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Obama on ACORN Controversy: "A Distraction... We Don't Need ACORN's Help"
October 14, 2008 3:35 PM
On Tuesday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., made a statement about the latest economic developments and took questions from the reporters outside his hotel, the Maumee Bay Resort and Conference Center in Oregon, OH, not far from Toledo.
"Obviously the Treasury Department announced some refinements to the rescue package," Obama said. "I think the idea of injecting capital directly into banks is a good one, it gives taxpayers a better chance of getting their money out potentially, it also gives the Treasury some more direct mechanisms to monitor and apply some ground rules to participating banks.
"I am concerned that the way that they structure this new mechanism that we are cracking down on excessive CEO pay," said the Democratic presidential nominee, "that, I think, should be part of the deal. And I’m also concerned that taxpayer shares – that they are purchasing or they are receiving as consequence of this injection of equity is a good deal for tax payers. I think that if tax payers are investing in Goldman Sachs, they shouldn't get a worse deal than when Warren Buffet invests in Goldman Sachs.
"I know there has also been some talk about providing guarantees to bank loans, to encourage the credit market from moving forward," said Obama. "Again, I think this could potentially be promising as a way of freeing up credit so that small business and individuals around the country can get car loans can get business loans for payroll and so forth. But it is very important that there are some regulatory requirements ultimately that go with these injections of cash. If we're just giving them money but we're not making sure that they are curbing some of the excessive risks that got us into the mess in the first place, then we are just continuing the same philosophy that has failed the American people so badly.
"So I'm going to look at details of the plan, I have had already a discussion with Secretary (Hank) Paulson about it before he announced it," concluded the lanky Illinoisan. "I want to see on paper how they are putting this thing together. And I continue to emphasize that this is just one phase of a rescue package that's needed because we still need a rescue package for the middle class. And the proposals I’ve put forward to create jobs, to make sure that families are able to ride though these difficult times, to help homeowners those are all issues that await action by congress and if we don't get it don't in the lame duck session then they’re going to be some of my top priorities when I am president."
Obama then took questions from the media.
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ABC News noted that "Senator McCain today said that 'there has been voter fraud going on in the battleground states. ACORN is tampering with Americans' most precious right; there has to be a full and complete investigation.' And he also said that you need to disclose your full relationship with ACORN. I'm wondering if you have any reaction to the reports of voter fraud and also to Sen. McCain's charge?"
Obama replied: "first of all, my relationship to ACORN is pretty straightforward. It's probably 13 years ago when I was still practicing law, I represented ACORN and my partner in that representation was the US Justice Department in having Illinois implement what was called the 'Motor Voter' law, to make sure that people could go to DMV’s and drivers’ license facilities to get registered.. It wasn’t being implemented. That was my relationship and is my relationship to ACORN.
"There is an ACORN organization in Chicago," Obama continued. "They have been active. As an elected official, I've had interactions with them. But they are not advising our campaign. We've got the best voter registration and turnout and volunteer operation in politics right now and we don’t need ACORN’s help.
“My understanding in terms of the voter fraud, because having run a voter registration drive, I know how problems arise, this is typically a situation where ACORN probably paid people to get registrations and these folks, not wanting to actually register people because that's actually hard work, just went into a phone book or made up names and submitted false registrations to get paid," Obama said. "So there's been fraud perpetrated probably on ACORN if they paid these individuals and they actually didn’t do registrations.”
"But this isn't a situation where there's actually people who are going to try to vote 'cause these are phony names," Obama said. "And, it's doubtful (Dallas Cowboys quarterback) Tony Romo (whose name has been fraudulently submitted) is gonna show up in Ohio to vote. So this is another one of these distractions that gets stirred up in the course of a campaign.
"But what I want to make sure of, is that this is not used as an excuse for the kind of voter suppression strategies and tactics that we've seen in the past. Let’s just make sure everybody is voting, everybody’s registered. Let's make sure that everybody’s doing it in a lawful way."
Another reporter asked Obama's reactions to the economic policy proposals put forward by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., today, in particular his proposal to significantly reduce long-term capital gains taxes so as to spur investment.
"Well you know I haven't reviewed all the details yet," Obama said. “You know, there are some ideas that Sen. McCain has put forward in the last couple of weeks that are very bad ideas. The idea of, for example, of purchasing homes at full prices from banks so that banks have no losses and taxpayers automatically have losses, that’s a bad idea and I think its been panned by democrats and republicans.
"He's had some good ideas," Obama continued. "I think the idea of making sure that people aren't forced to sell their 401(k) or IRA accounts at the age of 70 when the market is in the tank, I think that makes sense and in fact I acknowledged that in my speech yesterday.
