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Obama Questions Whether ‘Desperate’ McCain Thinks Reagan Was a Socialist
October 28, 2008 5:56 PM
HARRISONBURG, VA -- Heralding his tax proposal, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said the next president should "ensure a shot at success not only for those with money and power and influence, but for every single American who’s willing to work. In this country, if you try you should be willing to make it. That’s how we create not just more millionaires, that’s how we create the middle-class that has been the foundation of our society, of our culture. That’s how we make sure that businesses have customers that can actually afford their products and their services. That’s how we’ve always grown the American economy – from the bottom-up."
Obama said, "Now, John McCain calls this socialism. I don’t think he’s really serious about that, I just think he’s desperate but I call it opportunity and there is nothing more American than opportunity."
The crowd cheered.
"By the way, John McCain doesn’t like to mention the fact that under my plan...the tax burden would be lower than it was under Ronald Reagan," Obama added. "I don’t know if John McCain thinks that Ronald Reagan was a Socialist."
-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
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FORGET ABOUT VOTER FRAUD ... HOW ABOUT CANDIDATE FRAUD !!!
Makes me think,
Sat in a Church for 20 years but didn’t know Wright was a racist, Did business with Ayers for 15 years but didn’t know he was a terrioist. Bought property from Resko but didn’t know he was shady. Didn’t know Dr. Khalid Abdullah was anti Semite. Didn’n know Auntie Zeituni is here illegally (living in Public Housing and contributing to his campaign illegally). Sent a Director from his campaign to a meeting with Islamic Terriost but didn’t know. Seems to me he doesn’t know some very important things….or did he and is not being honest! Obama is a dangerous man!
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Posted by: Howard | Nov 1, 2008 6:45:05 PM
Maybe the tax increase on the wealthy would be better-received if you soften it up a bit? Call it the "Count your Blessings" tax, or something like that? When it's all said and done, the rich will still get richer and the rest will still grovel for the scraps. It's the American way.
Posted by: Rushneck | Oct 31, 2008 11:00:32 AM
bjcoon writes:
"That's noble of you to want to give half your paycheck to the govt... or you could have saved half your paycheck for a rainy day, go back to school,etc... Who know's best how to spend your money-- you or the govt???"
To this I say: if I'm buying a car, or food for the week, then me. But if I'm interested in defending the country, or undertaking basic research in science, well, I think the government needs to organize that. I don't think running an army on a pay-as-you-go basis is really workable. So I'm afraid that I believe that we really do need taxes.
Posted by: harry homeowner | Oct 30, 2008 1:55:48 AM
I think McCain knows he has enough supporters who just grab on to words like Socialism, Communism, Facism without even knowing what it means or how it is applied to society.
Even GOPers are admitting that McCain has not run a clean campaign.
Finally McCain keeps announcing that he's been tested - when, how and how will that benefit him in the world today when he does not seem to show an understanding of how various cultures, nations operate
Posted by: TakingPictures | Oct 29, 2008 8:49:27 PM
When I was unemployed, irs got her eyes on my unemployment pay,she didnt even waive that deduction, because I was unemployed and I needed that money. my health bills even went up when I was unemployed, all these happened under GWB government and will happen under Mccain's fake regime which is only kissing fat ass of rich people.No more voting for republicans!!
Posted by: redneckTcide | Oct 29, 2008 3:36:56 PM
Oh yeah, Davidt, don't forget where this present admin. has gotten us. Of all the developing nations, only Turkey and Mexico have more poverty and a larger gap between the rich and poor than we do. Now don't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling?
bj
Posted by: bjcoon | Oct 29, 2008 2:40:16 PM
David t, How do you make your money? I don't think that I am noble for supporting a country that I am very proud to live in. How is it to survive if the people don't support it?
Yes I am uneducated, but I have had the privilege of living and working in several socialist country, and although I do not wish to live in any of them, we the USA could take some good lessons from them. Forget about the gov. taking away your rights. They did that when GWB took over.
bj
Posted by: bjcoon | Oct 29, 2008 2:10:51 PM
To bjcoon,
You wrote: "I am willing to pay half my pay check for taxes if the other half will support my family."
That's noble of you to want to give half your paycheck to the govt... or you could have saved half your paycheck for a rainy day, go back to school,etc... Who know's best how to spend your money-- you or the govt???
Posted by: david t. | Oct 29, 2008 1:00:08 PM
If you are unemployed, have no health insurance, lost your home, and your unemployment insurance has run out, who really cares what the tax rate is? I am willing to pay half my pay check for taxes if the other half will support my family. The last 8 years have shown me how NOT to vote. It should be a no brainer for a "work for wages" person
bj
Posted by: bjcoon | Oct 29, 2008 12:20:19 PM
John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson cut income taxes, bringing the top rate down from its confiscatory wartime high of 94 percent to 70 percent.
Ronald Reagan, in his first year in office, dropped that top rate to 50 percent.
When Reagan left office, the top rate was 28%. That is what started the 20 year boom that Clinton was able to take credit for.
