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All the Obama Haters. Look at your girl Palin. She is guilty of abuse of power. So really can't be trusty.

Look like the Mavericks like breaking rules.

Yawn....

Forty years pass. Ayers is teaching at the same university as you.He's on several of the same commities as you. He's a productive member of society.I would assume he was rehabilitated too. Nobody talked about him, cared about him, and half of America didn't know about him.He didn't threaten you, obviously wasn't a problem for all the students and their parents. So what's the big deal now? Dose John McCain want nothing to do with the Vietnamese? No one cares about Ayers. What happened to all the good Christians out there that believe in forgiveness? Oh ya, their standing at McCain rallies shouting racial slurs and kill him.

bev:

OBAMA.....is all smoke and mirrors!

"Was not Obama personally selected by Ayers?"

Open to question. "In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama’s appointment." - NYT.

Those several people might all be lying of course, or the NYT might be misreporting, but there's no evidence that Ayers actually did appoint Obama, only speculation that he 'must have'.

"I don't know this man" - - terrorist Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, convicted slum lord Rezco, corrupt Franklin Raines, terrorist Bernadette Dohrns.

Americans now say about Obama "I don't know this man"

Rehabilitated! ROFLMAO!

While Obama and Ayers were serving together on the Woods Fund, Ayers made his infamous, "I don’t regret setting bombs, I feel we didn’t do enough" comment published on 9/11.

Contrary to a meme being pushed by interested parties, the Weather Underground killed innocent people.

Brian V. McDonnell an officer with the San Francisco Police, was ripped apart by shrapnel Feb 16, 1970. He succumbed to his injuries two days later. Officer Robert Fogarty was permanently injured in the same blast. FBI mole Larry Grathwohl says Bill Ayers built the bomb, and that Bernadine Dohrn placed it on the station window ledge. Nyack, NY Police Officer Waverly Brown and Sergeant Ed O'Grady, along with Brinks guard Peter Paige, were killed in an armored car robbery that was a joint operation between the Weather Underground and elements of the Black Liberation Army in 1981.

Obama condemened the Reverends actions after much pressure so he admited to the man's poor character.

He said he only knew Myers incidentally, but that was a lie. They worked together on boards and Obama funnelled money to him to fund his extremist school. Later he said he "thought he was reformed."

Finally, he was closely associated with ACORN and we all know the criminal activities they've been involved in.

The bottom line. Either Obama has such poor judgement of characther that he UNKNOWINGLY surrounds himself with character of ill repute or he does it INTENTIONALLY.

Intentional or not. Obama is constantly surrounded by bad people and in the midst of curruption. Do you really want him to be our next President?

Barack Hussein Obama "ASSUMES"... another bone head dicision..we dont need this man as our President...wake up USA!

"Believe me, if that man was still a danger to anyone, would the feds allow him to be where he is now?"
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What "feds" do you think are above corporate control? There. aren't. any.

If there were any part of the "feds" which can control the corporations, the corporations wouldn't have succeeded in taking over the US Treasury, with the collusion of BOTH major party presidential candidates AND the "Democratic" Congress.

Do yourself a favor, kids: vote for Nader.

Ayers was never "locked up" or convincted of any crime, unlike Mr. Keating.

"Or is Obama a closet republican?"
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What "closet"? THAT closet, at least, is wide open: Obama's NEVER been any kind of democratic operator -- except when hijacking the party's nominations for various offices on the way to the big coup.

He's a mob-friendly pretty boy who's the figurehead for corporate operators who are very-private-people.

I just have this to say about associations with anyone you work with.
Any of you here, do you know what your boss does after work, or your fellow workers?

How do any of you know who or what you are associating with?

How many of you even knew the name Ayers until now?

Believe me, if that man was still a danger to anyone, would the feds allow him to be where he is now?
McCain was associated with Ayers as well through the founder Anningberg(sorry not right spelling)...

It is all smoke and mirrors.

Obama/Biden '08

"If Ayers is such a bad person, why isn't he still locked up and why in the world would anyone let him teach at their college?"
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The answer to this question is that Ayers is VERY rich, and his FATHER was VERY rich while the Weathermen were destroying SDS and the social revolution of the sixties.