"I haven't looked at all the details of his capital gains proposal. I will tell you that nobody one really has capital gains right now – so if the idea is the cut capital gains taxes, when I don’t know anybody, even the smartest investors who right now are going to be experiencing a lot of capital gains. That probably is not going to be particularly useful in solving the financial crisis. But I will review the plan and I’m sure that Sen. McCain will have more to say about it tomorrow."
-- Jake Tapper, Andy Fies and Sunlen Miller
October 14, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (275)
Instead of spending your time bickering between each other maybe do a little research about the claims made and find your own truth instead of what is fed to you by the media, and the candidates. I will say that McCain has said numerous times to check their records. Obama has never said to check his.
Posted by: American | Oct 19, 2008 6:15:53 PM
Isn't it funny?
The economy is in ruins, two (possibly more) wars are being waged at tremendous cost, the health care system and the education need reveiwing, and the climate isn't getter better either.
And what do the Republicans decide should be the major issues in the presidential elections? Whether or not Obama has something to do with what could possibly be fraud by an association he has some ties with. And something about a rehabilitated university professor with whom he shared the board of an anti-poverty group and whose previous-life misdeeds he has clearly denounced.
And then they wonder why the polls go the way they go.
Posted by: Marvol | Oct 15, 2008 12:32:03 PM
It isn't just that the Obama campaign paid ACORN $843,000 for voter registration, it is that the originally listed to the FEC that the money was for lighting, sound, staging. When caught, the said they would ammend the FEC report.
Posted by: Backgammon | Oct 15, 2008 8:55:46 AM
What about the $800,000 his campaign gave to ACORN?
Posted by: susie | Oct 15, 2008 8:29:51 AM
Obama is assuring voters now that he doesn't need ACORN's help - but told them and other Community Organizations in December 2007 that once elected he would travel the country between then and Innauguration Day, meeting with COs and being sure that they have input to help shape his White House agenda.
Posted by: marylou | Oct 15, 2008 8:12:12 AM
"I will tell you that nobody one really has capital gains right now – so if the idea is the cut capital gains taxes, when I don’t know anybody, even the smartest investors who right now are going to be experiencing a lot of capital gains. That probably is not going to be particularly useful in solving the financial crisis"
Rather telling on how little Obama understands about Business... Somebody stop this man, he's a fool that doesn't understand basic economics!!!
Posted by: josparke | Oct 15, 2008 8:09:12 AM
There's a lot of low-resolution thinking going on here. "ACORN has been defrauded" isn't the same as "ACORN has committed fraud." If you can't see the difference, I suggest you deregister yourself because you obviously have no capacity for rational thought.
Of however many invalid registrations were paid for by ACORN, how many were submitted without flagging by ACORN? (Please note, ACORN did not have the option of throwing away registrations they thought were questionable, because the forms are numbered and must be accounted for.)
Of that small number, how many went undetected by the Registrar of Voters? Of those, how many are the least bit likely to result in actual invalid votes being cast? Because that would require someone to know about the false reg. and show up on election day.
What kind of vast zombie army do you think Obama has under his nefarious telepathic command? Isn't this something out of some late-late-night sci fi flick? What kind of no-lobes think this actually happens in reality?
Posted by: Fingal | Oct 15, 2008 8:05:52 AM
Concerned in OH: "NY Post is reporting that some ACORN "voter" tried to vote in OH."
No they're not. From the article:
"... he breezed into Ohio election offices - the state allows early voting for president - reregistered with a fake address and cast a paper ballot, officials said."
That vote is nothing to do with ACORN. That's just some idiot, who reregistered not with ACORN, but in the election office, as the article says.
Posted by: Aengil | Oct 15, 2008 5:07:29 AM
I wish some people can just take some minutes out of there busy schedules to get facts.
Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
The modus operandi of ACORN are:
1. Recruit people for voters registration drives.
2. Set targets for the canvassers, as they are paid according to number of Voters they are able to register.
In order for the Canvassers to maximize their income, they fill the forms with fictitious names and they get paid.
You will see from the simple analysis above that ACORN as an Organization does not engage in Fraud.
But Americans that are engaged by ACORN perpetrates the Fraud on ACORN to get extra pay.
Here ACORN loses. Because it pays these canvassers for Jobs not done.
These fictitious names are not real People resident in such districts and hence, they are not enfranchise since they can not vote.
As an analogy, a real person, Dwight Aaron resident in Dover can not come to Ohio on the day of voting to vote despite having his name on the voters reg. list in Toledo.
Hence, the Candidates need not fear because it is ACORN that loses money to the smart alec for work paid for but not done.