I don't think Obama is saying he is going to drop the top rate to 28%. More like raise it to 50%????
Posted by: david t. | Oct 29, 2008 11:36:03 AM
Obama wants to "Share the wealth"...he's a "socialist!"
"We're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collective Alaskans who own the resources. So we share the wealth when the development of those resources occur."
Sarah Palin to the New Yorker
The only requirement for this annual "sharing of the wealth" (this year's check was for $3,200) is one year of residence.
Makes all the over-the-top rhetoric about "sharing the wealth" somewhat hypocritical and more than a little phony.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | Oct 29, 2008 10:26:42 AM
"Obama namedrops Reagan a lot. Strange coming from a Democrat ..."
Maybe it's strange to you - with our recent history of paranoid, divided parties - but Obama is different. He has a core message: we need to see ourselves in each other. Ie. we are more similar that different - regardless of party.
Posted by: waylon | Oct 29, 2008 10:14:43 AM
Over the last month (24/7), I, while diligently keeping an open mind, took on the arduous and sometimes challenging task of conducting my own intense research relating to each Presidential candidate’s background, as a means of educating myself prior to casting my vote. In the process of accomplishing my task, I have discovered that, although, both candidates seem to have skeletons in their closets, I continue to have more concerns about casting my vote for Sen. Obama, due to my numerous unanswered questions relating to his background (e.g., who he really is, where he came from and, most important, what he stands for).
Along with a candidate’s knowledge, skills and abilities, I also consider their honesty, integrity, character, judgment and moral values to be just as important, especially when I am casting my vote for a candidate that will be our next President and who, among other demanding duties and responsibilities, will also be charged with setting the example for all of us. Although, some of my previous candidate decisions have been proven to be wrong, which I am man enough to admit, they have not caused me to get disillusioned and will not stop me from making this and other educated Presidential candidate decisions.
I am also concerned that, over the years, our society’s moral values seem to have hit rock bottom and, sadly, I attribute some of this to be a direct result of us electing individuals that, by their own actions, have been proven to have a gross lack of leadership skills, along with little or no moral values, which continues to negatively affect our image here at home, and, just as important, other countries around the world that expect us to set a positive example of a democratic society for others to follow.
Electing a President that has a proven track record of having excellent leadership skills, which includes being honest and trustworthy, along with a transparent background, is a must for me. This was set in concrete after 44 years of experiencing the tragic results of electing individuals into leadership positions, who, upon being elected, were proven to have had hidden agendas prior to being elected into those positions.
I believe that this happened mainly because, as candidates, they knowingly and purposely misled the public by promising everything under the sun, even if they, in their own hearts, knew that most of those promises were unachievable, along with making a concerted effort of not doing or saying anything that might rock the boat, which would subsequently raise too many eyebrows. These actions were put into place, solely, as a means of getting elected into a leadership position and, thereby, having the opportunity to put their hidden agendas into practice. The results of these actions usually ended up in negatively and permanently affecting other individuals, their families and major institutions (e.g., financial crises, fall of Enron etc.).
On one hand, we have a candidate who’s actions have historically been transparent and, although he may not be an eloquent and charismatic speaker, he does have a proven track record of being honest and trustworthy. He also has a record of saying and doing what’s on his mind and in his heart, which includes being man enough to admit any and all mistakes and/or poor judgment decisions that he may have made in his long career as a public servant. All this without worrying about whether or not others may think less of him for doing so. And, most important, he consciously continues to make decisions and/or take actions that are considered to be in the best interest of his constituents.
On the other hand, we have a candidate that is not as transparent with a seemingly shady background, that comes across as being an extremely eloquent and charismatic speaker, who promises all of us everything under the sun and goes out of his way to say only those things that he knows his audience wants to hear, which in this case is the American public.
Lessons learned: recently, we have come to realize the results of what tragically happens when we, over the years, have elected individuals that tended not to be very transparent in their actions and have been proven to be less than honest and trustworthy after being elected by their constituents to serve in leadership positions.
During these desperate and difficult times, that most of us are experiencing, we need to keep our heads clear and vote with our minds/hearts and not our emotions.
“Food For Thought”
Have A Great Day!
Posted by: WeroInNM | Oct 29, 2008 9:49:24 AM
Thanks james321, for saying what I wanted to, but lack the educational skills to say it right. Here is the only way that I know how to explain gop.When Reagan took office I was operating a crane for $21.per hr. was supporting a family of 4, my wife was a stay at home take care of the kids mom. We had two cars,(one new),owned our own home, and had money stashed away for the kids college, we had excellent health coverage. Fast forward 8 years.That same crane job is paying $12 per hr., we have one car, my wife is working,we have no health insurance, and we are spending the kids college fund trying to hang onto our home.
Now you folks can talk about socialism,abortion,gay rights and guns etc,but no one NO ONE has to tell this old hard hat construction stiff whom to vote for. I do forgive you young folks for being ignorant, though. you don't remember how good it was back then. Thanks again for saying it for me.
