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Obama on Attacking Keating Attacks on McCain: ‘We Don't Throw the First Punch, But We'll Throw the Last’
October 06, 2008 2:10 PM
In Asheville, NC, this afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., made a statement about today's bleak economic news, hammered Sen. John McCain's campaign tactics, and refused to answer questions about McCain's role in the Keating 5 scandal -- which his campaign is discussing quite a bit -- before getting into his car and speeding off to get some barbecue at 12 Bones Smokehouse.
"Before we go get some barbecue I want to make a statement on the economy,” Obama said.
"Obviously, we woke up this morning and saw that the markets are still in turmoil. Not only are we seeing the stock market go down, but there is still great danger of the credit markets locking up and we have seen the contagion is spreading to all parts of the globe. Europe is having some of the problems that we are having here in the states. Asia is being affected
"It is a reminder that the rescue package that was passed last week is not the end of our efforts to deal with the economy. It is just the beginning.
"I think it is very important for Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Bernanke to move swiftly and try to restore confidence as quickly as possible to effectuate the plans, based on the authority given to them by Congress. I think it is still critical for us to move forward on an economic stimulus package that can provide people some relief from high gas prices. Food prices. Help states and local governments maintain their payrolls. I think we have to extend unemployment insurance after the statistics showing that 159,000 additional jobs were lost just last month.
"And we are going to have to then move on an aggressive plan to deal with some of the underlying structural problems in the economy, including the continuing decline in the housing market.
"Now, Sen. McCain and I have a debate tomorrow. And obviously, the American people are going to be anxious to hear from one of the two people who is going to be the next president and responsible for dealing with this economic mess and what their plans are. I was a little surprised over the last couple of days to hear Sen. McCain say -- or Sen. McCain's campaign say -- that we want to turn the page on discussions about the economy and campaign, a member of Sen. McCain's campaign saying today that if we talk about the economic crisis, we lose.
"I have got news for the McCain campaign: the American people are losing right now. They are losing their jobs. They are losing their health care. They are losing their homes and their savings. I cannot imagine anything more important to talk about than the economic crisis, and the notion that we would want to brush that aside and engage in the usual political shenanigans and smear tactics that have come to characterize too many campaigns, I think, is not what the American people are looking for. So, I am going to keep on talking about the economy. I am going to keep on talking about what we need to do to strengthen the middle class and get our credit markets settled down. I have confidence we are going to solve this problem, but we are not going to solve it with business as usual. And we need fundamental change, and that is why I am running as president. Alright. "
Obama was twice asked by the press pool, “Why did you bring up the Keating Five?” but Obama ignored the questions and got in his car.
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He wasn't so reticent on the "Tom Joyner Morning Show," when the host asked about the McCain-Palin campaign's attack on him for "palling around with terrorists," namely former Weather Underground member William Ayers, currently an education professor in Chicago.
"First of all, just the facts," Obama told Joyner. "Mr. Ayers is somebody who lives in Chicago, he is a professor at the University of Chicago — University of Illinois, teaches education, and he engaged in these despicable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old. I served on a board with him, and so now, they are trying to use this as guilt by association. And as you've said, they explicitly stated what they want to do is to change the topic, because they don't want to talk about the economy and the failed policies of the last eight years. So, I think the American people deserve better. I think they deserve a last four weeks that talks about the economic crisis, about the 159 jobs that were lost –- 159,000 jobs that were lost just last week — last month.
"But if John McCain wants to have a character debate, then I am happy to have that debate, because Mr. McCain's record, despite him calling himself a maverick, actually shows that he is continually somebody who relies on lobbyists for big oil, big corporations, and that he makes decisions oftentimes based on what these lobbyists tell him to do. And that, I think, is going to be a lot more relevant to the American people than what somebody -- who is tangentially related to me -- did when I was 8 years old."
Joyner noted that the Obama campaign launched a Web site, keatingeconomics.com, going after McCain for his role in the S&L crisis of the late 1980s/early 1990s, and his role in the Keating Five scandal. "Of course, Charles Keating was a savings and loan guy out of Arizona," Joyner said. "Doesn't this put you in the position of going negative, taking away your message of running a different kind of campaign?"
Said Obama: "One of the things we’ve done during this campaign: we don't throw the first punch, but we'll throw the last. Because if the American people don't get the information that is relevant about these candidates and, instead, in the last four weeks, all they are hearing about are smears and Swift Boat tactics, that can have an impact on the election. We have seen it before, and this election is too important to be sitting on the sidelines. If Sen. McCain wants to focus on the issues, then that is what we focus on. But if Sen. McCain wants to have a character debate, that is one that we're willing to have."
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At 12 Bones Smokehouse, he ordered takeout for his campaign staff: Brisket, 2 racks of ribs, pulled pork, a barbecue platter, a veggie platter, six sweet teas, corn pudding, macaroni and cheese, and a double order of collards.
