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More Mixed Messages from McCain?

October 11, 2008 12:33 PM

Last night, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., tried to correct some of his more, er, angry and scared supporters, ones who seem to buy into the ludicrous myth that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is some sort of Muslim Manchurian candidate.

You can read more about McCain's response HERE or Jonathan Martin from Politico has a good account HERE.

This morning in Philly, Obama thanked McCain.

"I want to acknowledge that Senator McCain tried to tone down the rhetoric yesterday at his town hall yesterday," Obama said, "and I appreciate his reminder that we can disagree while still being respectful of each other. I’ve said it before, and I'll say it again – Senator McCain has served this country with honor, he deserves our thanks for that."

This was followed by an odd response from the McCain campaign, as if the GOP senator had not last night admirably tried to calm down a bizarrely agitated crowd.

“The tone of this election is not fueling voter outrage," said McCain spox Tucker Bounds, "it’s that Americans are frustrated knowing that Barack Obama’s plans to raise taxes during a down economy and his proposal for a trillion dollars in new government spending are the absolute wrong answers to our economic crisis."

What's the reason for the mixed messages? Well, the McCain campaign has no intention of letting up on the same character attacks on Obama that have been met on the stump with angry supporters yelling "treason!" "terrorist!" and "kill him!" when McCain and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin invoke Obama's name.

Palin yesterday in Cleveland said, "we've got to start connecting the dots between Barack Obama and some of his associations, some of the things he has done in the past, and more importantly, some of the things that he intends to do in the future, so that Americans will know clearly their choices. We'll lay this out to American voters in the next couple of days.”

They're kind of in a weird place, let's say. They want to keep attacking Obama on these "associations," but they don't want to be held responsible for the kinds of ugly reactions these attacks find on the trail from McCain-Palin supporters.

ABC News' Imtiyaz Delawala, traveling with Palin, reports that a Palin supporter in Johnstown, Pa., today was holding a Curious George monkey doll on which he'd put an Obama sticker.

At a McCain event, as the crowd waited for McCain himself to arrive, Pastor Arnold Conrad of the Grace Evangelical Free Church of Davenport, Iowa, gave an invocation that included the following: "I would also pray, Lord, that  your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons.  And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens.  So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day."

You can hear the invocation -- partly with audio only and partly with video -- HERE.

- jpt

October 11, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (671)

User Comments

McCain is a Joke! This is just another political stunt coming from the "do anything, say anthing" to win the election campaign of McCain-Palin. His campaign is the one who started all the hateful rhetoric. Using Palin as a "Attack Dog" because McCain is so called "Above" this. Give me a break McCain! It's your own strategy back-firing! The only reason McCain responded the way he did, is because he knew the cameras were on him. How else was he going to respond? He was backed into a corner. I can't wait to see them lose this election!

Posted by: Rick S | Oct 13, 2008 10:51:10 PM

In an ideal world, complete cooperation between different countries creates roads paved with gold, leading to a global utopia. But, historically, and in the real world, human nature and nationalism seem to return individual country's to a goal of self interest and national security. Rogue leaders and unexpected events, such as Putin and Georgia ... Iran, atomic bombs, terrorists and Israel ... Chavez's ambitions ... Al Quada ... Chinese expansion ... etc., always seem to upset the international apple cart of idealists. In addition, we should not take for granted our 200+ year experiment of freedom and capitalism, and be so willing to gamble it away for a socialistic notion which stifles the individual innovation and initiative which made this country great ... and a standard of living which makes everyone around the world want to live here! And, since many have decided to also make this a partisan political discourse, by assuring us that Obama, the messiah, has all the answers, allow me to respond to that as well. Obama has no experience, or credentials. When given the chance in the senate, Obama did nothing except to show up and vote present 160 times. Despite his flowery speeches, his track record reveals a focus on personal ambition, associations with anti-American racists and terrorists, massive flip flopping, questionable loyalty to political positions and long time friends, a desire for socialism, and forced redistribution of America's wealth. He casually promises everyone a chicken in every pot, even if it is the chicken that lays America's golden eggs. Economics 101 ... Every farmer knows that even if you get real hungry, you never eat the seed crop. One of the reasons McCain keeps going back to the issue of character is because although Obama makes great speeches, if his character and integrity are questionable, it doesn't matter how good his plans sound. Policies and promises from an ambitious politician who can't be trusted, are equivalent to building a utopian sky scrapper on a rotten foundation.
P.S. Today Obama talked about more jobs, something McCain has been insisting on since day one ... except Obama wants to raise taxes to the very people who provide jobs, while McCain wants to cut taxes to businesses as a way to promote jobs

Posted by: Howard | Oct 13, 2008 5:38:36 PM

Remember in the film "Borat" where he gets cheers for saying something to the effect that Bush should drink the blood of every man, woman, and child in Iraq? Well these are the close-minded brainwashed people the REpublicans are going after. God, Terrorists, Gays, Liberals, Pastor..., Troops, Freedom. These words are like switches in the imprisoned mind. Mention one of these words, turn them around against your opponent and the slaves are sure to support you.