The two Campaigns know this as a fact. Any of the Campign shouting blue-murder is only trying to take undue advantage of the ignorance of the recipients of such information
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Oct 15, 2008 4:56:24 AM
Just like with Fannie, the republicans go after anybody that they perceive helps minorities. ACORN is small potatoes compared to the numerous grass-roots, community activists and plain folk encouraging people to participate in the election. This is so not rocket-science! It's ONE VOTE, not one registration.
Posted by: Common Sense | Oct 15, 2008 4:36:46 AM
There are a lot of things that i dislike about Obama, but I just love his straightforward attitude when he talks to people. He actually answers the question (both parts of it), explains the whole problem in simple terms, doesn't try to change the subject.
I can only imagine McCain's answer if the roles had been reversed. Something like "These accusations are outrageous. Voters know that I have always fought for our country. The Obama campaign is trying to prevent decent American people from choosing their next leader."
Posted by: nadja | Oct 15, 2008 4:04:41 AM
Oh man, you are missing half the story - in states with motor-voter there are TONS of duplicates. And this has been going on since 1993. Think of all the possible duplicate votes... which you think we would know about if these case went anywhere, which they don't.
I'm also thrilled to learn the in some states the registration system is so tight that we actually know if a voter was "registered by ACORN" or not. I mean, I know that registrar's books are numbered and audited, but I didn't realized that we could review who registered someone so dang quickly.
I say we have separate lines at the polls. One of ACORN registered voters, and one for the rest of us.
Posted by: Pup | Oct 15, 2008 1:51:06 AM
Listen, the NAACP and Labor Unions also registered tons of voters for OBAMA. He has contributed money to all these organizations. All together there are about 25 voter registration groups that are in the bag for Democrats.
You people are chasing a wild rabbit with ACORN...
good luck!!
Posted by: Deena Rockefeller | Oct 15, 2008 1:24:44 AM
There are 2 dozen voter registration groups funded by Democrats. ACORN is nothing compared to the others that include the NAACP - which Obama donated to as well.
You people are silly. OBAMA does not need ACORN...
get a life!
Posted by: Deena Rockefeller | Oct 15, 2008 1:17:46 AM
True American: I have a question? What kind of military experience did Bush have?
Posted by: Deena Rockefeller | Oct 15, 2008 1:14:33 AM
the ACORN thiong isnt as simple as the Obama people say and Obama does have issues to be worked out before he can be eldcted
Posted by: stang | Oct 15, 2008 12:30:42 AM
Michelle Geissler--Thanks for the info. It's very scary to think of Obama as prez when he has no military experience and seems to not even like our military considering the lies he's told about them attacking villages.
Also scary is that he seems to have sympathy for the extremist islamic terror groups who have endorsed his presidency.
Posted by: True American | Oct 15, 2008 12:09:04 AM
BJ--I couldn't agree with you more. It's like talking to a bunch of bobble heads.
Posted by: True American | Oct 14, 2008 11:19:28 PM
There were irregularities in registering the voters. The people hired by ACORN committed the irregularities. ACORN reported these irregularities. How is it the fault of ACORN or Obama. And if we are playing guilt by association here are some for you to consider.
1) Todd Palin, Sara Palin's husband was a member of the seccionist group AIP.
2) McCain is pals with the convicted felon Gordon Liddy.
3) McCain has as his advisor one who lobbied for Saddam Hussein.
What do you right wing creatures have to say about this.
Posted by: feminist50 | Oct 14, 2008 11:00:15 PM
This voter registration hue and cry we hear every two years (since the Civil War, anyway) always amount to nothing. It is merely an excuse for the ham-handed attempts at voter intimidation that inevitably follow them. They have a long and sordid history, and it is ultimately about attempting to suppress people's right to vote.
Posted by: Flash Override | Oct 14, 2008 10:52:31 PM
hypocrisy... thy name is McCain
- William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.
During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil.
Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
- Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.
Posted by: Blue | Oct 14, 2008 10:46:23 PM
Obviously OBAMA does not need ACORN. He can perpetrate his OWN FRAUD!
Why are people so naive about Obama? Can you name me any other candidate who has SO MANY questionable and shady associations as Obama does?
Be very very scared of this man.
Posted by: BJ | Oct 14, 2008 10:44:59 PM
The saddest thing to me, is that it's still three weeks until Election Day and this election is ALREADY IN THE COURTS!!
The Sixth Circuit Court late today overturned the Order of its lower Court, and now the Democratic Secretary of State in Ohio, DOES have to verify EACH new absentee ballot voter name and address before they are allowed to be counted.
This election is already in the Courts, and I have a feeling this is just the beginning of the litigation.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 14, 2008 10:41:45 PM
Maybe if the Republicans hadn't spent all their money defending their felonious phone jamming schemes they might have come out better in this election.