- jpt
October 6, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (378)
WhoisJohnGalt?,
“True” communism has been tried by many “true believers” who brought about revolution, and it hasn’t worked. To claim communism works on paper proves nothing, even if, as you say, it’s “credible scholars” saying that it does. I’ve read the Communist Manifesto already; if you haven’t read many first-hand accounts of people who’ve lived and suffered under communism, maybe you should think about doing so. I just read one by a former North Korean who was unjustly imprisoned, called “Eyes of the Tailless Animals.” It’s a terrible story, to say the very least. For example, this woman saw her fellow prisoner and friend get executed before all of the prisoners for a careless, “anti-communist” remark.
The many failures of communism are well-known, so in the interest of time I will just mention a couple of them, in the form of questions that communism needs to address. Why do efforts to establish “true communism” instead create totalitarian dictatorships? And why do they crush human rights and freedom, not respecting the individual life and taking even the most the basic decisions of people’s lives out of their hands?
Posted by: Erika | Oct 8, 2008 3:07:19 AM
It was actually Roland Martin conducting the interview on the Tom Joyner Morning Show...
Posted by: ndmgill | Oct 7, 2008 9:55:13 AM
Everybody who voted for President Bush in the last two elections needs to ask him or herself, "What was the deficiency in my reasoning process that caused me to vote (twice) for the worst president in living memory?" If people had the necessary insight to answer this question, there wouldn't be any benefit to negative campaiging by either party.
Posted by: Kathleen | Oct 7, 2008 9:51:01 AM
"show me:" please please please get OVER the Commie meme. Pick up a book. Maybe like the work of Marx/Engles and read the Communist Manefesto. It is a work of economic philosophy which, as any credible scholar will tell you, has never been truely implemented. Yes, that is right, the RED SCARE is a RED herring. The USSR under Stalin was a dictatorship. It remained a dictatorship for years, and the fact they slapped on a fresh coat of misunderstood and misapplied "Communism" does not change the underlying facts. Marx's ideas were to take the means of production out of the hands of the few and put them into the hands of the workers themselves. There has been no country where this has happened. Taking the means of production out of the hands of powerful/rich private individuals and putting them into the hands of powerful/rich government individuals is NOT COMMUNISM as written as an econmic philosophy. See, people who are smart enough to go to Harvard often know enough to look past the surface of things. Having said that, as you might have gathered from my username I am no communist myself ... nor do I believe in collectivism as Ayn Rand would say. But I do respect intelligence and competing ideologies as they truly are not as the fearmongering west would have you believe. And secondly, the Decemberists kick much indie rock booty. Sorry all music cannot be Brooks & Dunn.
Posted by: WhoIsJohnGalt? | Oct 7, 2008 9:33:18 AM
Obama sits on his high horse pointing down at John McCain (true American, Military man, knows the meaning of suffering and putting himself not first but last) for mudslinging? What does Obama he think he is doing? Wearing a halo? I think NOT. Obama is a slimy, two faced scumbag, who tells San Fran elites that Pennsylvanians are bitter, gun clinging, religious fanatics. If you people in PA vote for Obama you are incredibly stupid. He made the biggest fools out of you before the entire Nation.
Posted by: ml | Oct 7, 2008 7:49:09 AM
I can't see how anyone who loves America could fall for the lies of Palin/McCain. You're not putting country first, you're putting republicans first or your ideology first.
Judging by poll numbers, you are the small percentage that think Bush is doing a good job.
I am fifty years old, and in all my voting years, Barrack is the best candidate I've ever had the opportunity to vote for. He is the JFK or FDR of our generation. Four more years of Bush and there will be no America left.
McCain is an angry old arrogant, rich hothead, who will probably kick the bucket in his first term, leaving a beauty queen as president. She may be able to win over the president of Pakistan with her wares, but men like Putin will eat her alive. Or more likely, Karl Rove will be the controller of America for four more years.
This isn't a beauty contest, it is the future of our country.
Posted by: Thomas | Oct 7, 2008 1:39:18 AM
The only thing Obama needs to do until Election Day is to keep asking this question:
How Can We Put Our Trust in a Man Like John McCain When He Betrayed His Crippled 1st Wife?
Keep Asking That Question and ... "Game Over".
Posted by: T Damion | Oct 7, 2008 1:24:44 AM
Laura d
"Obama voted 3 times in the Illinois legislature to cause babies that were born alive to die - with no medical care, no love, no comfort."
And McCain voted to allow their parents to be bombed at abortion clinics. Wouldn't that take out two or more lives instead of just one? Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran... Bomb, bomb, bomb the clinics?
Weirdos you people are! You people are the biggest hypocrites plaguing our nation.
Obama/Biden 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | Oct 6, 2008 10:01:24 PM
"You better start working on your masters degree."
I will be within the next five years. Still have to graduate from undergrad. Definitely ahead of the curve though.
Posted by: Niko | Oct 6, 2008 9:43:48 PM
Laura d
"Obama voted 3 times in the Illinois legislature to cause babies that were born alive to die - with no medical care, no love, no comfort."
Get your facts straight on this one... there was already a law on the books in IL that forbade partial birth abortions. The bills that O voted against contained wording that would, in essence, overturn Roe v Wade. The third bill finally included the constitutional wording that was included in the Federal bill and Obama WOULD have voted yes on that one but he was already in the US Senate when it came up for vote.