Posted by: c-Phlat | Oct 13, 2008 12:10:05 PM

For truth seekers: Look up "Echo Chamber" and see where it leads you. It's very disturbing. It makes you wonder if there's any point in searching for truth.
If McCain loses I hope he will recover his integrity and issue a very sincere apology for the way his campaign was conducted.

Posted by: Cecily S | Oct 13, 2008 11:50:12 AM

Is pastor Arnold Conrad crazy. We all pray to ONE GOD be it Hindu, Buddha, Allah, Jews and Christians. Maybe this pastor should educate himself about cultures and religions we pray in different forms but we all pray to GOD. This man is calling himself a pastor what a disgrace he should be removed for the church for preaching such hatred. He has a narrow mind--Hindu, Buddha and Allah--people of color maybe that is what he is trying to say. What a shame seems as though McCain is not in charge of his campaign.

Posted by: Randy | Oct 13, 2008 10:31:40 AM

Well now i have heard all i want to hear, i hadnt made my mind up until now. I WILL NOT ALLOW myself to vote for a RACIST GOVERNEMENT>.... i will vote for FREEDOM>...

Posted by: made my mind up | Oct 13, 2008 8:05:31 AM

The Pastor Arnold Conrad of the Grace Evangelical Free Church of Davenport, Iowa needs to go back to Devinity school. Jews, Muslims and Christians pray to the same God.

Posted by: Hank | Oct 13, 2008 6:54:14 AM

Oh my god!

Are we playing "my god is bigger than your god?"

This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

This preacher is a child. McCain would be smart to drop him.

Dont worry, God wont punish you John. God's a little wiser than a parochial pastor.

Posted by: any123 | Oct 13, 2008 6:36:14 AM

The Smear:

The Republicans, desperate to smear Barack and try to build on their lies about his religion, insinuate that Barack Obama has a deep relationship with William Ayers. William Ayers was once a member of a radical group in the 1960s.

The Truth:

While “guilt by association” is one of the more bogus attacks in any political campaign, the attacks on Barack Obama over William Ayers are particularly “ridiculous,” in the words of one Republican legislator from Illinois.

Barack Obama lived in the same area of Chicago as Ayers, and Ayers has been a respected, politically active member of that community for years. Considering that, it’s actually remarkable how little the two have to do with each other. Early in Barack Obama’s career, he attended one reception in his own honor at Ayers’ house. They also were separately asked by a Republican-created charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. . "Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment," reported the New York Times. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together.

Again quoting the Times, “Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called ‘somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.’” Even Republican State Rep. Diana Nelson, who has worked with both men, calls the attacks “ridiculous,” and declared to NPR, “There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

This whole manufactured issue was already hashed over in the primary, but the Republicans, desperate to change the subject from the economic crisis and the unpopularity of their disastrous policies, are trying to revive this discredited attack once again. A shady Republican front group even ran ads trying to tie the 60s-era activities of Ayers to Al Qaeda today. If you believe we should get beyond the battles of the 60s to meet the challenges of the 21st century, reject these tired attacks and spread the truth. Forward this message on

Posted by: Kanroh | Oct 13, 2008 6:03:42 AM

I think Barrack was being way too generous to McCain. If I were Barrack I'd just tell McCain to 'straighten up and fly right.' No man of honor ( I refer to John McCain) would make speeches deliberately aimed to incite a lynch mob mentality in people via wild hyped-up accusations that rile paranoids nutcases into pre-violent states of mind. This lowers McCain's campaign into the realm of some very dangerous and unchartered territory. It is also a disgusting and unforgivable act. Governor Palin however, seems to thrive on this sort of rabble rousing paranoid inducing performance to the crowds. Which only tends to reinforce her image in the minds of millions of Americans as being an angry, trailor trash redneck. However, I was more dismayed by her refusal to answer Gwen Ifill's questions during the VP debate. Ms. Palin preferred instead to recite to us the lines she'd been rehearsing all week from the RNC headquarters. That's not only amateurish, it's pathetic.

Posted by: Strongboy in PA | Oct 13, 2008 4:38:53 AM

Wow, it took me fifteen minutes to glance over the posts here. This isn't a controversial subect I see. My thoughts are thus:

1) We are all God's children (At least the time I read my Bible.Did a new addition make its way out?)

2) We are beginninng to see a backlash with all of this hatred. There was an inicident in York, PA tonight where the GOP offices were spray painted with the tag Republicans equal slavery, or to that effect. Fred Thompson had an interesting line in the Movie "Hunt for Red October" where he said "Things will get out of hand, and people will die." It will get uglier with every day that the rhetoric goes unchecked. People that I have talked to are really ######, and this phony race baiting and "God is on our side" crap is not selling.

