations are, in fact, caught. Why would any party want to encourage false registrations? It's pointless. They care about votes, not registrations.
Of course, preventing registrations does prevent votes - if you're not registered, you can't vote. So if you're really looking for shenanigans, look at the people trying to prevent or remove registrations.
Posted by: Aengil | Oct 13, 2008 11:30:54 AM
Steve- as of 10 Oct 2008, the court upheld the birth certificate of Obama, so again, the places where you get your info is FOX perhaps.