Palin Charges Against Obama Seem to Move from Socialism to Communism

There should be a rule in politics that before you accuse someone of something, you need to actually know what that thing is

Calling Obama, or even just his economic plan, "socialist" is inane.

On the other hand, what apparently *is* a rule in the McCain campaign is that you can accuse your opponent of something only if you've done or said the same thing yourself, but to an even greater extent.

Case in point: here's what John McCain himself has said:

"Look, here's what I really believe: That when you are, when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

Ayers describes himself as a communist with a little "c".

Other than actually bombing US sites, what else does Obama disagree with Ayers?

indy_voter

Socialism per Wikipedia:

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.

Does this sound familiar?

OK, there is a lot of speculation about Obama's relationship with Antoin (Tony) Rezko.
This is it.
Barack Obama and Tony Rezko

Antoin (Tony) Rezko is an American political fundraiser, restauranteur and real estate developer in Chicago, Illinois, convicted on several counts of fraud and bribery in 2008. Rezko has been involved in fundraising for local Illinois Democratic and Republican politicians since the 1980s.

I should say at this point that Tony Rezko did contribute to Obama's Illinois Senate campaign. Rezko contributed to many politicians campaigns. He was a major mover and shaker in Chicago politics and was heavily involved in the fundraisers of them, Democrats and Republicans alike. In Chicago it was hard to find someone that Tony Rezko didn't have some kind of dealings with. The question is, did Obama do anything illegal or even close to illegal?

After Barack Obama was elected to the Harvard Law review, Tony Rezko's company, Rezmar Corp. offered him a job, which Obama turned down.

What real dealings did Barack Obama have with a Rezko?

Barack Obama wanted to buy a certain house, but the realtor said it was a package deal with the property behind it. He knew Tony Rezko, and even knew Rezko was under investigation by the F.B.I., but Obama brought up to Rezko about the house and property, at a mutual acquaintance's party. Tony Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, said she would buy the property, while Obama bought the house, therefor agreeing to the realtor's and the owner's terms.
A year later, Obama additionally bought a strip of that property from Rita Rezko to increase his backyard's size.
In all of Tony Rezko's (and Rita Rezko's) dealings investigated by the F.B.I., there was never any illegal dealings with Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama has said it was a "bone-headed decision he made", seen as Rezko was being investigated by the F.B.I. at the time and he "should have known better".
I agree, I think he should have known better too. What a dumb butt. Bet he won't do that again.

No one is perfect. But it is a nice house.

Everytime this woman speaks she confirms what an idiot she is.

dave in iv
re: 'Who do you believe?'

Looks like the country doesn't believe you or the republicans......and it get worse for you every day..........a complete and total rejection of the neo-conservative/republican dogma of the last 30 years........ good riddance ...... it will be interesting to see how much damage Bush & Co. can do in the remainder of the year to leave a complete 'scorched earth' policy for Obama.

Dave writes, "Who do you believe?"
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I will tell you who I don't believe..You. (lol) What you just wrote is nothing short of a lie. The information available to day pretty much allows anyone who is worth his/her salt to discern between fact and fiction. You my friend, pure fiction.

Dave: And the real problem is two fold. Why would he have these types of relationships with these types of people and think nothing of it? And secondly, why would he lie about them afterwards? It is a very tangled web he has woven... and he is very good with words and "technically accurate" statements... after all, he was a lawyer (no offense to lawyers but we all know that they are the best at what they get paid to do, which is to find legal loopholes and convince the other side that they or their client is innocent).

Obama claims he hardly ever met Rezko, or just a few times at most.

The FBI has Obama meeting with him weekly.

Who do you believe?

Obama claims Ayers was just some guy in the neighborhood.

Yet his wife was friends with Ayers' wife for 17 years. Ayers foundation gave Obama a job as chairman of the boeard. Obama directed millions of dollars to groups founded by Ayers. Obama's coming out party was in Ayers' living room.