Posted by: Flash Override | Oct 14, 2008 10:40:59 PM
Flash drive, I encourage poor people to vote. Wish more of them voted in their own self-interest, but different strokes... I have a problem with people who use poor people's right to vote as an excuse to try to undermine the integrity of the voting system by voter registration fraud and voter fraud. I have seen how much grief Georgia is getting for having the audacity to say that every voter must show identification to vote-- how controversial could that possibly be, right? But I'm continually told by Democrats that this is an unfair burden that falls disproportionately on the poor and people of color, which I find incredibly patronizing. And Georgia even gives out free id cards for those who do not have drivers license or other approved photo id. Even so, the law is being fought in the courts. Go figure.
Posted by: moderate | Oct 14, 2008 10:23:52 PM
That's not the Rev. Wright I knew...
That's not the Michael Pfleger I knew...
That's not the Bill Ayers I knew...
That's not the Tony Rezko I knew...
That's not the ACORN I knew...
What next?
That's not the Certification of Live Birth I knew...
Another note, once again it's about ME, ME, ME...he NEVER mentioned how our tax dollars are being wasted sifting through this ACORN mess.
Posted by: ugh | Oct 14, 2008 10:21:42 PM
A distraction, says Obama. Crack me up. That's always his first response when something he does not want to have to explain to the American public comes up-- like Rev. Wright, William Ayers, flag pins that reappear on his lapel in time for the general campaign, his home purchase details, the list goes on and on. What a lot of distractions. Ever notice that his "distraction" statement is his own attempt at distracting us from asking about these things? He is a jujitsu master, it seems.
Posted by: moderate | Oct 14, 2008 10:18:29 PM
Let's see:
Trooper Gate (abuse of power)
AIP
No experience
No College Transcript
CAN WE TRUST PALIN???
Posted by: Lucky Lucy | Oct 14, 2008 9:57:30 PM
Obama’s blind ambition and results of his leadership guidance. Remember, Senator Barack Obama has problems with speaking the truth.
America has become a nation where major corporations have to train its employee’s basic human aspects like respect and ethics. Most Americans know that Hollywood and liberals are responsible for taking away decency and replaces morality with immoral or vulgar antics. But at fault are the few selfish politicians like Senator Barack Obama whose ego and blind ambition is allowed to grow with no accountability from the media or political peers. Especially when the media gives such ambitious individuals an endless amount of free press.
For example, today Rev. Jesse Jackson suggested that Sen. Obama would not put Israeli interest first (CNN, 15 Oct 08). Yet Fox News today reported (i.e., showed tapes interviews) that Sen. Obama has hired Jewish college students and pays them $12 an hour to go to Florida and other critical states trying to change their grandparents and other senior citizens minds to vote for Obama. But this is nothing for a politician that became ACORN’s their primary trainer and was credited converting traditional education systems to social cultures. It was ACORN that is credited with the recent subprime mortgage practices that caused a $700 billion bailout that would have benefited ACORN with $140 billion had Senator John McCain not returned to Washington thanks to Sen. Obama and his fellow Democrats.
This week Americans learned that Sen. Obama hired ACORN for $800,000 to help him with his election and not to help register minorities. In recent times, ACORN has used fake names, dead voters, voters that are in prison and ACORN employees that are convicted convicts, imaginary people including “Fruto Boy Crispila”, and countless other cases with duplicate voter registrations. ACORN added to the two individuals convicted last year with voter registration fraud and added additional employees that are being investigated in 12 states with voter registration fraud. The Nevada and Carolina raids found that ACORN falsely registered the entire Dallas Cowboys football team although they are not Nevada residents. ACORNs illegal activities have shown up in Missouri, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and other states with the list growing. In Indianapolis alone, the voter fraud benefited Barack Obama when a hundred and five percent of the population was registered by ACORN.
Posted by: Dr Rene | Oct 14, 2008 9:31:07 PM
Hey flash drive, it's not that Republicans don't want poor people to vote... We just don't want dead people and cartoon characters to "vote".... Coincidentally, that is EXACTLY one of the MANY charges against Acorn members, et al...
Posted by: delaware Vol | Oct 14, 2008 9:18:57 PM
"Let's get this straight." ... this is 0bama's fifth or sixth variation on his relationship with ACORN, it sounds the best, so lets act like it's the facts!
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 14, 2008 8:57:16 PM
Ayers.
Trinity United.
ACORN.
Obama is "guilty by participation" in all cases.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: OxyCon | Oct 14, 2008 8:42:57 PM
Why do Republicans have such a hard time with poor people voting?
