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Obama to Attack McCain on Role in "Keating 5" Scandal, Despite Previous Statement it isn't "Germane"
October 06, 2008 12:05 AM
On Monday the Obama campaign will start hitting Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on his role in the late 80s/early 90s Keating 5 scandal, despite previous indications by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, made months ago, that the scandal was not "germane" to the presidency because McCain had apologized for his role.
Coming off two events -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin attacking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his controversial associate William Ayers, and Wall Street's financial crisis -- the idea put forward by the Obama campaign is: ‘You want to discuss questionable associates, Sen. McCain? Let’s discuss questionable associates.’
In an email sent to supporters Sunday evening with the subject line "What they don't want to talk about," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote that, "During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s," Plouffe wrote, "McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. ...The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain"
Monday at noon at the website "Keating Economics.com," the Obama campaign will launch a 13-minute film it is calling a “documentary” called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis."
A 35-second preview can be seen HERE.
“Fraud is the creation of trust and its betrayal,” says William Black, former deputy director of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, in the video. “The Keating Five involved all the things that have brought the modern crisis. Senator McCain has not learned the lessons, and has continued to follow policies that are going to produce a disaster.”
Black was in attendance at an April 9, 1987 meeting when McCain, Sens. Dennis DeConcini, D-Ariz., Alan Cranston, D-Calif., John Glenn, D-Ohio, and Don Riegle, D-Mich. – soon to be nicknamed the “Keating Five” -- met with Federal Home Loan Bank Board regulators to dissuade them from seizing Lincoln Savings and Loan, part of the empire of Charles Keating, a contributor to their campaigns.
The Senate Ethics Committee ultimately cited McCain for “poor judgment” in meeting with those regulators on Keating’s behalf, though his actions was also deemed "not improper nor attended with gross negligence." Keating ultimately went to prison for fraud and McCain became active in campaign finance reform, almost a form of public penance.
"The appearance of it was wrong," McCain later told the Arizona Republic. "It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do...I was judged eventually, after three years, of using, quote, poor judgment, and I agree with that assessment."
Allies of McCain's would later say that McCain was only included in the group because Democrats wanted the scandal to be bipartisan. ''McCain was going to remain their Republican hostage, no matter what,'' wrote former Sen. Warren Rudman, R-NH, in his memoir, ''Combat.''
The new "Keating Economics" website attacking McCain on the scandal says: “The Keating scandal is eerily similar to today's credit crisis, where a lack of regulation and cozy relationships between the financial industry and Congress has allowed banks to make risky loans and profit by bending the rules. And in both cases, John McCain's judgment and values have placed him on the wrong side of history.”
Obama didn't use to hold such a strong opinion on the controversy. Before the Democratic primary in Oregon in May, Obama appeared at an event alongside Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., who said of McCain, "he says we need less regulation. Hello! Wall Street mortgage meltdown, Bear Stearns taxpayer bailout, Enron, but, you know, I guess maybe for a guy who was up to his neck in the Keating Five and savings and loan scandal, less regulation is better."
Obama was that month asked about DeFazio's remarks, and he distanced himself from them.
"Congressman DeFazio obviously delivered a speech that wasn’t, uh, wasn't my speech," Obama said. "I don’t have any doubt that John McCain's public record about issues that he's apologized for and written about is not germane to the presidency."
That said, Obama noted that he "was just asked previously about a whole host of issues and associations that were a lot more flimsy than John McCain's relationship to Keating Five. What I've said is, you know, I can't quarrel with the American people wanting to know more about that and me having to answer questions about that."
Asked about Obama's previous implication that he wouldn't attack McCain on the Keating 5 scandal, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said, "John McCain once said he would run a respectful and honorable campaign -- but now his campaign says that he wants to turn the page on the economy and make character assaults. That’s his choice. But on this issue, his involvement in the Keating scandal is relevant to the economic crisis we find ourselves in."
Plouffe wrote in his email that the "point of the film and the web site is that John McCain still hasn't learned his lesson...It's no wonder John McCain would rather spend the last month of this election smearing Barack's character instead of talking about the top priority issue for voters."
-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
UPDATE: McCain-Palin campaign spox Brian Rogers emails: "The difference here is clear: John McCain has been open and honest about the Keating matter, and even the Democratic special counsel in charge recommended that Senator McCain be completely exonerated. By contrast, Barack Obama has been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, whose radical group bombed the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Nor has Barack Obama come clean on his close friendship with Tony Rezko, a felon convicted on bribery charges who subsidized the purchase of Barack Obama’s home. It's obvious that Barack Obama is frantically attacking because he knows that most voters find these kinds of friendships, and the failed judgment they expose, to be unacceptable for our next president."
October 6, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (717)
Does McCain have an issue with race? Why would you feel so strongly against having Martin Luther King Day? How is that a bad thing?
"John McCain voted against the creation of the holiday to honor King, and later defended Arizona Republican Governor Mecham's rescinding of the state holiday in honor of King created by his Democratic predecessor. After his opposition grew increasingly untenable, McCain reversed his position,"
Posted by: Todd | Oct 11, 2008 10:06:47 PM
Months ago the Bush Administration was not asking of $700 billion to bail us out of financial crisis caused by deregulation.
Months ago was McCain had not signed his soul over to rightwing smear machine. The same people that said McCain had an illegitimate BLACK child when he ran againt George Bush
Posted by: MrUniteUs | Oct 11, 2008 12:41:40 PM
Go klondike kate!
You are right on! Well said! My problem with this whole election is not all, but most well-intentioned Obama groupies won't spend the time necessary to really look into this candidates background!