Were Ayers and Dohrn -- who, unlike many others less well connected, not only were NEVER "locked up", but were professionally "rehabilitated" in the blink of an eye -- actually doing the work of the corporations/COINTELPRO in the sixties? It's worth wondering.

And is Obama's association with Ayers in his Columbia days the reason the "Democrats" have concealed everything about that period of Obama's past?

Do yourself a favor, liberals: vote for Ralph Nader. We KNOW which side HE's on.

(NOTE: poster "Susan" seems to have stung someone with that post on Ayers-Obama.)

Aengil says,

"It depends on the nature of the participation."

I couldn't agree more. unfortunately I and the rest of the world are at a disadvantage because the details of the Obama-Ayers relationship are fuzzy. I'll concede that point. But why are they fuzzy? Due to a lack of public documentation, Ayers refusing to talk and Obama changing his story from "a guy in my neighborhood" to "I assumed he had been rehabilitated". My, how the story has morphed.

Ayers was the money man, Obama was his chairman, correct? Was not Obama personally selected by Ayers? That's a pretty tight relationship at minimum. There are zero parallels to anyone else working on the board at the time. Even more spurious are claims that anyone who works at the same place as a socialist, etc., is guilty by participation. That's pretty weak.

"The point I'm making is simply that this is a complex issue."

Not to me. That's the big difference here. There were thousands of Viet Nam war protesters and only a few who chose to bomb their own people and facilities. Ayers was a delusional, self-righteous ideologue, son of a wealthy and influential Chicago businessman who took it upon himself to terrorize the populace. What is so complex? Many, many people acted out to the point where they made a difference in national policy but did not go to his extremes.

Isn't Palin supposed to be a Bible thumper or something? Well, she might try reading that book a little more carefully:

"I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not." Matthew 25:43

"Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." Colossians 3:13

I don't know what kind of character Ayers is, but it's pretty obvious he's rehabilitated himself, given his current position as an educator, not that he was ever convicted of any crime in the first place.

Palin, AGAIN, is a hypocrit.

Woody: "See, this isn't a matter of guilt by association with Obama and Ayers. It's a matter of guilt by PARTICIPATION. An entirely different matter."

It depends on the nature of the participation. You participated with socialists and communists, not directly, but simply by virtue of working at the same facility as them. That doesn't make you a commie, obviously. It depends entirely on the nature of the participation.

"Again, he tries to make a moral equivalence between domestic terrorism, defined as creating terror among the populace by exploding bombs in public places, and American action in the Viet Nam war. It's insane in my opinion but apparently you're ready to sign up for that."

Actually, I disagree with it personally, but that doesn't mean I think it's insane. There is a lot of substance to such an argument. The point I'm making is simply that this is a complex issue.

"That's what makes this country great, as well as the right to pair up with such people for six or seven years on "education reform"."

And here we get to the heart of the matter. You have to look at the whole picture. You say 'such people', well, who else was on the board? What do the records show?

e.g. Arnold Weber, member of the Nixon administration, and recent donor to the McCain campaign, was on the board of the CAC with Obama.

How does that figure into your equation? Does Weber share Ayers beliefs too? Or is Obama a closet republican?

Susan, Susan, Susan...

"Obama's relationship with Ayers has been close and long-term"

No it hasn't.

"both were attending Columbia U. in NYC, working with the same faculty mentor and living within walking distance of each other"

There are tens of thousands of people at Columbia U. Many of them will live within walking distance of each other, what with all working/attending the same location. They don't have a close relationship with each other.

"–1987 when BO was working as a community organizer for the Alinsky-style Developing Communities Project (DCP) and Ayers was a new assistant professor of education at the U. of Ill. Chicago Circle Campus, involved politically with the public schools crisis and looking to DCP as an ally."

You've got to be kidding me. You claim Ayers was 'looking to DCP'? Let's have details, what did he actually do? What did Obama do with Ayers then, hrm? Because from what you said there, you've got nothing.

"–1988 when Ayers solicited Khalid al-Mansour to raise money for BO's Harvard education."

Untrue. Obama attended Harvard with the help of student loans - he took out $42,753 worth.