Posted by: Flash Override | Oct 14, 2008 8:40:46 PM
Let's get this straight. ACORN does not work for Obama. They are a non-profit agency that pays workers to get people registered and they have had some workers just take names out of phonebooks, etc. to get money. Registration fraud does not mean voter fraud. Mickey Mouse is not coming to the polls to vote. They just tricked ACORN out of some money.
Here is what Obama has said.
"My relationship to ACORN is pretty straightforward. It's probably 13 years ago when I was still practicing law, I represented ACORN and my partner in that representation was the U.S. Justice Department in having Illinois implement what was called the "motor voter" law, to make sure that people could go to DMVs and driver's license facilities to get registered. It wasn't being implemented. That was my relationship, and is my relationship to ACORN. THEY ARE NOT ADVISING OUR CAMPAIGN," Obama has said. "We've got the best voter registration and turnout and volunteer operation in politics right now and we don't need ACORN's help."
"This isn't a situation where there's actually people who are going to try to vote because these are phony names. ..Let's just make sure everybody is voting, everybody's registered. Let's make sure that everybody's doing it in a lawful way."
Posted by: jefflz | Oct 14, 2008 8:27:11 PM
I lived in Alaska for 25 years and the Alaska Indedpendence Party has been around a very long time. It was formed after statehood because some residents were ticked off because less than 1% of Alaska land was directed to be owned by individuals. The land there was and is owned by the federal, state, and boroughs, the military and native tribes. I even attended a meeting or two and did not find them very controvorsial or have much power. There were business, political and individuals there during an election period. Most people wanted the USA government to recognize Alaska's need for more money for roads, schools, etc.
The US government in Washington gets 4 times as many dollars from sales of resources from Alaska land as is sent back to support Alaska except for the military. In other words, Alaskans are getting shortchanged since statehood. Those blasting the AIP knows little or nothing but is trying to black list the Palins. My kids at the Anchorage schools did not have enough text book--several kids had to share the same books during the 1970s. Federal dollars sent to military kids schools was being sent to rural area schools. I was a school room volunteer for two years.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 14, 2008 8:25:34 PM
Well said, Wade
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 8:22:50 PM
Obama's connections to these organizations and individuals don't show any blatant corruption or intent to subvert the voting process, etc. I believe Obama is sincere in wanting a lawful voting process.
However, I think his lack of judgment shows through. Just throw "organizing" somewhere in the title and Obama will grant an audience...he thinks they are fighting the good fight even if its not so.
Examples:
1. Ayers: "I presumed he was rehabilitated..."
2. Wright "that's not the Wright I know..?"
3. ACORN...its not their fault...
He gives left-wingers a huge benefit of the doubt...comes back to bite him every time. He may indeed win (cross fingers, no)...please keep groups like ACORN away from the tax $ please.
If he wins, it will be our job to criticize him with all these "distractions."
Posted by: Wade | Oct 14, 2008 8:10:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans turned in these false registrations to set up ACORN.
All McCain has left is a fake charge of vote fraud. It won't work!
Posted by: McHooverville | Oct 14, 2008 8:03:05 PM
As an "undecided Republican," I've done the research into ACORN and Obama is right. ACORN will not get him one single extra vote, and in fact it will probably cost him a few (in terms of the uninformed who believe the latest McCain attack line). It's Obama's own ground game that will make or break the election for him.
Posted by: faithnabove | Oct 14, 2008 8:00:35 PM
@Frieda
Its the politically correct way to say lies.
@liberati
The Ayers myth was put to rest numerous times, by a number of publications. When talking about "corrupt and dangerous associations" I never see you people bring up Keating, ot Libby, or the Council of World Freedom.
His birth certificate has been produced, examined by two (two!) non-partisan groups and proven real. You never bitch about seeing McCain's even though he was born out of country.
He represented ACORN, and may have contributed to them. So did John McCain.
Has Obama made mistakes? I hope so, he's human. FISA was a mistake, and in hindsight I'm sure he regrets being on an education board, funded by republican friends of Ronald Reagan, with a stupid hippy radical.
Posted by: Xero | Oct 14, 2008 7:53:49 PM
NY Post is reporting that some ACORN "voter" tried to vote in OH.
"He came in on 9/30 and Mr. Nash again registered to vote at [someone else's] address, and he cast a ballot," said board official Jane Platten."
So, yes, 0bama, you're ACORN pals are committing fraud and are trying to illegally vote. On your behalf, of course, and with your sanction.
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 14, 2008 7:51:23 PM
So, do I have this straight? Some employees of ACORN submitted some fraudulent registrations. ACORN flags them when they catch them and the rest are caught by the system for reviewing registrations, which involves using state and federal databases. ACORN cooperates with authorities on prosecuting those that submitted the forms.