3)Watch for this election to become a referendum on the sleaze that has permeated Washington and the cronyism that was exemplified in the statement "Heck of a Job, Brownie."

Just my thoughts, A Vet.

Obama / Biden

Posted by: wesneeds | Oct 13, 2008 4:37:14 AM

It is great to see John McCain throwing some water on the fires that he and Sarah Palin have ignited. The problem is that those people are truly afraid and dangerous. They are capable of harming someone of color just because they are of color. They have already begun to attack journalist and other media personnel. That hate has been created by McCain/Palin. It is horrible and John McCain, win or lose the campaign, will go into history a dishonorable man and Palin the worst woman (or man) to ever campaign.

Posted by: NancyFromWellington | Oct 13, 2008 1:52:21 AM

No matter how you slice it; we are screwed.

Posted by: therockofages | Oct 12, 2008 11:15:11 PM

If there is one single Republican politician in DC, other than Chuck Hagel, with the political courage to start a campaign to purge the GOP of the neo-conservative wing-nuts who wrongly believe they now own America... then please step up. It might take 8 years but we need a new Republican Party in the future. Leave the wing-nuts behind... and start anew. We need leaders who are socially flexible and fiscally conservative, be they Democrats or new Republicans. The extremists on the right-wing are fueled by hate and a sense of entitlement. This year we need to send a message and vote 100% Democratic.

Posted by: Steve from Danville | Oct 12, 2008 11:14:04 PM

McCain has completely sold out. He's crossed the line... past redemption. There is nothing he can do now except retire from the Senate and start his next career as a lobbyist, (like Trent Lott, Tom DeLay, Dennis Haesert, and others.) His legacy has been forever tarnished by the spectre of these Hate Rallies. It just keeps getting worse. The Republican Party is now 99% morally bankrupt.

Posted by: Steve from Danville | Oct 12, 2008 11:07:03 PM

You can call me weak if you want and I don't care, but I am hurt that a person who calls himself a Christian Pastor called by GOD would say the things in this article. Because Obama is a christian, he should remember that true and living GOD will protect his own. He will also vendicate his own. The liars, the fake people who manipulated church members and other Americans by steering them wrong with lies will be exposed. The bible says you will reap what you sow and what you do in darkness will come to light. Their are Christians of all colors and cultures. Christians from all races, cultures and all colors are all over the world. GOD is not looking your skin color sir. He is looking at YOUR HEART !!!!

Posted by: A True Hurt Christian | Oct 12, 2008 10:03:09 PM

Is McCain in charge of his campaign anymore?

It seems to me he would rather lose honorably than win at all costs, and is genuiniely concearned about the reactions from his own base.

Yet his campaign seem all the more eager to fire them up?

Who is really in control here? The Karl Rove disciples in the campaign or McCain?

For what its worth I think its admirabel that McCain is trying to calm down his more radical supporters.

Posted by: Mark Fielding | Oct 12, 2008 9:47:47 PM

Tucker Bounds is the mastermind behind the continuation of these hateful lies and inuendo against Obama. I hope you never find youself on the unemployment line.

Posted by: Gambi | Oct 12, 2008 9:41:07 PM

8 ACORN employees were found guilty of election fraud in MO this last April. Obama has lied about Ayers for over a year, his friends in the mayor's office obstructed the release of CAC records for 9 month, when the records were finally release and he is exposed as a liar he crys foul. Of course being a liberal he accepts no personal responsibility for insulting us with his lie in the first place. He lied about Wright until he was forced to tell the truth. He lied on his reports when he claimed the 832K to ACORN was for lighting and stage setup. It wasn't until he was caught in that lie that he amended his report and to reflect the payment was for voter registration. After all without ACORN those 3000 dead people wouldn't have a voice. Those mean republicans don't want dead people to vote. More reputlican voter suppression.

Posted by: ubu1991 | Oct 12, 2008 9:37:47 PM

This pastor is nuts and completely out of touch with evangelical thinking. The Evangelical Free Church is la good denomination (Chuck Swindoll the author is of this background), but this pastor is absolutely nuts. He should be censored by his denomination. I am an evangelical Christian who will be voting for Barack Obama ... in deed, my faith compels me to vote Democratic this year. Americans can vote as they please ... it's a civic, not religious duty. Like I say, this guy is nuts and does a disservice to Christian Church to allow himself to get mixed up in taking sides politically.

Posted by: Eric | Oct 12, 2008 9:33:58 PM

The division I am reading in these comments is depressing-it looks like the "Divide and Conquer" strategy by the GOP is working. No matter who gets into office there will be no quick or easy way out of this mess but if Obama wins The GOP will do everything it can to undermine his efforts as they've always done to any sitting Democratic President("Power first, Country last").
ACORN was never found guilty anything(except signing up more Democrats-a crime to GOP).