"–1989 when Ayers and his father Tom Ayers (very prominent Chicago businessman and former head of Commonwealth Edison) got Obama a job at Sidley Austin law firm"

Untrue.

"–1993 when Bill Ayers placed BO on the Chicago Woods Foundation."

Untrue. (Woods director Jean Rudd did that).

"–1995 when Bill Ayers made BO chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge through year 2000."

Untrue. Obama was appointed by a group. Deborah Leff made the recommendation.

And so on.

The Republican veep nominee
is a secessionist. Her
husband is also committed
to making Alaska a foreign
country. It's disgusting
to see people like them.

Both should be in prison for
life.

You silly people act as if Obama was hanging out with this guy Ayers when he was 8 years of age bombing up the world! If Ayers is such a bad person, why isn't he still locked up and why in the world would anyone let him teach at their college?

I bet all of you trying to make this man's past an issue has some big ole skeletal bodies up on the shelf in your closet ready to bang a person in the head if they dared explore your past. Can this man let his past misdoings rest in peace? It was 40 years ago and you people are behaving as if it was yesterday! If this all you got? I mean for real this is truly a non issue. I would like to know the criminals you associate with!

You know it's funny I can't understand how you McCain supporters conveniently ignore all of the mess created over the last 8 years. Maybe you enjoy suffering but "my friends" the majority of us need a new way and if you have a problem with us not wanting to dig a deeper hell for ourselves that is just something you are going to have to deal with. No one is going to ignore the mess this country is in. I'd rather a so-called "socialist" over a hell bating "rich only" club racist group of idiots any day. And for the poor people supporting this group I have no idea when you are going to wake up and realize that it is not a race issue in this country it is a class issue and if you don't have the money you are not a part of the club. For the love of God, your skin color no longer gets you over unless you are green with 100 dollar bill stamped all over you! We are tired of suffering at the hands of these lunatics making this land inhabitable! Now maybe you need something to complain about and like to live on the streets scractching for food wishing they didn't steal your retirement money but that is your business and I would like for you to keep it to yourself. We are not going to hell with you!

Obama/Bided 08-16!!!!!

Aengil,

I worked at the university for a little less than a year and left for various reasons, not the least of which was the political environment. I never collaborated with any socialists or communists on any boards.

See, this isn't a matter of guilt by association with Obama and Ayers. It's a matter of guilt by PARTICIPATION. An entirely different matter.

The lengths to which people will go to defend Bill Ayers is simply staggering. Ayers never refuted any quotation in the NY Times article. Not a single one. Sure, he didn't kill anyone directly by pure chance. The bombs intended for Fort Dix most certainly would have killed many.

Again, he tries to make a moral equivalence between domestic terrorism, defined as creating terror among the populace by exploding bombs in public places, and American action in the Viet Nam war. It's insane in my opinion but apparently you're ready to sign up for that.

Of course being a socialist or communist is legal in the U.S. That's what makes this country great, as well as the right to pair up with such people for six or seven years on "education reform". But please don't try to spin it as some virtuous act. Obama knew exactly who Ayers was, what his past was, and now, finally, claims he thought he was rehabilitated. If you believe that I've got some hot AIG stock to sell you.

"People do need to bear in mind that Ayers is a professor, and was also appointed to the boards of these charities."
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"Charities"?? Hahaha.

What people REALLY need to bear in mind is that Ayers was/is a major hereditary CORPORATE player -- whose ostensibly super-"left" activities with the Weathermen put an end to the broad-based social movement of the late sixties.

The quality of reporting on Ayers' activities during the Weatherman period has NOT been good.

Ayers rehabilitated himself
long ago and is now a
professor of education.

McCain still suffers from
imaginary POW trauma. He
was treated well as a POW
but has gone to extraordinary
lengths to fabricate torture
stories and has deceived the
public for 35 years to
build a political career
for himself.

Obama's relationship with Ayers has been close and long-term, stretching from as early as 1983 (when both were attending Columbia U. in NYC, working with the same faculty mentor and living within walking distance of each other) through the present. That relationship includes:

–1987 when BO was working as a community organizer for the Alinsky-style Developing Communities Project (DCP) and Ayers was a new assistant professor of education at the U. of Ill. Chicago Circle Campus, involved politically with the public schools crisis and looking to DCP as an ally.