Posted by: bjcoon | Oct 29, 2008 9:28:12 AM
We already are somewhat a socialistic country. We have always done this. Our tax system has always been a progressive system. Republicans have brought us to this point. History is repeating- Republicans did it before and they have done it again. US Financial meltdown. Democrats have had to get US out of it in past. They can do it again. Under Republicans all is for the rich and corporations. System does not work.
John McCain Health Care - no one can get as good a policy as cheap as they do under their employer. This is impossible. History of medicine financial experts recognize costs are kept lower when number of insured are huge. Bargaining costs as a collective group will be lost.
Obama Health Care Plan is encouraging employer coverage for workers. Present health care insurers will rush to win a contract with government. This is not really preventing us from choosing our own doctors. Republicans said same about Medicare. Medicare did not prove to be socialized medicine at all. People must look t all the facts. Obama's government pool is good idea. More business for these insurance corporations. The health care insurers would love to get and see tremendous growth of their corporation. At the same time these corporation must comply with lowering rates charged for premiums and must abide by regulations to protect the lives of those insured. Obama plan is so superior to John McCain Plan.
John McCain plan deregulating these insurance companies would leave no protection for people when malpractice occurs. Insurance companies mistreat, deny benefits, deny coverage, to sick people today. It will be lots worse with less regulations. John McCain said he would provide writers - but costs will be high. People will eventually be left without insurance, all because they can't afford.
Read and learn. Tax Policy Center gives some analysis. John McCain throwing people off employer health care plans will cause many, many more people to not have any insurance.
John McCain Tax system gives 10% break to the wealthy, but only 3.5% tax break to anyone lower down, and many will see no break. But this has been Republican approach, just like Bush. The largest % of Americans will not get good tax breaks. This large per cent is hat makes up almost all of America. These people are the foundation of America. They are encouraging a system that only the rich are rewarded.
Obama Tax Plan is good as he is giving more to 95% of Americans. Yes, he is taking some away from the wealthy. But % he is taking away is small. Tax for wealthy will be no more than what it was before, and in some cases less. Go the Tax Policy Center to get facts.
Posted by: Sharonklim | Oct 29, 2008 9:05:15 AM
From the New Yorker: For her part, Sarah Palin, who has lately taken to calling Obama “Barack the Wealth Spreader,” seems to be something of a suspect character herself. She is, at the very least, a fellow-traveller of what might be called socialism with an Alaskan face. The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it (“collectively,” no less), but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist.
Posted by: Cynthia | Oct 29, 2008 2:16:33 AM
Socialism is where the government owns business. In our country big business has taken over our government. It’s still called Socialism. Supply-Side Economics (Trickle down theory of economics or Reagonomics) is the Economics of Socialism and Bush-McCain-Palin. What we now call Supply-Side Economics is Socialist Economics and has been throughout history. Every time in history when Supply-Side Economics has been adopted by a government, the government has fallen into ruin. Socialism is Big Business, wealth, assets, and power over the masses and government are in the hands of a few. We live in a socialist country. Thanks to the Patriot Acts 1 and 2. The Constitution is basically null and void.
History is repeating what the Republican’s did in the 1920's and it lead to the depression of the 1930's. The same Socialist Economics, the same types of investments now called derivatives and hedge funds (leveraged gambling). Commercial Banks and Investment Banks are again intermingling their financial activities, monopolistic big business and now monopolistic big media all these things lead to the great depression and our current financial crisis.
We fought the American Revolution with England to get away from Socialist Imperialism and taxation with out representation.
The Democrat’s lead us out of the great depression. It’s time for The Democrat’s to lead us out of this financial crisis. God and the rest of us know the Republican’s won’t restore our Democratic Republic.
Today McCain-Palin both said they embrace the great economic strategies of President Ronald Reagan. This is same old Socialist Supply-Side Economics of Reagan-Bush Sr. and Jr.-McCain-Palin. This is not real change people for the middle class and working poor. It is more of the same. McCain-Palin will destroy our country. We will become slaves of the very rich if McCain becomes our next resident. Vote Obama-Biden 08.
Posted by: James321 | Oct 29, 2008 2:03:58 AM
Yeah, and Obama says a lot of things that clearly are not reflective of what he truly believes. With the full support of the mainstream media he has thus far successfully disguised who he really is, just to get elected. It took Joe the Plumber to ask one simple question that the media, in 19 months of an Obama campaign, wouldn't dare to ask.
We've finally learned more about who Barack Obama really is in the past two weeks, since Joe the Plumber's question, than we had in the entire campaign prior! And, even so, Joe the Plumber has gotten more scrutiny from the mainstream media, in those same two weeks, than Barack Obama has gotten in the entire time he's been campaigning!
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | Oct 29, 2008 1:41:56 AM
Can someone explain to me how it's one person's right to force another person to do something?
How is that a right?
Posted by: Concerned in Ohio | Oct 28, 2008 10:39:30 PM
"where in the constitution does it say that health care is a "right"?
WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO AIR ?
WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SUNLIGHT ?
Posted by: Mike NC | Oct 28, 2008 9:35:31 PM
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