Posted by: Cecily S | Oct 12, 2008 8:38:59 PM

McCain has done real damage to the Republican brand. What sane person is going to attend his rallies where lunatics rant nonsense. McCain actuallly looks scared of his own base. You could tell he was thinking "what a bunch of nut jobs I have on my side."

Posted by: val | Oct 12, 2008 8:35:03 PM

God please help the the people of the USA. The hatred, the name calling! It's the not the government that is destroying the nation, it's the average citizen whose heart is filled with hatred and disrespect that is tearing the USA apart from the seams. Stop blaming government and kill the hatred in your own dead hearts. Follow peace with all men. God help us all.

Posted by: Lsn2Jah | Oct 12, 2008 8:35:03 PM

I would match Obama and Biden's IQ, temperament, campaign, social awareness, economic plans, approach to policy, experience and knowledge of the constitution against McCain and Sarah Palin any day of the week.

McCain and Sarah Palin are a complete embarrassment, hate-filled, divisive and less than intelligent (to put it mildly). Their plans are to deregulate, privatize healthcare and social security and take the remaining nickels left under the mattresses of every economically-challenged citizen in this country, all the while, declaring war against half the world and profiting from no-bid military contracts.

Posted by: Jemma | Oct 12, 2008 8:31:52 PM

Palin was picked for gathering votes, nothing more. For God's sake, John McCAin met her only ONCE!

Palin has evolved from an embarassment to he party and state, to an instigator and distractor for her weak ticket.

If you are a Republican and you support this Idiot, maybe you should try to re-elect George W. Bush. Oh but the constitution only lets idiots serve two terms. Sorry.

Posted by: Obamatized | Oct 12, 2008 8:27:45 PM

Doesn't take much to convince you does it. Not a deep thinker are you. Maybe you will be impressed to know that Hamas, Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, and Kaddafi also endorse your candidate.Posted by:dropdeadgeorgeous 5:44 PMMark As Violation---------------------------------------Well good. I would love to see trade and travel opened again with Cuba. Maybe its time to quit punishing countries just because they dont live the way we want them to live. Not talking and cutting off coutries that decide to live by their beliefs and cultures is closing the door on the world and has gotten us no where. I know you republicans want to force the world to live by your beliefs and standards but guess what, they wont and I dont blame them. Thats their choice , just like we have ours. We are seen as a bully nation and police nation that thinks everyone should bow to us. Thats not the way real life is nor should we have the right to enforce our beliefs on others. Maybe thats why the world doesnt respect us now. Live and let live. Al Qaeda and the Republicans both want to enforce through fear tactics. They both want everyone to carry a Holy book in one hand and a assault rifle in the other and both think everyone should live by their standards. There is nothing wrong with friends and foes alike endorcing a canidate. World piece is something we strive for , not world US domination.

Posted by: CW | Oct 12, 2008 8:24:47 PM

I want to thank Palin. Because of her and McCains awful pick Obama will have an easier time winning the election. Palin now says the report clears her of any wrong doing and yet as we all know the report did no such thing. Palin is living is a fantasy world and part of that world tells her she is capable of being VP or even President. The only thing she does well besides lying is keeping that crook Karl Rove busy. Executive Privilege This McCain/Palin/Rove.

Posted by: CW | Oct 12, 2008 8:22:25 PM

"Besides, if over 50% of Americans want Obama for President, let them have him. When he brings us to ruin morally and structurally, we will simply be getting what we asked for." - CW

Um, we ARE already at a point where we have been THOROUGHLY thrashed and trashed by ruined morality and structyure. If you can't see it, then you must be blinded by the greed and arrogance, ... which was the catalyst of it all in the first place.

Posted by: Vince | Oct 12, 2008 8:06:46 PM

So the DemocRATS know that Pied Piper Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers. And yet they still give him a pass? Why? Are you out of your minds? Obama is an opportunist who has no experience and no qualification but has lots of inclinations towards terrorism and anti-American sentiment. Has he lied also about his Muslim origin? This man is a danger to the security of America.

Posted by: DBoy Rodriguez | Oct 12, 2008 8:04:30 PM

BRAITH,

you are kindred spirit.

Posted by: Ms. G | Oct 12, 2008 7:24:35 PM

I MEAN TO SAY AGAIN: THE LIVING GOD!!

Posted by: Ms. G | Oct 12, 2008 7:19:37 PM

I have also read through all the comments.

People, my kindred spirit, who know the Lord and have a daily relationship with Him know that "you shall know them by their fruits". It goes for both part: good and evil. Please look up fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5: verses 22 - 25

"...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance"

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man sow, that shall he also reap" Galatians 6: 7

I can only say that Church and State must stay separated.

But Pastors that err their congregation into false doctrine will have God's wrath upon them.

Jesus told us "not to be afraid" because whatever happen must happen; it is in God's plan.

Posted by: Ms. G | Oct 12, 2008 7:12:21 PM

McCain and Palin seem to attract more nut jobs than the Obama/Biden ticket.