–1988 when Ayers solicited Khalid al-Mansour to raise money for BO's Harvard education. (Mansour, a Black Muslim (NOI), was a mentor to Black Panther Party founders and advisor to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, one of the world's richest men.)

–1989 when Ayers and his father Tom Ayers (very prominent Chicago businessman and former head of Commonwealth Edison) got Obama a job at Sidley Austin law firm, where Michelle was already working, as was Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn, who apparently had been hired as a favor to Tom Ayers.

–1993 when Bill Ayers placed BO on the Chicago Woods Foundation.

–1995 when Bill Ayers made BO chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge through year 2000.

–1995 when Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn hosted the launch of Obama’s political career at their Chicago home.

–1997 when MO, who was then Assoc. Dean of Student Services and Director of the Community Service Center (CSC) at U. of Chicago, invited Bill Ayers and her husband, BO, then a senior lecturer in the University's Law School, to speak at a University-sponsored juvenile justice panel at the CSC.

–1997 when BO prepared a book blurb for Ayers' book.
–2002 when Ayers and BO again appeared together on a panel regarding intellectualism, co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.

jpt quotes The CHANGEling Obama:

"we're teetering on a really, really bad situation."

Uh, "teetering"? This from a person who voted to turn the US Treasury over to the financial corporations who are his major supporters?

Spoken like the vapid corporate figurehead he is.

Meanwhile, in San Francisco, somebody seems to have bombed the BART tracks, and the bomb squad was deployed in the Mission District, in a local news report which was never followed up.

Go read "Ayers Has Not Left Radicalism Behind" yesterday at ibdeditorial

Anyone who buys that ridiculous 'I was 8 when he did a bad thing' line is a gullible moron.

Someone posted how McCain is so great because he's from militaary royalty, as opposed to someone who hangs around 60's era terrorists. What B.S.! First, McCain is a punk, like Bush, who was born on third and thought he hit a triple. He was lucky to get an sppointment to Annapolis, because his high school grades stunk! He graduates near the bottom of his class, and if he was NOT the son of an admiral, would have been tossed out of the academy before the first sememster of his freshman year! he ONLY gets to go to flight school becuase of daddy and granddaddy, and crashed his first jet in training, then after getting his wings, crashed a plane flying home after an Army/Navy game. Then there's the controversial incident on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal, where it's alleged he didn't follow proper procedures and "wet-started" his jet, making the situation worse. When he gets shot down, he again admits he didn't take proper procedures to avoid being hit by a SAM in his autobiography! When he gets back from Vietnam, and stays in the Navy for another decade, he again crashes another plane! Then lets talk about his associations with right-wing, John Birch type groups, joining the World Anti-Communist League, led by a neo-Nazi former Air Force colonel, Johon Singlaub, an organization that backed right-wing death squads in a number of countries, very anti-democratic! Then there's the Keating Five Scandal, and McCain was lucky to get a free pass on that one. McCain, the seantor who didn't like regulating businesses in any way, shape or form, and totally for dismantling FDR's New Deal business-regulating legislation that saved the consumer/taxpayer middle class and working poor, and saved the American business world from itself!
Finally Palin: connected with a right-wing wacko Alaskan Independent Party, whom she addressed earlier THIS year, a group allied with the Confederacy Party which wants the former Confederate States to be independent, and the so-called Constitution Party (a misnomer if there ever was one), which wants a Christainist USA!
GO OBAMA!

marylou: "there's still much more beneath the surface than has seen the light of day"

How do you know that, if it hasn't seen the light of day?

You don't.

All we want are the facts, ma'am.

Woody: It's always entertaining when someone takes part of what someone says as verbatim truth, while simultaneously ignoring other things the same person said.

You're picking and choosing from what Ayers has said. Ayers responded to the NYT's reporting him as saying "we didn't do enough", stating the article was "deliberate distortion". He stated he said he "had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength." And he also said "My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy." That makes for a slightly more complex picture, does it not?

Bombing symbolic buildings in opposition to a war (particularly one as contentious as the Vietnam war) is always going to be a complex subject. It's trivializing just to yell "Ayers! Terrorist! TERRORIST!!!"