If, however, you corner them with facts, names, places & times.... they reach into the deck and pull the "race card" to shut you down! Guess what? It ain't working anymore!
Posted by: J King | Oct 7, 2008 8:22:22 PM
"Race is the issue here. Many of you would rather have someone who looks like you that has the educational background of trailer trash than a man that's a Harvard grad with vision. Grow up and educate yourself."
_________
Bunch of bull!
Bush had a terrific college education!
and it got us no where. He was swarmed on by the masses for his charm and chants of change.... just like the curreent bozo!
Frankly, I am tired t i r e d
T I R E D of being classified as a racist because I'm not turned on by
Obama!
I saw and heard snippets of little children sweetly singing about him... and movie scenes of other little children singing about Hitler came to mind.
I hear his voice and immediately position the words "LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.." in front of whatever follows,
I envision the oval office entrenched in Obama's questionable compadres....none of whom are black.... and I am alarmed!
I see little in his past that shouts "accomplished"... except, perhaps the pro-vote on partial birth abortions and the decision to let those living babies expelled from a mother's womb during a botched up surgery.... die without succor....
In Chicago, I see low cost housing development begun under his first senatorship eight or nine years ago...
still unfinished and uninhabitable.
(Acorn?).
I think Obama would not have come as far as he has had he NOT been black.
I know that whoever wins this election will be faced with economic chaos....
I think Obama is a wuss.
Hillary would have been the strongest canadidate.... but
Next best is
McCain!
Not much in the way of glitz...
but much more substance
in the way of GRITZ!
Posted by: klondike kate | Oct 7, 2008 7:36:32 PM
"I cant wait, if NOBAMA gets elected to watch the middle class fall on there face because of his tax plan. The country will go into a depression. If Obama wins you all will be in a heep of trouble in the middle class. Serves you right."
Making a prophesy out of the present. Brilliant. We're already IN a depression! We've been slippng into it for two years. But thanks for sharing...at least we know who you plan to blame all this on.
Posted by: Man in The Yellow Hat | Oct 7, 2008 6:31:57 PM
I've watched all the televised debates so far. As a Midwesterner and first time homeowner, my vote is for Obama. He looks out for the middle class and will help me keep the "American" dream alive and not wonder if foreclosure is on the horizon or where my next "homeless" address will be. Shame on the country if Gov. Palin had to step in and run the country (not Alaska).
Posted by: JDR | Oct 7, 2008 4:30:14 PM
"Military re-enlists are higher now than they have ever been in years. (WSJ) If our military is so unhappy why re-enlist? Still this is not the point."
I suppose that's why they've been raising the bonuses to re-enlist...all time high, eh? That also explains the "stop-loss' special forces have been under for about two years now. All time high, eh? Also, the army has failed to reach it's enlisitment quoto again this year. All...time...high...re-enlistment, eh? and how about that investigation that recruiters are trying to maker their quotas by enlisting "unqualified" recruits, including mentally ill, criminally unqualified and people lacking diplomas.
I think someone might be playing hard and loose with the reality of the military situation.
BTW, I'm still waiting for that all encompassing military endorsement of McCain. so far, they've been sitting o nhteir hands for BOTH candidates. we heard more from the military (albiet negatively) regarding Kerry than McCain has garnered.
Posted by: Dexter | Oct 7, 2008 4:04:27 PM
AmerVtrn...
You are right! I voted for Bush..twice and he kept our rear ends safe for almost 8 years! I'm not thrilled with Bush. He made plenty mistakes, but Bush is not the point & if you think so you are swallowing Obama camp spin!
For the record! Military re-enlists are higher now than they have ever been in years. (WSJ) If our military is so unhappy why re-enlist? Still this is not the point.
Obama has been "manufactured!" He is a slick product like Coca-Cola, nothing more! You and other good Americans need to read up on David Axelrod, Obamas "image" maker to see how he molded Obama. He is mere smoke & mirrors, my friend!
You may not be thrilled with the McCain/Palin ticket, I'm not either... but they are the best we have in this election & they are certainly better than voting for a closet socialist & a guy who has several known communist and terrorist alliances. I pray to God the truth about Obama is exposed as it "may" open eyes of all who are looking for Camelot.
Posted by: J King | Oct 7, 2008 3:45:12 PM
Obama - Ayers link
Posted by: Real Story | Oct 7, 2008 3:40:23 PM
Spot on, Lawrence.
Posted by: Kilroy | Oct 7, 2008 3:10:09 PM
For all you so-called supporters of McCain, sure you want to continue his policies to include the war. My suggestion is that if you suppport McCain then you should be drafted in the army and sent to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of you clowns support the war in words only but if there was any possibility that you'd have to go, you'd wuss out.
Posted by: Lawrence | Oct 7, 2008 3:04:25 PM
"I urge all voters to GOOGLE Khlaid Al-Mansour's connection to Obama and then decide whether you can vote for Obama!!"
I urge you to Google the Saudi Royal family and their connection to the Bush's, as well as the radical schools that CREATED Osama Bin Laden that they still refuse to shut down in Saudi Arabia...and decide HOW you put this clown in. Twice.
Posted by: Dexter | Oct 7, 2008 2:22:24 PM
Okay, Obama is a lawyer and Biden is a lawyer. Isn't it the lawyers that messed this whole country up in the first place, including all the ones we have there now in office? That's the single least trusted profession in the country according to polls for the last 10 years, and yet we have naive people all over the country thinking (it's a miracle - they are going to tell the truth now?). Just because they say they will do something - DOESN'T mean they will! They get paid high salaries to lie professionally and twist words so you can't understand what they are saying. Then they deceive people into thinking they sound so intelligent, so they get elected. WOW - That's really what we need in office right now. What a JOKE! Let's see a list of how they have ever helped you. But please start by listing the Bill you got from them. They are good at taking your money - just where they belong - in Washington. People wake up!
