Palin -- Pans and Plaudits

John: All the networks are pro-obama and listening to Obama in North Carolina is a farce. He isn't going to change anything in Washington because he doesn't know how. He will have to be trained by Biden who will be running the country while Obama sits back.

Ryan C: And where is Obama's other birth certificate from Kenya which I understand on the internet he has two. Which one is real? Was he born in Kenya and registered in Hawaii? There is some doubt about his birth certificate. There is an idea that he wasn't given a birth certificate in Kenya so she can get on in Hawaii. And don't tell me it can't happen.

Ryan C: IWe all know that Obama associated with crooked underhanded people like Rezko and now Larry Walsh who is being investigated. All the dirst is coming out now. Father P, Wright and Farrkhan. Who else is going to turn up.

Grey Matter: Palin never faced any difficulties taking care of her family plus becoming a mayor then a governor. Not many women in her field could handle. Their children would probably to to day care like thousands of children today. And I do not believe in head start. Children should not start school until they are 5 years old when they are in kindergarden. And there are mother's that put their children in head start so they can flaunt around.

Gee, you can have a good look at Obama's birth cert on FactCheck if you're not convinced that his website didn't photoshop it. They even took a photograph that shows the raised seal and the signature.

Palin seemed programmed, Biden, informed. And I felt she was rather callous the way she just went back to talking about "John the Maverick" right after Biden almost teared up talking about the day his wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. She could have taken that moment to also talk about the difficulties she faced raising a family as a mother, it would've made her seem so much more authentic and able to emphathise with people.

She came across as just sticking to her talking points, not a down-to-earth and real person. And what was with all her winks, EXACTLY?

McCain finally, totally lost me - due to Palin.
It was too obvious that she survived the debate due to coaching, cramming and crib-sheeting, not real knowledge; too often she just bluffed and yammered emptily, like a junior-high kid who was 'WAY out of her league.

My feeling really jelled: McCain's choice of Palin indicates contempt -- for the VP's office (which McCain doesn't care spit about), and for the American people (since that office is a heartbeat away from the presidency, and this woman isn't qualified - at all).
It also shows contempt for women, as if the guy said, "Women voters are so dumb that they can't tell Dem from GOP, so ANYTHING female can replace Hillary," and-or "The job is so worthless, I'm tossing it to a Girl Nobody - who also won't pose a power/competition threat to me, as a 'real' (male) VP might."

It's as if McCain chose her as a joke, on whim, or in a fit of pique when pressured to choose a VP candidate, and is somehow saying "F--- you!" to (and laughing at) everyone involved: Palin, his own party, and all U.S. voters.

I don't want any more "maverick" whims, or rotten judgment, like this. McCain can count me out -- because I care about this country.

Joe Biden was substantive, thoughtful and in command. Sarah Palinignored virtually every question and stuck to generalities andplatitudes. Yes Palin didn't stumble as she did during the Katie Couricinterviews. But she didn't impress, either. It was all boilerplate--like she was giving a scripted pep talk, not proving she could handlethe toughest job in the world. Biden kept his cool, even though he clearly had a much greatermastery of virtually every subject discussed. He kept the heat onJohn McCain--where it should be--and forcefully defended Obama whenPalin made ludicrous claims about transferring the surge toAfghanistan or "waving the white flag of surrender" in Iraq. I'm a little surprised to see the talking heads on TV talking aboutwhat a great job Palin did. Maybe they just want this race to becloser than it currently looks. But most swing voters, in an instantsnapshot, thought otherwise. According to a CBS poll, 46 percent of uncommitted voters who watchedthe debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21 percentthought Sarah Palin won, 33 percent thought it was a draw. According to a CNN poll, 51 percent of voters though Biden won,compared to 36 percent for Palin. (Only voters polled by Fox, surprise surprise, gave it to Palin.) Before the debate, 54 percent of CNN voters said Palin wasunqualified to be vice president. After the debate, that number (53percent) only changed by a point. Maybe, for once, substance prevailed over style. Joe Biden was chosen for VP, for his honesty free spirit and his experience!
He’s supposed to make a point when is needed. Sarah Plain was chosen for the position after only one meeting .The decisive factor was only the women’s vote and the prerequisite to be the John McCain cheerleader. She makes only scripted interviews and has very thin Resume. Sarah Plain VP? Thanks but not thanks!

Ryan, is common-tater up there close to po-tater?