But as for him being a terrorist now - what acts of terror is he committing, exactly, these days? Teaching?

I mean, what definition of rehabilitation are you working with? Should Obama have read Ayer's mind to work out whether he was truly rehabilitated? Or, since as far as I'm aware he's not telepathic, should he have looked at what Ayers was doing?

Finally, you said "Just because someone works for a major university does not mean they cannot be an active socialist, communist ..." You are actually allowed to be a socialist or communist in this country. It's not illegal. And if you think there's a problem working alongside such people, well, you also said you've worked in such a university. Can I conclude that you, therefore, are a commie?

I didn't think so.

Obama's "last eight years" is a red herring designed to absolve democrats...even SNL made fun of democrats' involvement in the crisis...does he not get it? At least McCain admits it is a bipartisan issue...

Aengil, you're a good little soldier for Obama, but intelligent people know that Obama was indeed attempting to hide the depth of his relationship with Rezko. In fact, the true story only came out in dibs and drabs as needed - and there's still much more beneath the surface than has seen the light of day. Which makes the rest of his quote about "trust" all the more interesting. But you're right, I did mean Obama/Rezko/Auchi - and there's a lot there if anyone in the media cares to dig for it. Which luckily for Obama, nobody does.

Bottom line: Obama can't be trusted.

It's all about trust & character ...

Let's see ... a war vet with a lifetime of service to his country (from a family with a history or service), or Obama & his radical 60's terrorist has-been friends (who are now just 60's radicals working from the inside), and a pastor that he listened to for 20 YEARS preaching whitey hate ... 20 YEAR is a long time to not really know somebody.

No-brainer.

"Well, what would you call it? Was he planting bombs when Obama met him? Was he a fugitive from justice? No. Was he a respected member of the community, a university professor of education, and an expert on educational issues? Yes.

I'd call that rehabilitated too."

If Daley is associating with an unrepentant terrorist, then Daley is in the wrong. So is UofC. And you know as well as I do that the only reason he's not behind bars today is he got off on a wiretapping technicality. Ayer's quote on being acquitted:

"Guilty as sin, free as a bird, America is a great country."

Have you ever worked for a university? I have. An Ivy League university in fact. It is a different world, a far left world where far left ideology and political correctness rule the day. Just because someone works for a major university does not mean they cannot be an active socialist, communist or unrepentant terrorist. Those attributes will most likely get you ahead in that environment.

If Ayers was rehabilitated why would he say things in the New York Times on 9/11/2001 like:

'''I don't regret setting bombs,' Bill Ayers said. 'I feel we didn't do enough.'''

"So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? 'I don't want to discount the possibility,' he said."

Yeah, that sounds rehabilitated to me.

Maybe that Weathermen tattoo on his neck reminds him every day of his glory years. Maybe he's very much still the same person, just a little more patient.

I'ts kind of funny that when a questionable characteristic of Obama is brought to light by the Republicans... like his lying about his association with Ayers and with Rezko..... their campaign has turned nasty.

BUT...
when Obama's backers accused Palin of actually being the GRANDmother of Trig, and when his storm-searchers trekked to Alaska to find the dirt on a governor has won an 80 percent approval rating from her state..... that's perfectly acceptable.

Keep on slurping the kool-aid guys......

marylou: In regard to your quote, note that Obama was responding to Hillary Clinton's statement that Obama was "representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner-city Chicago". Obama's response accurately addressed the point of him 'representing Rezko'.

As for the 'Obama/Ayers/Auchi' triangle, you're kidding me right? Firstly, I think you meant 'Rezko', not 'Ayers', secondly, that's not so much a triangle as a line, and a pretty fuzzy line at that.

When was it 'proven' that Obama met Auchi, exactly? I think you're referring to two people - out of the 100 people who supposedly were there - claiming the Obamas attended the reception. As far as I'm aware, no actual details or actual proof has emerged regarding that reception. And that appears to be the sum total of any evidence linking Obama to Auchi. Well I'm convinced. Not.

Is your definition of 'proof', 'believing who, and what, you want to believe'?

"Note: college professors don't count as terrorists."

Obviously, you never went to USC.