Posted by: Geo | Oct 7, 2008 2:19:49 PM
Want the Draft and the total collapse of the United States? Then vote for McCain and Palin: THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.
Posted by: disgusted | Oct 7, 2008 2:18:56 PM
Justtooright said: "This is the Obama's normal statement: "I had NO idea that my staff or cabinet members were doing this illegal action. I didn't know they would do such a thing or what they believed." No, Obama you seem to NOT know your friends very well. For such a smart man, he doesn't try to get to know anything on his friends' values or what they believe in...which is the destruction of our nation. (Example: Wright, Pflager and Ayers.) Obama, "Look, I didn't know Kim Jong Ill(sp?) wanted to blow us up! I just wanted to be concerend about fairness and take away your money!"
As far as your post, it's a good point. I disagree on the conclusion, but at least you made a point based on the topic at hand. So go ahead and blast me. You got a free shot coming for me mistaking you for another poster.
Posted by: Dexter | Oct 7, 2008 2:18:38 PM
It's about time. Put in adulterer too!
Posted by: me | Oct 7, 2008 2:16:56 PM
I urge all voters to GOOGLE Khlaid Al-Mansour's connection to Obama and then decide whether you can vote for Obama!!
Posted by: virginia | Oct 7, 2008 2:16:55 PM
This is the Obama's normal statement: "I had NO idea that my staff or cabinet members were doing this illegal action. I didn't know they would do such a thing or what they believed." No, Obama you seem to NOT know your friends very well. For such a smart man, he doesn't try to get to know anything on his friends' values or what they believe in...which is the destruction of our nation. (Example: Wright, Pflager and Ayers.) Obama, "Look, I didn't know Kim Jong Ill(sp?) wanted to blow us up! I just wanted to be concerend about fairness and take away your money!"
Posted by: justrighttoo | Oct 7, 2008 12:56:44 PM
Dexter: Thanks for your brilliant assessment of the situation: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.” How is that taken out of context? April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God Damn America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.” How is that taken out context? “They will not only attack you if you try to point out what’s happening in white America. U.S. of KKK A.” How is that taken out of Context? And Obama said in his book he used Rev. Wright as a sounding board for his ideas and views? Again how is that taken out of context? Reverse these statements to be Anti-Black America and you would be outraged calling for any official tied to these people to be fired. Was Imus also taken out of Context? he was a radio host and everyone called for his head and wanted to boycott the TV station that aired his show, His views were not the views of the station but somehow the station was held accountable! And as for the financial connection four banks and Obama has economic advisors from all four on his advisory staff and took large campaign contributions from all four and all four were run illegally and collapsed and cost tax payers a lot of money. And we are going to trust this man and these advisors to help our economy? They could not even keep a business out of Financial wrong doing and keep them from collapsing how are they going to lead a country? Pushing high risk Sub-prime loans and lack of oversight lead to this problem and at least on this issue the Republicans and John McCain got it right and said it would be a Economic Disaster if we did not have more regulations and oversight!
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 7, 2008 12:56:39 PM
Dude, I'm with you about concern over a candidates associations. But I also realize that if you had that much scruntiy on ANY of the former three presidents, you'd never sleep at night.
I'm not saying your concern is misplaced, I'm jsut saying this is a tempest in a teapot compared to what we've seen i nthe past 25 years.
But to paint a person's personal convictions with those of others is just illogical. Afterall, being a Bush supporter, does that make you a draft dodger, AWOL, useless spoiled brat, too? Well does it? Clueless, stubborn, inept, arrogant? Are you jealous of your younger brother? Is oyur younger brother smarter and better lookign than you? Are you a reoovering alcoholic who sniffed Peru up your nose YET...managed to keep that off limits as a campaign issue?
Then get off of the Ayers and Wright bandwagon....but keep a wary eye out for similar behavior.
Posted by: Kilroy | Oct 7, 2008 12:51:42 PM
You know Barack should be careful since he's gotten John Glenn to campaign for HIM! And he's part of the Keating 5! Please! He doesn't want to talk about his ACORN days or his campaign gifts from Fannie and Freddie or his advisers from those companies from Goldman Sachs, et al.! Bill Ayers wasn't just a friend! Somehow Obama found the time to write in Ayers' book! How can Obama say with a straight face that he DIDN'T know about Rev. Wright for 20 years? Or being on two Boards with Bill Ayers and having his 1st campaign fundraiser in his house? or NOT knowing about Tony Rezko even though his law firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland just HAPPENED to represent Rezko's company 'Rezar'? According to the London Times that Rezko's wife purchased a lot adjoining Obama's property for full price! Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi born Billionaire gave Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased! Obama met with Auchi several times with Rezko! Where is Brian Ross investigating this stuff? No, he's investigating Palin buying a tannin bed with her own money! How can ANYONE vote for someone who has shady friends who HATE this country and want to believe Obama will get us out of this mess when HIS friends want the OPPOSITE!
Posted by: justrighttoo | Oct 7, 2008 12:43:55 PM
"Those who would refuse to remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat the mistakes. It is not a time for an amateur at the helm. We have been there before.WILL you make the same mistake?For those too young to know or remember. Change for the sake of change is seldom for the better."
We discovered that with Bush. Unfortunately we learned that staying the course sucked, too. So what's one to do except spout rhetoric? Take each candidate point by point and quit comparing someone today with someone 30 years ago who inherited a post-oil embargo economy before being hit by another. But if you insist on comparing apples and oranges...