Who do you believe?

fraggenboots: I nearly forgot about Saul Alinsky... there are so many ties to keep up with.

On one hand, I don't believe the president really has as much power as we'd like to believe that he does... but with ties like this... I really don't care to take the chance to find out otherwise.

This has been one of more pleasant sessions here for quite awhile. The right to vote for the candidate of your choice is the cornerstone of our government. I only ask that you make the decision wisely as all of our futures are at stake. I need to go for now but will be back later. Thanks to all for your ideas and comments done with better taste than some I have heard other days.

A Veteran: "We need term limits for congress also as we do for the President. That way new congressmen and women can't be pulled aside and told to toe the party line if you want a future here.
Actually I am for some form of no party government. That way there would be no Partisian politics. Most good politicians already believe that both sides have good ideas."

I strongly agree with the term limits for congress. You may lose a few good ones but also you can get rid of the idiots and get new ideas and thoughts in there. You hit the nail on the head with that one. The president is just a figurehead and messenger to the people, that does what everyone else wants him to do. Oh, he may make a change or two that he wants... along the lines of social issues. but in the long run, it's the same old thing.

Just imagine if we had a government full of people such as yourself. Now THAT I could dream of. But to dream that a president is going to make the changes they promise, given our current government, and it's structure, and the career politicians in there? No way!

fraggenboots

You are entirely welcome and Thank you also. It is nice to hear from people who understand history. The past does dictate the future, always has. There was a quote from Abe Lincoln: "There are no accidents in my philosophy. Every effect must have its cause. The past is the cause of the present, and the present will be the cause of the future. All these are links in the endless chain stretching from the finite to the infinite

All, you think that BO refuses to release college transcripts because he took certain classes? No! Why did Saul Alinsky's son claim that BO was a student of his? Saul Alinsky and Ayers are both Communist (actually, Ayers said in 2001 in an article, that he was communist with a little "c" to mark the difference).

A Veteran,

I would agree with the caveat the Iraqi government works out an acceptable agreement. If not, then they are choosing to do it on their own.

We need term limits for congress also as we do for the President. That way new congressmen and women can't be pulled aside and told to toe the party line if you want a future here.
Actually I am for some form of no party government. That way there would be no Partisian politics. Most good politicians already believe that both sides have good ideas. I don't have a clue really on how it could be implemented, I wish I did.

Dear A Veteran,
I would like to thank you for your service to country. It is an honor to know that there were men and women who answered the call during those times. As for your comments, I am very glad you have not stooped to the low road like many here for done so. I do urge all to inspect the candidates RECORDS and not their RHETORIC to see who will lead more effectively. Yes, in this case, the PAST will dictate the FUTURE. Thanks again, sir.

msa123
Never stop dreaming. We need to continue if not for us then our children and grandchildren. It is possible but it take the little people like us to make it happen. We need to make demands of those who represent us, tell them how we want them to vote. Tell them if they want our vote for the next election they will follow our wishes. Meanwhile we need to start teaching our children that greed and lust for power is the wrong path in life. No greater satisfaction comes than by helping your fellow man. If you play the stock market which I don't start questioning more the salaries of the ceo's. If they want to take jobs away overseas everyone should sell their shares of that stock. I guess what I am trying to say is we the little people need to stay with the political process more even after the election is done. Hold them to their promises made.

I agree with you, A Veteran, and as usual, Obama has waffled on this issue as well. He waits until something is obvious and then is either for or against it based on the outcome. He has no principles. Or they are 'after the fact' principles. Just like his 20 yr delayed severing of ties with his minister. The list goes on and on.

This is one of my concerns.

To pull our troops out prematurely would be a disaster. If we did Al_Quaeda would flow into that country like the waters from the flood of Noah. They would take Iraq over, Bin Laden would probably set himself there also. What then? Go back in?? Leave Afghanistan to go back to Iraq? The Iraq govenment is making progress and still needs time to solidify itself. Does anyone else think this or am I just totally wrong.