Ayers was voted CITIZEN OF THE YEAR in Chicago in 1997. People change.

Chicago is a politician's town - how many citizens of the year visit Hugo Chavez and participate on the Miranda International Center - and praise Chavez?

Obama and Ayers shared an agenda as they funded radical groups like ACORN in their grants to these organizations. ACORN is implicated in 15 states for fraud--that's just this year- in years past, they've done their share to elect Democrat officials. Plus taxpayers fund their intimidation tactics (Saul Alinsky) in housing and other social activism. Oh yes, they forced banks to lend to people who couldn't pay for the houses they bought and they called it 'GOOD." Good is not when you force others to do your will - and freddie and fannie are the result of such tactics. Predatory lending was definitely part of it, but so was activist groups like ACORN.

ACORN says they can't guarantee a fraud free election, but they've registered over a million people this year including the Dallas Cowboys team in Nevada. Obama paid them $800,000 to get out the vote- he used the same Saul Alinsky playbook when he was an organizer in Chicago.

Is it guilt by association or guilt by participation?

Ayers and Obama through the Woods Fund and the CAC gave grants to radical groups (like ACORN) over academic groups--that is participation.

Zank: "Why was Obama working with Ayers who believed in that philosophy?
Answer: Because Obama shares similar views."

So... you think Arnold Weber, who was also on the Chicago Annenburg Challenge board of directors with Obama, is also a marxist? Even though he was a member of the Nixon administration, and has donated money to the McCain campaign?

Sheesh!

Jake Tapper: "In an interview with conservative Philadelphia radio talk show host Michael Smerconish today, ...."

"[C]onservative"? "Michael Smerconish"?

Michael Smerconish is NOT a "conservative"!!! FYI: Media darlings David "Gergen" Brooks, David Gergen, Andrew Sullivan, Kevin Phillips and the completely insignificant but repeatedly quoted "Republican" (i.e., non-Republican) Susan Eisenhower are NOT "conservatives". They are not even "Republicans".

Thank you, Jake.

Does Obama go around saying how can he believe in Jesus (or Mohammed)
when both lived 2000 years before he did?

Ayers was bombing when Obama was 8 years old, but that does not mean
that Obama does not believe in the politics and radical left Marxist
agenda that Ayers has been pushing all his life.

And Obama says he condemns the bombings that Ayers does, but does he
condemn the politics that Ayers pushes? To quote Ayers of himself:
"We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were
never in the [Communist] party and never Stalinists. The ethics of
Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early
Marx."
Ayers in his Weather Underground days called for the establishment of a
"white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement"
and other "anti-colonial" movements to achieve "the destruction of US
imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."

Why was Obama working with Ayers who believed in that philosophy?
Answer: Because Obama shares similar views.

- Ayers pushes Marxist views.
- Rev. Wright pushed Marxist views through the black liberation
theology.
- Obama was attracted to these type people and their politics.
In his book Obama says that he went out of his way to have Marxist
professors as his friends and attend socialist conferences while in New
York.
The thing that ties them all together is a belief in Marxism.

Aengil, I stand corrected on the "I never met him" quote. Here's the original Obama quote from the January 21st debate when Hillary brought up Rezko:

"Here's what happened: I was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with this individual to do a project and I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project. That's what she's referring to. Now, it's fine for her to throw that out, but the larger reason that I think this debate is important is because we do have to trust our leaders and what they say. ... And consistency matters. Truthfulness during campaigns makes a difference."

When later asked whether he had minimalized his relationship with Tony Rezko at the debate, Obama responded “Look, I was in a debate in which I’ve got 30 seconds to answer questions…”

As for my original quote, I was apparently getting my wires crossed with Nadhmi Auchi, part of the Obama/Ayers/Auchi triangle. And Obama didn't say of Auchi, "I never met him" but "I have no recollection of having met him." That lawyer-speak helped when it was proven that Obama attended a party thrown by Rezko in honor of Auchi.

" Obama is toooo involved with the terrorists in this world."

Oh really? OK, name five terrorists Obama is personally involved with.

Note: college professors don't count as terrorists.

you should be scared! I'm not buying his excuses for ALL his crazy associations. I'm a Dem, voting McCain. Obama is toooo involved with the terrorists in this world.