Posted by: Lawrence | Oct 12, 2008 7:06:29 PM

McCain's can't believe, that for once in his life, he can't have things his way. The American people started off in favor of him, and now, after examining his views and listening to him, they've decided they like Obama better. What????It must be a plot! Obama must have operatives subverting the thinking power of everyday Americans!!! It couldn't possibly be because people disagree with him, the wonderful John McCain!
There was a time when I respected John McCain. That has changed, especialy now that he's employing playground bully tactics.Stand up and be responsible, John. If your followers are rabidly angry and want to do Obama harm, it's because of you. You've done everything but call your opponent the Antichrist, and I'm sure that's just a matter of time. What a way to finish your political career.

Posted by: Jean | Oct 12, 2008 6:41:44 PM

Having read through all the comments on this article, the only conclusion I have come to is that America is culturally flawed.

Excessive individuality, excessive violence, a widespread inability to meaningfully consider all sides of an issue, and a deep swath of prejudiced christian theocracy seems to have resulted in a social fabric that is deeply intolerant and divided.

I fear for the future here. Not financially, or politically, but socially. America just might not make sense anymore as a country.

Posted by: KO | Oct 12, 2008 6:28:46 PM

Mike wrote: I'm sure there are some things God doesn't like about Obama's beliefs. However, if it were in God's plan to stop Obama from being elected, He would do it. He does not need our help.

Besides, if over 50% of Americans want Obama for President, let them have him. When he brings us to ruin morally and structurally, we will simply be getting what we asked for.

Mike, I am a catholic minister and I repudiate every word you wrote.

Posted by: deacon | Oct 12, 2008 6:28:08 PM

TexaslibbyI see you're impressed by polls. Doesn't take much to convince you does it. Not a deep thinker are you. Maybe you will be impressed to know that Hamas, Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, and Kaddafi also endorse your candidate.Posted by:dropdeadgeorgeous 5:44 PMMark As Violation---------------------------------------Well good. I would love to see trade and travel opened again with Cuba. Maybe its time to quit punishing countries just because they dont live the way we want them to live. Not talking and cutting off coutries that decide to live by their beliefs and cultures is closing the door on the world and has gotten us no where. I know you republicans want to force the world to live by your beliefs and standards but guess what, they wont and I dont blame them. Thats their choice , just like we have ours. We are seen as a bully nation and police nation that thinks everyone should bow to us. Thats not the way real life is nor should we have the right to enforce our beliefs on others. Maybe thats why the world doesnt respect us now. Live and let live. Al Qaeda and the Republicans both want to enforce through fear tactics. They both want everyone to carry a Holy book in one hand and a assault rifle in the other and both think everyone should live by their standards. There is nothing wrong with friends and foes alike endorcing a canidate. World piece is something we strive for , not world US domination.

Posted by: CW | Oct 12, 2008 6:21:57 PM

I'm sure there are some things God doesn't like about Obama's beliefs. However, if it were in God's plan to stop Obama from being elected, He would do it. He does not need our help.

Besides, if over 50% of Americans want Obama for President, let them have him. When he brings us to ruin morally and structurally, we will simply be getting what we asked for.

Posted by: Mike | Oct 12, 2008 6:12:27 PM

On Conrad, the so-called pastor:

When you are filled with arrogance, and ignorance of those who do not look like you, nor do they think like you, ... it is easy to espouse rhetoric that is of an abomination, and is filled with blasphemy.

I wonder if a jewish Rabbai said something like that, how would people respond. I wonder if a catholic priest said that all who are not catholic, are the devil's demons, how would that be received.

This pastor has spewed out garbage that was spewed out, when they were burning people at the stakes for witchcraft.

Posted by: Vince | Oct 12, 2008 5:38:41 PM

Pastor Arnold Conrad invocation is not for a political rally. First of all I am shocked it has now come to this too. John McCain has gone too far!!! Why degrade other beliefs? Why is this allowed??

Posted by: Sharonklim | Oct 12, 2008 5:33:07 PM

Has everyone noticed that these republicans LOVE TO ACCUSE and point fingers, but they never back it up with fact??????????????????????

This is why McCain, the war hero (giggle), will not "say it to his face."

"Obama started his political career in Ayer's livingroom," is a bold faced lie. Obama was campaigning long before he was invited to a coffee function by Ayer's wife.

The only thing Ayers and Obama had in common, is school reform.

Posted by: Vince | Oct 12, 2008 5:31:26 PM

Ok, you are correct! Obama lied about Ayers. Can you name me a presidential candidate, in the History of the USA, who has NEVER?

Anyone except for Lincoln, Honest Abe.

Come on people this is politics? If you want to convience someone else to vote for McCain, you need to give up on the "so-called Character" debate. But, the GOP still have 2 trump cards (Guns and Gays)...their bread and butter.