People who hear a snippet and take it for fact are the most dangerous people in this country... do you know that McCain voted against prosecution laws for the Domestic Terrorists who would bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors and nurses?????
Posted by: Show Me | Oct 6, 2008 9:32:55 PM
“I served on a board with him, and so now, they are trying to use this as guilt by association.”
If Mr. Ayers committed a crime right now, and a prosecutor tried to charge Obama with the crime without evidence just because they are associates, that would be unjust. But if you work with people voluntarily, on projects where shared beliefs and likemindedness are important, then expect the association to matter to people. Besides both of them serving on the board of the Woods Fund, Ayers himself created and was heavily involved in one project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He was co-chair of one of its three parts, the nuts-and-bolts part that dealt with education, while Obama was the first chair of the CAC itself and dealt with the money end. The CAC was Ayers’ baby, in other words, and Obama was its founding president and board chairman, and he was involved with it from ‘95-‘02. Obama sometimes reported to Ayers’ board, and Ayers sometimes reported to Obama’s.
And while Obama was chair at the CAC, it awarded about $600,000 in grants to the Small Schools Workshop, also created by Ayers and run by his former Students for a Democratic Society colleague (and in the nineties, professor colleague) Mike Klonsky. Klonsky was once the head of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in the U.S., and was one of the first Westerners to be allowed to visit China. At the time of the CAC’s founding, in 1995, Ayers described himself as a “radical, leftist, small ‘c’ communist” (“Sixties Radical,” Ron Chepesiuk).
Obama also launched his political career with a meet-and-greet when he ran for state senate in the Ayers’ living room. He was the chosen successor of Alice Palmer, whose seat he filled, who said herself that she’d attended a Communist Party congress in the Soviet Union. In 1997, Obama told the Chicago Tribune he was reading Ayers’ "A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court." Obama and Ayers also had a couple of speaking engagements on university panels together: "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?”
Then there’s also Obama’s ties to Saul Alinksy, the leftist who dedicated one of his books, “Rules for Radicals,” to Lucifer. I believe Obama came along after he died, but he worked for Alinsky’s followers. Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, recently wrote a letter to the Boston Globe claiming Obama is using his father’s methods very effectively: “I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008.”
Sam Graham-Felsen, Obama’s official blogger and a journalist for The Nation, hung a Communist Party flag in his Harvard dorm room in 2003 (“The Four-Year Path to a Quincy Suite,” Harvard Crimsom) and published work in Socialist Viewpoint. A pro-communist band, the Decemberists, who play the Soviet anthem in Russian, opened and closed for him before 75,000 people in Portland, Oregon, on May 18. There are a number of other similarly questionable ties as well.
California Gov. Schwarnegger just vetoed a bill that would have overturned the state’s ban on the positive teaching of communism in schools, among other things. Schwarnegger said, “Many Californians have fled Communist regimes, immigrated to the United States and sought freedom in our nation because of the human rights abuses perpetuated in other parts of the world.”
There are young people who are old enough to vote today who don’t remember the Soviet Union, and most under 30 probably have little recollection of it beyond that it existed. Under communism, most people live like slaves. But so many Americans today are unaware of that. There’s corruption and brutality in both systems, but there’s no hope for change in communism. It’s pure dictatorship.
Posted by: Erika | Oct 6, 2008 9:30:30 PM
blip, sorry my recent comment was meant for GodsPartyRightorWrong.
Posted by: jiml1956 | Oct 6, 2008 8:40:08 PM
blip,
I can't tell if you are being serious or not. I sincerely hope are kidding.
America was founded by those people seeking religious freedom.
Posted by: jiml1956 | Oct 6, 2008 8:35:01 PM
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:43:31 PM
Response:
Blip, how can you say that the Republican party is not the more Christian party? How can you possibly believe that it is "blasphemous" for a Republican to believe that the Republican party is not guided by the steady hand of God? America is a Christian nation founded by Christians and based on the Bible! The Bible that God gave the Republican party through his prophet Ronald Reagan, to defend and to wield as a weapon against the enemies of God which are the liberals and the communists and the denizens of Satan who don't use their dirty parts correctly. How can you say that all that is good and right and just is not embodies in the Republican party, when everyone knows that Republicans are chosen by God to lead America? The Republican party IS God's party and if you question it, you defy God himself!
Posted by: God's Party Right or Wrong! | Oct 6, 2008 8:21:29 PM
At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain/Palin and the Republicans
Posted by: republicans nomore | Oct 6, 2008 7:46:11 PM
"J" wrote:
Gwen Ifill: Governor, please if you want to respond to what he said about Sen. McCain's comments about health care?
Sarah Palin: I would like to respond about the tax increases. We can speak in agreement here that darn right we need tax relief for Americans so that jobs can be created here. Now, Barack Obama and Sen. Biden also voted for the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times."
What does that answer have to do with healthcare?
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Dear J:
This is yet another libtard attempt to distort Gov. Palin's record and spread outright lies because the facts don't suit your side!
Gwen Iifell DID NOT ask the question that you wrote! It is a matter of public record - ANYONE can go watch a clip of the debate and it is clear - she asked very clearly about taxes and how in particular McCain/Palin would invoke conservative platitudes to prove to the people that they are on their side.