Taxation didn't cause the economic screw up (though the tax hike WAS most unappreciated). Inflation from rising energy costs did (score one for Bush on that, too).
Unemployment came from large plants shutting down and manufacturing cratered. Threw people out of work
in the areas most densely involved in manufacturing. It's the financial institutions this time. Score one for Bush.
Inflation from rising cost of commodities like sugar took Coca Cola from 25 cents to 50 cents. Food doesn't count in inflation numbers these days, so no comparison to Bush...but hey, who dropped food from inflation calculations anyway?
If you were alive in that time instead of selectively misreading history, you'd have a better grip on the external factors instead of generically blaming the man who just precided over the mess.
And what that has to do with Obama is beyond me but it's that kind of muddled thinking that got two terms of George bush.
Carter DID gut HUMINT (Human Intelligence)in the CIA in favor of technology. Bad move. Bush wrecked the armed forces by forcing them to do 4 and 5 tours. Worst move.
Carter DID preside over a botched rescue attmept in Iran. Unfortunate event but the president doesn't exactly have control over a massive sand storm. Bush got us involved in two wars RIGHT after Rumsfeld said we were abandoning the "two-front war doctrine'. Bush did that and no natural disaster caused it.
so when you campare Carter to Obama, maybe you ought to be looking a little more locally. Change for change sake is seldom good? Dig up Reagan and say that to his face because that's EXACTLY what he ran on. He beat Carter, your whipping boy...the circle of life!
Posted by: Dexter | Oct 7, 2008 12:37:29 PM
Vote Obama !
McCain McPOW McJoke !
Posted by: philosopherkingtomas | Oct 7, 2008 12:17:29 PM
Okay let me see If I understand you correctly John S McCain who was cleared of wrong doing in the Keating five scandal is a reason not to vote for him? He was cleared of wrong doing! But was told he showed poor judgment in this scandal, McCain has never tried to hide from this he learned from it and moved on. So lets take a look at just a small sampling of the Poor Decisions of Mr. Barak H. Obama. Rezko lied about the actual amount of campaign money he received from him took 3 tries to get it right and give back the donations, Rev. Wright a Racist Radical who preached about the evils of America and White America for the 20 years Obama said he was a member. First said he never heard any of these sermons, but later changed his tune and said he had and voiced concern about them? Voiced concern but still attended and lists Rev, Wright as a spiritual advisor and sounding board for new Ideas? It has been reported that Obama attended a sermon during Christmas where the Rev. was preaching another Anti-White sermon and Obama sat nodding his head in agreement? This church published a pro-hamas manifesto and named Louis Farrakhan man of the year. Farrakhan is of the belief as is Rev. Wright that white created the Aids virus to commit genocide against African Americans? Farrakhan is also Anti-Jew. He is friends with Bill Ayres an unrepentant terrorist who was a key member in a group that bombed federal buildings and certain members were linked and convicted to murdering police officers? He say he is not a close friend but he was close enough to launch his State Senate campaign and hold fundraisers at his home. Bill Ayers also hand picked him as chairman of a group he started. Then the recent economic crisis he is connected to Franklin Raines, Johnson who both were CEO's accused of falsifying records to meet certain bonus levels. He Pushed for years for high Risk sub-prime Loans while a member of "Acorn" a Socialist/Marxist group that also has lawsuits against them in 9 states pertaining to voter fraud. He also took 150,000 from Lehman brothers! He also has links to the Pritzker family of Chicago, the 2001 collapse of sub prime-mortgage lender Superior Bank was an embarrassing failure in a corner of their giant business empire.Billionaire Penny Pritzker helped run Hinsdale, Ill.-based Superior, overseeing her family's 50% ownership stake. She now serves as Barack Obama's national campaign-finance chairwoman, which means her banking past could prove to be an embarrassment to her -- and perhaps to the campaign. Superior was seized in 2001 and later closed by federal regulators. Government investigators and consumer advocates have contended that Superior engaged in unsound financial activities and predatory lending practices. Ms. Pritzker, a longtime friend and supporter of Sen. Obama, served for a time as Superior's chairman, and later sat on the board of its holding company. Superior's failure could still cost the federal deposit insurance fund tens of millions of dollars or more. And hundreds of people whose deposits exceeded federal insurance limits, such as Ms. Sweet, are still out millions of dollars, which will be reduced some by future Pritzker settlement payments. I have not even brought up the fact that Obama made the wrong statement 2 times on the Russia/Georgia crisis before agreeing with McCain and Finally getting it right. And Iran he said Iran is not a serious threat? This is his quote " "Iran, Cuba, Venezuela? These countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose any serious threat to us," he later changes his stance only after Americans said hold on a minute this country is close to creating a nuclear Weapon and you don't consider them a threat? This man is a Danger to our Economy and our Safety. All of his economic advisors are tied to major collapses and his real opinions on foreign policy just are to put it simply naive and dangerous! Will you really sleep better with a Nuclear Iran because Obama says they pose no threat to us? They only need to fire one to cause the largest death toll this country has ever seen.
Posted by: batesba74 | Oct 7, 2008 11:55:54 AM
This no time for an amateur Nor pretty words and rhetoric, even if it makes you feel good. It will not cure the problem.
This is supposed to be an election for president not PR rock star. You are hiring the CEO of Firm USA. Who do you want to run the firm, a manager with over 25 years experience or the newly hired stockboy?
If you complain about Palin's experience to be VP candidate where does that leave Obama? She has more real experience than he has. Or is Obama really running as Biden's VP?