W. Bush said it best in Tennessee, ....fool me once, can't get fooled again....

Posted by: Kenneth of Minneapolis | Oct 12, 2008 5:24:14 PM

Oh, just to clarify my short answer: I meant to say, YES, the blinded far-right evangelical brainwashed GOP are insane.

Posted by: RealityByte | Oct 12, 2008 5:14:08 PM

Please remember that Pastor Conrad is not running for office.

Today, I heard Sarah Palin say this, "....we look to the future, and that is where we find solutions.” Can someone please help me to understand what she is saying? Is this leadership?

When will she actually say something that inspires?

Posted by: Kenneth of Minneapolis | Oct 12, 2008 5:13:16 PM

Short answer: YES, they are insane.

Posted by: RealityByte | Oct 12, 2008 5:10:45 PM

Are these people insane? They really sound insane.

Posted by: judesuper | Oct 12, 2008 5:00:14 PM

DemocRATS are being mesmerized by the Pied Piper of Illinois.

Obama lied about the depth of his relationship with Ayers. He effectively launched his political career in Ayers house. Obviously he wasn't 8 years old anymore, was he?

As for Rev. Wright, he attended his church for 20 years. It is impossible that he hasn't been listening to this Pastor's anti-American rhetoric.

OBAMA IS A LYING so he could hypnotize all of you into voting for him.

It is as simple as that.

Wake up all of you before you drown in the river of death that Obama is leading you all.

Posted by: DBoy Rodriguez | Oct 12, 2008 4:37:52 PM

If Sarah Palin connects the dots like she answered questions in the debate, she'll only connect to the dots that she feels like and ignore all the others as if they aren't even there.

Posted by: Rick_VY | Oct 12, 2008 4:11:12 PM

Church and State must be separated. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it...we don't want people burning at the stake nor any Salem-type witch trials again.

Separation of Church and State is noted in the First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

The government takes the stance of neutrality w/respect to religion---neither for nor against.


Additionally, the "Lemon test", which details the requirements for legislation concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:

(1). The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose.
(2). The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion.
(3). The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.


Now, let's take this step one further for those people who think the U.S. is based on Christian principals. The "Treaty of Tripoli" in 1797 states the following:

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity of Musselmen..." Use Wikipedia for more info.

The treaty was started under George Washington's presidency and ratified by Congress under John Adams, and signed into law by Adams. The treaty was passed with a unanimous vote and not a single protest has ever been recorded even though it was noted in three major newspaper of its day. Our founding fathers knew that religion absolutely corrupts governments, as observed in Europe at that time, and wanted Church and government separated.

The U.S. is the first country to separate Church and State. We the people must be vigilant in protecting the vision of our founding fathers.

Posted by: Guy Ortri | Oct 12, 2008 4:09:38 PM

It make me laugh what this people are talking about specially,GOP and Mccain-palin bakers and their Pastor and their so called"GOD".I really don't know if their God is "Republican" or not. If so can their "Republican God" make Mccain/Palin next US president?? Poll is not saying so.In fact Maccin/Palin will loose Landslide by our GOD ofcourse to save us From this "Evil"people.In 2000 we saw Bush"s stolen Election,Bhogus WMD &Iraq war,Bush's National Prayer before going to Bhogus Iraq war and killing of millions of Innocent Iraqi people and thosands of US solders,Remember?? These are the same people again taking about their "GOD". Of course God is one and will save his people from evil and Hatred for human mankind.He probably already decided what we will see in Nov.4 I really wonder how this people will react when PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA will take oath of office. I am anxiously waitng to see in next month of course what is going to happen. He will be the President of USA and for Republican ,Democrats and independent .
OBAMA/BIDEN "08

Posted by: mksyed | Oct 12, 2008 4:06:49 PM

I don't think Palin is capable of connecting dots, as she puts it, even if arrows were used to point her to the next dot. And this is not an attack on her gender, it is an attack on her ignorance....the woman is just plain daft.

Posted by: kriskraft63 | Oct 12, 2008 3:34:41 PM

DEAR IRS....GET TO WORK.

Posted by: independentvoter9 | Oct 12, 2008 3:26:32 PM

Sorry to use this term but the McCain/Palin ticket is trying to "bs" their way into the Whitehouse.. McCain has a long record of voting against Veteran & Military funding.. There are many articles @ Veteran Organizations pointing too McCain's dismal record on funding our Veterans & Military. Hence the reason some Veteran Organizations & troops are voting for Obama.. Cindy McCain knows this but she would never state it..

Posted by: dvine | Oct 12, 2008 3:15:51 PM

McCain has no integrity. I find it amazing that Cindy can sit up there and make an issue about Obama's 1 vote against military funding when McCain has a horrible record when it comes to Veteran/Military funding and issues

Posted by: musicisourhigh | Oct 12, 2008 2:59:48 PM

Sounds like he is planning an all out assualt on Obama with all of our most vile and low traits. It seams as if he is calling on our lowest characters in society to side with him. Religious zealots and racist mobs. Thoroughly unimpressed with Mc Cain not only as a man but as a former soldier myself I am find myself totally unconnected with his message that calls for the hateful,fearful, evils of our societies to against what now seems like the good citizens of America on the Obama side. Ironic from my view point since I am white and also a soldier that Obama represents the good side.