Gov. Palin's answer was perfect, and she talked without using the un-necessary "G" at the end of "-ING" words! What really clinched it for me and most folksy folks across this great land of America was when she winked at the end which made me confused at first because I thought she was me and I was her! Then I realized that I was me still, and I knew that they would know what I knew I needed if I would vote for them as if they were me and elect McCain/Palin to let me win!
Posted by: Neuro-winkologist | Oct 6, 2008 7:39:32 PM
And everything cons say is a whine, Ken. Seriously, I've never seen such a group of cry-babies as the modern Republican party. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. That's the sure sign of a loser, and that's why Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.
Posted by: CarbonDate | Oct 6, 2008 7:22:17 PM
Ken WING
"I'm a uniter not a divider"
sounds familiar
Posted by: Omentum | Oct 6, 2008 7:12:46 PM
EVERYTHING that the libs say is a lie! It never fails! I've been watching this campaign very carefully and I have seen absolutely NOTHING that even comes close to "negative campaigning" from McCain/Palin!!! NOT a single time have either of the Republican candidates ever said a racial slur! NOT ONCE!!! They've NEVER lied or misrepresented themselves or their opponent! I have seen a true gentleman and real lady who are both decent, honest, intelligent, patient, warm and inspiring who have treated their opponents with kindness and fairness at every single turn!
In return, the Obama/Biden side has acted like children begging for attention from the cameras! They have NOTHING to offer except for a consistent pattern of lies and diversion tactics because they are desperate to change the subject to their old bag of tricks: race baiting, religious smears, prattling on-and-on about who is more patriotic and who is not, driving wedges between the rich and the poor, disrespect and disregard for our men and women in uniform, and utter crap about fabricated scandals based on lies and lies and more lies!
That's all they ever have! Obama/Biden have just been about ONE thing and ONE thing ONLY: attack and lies! Over-and-ver again, they've lied about McCain/Palin and received no response, no counter-punch, no sneers or belittling comments, no put downs, nothing but a calm, respectful refutement of their lies (as much as possible, since it cannot be done to refute ALL of the lies at once for they are so numerous!) and a careful, optimistic and dare I say, always convincing presentation of the alternative!
By contrast, Obama/Biden are all over the map! They've changed their mind every day, sometimes two or three times a day it seems, as to what they are goign to do next, their position, their approach - you name it! If they're not attacking Sarah Palin by inferring (oh, they'll never say it outright the coward that they are) Christians are radicals and whacko fringe freaks, they just make up total lies about her record on things like taxes and Iraq! They do it with a straight face, and when McCain/Palin points out the truth, they get even meaner, angrier and more disrespectful like little children caught in a lie and determined to get their way!
Everyone knows the truth. Deny it all you want! Obama/Biden are trying desperately to highlight their losing agenda for the country, and they are trying to make McCain/Palin out to be "radical," "suspicious," "un-Christian," outside-the-mainstream Americans from way off places like Alaska. In short, they are connecting the dots between their dirty yet never explicitly articulated attacks, so that the voters will think that Palin and Mac are UN-American, hardcore right wingers who just are not like the rest of us!
Yes, we've seen the Democrat party do this over-and-over, every single year. They always go negative and drag us through the mud and deny it in the end! But this time, I hope you like me will not be intimidated by it and will take the fight to them! We conservatives CANNOT afford to let them take the reins of government once again and run our economic and political future into a hole so deep we may never get out! LOOK at what they've done to the economy for the last decade or so! They try to blame US - it is absurd! - they try to blame Republicans for this MESS and we have not been the ones running things for the last 19 months except for the WH, SCOTUS and a virtual tie in the Senate! THEY have been running the ENTIRE federal government except for the WH for 8 years, the Senate for about 10 years with a virtual tie, the SCOTUS and the House for 12 years! I can hardly believe it when they just prattle off with lies about Republicans controlling the government for years and years which is NOT true! It makes me laugh with incredulousness! THey actually believe their own bulls*it but they can't make up their own facts!
So there you have it! McCain/Palin is the clear answer for America!!! It is time for incremental reforms and a return to Reaganomics so that we can pass along to our children a shining thing upon a hill that twinkles when you wink at it!
Posted by: Ken, WING | Oct 6, 2008 7:08:12 PM
laura d,
Here is what I was talking about earlier:(taken from the VP debate)
"Gwen Ifill: Governor, please if you want to respond to what he said about Sen. McCain's comments about health care?
Sarah Palin: I would like to respond about the tax increases. We can speak in agreement here that darn right we need tax relief for Americans so that jobs can be created here. Now, Barack Obama and Sen. Biden also voted for the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times."
What does that answer have to do with healthcare?
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 6:23:55 PM
"If we are unhappy with our country, we will simply leave and contribute to the success of another country instead. I am a member of what I think will come to be known as the global generation."
Good luck trying to emigrate. You'd better start working on your Master's degree.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 6:19:52 PM
If McCain gets elected, I am going to do everything within my power to move out of the country. Then I will simply sit back and watch America tear itself apart... and I'll actually smile. You older generations have no idea what kind of a younger generation is developing at this time. If we are unhappy with our country, we will simply leave and contribute to the success of another country instead. I am a member of what I think will come to be known as the global generation. We are not merely citizens of America, but citizens of this world. You can all go down with the ship. I'm simply going to go and help build a bigger, better one.