People do need to bear in mind that Ayers is a professor, and was also appointed to the boards of these charities. Doesn't that imply that people besides Obama considered him to be rehabilitated? Doesn't it prove that there were plenty of people who considered Ayers worth having around? This is nothing but a FUD tactic by McCain - Fear Uncertainty Doubt.

What exactly make Smerconish "conservative"? His wife is a major fund-raiser for Obama.

marylou: Google says 'Your search - obama rezko "I never even met him" - did not match any documents.' Misquoting are we?

As for Rev. Wright, have you actually bothered to see what his sermons were typically like? He's published books of them you know. But of course you haven't, you based your opinion on the few snippets you heard and assumed all his sermons were like that.

If you had bothered though, you'd have found out that actually, they're not typically incendiary at all.

As for the rhetoric at the McCain/Palin rallies:

It seems these things have been said within earshot of the media. The "sit down" comment was made TO a media cameraman.

It seems whoever made these comments wanted to be noticed by the media. Leading me to conclude there's a waaaaay better than average chance that they're Obama plants.

Why would the Obama campaign do this? In order to silence McCain/Palin's bringing up Ayers at their rallies.

Obama on Ayers: "He's just a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

Obama on Rezko: "He's someone I did 5 hours of legal work for through my law firm. I never even met him."

Obama on Rev. Wright: "That's not the man I knew. I never heard anything incendiary from the pulpit."

How can anyone trust a word Obama says?

Give me a break. Obama comes up with every excuse for his crazy associations and people buy it. Rezko was a "boneheaded" mistake. He never heard Wright say bad things about American ....oh, no! Now, he thought Ayers was "rehabilitated." This man is a pathological liar. Can anyone think of a presidential election where the American people didn't want to know about the character of their president? This is no different, and the relationship between Obama and Ayers goes to the heart of the character issue. In any other election if a candidate knew someone like Ayers is would be disqualifying. Why not now?

"The NY Times stated that McCain was kept on the Keating 5 so that the scandal would not appear to be wholly a Democratic one, which it was."

Oh please. So McCain went along with that... why?

ml: "Assumed he was rehabilitated."

Well, what would you call it? Was he planting bombs when Obama met him? Was he a fugitive from justice? No. Was he a respected member of the community, a university professor of education, and an expert on educational issues? Yes.

I'd call that rehabilitated too.

1950democrat: Stanley Kurtz is a sad hack. He pushed these stories before he had access to the records, then when he got access, he didn't find anything so had to rely on innuendo.

As for your link, there's nothing there. They've taken two snippets from one legal case, misinterpreted them, left a couple of glaring holes in their argument, and hoped no-one notices. For example, part of the statistics they dismiss refer to upper-income applicants, not 'poor people'. They also left out all information relating to the applications having 'similar financial characteristics and credit histories'. We're not talking about refusing credit applications on the basis of property values here.

The worst part of it is the implicit argument that a legal case requiring Citibank to not discriminate racially was a factor in the crisis, which essentially amounts to, 'the subprime crisis is the fault of those do-gooders forcing innocent banks to give dodgy loans to those no-good african-americans'. It's simply untrue.

Assumed he was rehabilitated. OK..right on, think we believe that lie? He makes it up as he goes along. PATHETIC.
Obama paid ACORN $800,000. to register new voters.
There is going to be a huge problem with the vote this year.. Obama needs to be investigated, he is sneaky and engaging in unlawful practices in order to win the Presidency.
Please report this story ABC.,

Nancy....Nevelle Chamberlain signed a Peace Accord with Aldoph Hitler right before Hitler started bombing England. Nevelle came home and told his people, "There will be Peace in our time!" Hitler was also Time Mags "Man of the Yerr" also. BFD!!

Why oh why wont the media do their job that they get paid for? The lies keep coming but the media ain't counting!! Brotha HObama thought Akers had seen the errors of his ways?Rehab for Akers? This is the same as saying you had nothing to do with ACORN yet you have your fingerprints on their coffers dude! You helped indoctrinate the Bozos' in the Ways and Means of Voter purge and Bank bullying!Its my guess that you and your so called good intentions are the reason Fannie and Freddie took a hit making Welfare loans to non working Americans. HObama fiddled while America burned!!