Posted by: Chris | Oct 12, 2008 2:41:37 PM

MERLE7 :

Correct, except McCain's people are pleading with God to reconsider.

Posted by: JMC | Oct 12, 2008 2:33:41 PM

The McCain/Palin tactics to paint Obama as a terrorist feeding the ignorant minds of racists and bigots makes me ashamed that this is going on in my country.

I have felt this constant shame for 8 years and am damn tired of it. They are proving exactly why we need change.

Posted by: DeniseFox | Oct 12, 2008 2:31:51 PM

Wow!

It is not just Obama, GOD is now on trial at McCain/Palin rally!!

At first I thought I would blame Palin and McCain, but the more I think about it, if they criticize everyone that says such rubbish stuff at their eallies, no one will show up.

That is what happens when they pump all that venomous attack at their opponent, they attract the misfits - every city for sure will have a thousand or so such misfits.

Sad for a respected senator and War hero to be such an embarassment for our political process which we want the world to emulate.

Posted by: Selam | Oct 12, 2008 2:29:40 PM

IF THIS PREACHER WAS A TRUE MAN OF GOD HE WOULD KNOW THAT GOD IS IN CONTROL. IF OBAMA WERE TO WIN IT WILL BE BY THE WILL OF GOD. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND DOES EVERYTHING FOR THE BEST. BUT THESE SO CALLED CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN ARE WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTHING,AND TEND TO HIDE BEHIND RELIGION

Posted by: MERLE7 | Oct 12, 2008 2:28:27 PM

poisonous, this is poisonous and vilainious. I don't want my mind to be poison by those fack/false pastor or priest or fake religions.That is the reason I don't go to their church.

Posted by: clircle | Oct 12, 2008 2:21:56 PM

His name was Edward L. Bernays. He was Sigmund Freud's Nephew. He was born in Vienna on November 22, 1891 and died in his home at Cambridge, Massachusetts on March 9, 1995 at the age of 103.

Before the early twentieth century, marketers thought of people as being rational beings. They figured all they had to do was reason with the public logically if they wanted to sell their product. Freud's theories pointed out that everyone also possessed an unconscious mind filled with instincts and hidden emotions as sex, security, aggression, and survival. This unconscious mind greatly influences how people as a whole behave.

Posted by: JMC | Oct 12, 2008 2:15:25 PM

There is an amazing amount of ignorance in the Republican circles. Where do these people come from.

Posted by: Oh Really?! | Oct 12, 2008 2:09:08 PM

McCAIN AND HIS CAMPAIGN SHOULD SIT DOWN , PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS AND READ THEIR BIBLE . BUT I HOPE THEY DON´T MISUNDERSTAND THE BIBLE LIKE THEY MISUNDERSTAND THE ECONOMY !

Posted by: JUNIOR | Oct 12, 2008 2:03:01 PM

i don't think that the conservatives are real follower of the word of God. i hear all the negative tones form them not from Obama( the one whom they don't accept his christianity). Sins are listed in the holy bible, like insult Anger and lies. and the people who call themselves "christians" are Excercising this by violating the word of God. if they were real christian they would have a confidnece in their prayer so that God would bring the candidate he thinks better for American. but now the so called christians are trying to select the candidate in their own willing. that is why they are begging mccain to attack obama more instead of begging God to give them the one good for the Job. some pastors are doing something that contradict with bible. they forget their responsibiliy.
bible says;
Therefore the victory is ours when the battle is the Lord's! The battle is the Lord's when we abide in His Word. When we abide in God's Word, "we shall know the truth, and the truth shall make us free!" (John 8:31-32).

Posted by: solom | Oct 12, 2008 1:52:01 PM

WE ALL TRY TO CONDEMN ISLAMIC RADICALS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND McCAIN AND HIS PASTOR ARE BUSY RECRUITING CHRISTIAN RADICALS IN AMERICA??? ARE THOSE THE JOBS PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR?? ALL WE HEAR FROM McCAIN CROWD "KILL HIM" "BOMB HIM" "TERRORIST" AND NOW HE CANNOT CONDEM HIS SPIRITUAL LEADER REFERING OBAMA AS "INSULT TO GOD" WHERE DOES THIS PASTOR DIFFER FROM OTHER RADICALS OF McCAIN´S RALLIES?? IS THIS THE LEADERSHIP OF DIVISION McCAIN WANTS TO OFFER?? THE POLLS SIMPLY SHOWS PEOPLE HAVE FINALLY REALISED McCAIN HAS NO ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS WE FACE. HE SAID HE IS DUMMY IN ECONOMY, THE DEBATES HAVE SHOWN HE ALSO DOESN´T GET IT ON FOREIGN POLICY AND AT 73 HE PICKED AN UNQUALIFIED PALIN FOUND COMMITING CRIMES IN ALASKA! IT ALL NARROWS DOWN THAT McCAIN IS NOT ONLY FIT BUT ALSO NOT READY TO LEAD!!