Posted by: Niko | Oct 6, 2008 6:13:25 PM
Mack
"And which state are you the Governor of? Don't tell me, you're a rocket scientist?"
Well Mack, if being elected means being intelligent the world would be a much saver place.
Look at these geniuses the people has elected.
- Jesse Ventura
- George W. Bush
- Dan Quale
- Berlusconi
But I really don't hate her, I think she is smart in charming people, but not the VP material I think is needed.
Not that I'm suited as VP, but at least I know how to pronounce the word nuclear.
Posted by: CLabs | Oct 6, 2008 6:10:26 PM
Distraction, Hate and Fear. It's all Republicans have. No ideas, failed policies, failed ideology. Same old smear tactics that gave us Bush instead of Gore, that gave us Bush instead of Kerry. Proof's in the pudding. How does Bush taste now?
Posted by: thebob.bob | Oct 6, 2008 5:59:04 PM
If the republicans could get the media to give their candidate the respect that they are giving this ******* we would give you McCain and not Obama.
Kerry was on tape saying the things that caused his demise. Bush had been a great governor, and he has messed up some things as President, uh, then there was Clinton, you have to be really bad to do what he did in "our house".
Posted by: Surfside | Oct 6, 2008 6:09:24 PM
"Obama is an exceptional person. He has risen to the top in everything he has done."
Yes, he has done well for HIMSELF. It is all about him. His relationships with Ayers and Wright have been strictly for political gain. Politically calculated moves to get him to the next level. He's moved from position to position, without ever really accomplishing anything meaningful or lasting. Who really knows what his motives are?
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 6:01:59 PM
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:57:07 PM
Just what I thought. You can't come up with one thing Sarah has said that she wasn't parroting.
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 6:01:02 PM
Posted by: Thomas | Oct 6, 2008 5:55:55 PM
Now don't pick on Sarah, laura d says that is disrespectful...lol
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 5:59:16 PM
Distraction, Hate and Fear. It's all Republicans have. No ideas, failed policies, failed ideology. Same old smear tactics that gave us Bush instead of Gore, that gave us Bush instead of Kerry. Proof's in the pudding. How does Bush taste now?
Posted by: thebob.bob | Oct 6, 2008 5:59:04 PM
Blip, I'm an independent voter. I agree with you on the importance of other matters. But here's the thing. It's a matter of character.
We have to be for justice. And we have to be for justice for those who cannot speak for themselves. We have to be for babies and for justice for them first.
Now, if a person does not care for the justice of a little baby living - then their character really isn't for justice for people out of love for people, the way I see it.
Obama voted 3 times in the Illinois legislature to cause babies that were born alive to die - with no medical care, no love, no comfort.
That's not justice. That's not love. That's not the America I believe in.
I can't believe in anything Obama says - because he doesn't love the least and he doesn't care for justice for the least. Then there's something else in his character that is why he's doing what he's doing. No Senator in the US voted against caring for babies born alive. Only Obama practised infanticide.
That's cold. That's really cold.
What more is he capable of?? What else is in his heart?? How could his conscience allow that vote when all US Senators voted unanimously to protect babies who were born alive??
Who is this man, really?? We see a good speaker... but who is he really??
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:57:07 PM
Ok it's time to fight fire with fire. Obama you have to take the gloves off and get down and dirty like Palin and McCain. Playing the good guy will not work. Let's start with McCain and the Keating five followed by his affinity for gambling, Lets add Palin and her witchdoctor pastor in Alaska followed by her association with her husband's wish to have Alaska cede from the USA. As they say in my hometown of Chicago "Politics ain't bean bag". Its on!!!!!!
Posted by: Thomas | Oct 6, 2008 5:55:55 PM
You don't have to be smart to get elected...
Look at our current president.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:55:02 PM
"Did you know, Mack, that Obama had supporters of his jam the lines at WGN where Milt Rosenberg was going to interview Stanley Kurtz?? See, Obama told his people that Stanley Kurtz was lying and so to SILENCE Stanley Kurtz.'
They do what they're told, like dogs. They do their master's bidding, and need to be told what to think and what to say.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:54:33 PM
Which begs the question, who cares about abortion when were electing a president? Or are you just being wedge-issued into voting for an irrelevant VP based on an irrelevant stance on an irrelevant issue? She is not a barbie doll . She is me and you. Do you want me or you running the country, and the economy of the world?
Posted by: Dakotah | Oct 6, 2008 5:53:44 PM
It is amazing that the republicans want to stoop so low as to try and tie Senator Obama to Ayers a former member of the Weather Underground and now a college professor and activist in Chicago and yet refuse to realize that Palin is MARRIED to a man who is a card-carrying member of the AIP for many years and who neither Palin nor Todd has distanced themselves from. Palin even went so far as to videotape welcoming comments to their annual convention as a sitting Governor.