Ayers was voted CITIZEN OF THE YEAR in Chicago in 1997. People change. Bet you all think Johnny Cash is just swell. Put it to rest already. If the University of Illinois and the parents of students attending there have no problem with him being a professor of education, why would you? Something to hide your racism behind? As for Wright....what about PALIN having to go to a WITCH DOCTOR to have the DEMONS removed from her? He didn't do such a good job, did he?

I hope the media will follow Stanley Kurtz in finding what Obama's other radical friends were doing that CAUSED the sub-prime crisis: bullying banks into making such loans.

See
"How a Young Chicago Litigator Helped Create the Subprime Housing Crisis"

And

"O’S DANGEROUS PALS" By STANLEY KURTZ

Obama assumed Ayers had been rehabilitated. yea right! If you believe that one I have a bridge for sale.

105% of voters are registered in Indianapolis and 112% of voters are registered in Virginia.

That ACORN is really doing a bang-up job.

Wonder where they learned all this stuff?

The NY Times stated that McCain was kept on the Keating 5 so that the scandal would not appear to be wholly a Democratic one, which it was.

Proof Obama is linked to ACORN?

Where does one go to school to get a degree in "Entrepreneur"?

Obama has been funding ACORN for a long time. He was their lawyer and their head trainer for a time. It may well be that they learned their practice of fraudulent voter registration from Obama.

STages of denial here. First Rezko was someone Obama had done maybe 5 hours legal work for. Then someone who had helped with a house purchase. On and on, as more connections were proved, finally Obama had to admit each one.

Here it is again with Ayers.

And with ACORN. Beginning with admitting only some slight connection. But more and more connections are turning up. Iirc Stanley Kurtz found some good ones.

Obama thought Ayers was rehabilitated? Really? Obama then needs to argue that he doesn't read the newspapers, and didn't see the Chicago Sun Times article on Ayers in August of 2001 with a picture of Ayers stomping on a US flag or the NY Times article "No regrets" published on 9-11-2001.

And let's remember how long Obama denied hearing any of Jeremiah Wright's hatred before admitting that he lied.

Obama said that knowing Ayers was a reason to elect Obama to the US Senate.

Didn't know Ayers?

Obama has a real problem with the truth.

staniam

Acorn could not have started the credit crisis. I have three degrees, economics, finance, and entrepreneur. I graduated top of my class and I still have all my finance books. Moral Hazard was understand for years. Think about what you saying. Bad loans to poor caused the bank crashes. That doesn't even sound right.

Let me help you with the truth.
That fact that John said that Freddie Mac was the match that started the financail crisis, shows his great ignorance to basic financial understanding. The real start of the financial crisis was from deregulation that actually started under democrats with Bill Clinton under the interstate regulations of 1994 and the gramm lynch act of 1999. Those two acts alone increased risk for banking instititions because these acts allowed banks to be able to do business accross states and to get into risky financial vehicles like insurance, mortgage loans, and securities. Banks became to Big Too Fail and had the moral hazard of being backed by the FDIC. The republicans screamed for less government and free market enterprise with no oversight. Therefore banks jumped into mortgagees and subprimes with no oversight, which lead to failures and therefore the credit crisis we face.

If are a democrat. You are acting like a republican politian. Accusing and lieing on someone and spreading fear. The fear and smear campaign of staniam.

we dont know he gave the order but we do know he gave Ayers the money for ACORN and his campaign gave money to acorn

(these were your words) ( I appreciate your truthfulness)

Now you say we don't know if he gave the order, but all day you accused Obama and link him to Acorn without fact. Your entire case is based on a false conclusion form questainable information. Your conclusion is that Obama is in trouble because of Ayera and Because of Acorn, but you are also saying that it is proof of link in which Obama gave the order.

What if you were done like that?

marc10

and you better pray that ACORN didnt cause the fraud with Obama money which is way more than 1000 votes in 11 states thats just the tip of th iceburg..these are bad people who are doing nothing of the sort as far as helping out low income people its afront organization

marc10

I read an article that said ACORN is responsible in some way for the credit crisis by forcing lenders to give lower rate loans to homebuyers