And. . . Wingnuts think that a Mickey Mouse impostor is going to swing the election.
What if Gore or Kerry had validated the paranoid conspiracy theories of the far left the way that McCain is validating the paranoid conspiracy theories of the far right? How would that have been received by the media? Not well, yet the McCain Stream Media does necon John's bidding on this non-story just because FAUX has decided to run it 24/7. Charming. Get off the tire swing and back to reporting on the issues.
Posted by: Jeremy | Oct 14, 2008 7:50:21 PM
Those things will not affcet the outcome
Landslide for Obama
Posted by: LAThinker | Oct 14, 2008 7:45:34 PM
well it looks like they removed the racist post. thanks abc
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 7:40:19 PM
Aside from Fraud: When you crowd the whole system with these bogus names it certainly clogs up the system. It also makes it VERY DIFFICULT in the case of absentee ballots, where voter I.D’s are not provided for, to make sure that the people are who they claim to be.
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 7:28:49 PM
Obama does not need ACORN...
one day people will understand that --- lol
Posted by: Deena Rockefeller | Oct 14, 2008 7:28:31 PM
The Republican ticket was doomed from the moment Sarah Palin set her moose footed, lip stick wearing tail in the picture.
Posted by: Jersey Joe | Oct 14, 2008 7:26:59 PM
msa123:
Heh, good one.
Posted by: Wade | Oct 14, 2008 7:22:40 PM
So Rocketsgobang,
Are democrats at all at fault for anything or no? Obama ever do anything wrong, out of all the things about him out there?
Biden? Please say Biden didn't ever do anything wrong.
The difference is, I am an independent voter and recognize McCain's flaws (big ones, too, I know)...Palin clearly acted like a fool on Couric...McCain blew some opportunities last debate and wandered around a bit...
However, Obama's halo is going to wear very thin over the next year or so if he is elected (and I recognize that he may be) and actually has to do something (see his work on the Annenberg challenge for the results of his efforts)...
Can you see any flaws or are the times too serious to do so?
Posted by: Wade | Oct 14, 2008 7:21:24 PM
Oh you poor Obama trolls. It's simply a riot watching you throw out the buzz word of the day "erratic" being the latest, and you don't even know what it really means. It's a little peculiar too. I mean, why are the Dem surrogates so hell bent on this Palin troopergate thing?
Because they know within their own guts, that not only will Obama lose, but the Dems stand to lose big time around the country in Senate and House races.
So they are already with their excuses, which do not include anything real like Obama being a complete joke, or crusty Biden not having any message discipline, or that he changes his gaffes every 24 hours.
No, they seek to blame wealthy elite voters, just like they tried to blame wealthy elite people as the reason the housing bubble burst. Have they NO sense of shame at all? to the Dem operatives, lying through your teeth is just another day at the office, hoping their audience is dumb enough to believe it which most of them will.
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 7:18:51 PM
Oh you poor McCain trolls. It's simply a riot watching you throw out the buzz word of the day, and you don't even know what it really means. It's a little peculiar too. I mean, why are the GOP surrogates so hell bent on this Acorn/vote fraud thing?
Because they know within their own guts, that not only will McCain lose, but the GOP stands to lose big time around the country in Senate and House races.
So they are already with their excuses, which do not include anything real like Palin being a complete joke, or crusty McCain not having any message discipline, or that he changes his ideas every 24 hours.
No, they seek to blame poor nonwhite voters, just like they tried to blame poor non white people as the reason the housing bubble burst. Have they NO sense of shame at all? to the GOP operatives, lying through your teeth is just another day at the office, hoping their audience is dumb enough to believe it which most of them will.
Posted by: Rockets go BANG | Oct 14, 2008 7:10:09 PM
MarkC - It's too bad that Obama says one thing... All of his words just flowing together and it all sounds wonderful and good... but then those darn background checks. They'll getcha every time.
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 7:08:42 PM
Yeah, people Aengil has a point... do you have no sense of shame asking questions about a candidate that has paid 832k to ACORN, which is now accused of voter registration fraud in at least 5 states?? Fraud is fraud and I sure hope they knew the rules going in. Do you have no shame wondering why a candidate consistently denies associations with ex-cons, slumlords, American terrorists, and radical ministers? You should be ashamed of yourselves for these drive-by statements! After all, none of it could possibly be true because only the bad stuff you read about McCain is true!! lol
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 6:59:01 PM
Thanks unpoliticallycorrect2008
Also, all, I wonder if Obama knows that lawyers call words like "clear"..."conclusory"
That means when you say something is "clear" you are really saying you don't have a reasoning for it and are just trying to trump up your position.