Posted by: FACINGREALITY | Oct 6, 2008 5:53:37 PM
Oh... no... Aiken would not be a good President. He'd just be better than Palin. And, I think if McCain picked him....
You'd be gushing with praise for him, too.
McCain picked a poor candidate. She seems like a decent, though flawed, person... like anybody else. But exceptional challenges call for exceptional people. Obama is an exceptional person. He has risen to the top in everything he has done. He is pragmatic and driven. And as the first black man elected, he will have the weight of history on his shoulders.
He has no choice but to govern well and to govern fairly.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:53:35 PM
"We just don't agree with her and think she just doesn't have enough intellect for the job as VP (okay, she is dumb)."
And which state are you the Governor of? Don't tell me, you're a rocket scientist?
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:51:37 PM
laura d,
You still haven't answered my question about Sarah Palin answering something that wasn't being a parrot for the GOP. I am still waiting. I just asked you to name one thing.
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 5:51:34 PM
Did you know, Mack, that Obama had supporters of his jam the lines at WGN where Milt Rosenberg was going to interview Stanley Kurtz?? See, Obama told his people that Stanley Kurtz was lying and so to SILENCE Stanley Kurtz.
Truth is, Stanley Kurtz researched all about Obama and was giving facts and the truth about Obama.
And Obama didn't want the truth to come out.
But Obama's supporters deserve to know the truth about Obama just like the rest of the American people. Truly open-minded people would read all Stanley Kurtz has to say - cuz he can prove what he's saying about Obama that Obama wanted Kurtz to be intimidated from saying.
Guess Obama has plenty to hide - even from his own supporters. I think people ought to read what Stanley Kurtz has to say and learn more about Obama.... cuz he's a tricky one that man is. He likes to stop people from speaking out... and that's not what America believes in. Obama tries to stop free speech. That's not American and that's against our civil rights.
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:51:16 PM
Blip, still believe he is a Muslim, and just what do you call Rev Wright? Maybe he is Muslim also. If Obama is a Christian, why does he judge? "Judge not least you be judged">
Posted by: Surfside | Oct 6, 2008 5:50:55 PM
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Mack
"How these people have treated Governor Palin is even worse. It's scandalous and despicable."
I agree. Out of the millions of people in this country, she is one of 50 state governors, yet they feel that it is ok to disrespect her accomplishments. It's rabid hate.
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No, I don't hate her. It's all projection from you, the McCain supporters. You hate Obama and think therefore others hate Palin.
We just don't agree with her and think she just doesn't have enough intellect for the job as VP (okay, she is dumb).
Posted by: CLabs | Oct 6, 2008 5:49:47 PM
Laura...
I'm pro-life. But you are delusional if you think that the GOP is the alternative to the Democrats.
Cindy McCain has been assuring many women that the GOP will not touch Roe v. Wade.
But more importantly, there are many other aspects to the life issue: wars, capital punishment, infant mortality rates, suicide, and unnecessary deaths due to lack of propoer medical care, poor regulation, and unsafe environment.
The Democrats are horrible on abortion. But under Clinton, abortions did acutally go down, even if the law didn't change.
Republicans talk a good game on abortion... but do their policies actually preserve human lives? Hardly.
I don't want to vote for Obama... but he better than McCain. I cannot tell you how many women will choose abortions or how many people will die from GOP policy...
But using history as a guide suggests that Obama is going to be a net positive over McCain if your cause is the preservation of human life.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:48:53 PM
The bottom line is that McCain/Palin are behind. THEY have announced they will go negative to switch the conversation. I as a voter have a problem with that.
Now, let's think about this. I have read the Rezco issue and Obama was exhonerated of any wrong doing. He went to the newspaper and answered all questions. He also was vetted on the Ayers thing where he had a VERY loose association with him.
Now, lets look at his former pastor. That has been looked at so many times and found the same as when it started. IF you believe Obama in not participating in it your mind has not been changed. IF you do not your mind has not been changed. THERE is NOTHING Obama can do to change minds now.
Palin has been ugly with Obama. ANY protections as being a woman and being picked on b/c she is a woman- gone!!!! She attacked Biden without any return of fire. She has attacked Obama without any return of fire.
Let's either get to the issues or waste our time on old news on both side. Don't forget McCain has a lot of dirt as well. Oh and by the way who doesn't?
Posted by: V | Oct 6, 2008 5:47:46 PM
Laura D,
I never said I hated her. For me she has not shown me that she has a clue to what is happening in this country. This was just a ploy by McCain to get Hillary supporters.
There were plenty of other Republican women that have more intelligence than this one. It worries me that when asked a question about what magazines she reads, she couldn't answer the question.
Along with all the lies she has told about his and that. (Troopergate, Bridge to Nowhere, The Darfur thing, among others).
It is condescending to me for her to act as if she was one of us. That winking etc. made her look like a high school cheerleader. How am I supposed to take her seriously?
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 5:46:21 PM
That's right, Mack. It's rabid hate that Governor Palin has faced. She's a woman of great dignity and character who has risen above these awful attacks on her personally in so disrespectful of manners.
It just shows the DIRTY politicking that has been part of this race since Governor Palin was introduced.