Posted by: JUNIOR | Oct 12, 2008 1:50:04 PM

WE ALL TRY TO CONDEMN ISLAMIC RADICALS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND McCAIN AND HIS PASTOR ARE BUSY RECRUITING CHRISTIAN RADICALS IN AMERICA??? ARE THOSE THE JOBS PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR?? ALL WE HEAR FROM McCAIN CROWD "KILL HIM" "BOMB HIM" "TERRORIST" AND NOW HE CANNOT CONDEM HIS SPIRITUAL LEADER REFERING OBAMA AS "INSULT TO GOD" WHERE DOES THIS PASTOR DIFFER FROM OTHER RADICALS OF McCAIN´S RALLIES?? IS THIS THE LEADERSHIP OF DIVISION McCAIN WANTS TO OFFER?? THE POLLS SIMPLY SHOWS PEOPLE HAVE FINALLY REALISED McCAIN HAS NO ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS WE FACE. HE SAID HE IS DUMMY IN ECONOMY, THE DEBATES HAVE SHOWN HE ALSO DOESN´T GET IT ON THE ECONOMY AND AT 73 HE PICKED AN UNQUALIFIED PALIN FOUND COMMITING CRIMES IN ALASKA! IT ALL NARROWS DOWN THAT McCAIN IS NOT ONLY FIT BUT ALSO NOT READY TO LEAD!!

Posted by: JUNIOR | Oct 12, 2008 1:46:38 PM

To Zak:

I believe Mr. Obama denounced the terrorist activities of Mr. Ayers from the 1960's as "despicable acts".

Your guilt-by-association 6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon arguments are wearing thin.

Your statements about Mr. Ayers blocking exits to family homes where he planted bombs - true or not - implies that perhaps Mr. Obama was there helping him. In fact Mr. Obama was 8 years old living in another part of the world when this occurred. Similarly one of the advertisements of McCain alleges "Obama's friend firebombed my friend's house" implying that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama planned that act together.
Given that Mr. Ayers was on the Annenberg foundation committe, is it fair to say that one of Ronald Reagan's rich-insider friends had an agenda to empower domestic terrorists? Given the ages of Mr. Annenberg and Mr. Reagan, you can be sure THEY knew Mr. Ayers history when he was appointed. By your logic we should see headlines "REAGAN PAL KNOWINGLY FUNDS DOMESTIC TERRORIST! REAGAN REWARDS PAL WITH BRITISH AMBASSADORSHIP!".

Posted by: Irmanator | Oct 12, 2008 1:44:30 PM

IRS...It's time to come out of the woodwork and strip this idiot of his Tax exempt status ASAP!!! ENFORCE this CODE. This is racism. END OF STORY. Thank you minister you just confirmed my independent vote for the DEMS THIS year!!

Posted by: independentvoter9 | Oct 12, 2008 1:43:06 PM

i really wonder who are those people vote jone maccane and scarr obama why? if mccaen became pri.... country will down becouse jone maccaen love war so we all becoame distroy but obama said i will stop war and we going to have change in the country so how do u scarry obama they most be stupped people.

Posted by: tomes | Oct 12, 2008 1:42:42 PM

the pathetic lack of pastor Conrad's religious training would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary, his complete lack of understanding of the world religions is appalling, and dangerous.Are we still in the dark ages?
Is this a precursor to an inquisition?
How many of these half baked pseudo men of God are out there telling the masses what to think?

Posted by: 9michael99 | Oct 12, 2008 1:40:31 PM

I hope Obama wins and forces this church to pay all the back taxes they owe from the time they started telling their lies about how "GOD" wants McCain to win. BTW Religulus was an awesome film. Bill Mahr is the man.

Posted by: C-Phlat | Oct 12, 2008 1:39:22 PM

i follow this election since scotland it is sad to see how this election has turn out it is so sad for american i am chretian and proud to pray for both candidates.
God created all race equal

Posted by: emilie | Oct 12, 2008 1:39:14 PM


Oh yeah, remember the show Cheers and the character Cliff Clayburn, the self-proclaimed expert on everything?

Cliff's posturing and convoluted explanations were laughable (SSPA), as is Republican communion ridiculous.

Posted by: ziadora | Oct 12, 2008 1:29:24 PM

I never knew God had to guard HIS reputation or that he cared much for American politics (since HE knows the outcome already). This would be almost funny, if there were not people out there who actually believe this way. ;-)

Posted by: Anna | Oct 12, 2008 1:28:30 PM