Posted by: AmerVtrn | Oct 7, 2008 11:45:01 AM
Those who would refuse to remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat the mistakes. It is not a time for an amateur at the helm. We have been there before.WILL you make the same mistake?For those too young to know or remember. Change for the sake of change is seldom for the better. 1975-76 the U.S. was in turmoil, and people were demanding change. An obscure young man with good credentials(exceptional credentials compared to the aspirants today). 1977, President Carter inherited an economy that was slowly emerging from a recession. After four years of the Carter presidency, both inflation and unemployment were worse than at the time of his inauguration. The annual inflation rate rose from 4.8% in 1976 to 6.8% in 1977, 9% in 1978, 11% in 1979, and hovered around 12% at the time of the 1980 election. Carter had pledged to eliminate federal deficits, the deficit 1979 $27.7 billion, 1980 was nearly $59 billion. Inflation(11-12 percent), and skyrocketing interest rates(21.5 percent). July 1980, Carter received a favorable rating of only 21% in the Gallup Poll. That was the lowest rating any president, including Richard Nixon at the time of his resignation, had received since polling began in 1936.This not to mention the devastated military preparedness and income tax rates. Do we need to re-live this in 2008-2012
Posted by: AmerVtrn | Oct 7, 2008 11:40:12 AM
J King, so anyone who votes for Obama is a fool huh? I'd make a wager that you voted for Bush, now who exactly is the FOOL??
McCain and Palin are not only an embarrassment to America but to the world as a whole and the sooner people like yourself realize this maybe we can be the nation we ONCE were.
The military, my military in which I served 23 years has been wrecked by this administration, with the help of McCain. What in this republican administration has went well. ANSWER:NOTHING!!!
Posted by: Lawrence | Oct 7, 2008 11:18:45 AM
Anyone voting for Obama is a fool! He is the slickest con-man to come along in years. Granted he's smooth as silk, but an empty suit! There's no way you can read available books that are "for" him, neutral or against him and come away feeling comfortable that Obama is a loyal American with solid American ideals. The problem with the electorate in this country is they love to hear bull-crap! Bill Clinton said it best: "it's better to lie big than tell the truth small"
I would have been thrilled to vote for a qualified black man. This guy is nothing more than a siding salesman with a silver tongue. Before you call me a racist, check out books and articles about Axelrod, Obamas image maker and manager. You might learn what you need to know before you vote.
Posted by: J. King | Oct 7, 2008 11:12:25 AM
Obama is cool!!!
Posted by: angerran | Oct 7, 2008 11:05:05 AM
People don't be ignorant. Those of you that voted Bush in office twice want more of the same. I'm starting to think that the McCain supporters are just as uneducated and un-informed as McCain and Sorry Sarah. McCain's a veteran, so what!! I'm a veteran of the Navy, officer as well, and it doesn't qualify me by any means. Better yet I'm probably more qualified than the two of them together.
Race is the issue here. Many of you would rather have someone who looks like you that has the educational background of trailer trash than a man that's a Harvard grad with vision. Grow up and educate yourself.
Barack Hussein Obama "08 & 12"
Posted by: Lawrence | Oct 7, 2008 10:58:28 AM
In case Obama (Mr. Teflon) and his supporters don't know the meaning of "germane", which Barry used very early in his campaign for King of the World regarding any discussion by him or his "handlers" regarding McCain and his role in the now-ancient Keating Five matter was that it wasn't relevant to the campaign for the presidency. Of course, he cries easily as we have witnessed before, so now this ancient tale of woe becomes "relevant" as McCain tries to force out of Barry just who in the hell he is......and where did he come from.......somewhere in Barry's makeup, there's an Invisible Man, all stuff of a much more recent vintage...and still unknown.
Posted by: justj joey | Oct 7, 2008 10:48:51 AM
Yes, Obama, hang in there. McCain's character is not the issue. Yours is. You can see ALL of us.
Posted by: newz4i | Oct 7, 2008 10:42:06 AM
John McCain Supporter: "For two people who have no military service between them and have never worn the uniform, Barack Obama and Joe Biden have a lot of gaul to criticize an 87 year old war hero and first man in space John Glenn."
I had not heard of the John Glenn criticism, so I do not take issue with your defense of Glenn. But, as far as people "not serving" crictizing those who have, you put up with "W" when he attacked McCain in 2000 (who served), Kerry (who served), Gore (who served in a capcity that beat both Cheny and Bush)
so methinks your mock indignation is 8 years too late. Or perhaps just selective outrage.
Once again, letting a spoiled, rich, entitled AWOL brat like George get away with moral failing after failing, but calling into account the very same tactic. It was like when Clinton was looking at impeahment and Speakers Newt and Livingston had to endure the same spotlight of scruntiny for THEIR affairs. Oh yeah, THEN it was foul....
Republicans have double standards. That's sometimes called "duplicity". Hell yeah, we want four more years of that.
Posted by: Kilroy | Oct 7, 2008 10:38:54 AM
RIDICULOUS. McCain was totally exonerated.
People better take the spin off of Obama's campaign and think carefully what this country will turn into if he's elected. The truth is finally being brought out about him. It has nothing to do with desperation. TWO FBI AGENTS came out - one yesterday and one today - to voice their concerns about Obama and Ayres. BE CAREFUL PEOPLE.......and Ayres isn't the only concern. ---
PROSECUTORS SEEK TO DELAY SENTENCING OF TONY REZKO
CHICAGO: Prosecutors seek to delay sentencing for Chicago money man, suggesting felon linked to Barack Obama has secrets to share.
Posted by: Maryland Woman | Oct 7, 2008 10:01:37 AM
Vote John McCain!!!!!