She was on auto pilot, very well coached , bravo to the coaches, but I don't think you can get away from the last few weeks.
She could not allow herself to get off her rehearsed lines. Is there anybody out there who did get aqn emotional clutch when Biden talked about loosing his family, she did not pause, just went straight on with her talking points, even though this had been in response to her talking about her family and implying that she had cornered the market on understanding families and problems.
SO couldn't she take a moment out of touting her experience and feel for the guy who was sharing the stage with her. If she could not do that in that moment, how are the American people she was talking to supposed to bealive that she feels for them?

I thought they both did very well at the debate. Gov. Palin seems alot more comfortable in a situation like that than doing interviews, and showed that she is in fact a very sharp person. Joe Biden is someone who I have always liked and admired, he was as usual a great debater, some facts were a little fuzzy, but the same can be said for Palin. One thing did strike me though as I watched them spar, why isn't Biden on the top of the ticket? Seeing Obama and Biden together always reminds me of how Bush/Cheney were elected in 2000. Senater Biden stated last night that he will be "sitting in on all major decisions with Obama" does this sound familar to anyone else or is it just me? I don't think VP's should be involed in every major decision, Bush/Cheney has proved that true over last 7 years. McCain/Palin strikes me as better ticket, the person with the most experienc on the top of the ticket. This setup has always worked best in the past.

"If you google" 2003 barney fannie mae" a few hits down is another query.nytimes article regarding the republicans attempted legislation and democrats' resistance"

You mean the toothless regulation from the Bush admin which Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac welcomed?

Funny thing is I would be happy to concede that this was a bipartisan screwup with many chances missed to fix the situation.

Obama intro'd a mortgage fraud bill twice in the Dem Congress and it went nowhere.

However, you sought to blame the Democrats and Democrats only and that was not true.

"If you google on "1999 Fannie Mae" the first hit is for a NYTimes article talking about the Fannie/Freddie deregulation."

Um that article talks about easing credit requirements by Fannie Mae under pressure from the Clinton admin, not regulation of the industry.

""Ryan the slience on many of these issues I countered and have asked you about is deafening"

Really?

I've asked you repeatedly to back up your claim on how the Democrats blocked regulation and you cannot.

Posted by: Ryan C"

Last post since I have to go. I'm not paid to blog.

I provided a quote directly from Barney regarding democratic opposition to this legislation. Consult the regulation or do some basic google searches like I provided search criteria for and you'll find the answers. It is that simple.

"Ryan the slience on many of these issues I countered and have asked you about is deafening"

Really?

I've asked you repeatedly to back up your claim on how the Democrats blocked regulation and you cannot.

"Thank you. I wanted you to be the one to post that democrats had an advantage in the senate in 2001 since if I forwarded that notion that republicans were not in charge of congress in 2001 you would have refuted it."

Why would I have? I know the Democrats had a power sharing agreement in teh Senate for about a year and half before the 108th session of Congress took over.

"So how again is it that "democrats didn't block Fannie/Freddie deregulation?""

The regulation was first intro'd by Chuck Hagel as S1058 in 2003 (ie when the GOP was in full control). It went nowhere.

Hagel intro'd it again in 2005 (S190). It died in committee.

In may of 2006, McCain became a cosponsor of S190 and gave a floor speech on it. The bill went nowhere.

Able thanks for the debate. You seem like a level headed person. We disagree but both appear to have logical based assertions behind our belief.

If you google on "1999 Fannie Mae" the first hit is for a NYTimes article talking about the Fannie/Freddie deregulation.

If you google" 2003 barney fannie mae" a few hits down is another query.nytimes article regarding the republicans attempted legislation and democrats' resistance.

Figure I'll provide this info since you sound generally interested in examining the situation regardless of who is at fault.

I'll talk straight with ya whether I answer the question the moderator or you wants a crap sandwich on the e-bay. I make my diverse family mad waving the white flag at the creeping gay-lesbian agenda but if I wink the pundits will get back to ya. Charlie.

"I would say yes otherwise its messed up that average citizens have more responsibility when applying for a job than a president of the united states."

Well you woudl be wrong then.

Part of the application process is the 4th estate.

The 4th estate has reviewed both candidates Constitutional qualifications and have found that they meet them.

Instead of worrying about Obama and his bc, can you make a plausible case why a man born in the Panama Canal Zone is a natural born citizen?

I only ask as an innocent bystander ;-)

Good luck on this thread all. Ryan the slience on many of these issues I countered and have asked you about is deafening. Are the google searches not pulling back an effective argument? Lol.

"5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate."

Clean coal and coal are not the same thing.

Looks like you source (the McCain campaign) is full of it.