I think as she smiles and just tells the truth... she can take more votes from Obama than he has any clue that she's going to take.
People should look at the stories by Stanley Kurtz and start to learn the truth about Obama. They should buy Stanley Kurtz' book - but can at least read some of the articles to find out about radical groups that hate "white America" and all his associations.
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:46:05 PM
"Well, no, Clay Aiken has never been governor of Alaska. (But he is still more qualified)."
Okay you win. Clay Aiken for President!(since he is more qualified than Obama)
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:45:59 PM
Blip, you are getting a little silly with the Clay Aiken stuff...Get real.
Sarah is a real person and does many of the same things as normal people do everyday, and she is not like the Washington pupits.
Posted by: Surfside | Oct 6, 2008 5:44:41 PM
"There you go MOCKING Governor Palin because an African minister prayed over her and she didn't discriminate against him. She understood his African culture."
It's like when Obama was wearing that Islamic garb in those pictures. There was outrage and cries of racism.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:43:58 PM
What is all this "non-christian" stuff.
The GOP is not a Christian party. Christ would never invade Iraq or advocate for the execution of criminals.
For that matter, the Democrats are not a Christian party, either.
Calling either political party "Christian" is blasphemous. It puts in Christ's place all the sort of mundane crap that we are talking about here.
The secular world belongs to caesar. McCain and Obama belong to Caesar.
Now which leader we pick has some implications for the world. But don't even try to pretend that one party is Christian and the other is Anti. Because it just isn't true.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:43:31 PM
J
You are so prejudiced against Governor Palin that you are not looking at her as an individual. She wasn't just born 5 weeks ago. She has had her own career and is Governor of a state. In case you didn't realize it, McCain isn't for drilling in Alaska where she wants to drill.
She talks about it all the time anyway.
Guess that's because she's a smart, independent woman with a mind and a will of her own who speaks for herself on things that matter to her.
She's not some "Barbie doll". But that's how you want to see her because you are prejudiced.
That's not being a liberal, J, in practise.
I'm pro-life, but I'm also pro-affirmative action.
I think I'm truly more liberal in ways that are for equality without being wrong-headed and causing harm than you.
"Do no harm". Abortion causes harm to a baby. I can't be for that. It's contrary to all sound ethics.
You shouldn't hate Governor Palin just because she sees abortion different than you do. To her, it doesn't take away a woman's right.
She's not some sort of monster, and she's not a "Barbie doll" either.
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:40:36 PM
"How these people have treated Governor Palin is even worse. It's scandalous and despicable."
I agree. Out of the millions of people in this country, she is one of 50 state governors, yet they feel that it is ok to disrespect her accomplishments.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:40:14 PM
Well, no, Clay Aiken has never been governor of Alaska. (But he is still more qualified).
If Clay Aiken were McCain's running mate... I'm sure they could cook something up to pad his resume with. American Idol is broadcast in many, many countries... Which means his cup overfloweth with foreign policy experience.
As an ordinary guy who was lifted into the spotlight by the will of joe sixpack and jane hockey mom... he can reflect the dreams and aspirations of ordinary Americans.
You see, Clay Aiken is a Maverick, an outsider. So in some ways, his inexperience makes him even more qualified than Palin. Plus, such an erratic and irrational choice by McCain would prove just what kind of a Maverick he is.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:38:07 PM
There you go MOCKING Governor Palin because an African minister prayed over her and she didn't discriminate against him. She understood his African culture.
Governor Palin is much more tolerant and loving than any of you so called "liberals" who are bashing her.
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:36:06 PM
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:23:41 PM
1.I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HER BABY. YOU LOSE ON THAT POINT.
2.GET OVER IT SHE'S IN THE BIG TIME NOW.
3.THIS IS NOT AMERICAN IDOL, DEAR, IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL RACE. I COULD CARE LESS WHO LOVES HER.
4.I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU GOT THIS WHITE TRASH THING FROM BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER CALLED HER THAT.
5.ALL UNFOUNDED ATTACKS.....
6.I ASKED YOU TO NAME ONE THING THAT SHE HAS SAID THAT WAS PARROTING THE REPUBLICAN'S TALKING POINTS. SO FAR NO ANSWER. SHE SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.
NOTHING NEW, NOTHING THAT SHE CAME UP WITH.
7.RESPECT HAS TO BE EARNED, NOT GIVEN.IF SHE IS SO LOVED WHY ISN'T MCCAIN UP IN THE POLLS?
Posted by: J | Oct 6, 2008 5:35:58 PM
"So if McCain/Palin win is Palin's witchdoctor going to give the evocation at the inauguration?'
Will Reverand Wright be Damming America at Barry's inauguration?
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:35:02 PM
Mack,
I've never personally supported Hillary Clinton. However, I sincerely gained much respect for her when I saw how she was treated just for being a woman. I didn't agree with some of her positions. But she is an intelligent woman with a great deal of experience and she DESERVED to be treated better by Obama, his supporters, the MSM, and even the crowd.
I will never forget seeing a heckler in the crowd bring an iron to a meeting to heckle her like she should be ironing Bill's clothes.
I was very angry and I will do everything in my power personally (which may not be a lot) to see that Hillary Clinton is treated with respect WHENEVER she runs for ANY political office.