Ohio is proud of John Glenn and John McCain both fighter pilots who served their country when their country was at war.
Barack Obama is dumb as a doorknob to raise Keating 5 and criticize John Glenn. You just put Ohio in the Red state column.
The people of Ohio are proud of John Glenn, a former Marine Corp fighter pilot during World War II. John Glenn was awarded the Congressman Medal of Honor and flew aboard the space shuttle at the age of 77. The Barack Obama campaign should stop criticizing an 87 year old war hero John Glenn by raising the Keating 5 scandal that happened over twenty years ago.
For two people who have no military service between them and have never worn the uniform, Barack Obama and Joe Biden have a lot of gaul to criticize an 87 year old war hero and first man in space John Glenn.
It is also pretty stupid to criticize an Ohio native son when Ohio is in play during this election.
This is what Bill Clinton thought about the Keating 5 Scandal involving Senator Dennis DeConcini and 1st man in space and war hero Senator John Glenn and two other Democrats 4 years later.
Senator DeConcini was appointed by President Bill Clinton in February 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation.
Vote for John McCain, he respects veterans especially 87 year old fellow fighter pilots.
Posted by: John McCain supporter | Oct 7, 2008 8:34:38 AM
John, John, John! When you are as old as you are you best not try to dig up stuff from the past. We all have stuff in our closets as the saying goes; but McCain is so old that he doesn't have a closet to hide it all. HE HAS 12 HOMES!!!
Posted by: McCrazy = GOP Madness | Oct 7, 2008 7:16:17 AM
Will the Obama cam'pain" also point out that the other 4 out of the keating 5 were democrats?
Posted by: LongT | Oct 7, 2008 6:41:41 AM
More entries for New McCain's New World Dictionary:
Vice President: Someone who is not allowed to talk.
Iraq: A place to burn 10 billions a month.
Maverick: Someone who loves to blame.
Middle class: A class that has no privilege and should be blamed for the economic crisis.
Terrorist: Someone who is dark.
Tax cut: Special privilege for the rich.
Health care: You care for yourself.
Posted by: fun | Oct 7, 2008 3:19:36 AM
Palin/McCain have nerve. Palin was banging two guys who hate the USA and want to secede from the Union... And she says Obama is unpatriotic because his daughter goes to school with the child of a 1960's radical.
Posted by: Thomas Brooks | Oct 7, 2008 3:03:44 AM
McCain is dying of cancer. He will die in the first year. Palin would be president. She has no knowledge, nor ability nor education. We've had 8 years of an ignorant president. It destroyed the country. Why do Republicans want 8 more years of corruption, ignorance and failed policies?
McCAIN IS PATHETIC!
Posted by: Thomas Brooks | Oct 7, 2008 2:58:33 AM
someone brought up McCain's ability to calculate win speed and other calculations as proof of his intelligence . ..well . ..he crashed 3 or 4 planes (not in combat) . ..so I'm not sure he does know how to calculate . .any pilot whose father and grandfather were NOT admirals would have found themselves "flying desks" for the remainder of their military career after crashing the first one
Posted by: Melissa | Oct 7, 2008 2:34:28 AM
After watching McCain's rally on TV, I have compiled a new McCain's New World Dictionary for someone who may not understand some of the new words. Here are some entries:
Country = Me
Homes (Uncountable noun) : Places that sometime we may forget.
Pork barrel: Something we promise to veto but never do.
Economy (abstract noun): Abstract concept that we should never discuss.
Change: the difference between talk and action.
Deregulation: Something that was in ours favor, but we should not mention.
Personal attack: a tool to use when we are losing.
Posted by: Fun | Oct 7, 2008 1:33:27 AM
Go ahead America and elect McCain/Palin in november. Just remember this: McCain finished near the very bottom of his military academy class and Palin was even worse. She finally got a ba degree in journalism after attenting six different schools in order to obtain a degree which should have taken four years. That confirms that neither of them are very bright. McCain may not have been found guilty in the Keating 5 scandal but he himself admitted that he used very poor judgment in lobbying the congress for Keating to avoid regulating the savings/loan industry. His poor judgment caused Americans billions of dollars. Please take a close look at McCain during this current crisis. His campaign has admitted that they made several mistakes while trying to decide how to handle this economic crisis. Today one of McCain's top aides stated that the McCain campaign needs to close the door on this economic crisis and move on to something else in order to try and win this election. Does that sound like mcCain has a clue as to what needs to be done to solve this crisis. McCain/Palin never talk about solutions for America many problems. They only use smear tactics to try to make Obama look like he's the bad guy. If Americans fall for those smear tactics and elect McCain/Palin, please dont complain about the wars he will start and the continued isolation of America from the world community. McCain/Palin stated that they wont sat down and talk to these so called rogue nations but you can believe that the Russians will. Do you want Russian missiles in Cuba again. McCain politics will not work in the 21st century.
Posted by: johnnylee | Oct 7, 2008 1:12:13 AM
Obama supporters seem to like insults without substance. Stick to issues people. Insults may lead people to question your facts, if any.
Obama holds the Keating 5 as McCain’s most disgraceful hour? Sorry dude, McCain was exonerated and found to be without wrongdoing in that case. At very worst he could be accused of crossing party lines and being involved with 4 Democrats in the investigation.
Obama is the leftist extremist who is simply dangerous. He is associated with several radicals including Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Wright and others and he has ties to criminals in Chicago. Obama’s political views are off the scale to the left.