I can't WAIT to hear Obama saying how everything is "perfectly clear" when he says soemething and everyone else just doesn't get it.
Also, I hate fake deep voices...I know a ton of people who do it on purpose. I am starting to think Obama is a deepener...all it takes is a little relaxation of the vocal chords...voila, instant "authoritative" voice...
Too bad a lot of people fall for it.
Posted by: Wade | Oct 14, 2008 6:53:42 PM
Besides this whole ACORN line is just the republicans creating a scenario wherein they can freely suppress the vote.
Not going to happen this year, folks, so take your medicine and have a seat. We'll have the country up and running again in no time. Then after that, subpoenas.
Posted by: I'll vote for "That one!" | Oct 14, 2008 6:50:02 PM
Imagine that, Barack Obama took unscreened, unscripted questions from the free press today.
I ask, once again, when will Sarah Palin going to do this?
Posted by: Pacific moderate | Oct 14, 2008 6:48:04 PM
Forget Ayers and Acorn --- McCain and Palin are big time liars. The American public sees it and that's why they are behind in the polls.
Posted by: Jersey Joe | Oct 14, 2008 6:46:07 PM
@glenda:
Why is Obama ahead because the number of comments here are against him? Are you serious? Barak Obama speaks very eloquently for himself, but no matter how honest and forthright he is, no matter how many articles are written, or investigative journalists prove the lies are lies, you won't believe.
Glenda, if you really want to hear the truth about Obama, you seriously need to stop watching Faux News. They are LYING TO YOU!
Posted by: I'll vote for "That one!" | Oct 14, 2008 6:45:30 PM
Light-headed Joe - I see how you got your name.
Palin and McCain are involved in much bigger scandals "already" and they will never be in office.... teeeheee
Posted by: Lucky Lucy | Oct 14, 2008 6:43:38 PM
What is with these comments? Do people have no sense of shame attaching these puerile, drive-by statements to a story about a balanced and considered press conference by Barack Obama. Obama explains the tenuousness of his ACORN connection, and credits McCain for his good ideas while criticizing the bad ones. He's cogent, coherent, and even generous.
I mean, if there was ever an illustration of the principle that elevating the discourse doesn't happen overnight, THIS COMMENT BOARD IS IT!
Posted by: MarkC | Oct 14, 2008 6:35:48 PM
Brenda: "POLLS are generated based on voter registration."
No, they're not. I'm curious. Did you:
a) Research how the polls are actually done, but somehow reach an incorrect conclusion
b) Read that on some blog somewhere and assume it's true because you wanted it to be true
c) Make it up yourself
And Glenda: you can't count.
Posted by: Aengil | Oct 14, 2008 6:33:45 PM
I have a question. Why did Obama give ACORN $832,000 if he doesn't need their help?
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 14, 2008 6:29:52 PM
Obama is not even in office and he is involved in scandal.
The mood among democrats is to beat the daylights out of anyone who disagrees.
Obama is well on his way to setting up the facist regime his buddy Ayers has dreamed of.
Posted by: light headed Joe | Oct 14, 2008 6:26:26 PM
Jake-look at the comments/ I've read through about 60 so far and it stands 58-2 against Obama. Now, that I've said that-I know it's not scientific, but I simply don't know where Obama's lead in the polls is coming from. Do they call people only in NYC or DC? I know of no one who is voting for Obama-there are no yard signs or posters anywhere, but he is running commercials locally. I live in the reddest state of Texas, folks-if Obama wastes his money here, he won't be on the middle class's side if in office which is a non sequitor because the only way he would win Texas would be by voter fraud. Again, most of our Acorns fall off trees-aw...NUTS!
Posted by: glenda | Oct 14, 2008 6:21:05 PM
Famous Community Organizers ...... Saul Alinsky (socialist, invented modern community organizing) ..... Frank Marshall Davis (member of Communist Party USA, Stalinist, mentor to Barack Obama during Obama's teen years) ... wild Bill Ayers (communist, terrorist, propagandist, sexual deviate, close friend of Barack Obama) ... Reverend Al (fat leftist idiot) ... Barack Obama (socialist, voter fraud expert, former coke head) ... What a cast of characters!!!!!
Posted by: Renny | Oct 14, 2008 6:18:30 PM
The lunatic fringe has even tried to blame Acorn for the world economic meltdown. As a distraction, Acorn ranks right up there with Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, William Ayers, and lipstick on pigs.