How these people have treated Governor Palin is even worse. It's scandalous and despicable.
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:33:46 PM
McCain's campaign plans on cutting the budgets for medicaid and medicare. With people's retirement accounts suffering under Bushonomics... I think McCain is probably going to lose the one demographic group where he is actually doing ok: Senior citizens.
It's like he's trying to lose.
He runs around telling blatant lies. He disses Americans by calling them whiners. He says that his campaign needs to move beyond the economy and focus on character attacks. He picks a neophyte numbskull as a running mate. And then he pulls increasingly erratic stunts to try to get press coverage.
It's like he is trying to lose.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:25:23 PM
There you go listening to those democrats again, believing the lies.
Posted by: Surfside | Oct 6, 2008 5:33:39 PM
So if McCain/Palin win is Palin's witchdoctor going to give the evocation at the inauguration?
Posted by: KQuark | Oct 6, 2008 5:33:16 PM
"Just because he is more popular than her, does not necessarily mean he is less qualified. '
That's all well and good, but has he ever been the Governor of a State?
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:33:02 PM
Not this time, not this year. Americans will not chose a president based on the Republican politics of fear and smears. This time the country needs new ideas and leadership that refuses to give us failed neocon policies. The Republicans had 8 years as president and 12 years in congress to prove their economic and foreign policies work and they have been dismal failures.
Posted by: KQuark | Oct 6, 2008 5:30:28 PM
Don't disparage Clay Aiken... He has travelled to more countries than Sarah Palen... and he is much smarter than her.
And he has certainly answered more questions about his record than Palin... which ought to count for something. She won't even talk to the MSM, due to the conspiracy.
And, at least Aiken didn't use his success to have his sister's ex-husband fired.
Clay Aiken has a lot going for him.
Just because he is more popular than her, does not necessarily mean he is less qualified.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:30:09 PM
Stanley Kurtz on Obama and ACORN:
Posted by: laura d | Oct 6, 2008 5:29:18 PM
Oops meant the latter...heh
Posted by: Wade | Oct 6, 2008 5:26:53 PM
"I've never seen such a horrid display of hate and viciousness thrown at a woman"
Even worse than they treated Hillary.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:26:35 PM
Yes, Obama, what do we need to do? Well it's simple my lad:
Today--
It is very important for (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman (Ben) Bernanke to move swiftly and try to restore confidence as quickly as possible," Obama said.
Obama also called for a new economic stimulus package and the extension of unemployment insurance and said the government must address structural problems in the economy including in the housing market."
Oh, okay, sounds like real well-thought out and solid plan to me....
These word mean nothing! "address structural problems"..."move swiftly"..."restore confidence"...tax relief would be good...for businesses too.
Unemployment extension--not good.
Also, question for you Bob...are democrats at all to blame for the crisis, or is it all republicans? If you answer the former, you are blind.
Posted by: Wade | Oct 6, 2008 5:26:30 PM
Enough already, none of you people are true Christians because of your anger and mean words. Choose the person that you want to vote for but you don't have to put the other down. Obama is a man that happens to be Black but it should have nothing to do with the issues. If you were putting your country first then I would not read such HATE.
Posted by: Pricilla, Fontana CA. | Oct 6, 2008 5:22:13 PM
Pricilla, You are right, these lying democrats aren' Christians..I was wondering what is wrong with them, now I know..thanks
Posted by: Surfside | Oct 6, 2008 5:26:18 PM
McCain's campaign plans on cutting the budgets for medicaid and medicare. With people's retirement accounts suffering under Bushonomics... I think McCain is probably going to lose the one demographic group where he is actually doing ok: Senior citizens.
It's like he's trying to lose.
He runs around telling blatant lies. He disses Americans by calling them whiners. He says that his campaign needs to move beyond the economy and focus on character attacks. He picks a neophyte numbskull as a running mate. And then he pulls increasingly erratic stunts to try to get press coverage.
It's like he is trying to lose.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 6, 2008 5:25:23 PM
"Americans like Clay Aiken, too. But that doesn't mean he should be Vice President."
Which state is Clay Aiken the Governor of again?
Posted by: Mack | Oct 6, 2008 5:25:01 PM
You're the one who is going to be crying "J". You laughed and mocked, I'm sure, with all the other Obama supporters with no sense of civility - MOCKING Governor Palin because she has a Downs syndrome babyl MOCKING her because her teenage daughter is pregnant.
I've never seen such a horrid display of hate and viciousness thrown at a woman.
Well, now you're going to see how America loves her and how she captures the hearts of people and is gonna take your swing votes.
None of this was called for. It was because she was a white woman from Alaska who is prolife.
You're going to see what comes of that.
Don't you cry about Obama being called on his lying, his dirty deals with Rezko, his associations with ACORN, and with a US terrorist in Ayers.
These are facts.
These aren't attacks on him for being a black man who cameon the Democratic ticket. They aren't personal attacks like you launched at Governor Palin for being a white prolife woman running for Vice President of her party.
You showed no respect. But she'll smile, wink, and just tell the truth about OBama.. and take all your swing votes.