McCain has a proven record of working with Democrats in a bipartisan manner. (Not always to my liking) What little record Obama has shows that he is hard core leftist and unwilling to compromise with anyone more conservative than Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: Oonogil | Oct 6, 2008 11:36:34 PM
McCain was cleared of any wrong doing in relation to the Keating 5 incident twenty years ago. Tony Rezco's sentencing is being postponed -- could it be that he is willing to talk in order to get a lighter sentence? Obama's ties to him could prove to be more than just boneheaded. I hope Obama is clean on this one, but we just don't know yet.
Posted by: supermom | Oct 6, 2008 11:21:01 PM
I'd say it's about time to bring out Sarah Palin's favorite witch hunter. After all, according to her, he was responsible for her being elected governor, so she should share him with the world. If you haven't seen him, just google: Palin's witch hunter.
Posted by: rhbate | Oct 6, 2008 11:19:08 PM
McSame is attacking Obama's character because he has no solutions to offer the American people.
He has completely wrecked his chances by putting Barbie Doll Palin on his ticket. McCain is desperate
and so is fighting dirty now. This is exactly what Bush did to him in 2000. It won't work this time.
John mccain a true american traitor putting himself first before his own country.
ask american pows they have nothing but having shame and be offended by him while knowing that he was cracked and
gave up his country to communists playing in movie against his own country.
american enemy may want this coward and crook as president but real american heroes not.
true christian and faithful person will be stupid to vote for mccheater who has admitted adultery, since voting for him as same as endorsing adultery.
Posted by: tim | Oct 6, 2008 10:50:20 PM
Todd Palin was apart of this. I did not know.
TODD PALIN, THE FIRST DUDE IS A TERRORIST. SARAH PALIN THE DENSE LIAR AND IDIOT.
Todd Palin was apart of this Alaskan Independence Party up until 2002. Sarah Palin recorded a video showing Todd being apart of this group this year. During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence. He also claimed to have organized the meeting which led to the formation of the Libertarian Party in Alaska. The AIP and AFI, as Vogler explained, were intended to function as strictly separate entities — AIP primarily to explore whether the 1956 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal, and AFI primarily to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[1] [2]
Todd Palin first registered to vote in 1989. From 1995 to 2002 he was registered to vote as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.[11] In late August 2008, The Politico reported that Palin was registered to vote as an independent ("undeclared"), and had never registered as a Republican.[12]
Posted by: Change Agent | Oct 6, 2008 9:24:04 PM
BEYOND EMBASSING, MCCAIN IS PATHETIC !!!
First The Savings and Loan and Now Wall Street. No Maverick. Corrupt McCain.
From the Wikipedia. Unlike McCain’s Lies, This is The Truth. Same McCain, Different Failure. Our Country cannot afford McCain/Palin.
The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).
The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.
Posted by: Tired of the Bull | Oct 6, 2008 9:22:35 PM
JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN – NOT COUNTRY FIRST, NOT AMERICANS FIRST.
DESPERATE, PITIFUL, ANGRY OLD MCCAIN
ABANDONED AMERICA FOR EIGHT YEARS
MCCAIN IS NOW ABANDONING AMERICAN WHEN THEY NEED HIM THE MOST FOR LIES AND SWINGBOAT SMEAR GAMES.
MCCAIN IS HANGING AMERICA OUT TO DRY AND FOCUSING ON LIES
AND SMEARS
MCCAIN IS NOT HELPING AMERICA WITH STRATEGIES AND IDEAS TO HELP BECAUSE HE HAS NONE !!!!
AMERICA’S FINANCIAL ECONOMY IS IN RUIN FROM THE 26 YEARS OF DEREGULATION AND 8 YEARS OF BUSH, 159,000 JOBS LOST FOR THE 9TH STRAIGHT MONTH OF JOB LOSSES, HEALTHCARE COVERAGE IS DOWN,
10,000 FORECLOSURES A DAY, 401K’S ARE DOWN, AND MCCAIN AND
PALIN WANT TO ATTACK OBAMA WITH LIES AND NEGATIVE ADS AND
PERSONAL ATTACKS WHILE AMERICA SUFFERS !!!!!!
AS YOU HOLLAR FOR HELP, MCCAIN IGNORES YOU AND INSTEAD GO FULL FORCE ON SMEARS. MCCAIN DOES NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT COUNTRY OR ABOUT ANY OF US.
EIGHT YEARS OF IGNORING AMERICA. ON NOVEMBER 4TH WE WILL IGNORE YOU AND PALIN.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 – WHEN AMERICA FIGHTS BACK.
Posted by: Tired of the Bull | Oct 6, 2008 9:21:27 PM
If an airhead like Palin ever met with Puttin and she said I can see you from my house.
He may try and blow her up and say. Now you see me and now you don't.
You need someone with knowledge, who knows someone other than a 3rd grade class from Alaska and someone who is truly intelligent and not someone who had past criminal charges like McCain or someone who is currently under criminal investigation like Palin and from the looks of this article who also cheated on her taxes, but claims it's okay because she worked out with the IRS. Maybe she winked at them.
This would be funny, if it weren't true and Frightening. McCain who doesn't know when our economy is in trouble and Palin who does know the name one magazine she reads. President and Vice President. I don’t think SO !!!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 Country and Security First !!!!
Posted by: Tired of the Bull | Oct 6, 2008 9:12:41 PM
Extremely Scary!!!! Extremely Unsettling!!!! And you McCain/Palin supporters may think she is cute when she winks and memorizes lines and you sell her dolls like you are in a ballpark watching a game, but there are Real Enemies of Ours who would not negotiate with an Airhead who knows nothing and would regard her as a JOKE and you voting her in would make you the JOKE also. You would be asking for Danger. Make "Say It Ain't So Joe" go home. If that does not scare you, nothing will !!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 - Country and Security First !!!!!