I hope that the right is as concerned with ensuring that all registered voters get to vote and that all votes get counted as they are with bad registrations that will never result in any actual votes.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | Oct 14, 2008 6:15:31 PM
The real question is when Obama wins the election, as with each passing day this seems more certain, how will he go about bringing in at least some of that 40+ percent of those who will vote for McCain, many of whom have been persuaded of the worst about him. Certainly, he will be better for them than they expect, and far better for them than McCain would be for Obama voters who clearly will make up the majority of voting Americans. However, as even he points out, we are in deep soup, and it will take a commitment on a large part of our citizenry to move forward in the upcoming years. If all that remains is a completely resistant hate machine on the right, it will be hard to get much done.
Posted by: CitizenE | Oct 14, 2008 6:13:55 PM
funny how some people will think that Obama would be so stupid as to do something that their tiny little intellects could comprehend. i'm tempted to say what's good for the goose (GWB, JR) is just as good for the gander (Obama).
i too, at one time had a ton of respect for John McCain. even as a democrat, in his first two campaigns. HOWEVER, in securing the republican nomination he's had to make compromises and concessions in order to keep a strong and unified political base. only business as usual. i sure that Obama will have to do the same." POLITICS MAKE FOR STRANGE BEDFELLOWS." (B. FRANKLIN).
voter fraud is a touchy issue especially for the disenfranchised and disillusioned. i want to believe in the fundamental creed of this nation. THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE ONE THAT "I" BELIEVE IS BEST SUITED TO GUIDE THIS ONCE PROUD NATION BACK TO IT'S ORIGINAL MANDATE.
but when i see a proud and honorable man such as John McCain make deals with those he fought against in the past (SPECIAL INTERESTS; LOBBYISTS; THE OLD BOY NETWORK;) and reduce his campaign to cheap theatrics (C'MON SARAH PALIN?!?); mud-slinging (AYERS WAS A TENURED FACULTY MEMBER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO WHEN OBAMA WORKED WITH HIM ON COMMUNITY BASED PROJECTS DESIGNED TO ASSIST THOSE IN NEED; IE: POOR PEOPLE.).
while i can agree that full disclosure by BOTH candidates (WELL, ALL CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICE) is important what just as important is to NOT use KARL ROVE-IAN tactics in order to win an election. and YES, this goes for Obama, as well. but unfortunately this POLLYANNA, THE GLASS IS HALF FULL, LOOKING AT THE WORLD THROUGH ROSE COLORED GLASSES, view will be most likely ridiculed by those that read this posting. SHAME ON US ALL FOR THAT...
Posted by: nolan | Oct 14, 2008 6:08:01 PM
Obama is very, very guileful.
Posted by: Sandra | Oct 14, 2008 6:06:21 PM
I guess ACORN is also answering the pollster calls...right? ACORN is why McCain is kicking McCain's.... The Repub Party does this every four years. They point to REGISTRATION froud and shamelessly call it VOTER fraud. Not gonna work. They had better start paying attention to issue that people care about...or are they already prepared to concede now? If so, just do it and get it over with.
Posted by: Rick | Oct 14, 2008 6:05:22 PM
It's all smoke and mirrors...
Obama is innocent. ACORN registers voters, it doesn't buy their vote.
You people are desperatate as hell and its not working....lol
Posted by: Deena Rockefeller | Oct 14, 2008 6:03:35 PM
Just words..... Just speeches.... Just distrations......
Posted by: Delaware Vol | Oct 14, 2008 6:03:22 PM
Quoting Lydia: I love Obama's logic and his ability to think ahead whether it is about the economy or foreign policy. He has all the qualities we could wish for in a leader. Calm under fire, detailed policies, (they are all on his website, some commenters have complained Obama gives no details in his ads. If any politician's details fits in a 60 second ad there would be no real substance!) his faith in all of us to bring this country around and his connection to real people. His smile is genuine as he meets people; it is the same one you see him give to his daughters. I also love the fact they are not dragging their children around to many events but keeping their home life as normal as possible. The way someone parents, whether they think through what is best for the child, says a lot about the kind of leader they will be. Obama has my vote." Um let me get this right - you will vote for him because you like his "logic", his smile, the way he treats his kids, the fact that he actually has policies, he has "faith" and he "connects" with people, and he can "think ahead" - whatever that means. Sounds like he makes you feel good. It takes more than that to get my vote.
Posted by: Granna 2 3 | Oct 14, 2008 6:02:30 PM
Uh oh, Jersey Joe is whining and crying about 2000... Will you people please just get a clue... The reason Algore lost the election in 2000 was because he was such a phony, he couldn't even win his home state---Tennessee.... I can proudly say that I was one of the MANY wise Tennesseans who kept that creep out of the White House... Now, do you finally have a clue??? This ACORN issue is a REAL problem... Barack Obama will NOT steal this election....
Posted by: Delaware Vol | Oct 14, 2008 6:02:18 PM