Posted by: Tired of the Bull | Oct 6, 2008 9:11:23 PM
TODD PALIN, THE FIRST DUDE IS A TERRORIST. SARAH PALIN THE DENSE LIAR AND IDIOT.
Todd Palin was apart of this Alaskan Independence Party up until 2002. Sarah Palin recorded a video showing Todd being apart of this group this year. During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence. He also claimed to have organized the meeting which led to the formation of the Libertarian Party in Alaska. The AIP and AFI, as Vogler explained, were intended to function as strictly separate entities — AIP primarily to explore whether the 1956 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal, and AFI primarily to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[1] [2]
Todd Palin first registered to vote in 1989. From 1995 to 2002 he was registered to vote as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.[11] In late August 2008, The Politico reported that Palin was registered to vote as an independent ("undeclared"), and had never registered as a Republican.[12]
Posted by: Tired of the Bull | Oct 6, 2008 9:09:53 PM
I'm very sorry for saying "prostitute." I apologize to all who I offended.
I'm truly sorry.
Posted by: Kenneth W. of Minneapolis | Oct 6, 2008 8:49:38 PM
Using Keating 5 against McCain. Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before - oh, yeah, Bush did the same thing during the 2000 primaries. How ironic that Obama is using Bush tactics in this election.
Posted by: Sea Shells by the Sea Shore | Oct 6, 2008 8:48:14 PM
*****DeanBob***** It appears that you have indeed made up your mind to "Not Vote." That is fine, because, if you feel that no-one has earned your vote, then I totally respect you. If anyone's vote can be woo'ed by fear or slick talk, then they indeed is a prostitute. THESE CANDIDATES SHOULD EARN YOUR VOTE!
Senator Obama has earned mine, and he shall receive it!
Posted by: Kenneth W. of Minneapolis | Oct 6, 2008 8:44:21 PM
black in america Clarence Thomas, Condoleza Rice, Colin Powell are great black leaders. Why? Do you hate them because they're successful?
Posted by: deanbob | Oct 6, 2008 8:36:55 PM
Kenneth W. of Minneapolis I am leaning strongly. But, the BAILOUT pushed me to the edge - of not voting. I don't believe in Socialism, but I am SOOOOOOOOO disappointed in McCain. I would rather protest with NO VOTE than give it to a 3rd party. Does it sound like MY MIND is made up?
Posted by: deanbob | Oct 6, 2008 8:31:01 PM
bhcg89
You said: "You at least know that John McCain has the computational and analytic skills to compute fuel loads, cargo weights, wind speeds, and trip distances to keep from running out of gas on missions."
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Yep, all thats going to come in pretty handy in the oval office (particularly the wind speeds aspect). I find it interesting in your discussion of book smarts versus military experience that you mention Obama and Biden, but when you state the case of McCain, you fail to make any mention of Palin. Hmmm, could it be that she may run out of gas on one of her missions? I find it hard to believe she can read the gas guage in her car. She's not going to be very useful for the next president if the two of them are going to have to demonstrate their flying skills as evidence that they know how to manage our economy.
Posted by: cbot2255 | Oct 6, 2008 8:28:40 PM
bhcg89
You said: "You at least know that John McCain has the computational and analytic skills to compute fuel loads, cargo weights, wind speeds, and trip distances to keep from running out of gas on missions."
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Yep, all thats going to come in pretty handy in the oval office (particularly the wind speeds aspect). I find it interesting in your discussion of book smarts versus military experience that you mention Obama and Biden, but when you state the case of McCain, you fail to make any mention of Palin. Hmmm, could it be that she may run out of gas on one of her missions? I find it hard to believe she can read the gas guage in her car. She's not going to be very useful for the next president if the two of them are going to have to demonstrate their flying skills as evidence that they know how to manage our economy.
Posted by: cbot2255 | Oct 6, 2008 8:28:38 PM
The only reason why you will vote for McCain is because Obama Is Black. McCain only wants to help 5 percent of the people.
Posted by: black in america | Oct 6, 2008 8:16:30 PM
If you are a McCain supporter, everything piece of propaganda his camp puts out, you will support. If you are an Obama supporter, you will do likewise.
When will some say something that has not already been said?
The most provocative thing I have heard in the last 2 days was said by someone with "rightt" in their 'call sign', and it was: "If Obama is a terrorist, then why is Homeland Security not involved."
Everyone who has left a message on this board has already made up their mind who they will vote for on November 4th!
Do you agree?
Posted by: Kenneth W. of Minneapolis | Oct 6, 2008 7:58:55 PM
IT'S THE ECONOMY!
WANT FOUR MORE YEARS OF THE SAME ECONOMY?
IF SO, VOTE McCAIN!
Posted by: rhbate | Oct 6, 2008 7:58:42 PM
Vote for John McCain!!
John McCain is the one who can come up with solutions to our economic problems.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden are mathematically challenged.
Joe Biden with his history and political science double major in college and Barack Obama’s major in political science give them absoloutely no economic, scientific, quantitative or analytical background to handle the pressing economic and military problems facing our country.
These two mathematically challenged Democrats are supposed to be able to crunch numbers and understand how to cope with our economic and budget crisis. Two people who probably can’t add four numbers together are suppose help solve our economic crisis. Do you know that they offer basic accounting continuing education classes to lawyers because most lawyers do not understand simple accounting. We have had enough mathematically challenged lawyers screw up our country. You at least know that John McCain has the computational and analytic skills to compute fuel loads, cargo weights, wind speeds, and trip distances to keep from running out of gas on missions