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Poll Cats: New Battleground Polls

October 15, 2008 1:38 PM

From Time/CNN:

COLORADO: Obama 51, McCain 47
FLORIDA: Obama 51, McCain 46
GEORGIA: McCain 53, Obama 45
MISSOURI: McCain 49, Obama 48
VIRGINIA: Obama 53, McCain 43

- jpt

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If you believe those state poll numbers, I have a bridge to sell you. Americans are not stupid (well, most anyway) and they will not elect a Communist. They know better. These polls are meant to keep McCain supporters home because they will think it his hopeless, Obama has this locked. They couldn't be more wrong. Just wait for the turnout and the rush by Americans to make sure a Chavez or Castro does not win this election. Go McCain (even though I don't like you either)

Posted by: George | Oct 16, 2008 1:37:00 PM

Ryan C:

Understood...talk tomorrow...

Posted by: Wade | Oct 15, 2008 9:17:00 PM

Electoral votes. 270 needed
to win.

Bam 277

Mac 174

Up for grabs 87

Posted by: anon | Oct 15, 2008 8:32:01 PM

Wade,

As a cheap cop out, I must leave.

But it is always a pleasure.

But I want to go into taxes on business beyond small business and I understand your concern with them restraining a recession pullout.

Say tomorrow? Find me here and we can go over it.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 8:20:50 PM

Agreed, but you are wrong on Obama's tax plan...I appreciate you reaching out to me on this.

He will "eliminate loopholes" that means a raise...because that's how businesses get the taxes down to a reasonable level...there won't be a corresponding cut. Plus that is about as generic a statement as can be. Same with "Maverick(y)" to be fair...

Small businesses can make well over 250K and still be "small," believe me.

I have seen businesses much bigger than that struggle...

My point is, what is the specific level where you don't get the credit? $300K? Is that too big?

You also didn't address his upper limit...he doesn't have one...I can't find it anyway.

Also, this mantra about small businesses and the "middle class" is great, I agree they are *awesome*, but what about medium and even big? Don't they do anything? What about Apple and Google...they are big and good right? Don't tell me they would turn down a cut and be able to be more profitable and do more stuff that's "good"

Sorry, I used to see it your way, but I have seen too many tax situations where a nice chunk for someone who worked hard and is frugal, not rich by any means, but fairly well off, got turned into...eh, better than nothing, sorry. And the results? Who knows? It's like throwing your money into a whirlwind...it removes incentive to do well.


It's particularly worrisome when Obama has a history of allowing money to go to unproven and sketchy orgs...see the real results of the Annenberg challenge (nothing achieved, consciousness raised big time). Just say "organizer" and people think you are Jesus. Well at least Laura Linney does. :)

I am just extremely skeptical of Obama's promises...I don't buy em. He can't do everything and balance the budget too.

I would rather have McCain and Giuliani in there (I know, wishful thinking, thanks to the pro-life folks) who would at least do less and get out of the way to a greater extent, plus McCain would handle the war better. Obama is lucky, he gets to take credit for what McCain achieved by demanding more troops. Of course, if things still sucked over there as bad as last year, Obama wins because he could say the measures were a failure just like he said...he may just be the dems teflon, with the help of the easy softballs by the press...
Random thoughts

BTW, I just don't buy that people can't do anything, the attitude is like we are in the 19th century working in coal mines...Obama went to school, I went to school and you probably went to school...we did it, wasn't super easy, but there has to be some kind of effort...

I don't like the idea that 71% of Obama supporters do not believe that Supreme Court rulings should not be based on the Constitution, but what's "right"

That gets scary--who decides? Who decides what ability and need are?

I don't want Howard Zinn to be the FIRST book students read, but one in the middle after some other stuff like Ambrose. Get me? Challenge but do not usurp, because that is throwing the baby out...we are the best of the worst, by far.

Posted by: Wade | Oct 15, 2008 7:47:04 PM

"What if you have a "medium" business? What is a non-small business according to Obama's plan? Any credits there? Where does the small business category end? Details? Also, why only small businesses"

Small business is the primary job creation engine in this country.

Obama does not plan on raising corporate taxes (though he will not cut them as McCain will).

What he will do is remove tax breaks for companies that move jobs off shore and create tax incentives for keeping jobs here.

The elimination of capital gains is for small business. Small business is a classification by the government(don't have the qualifier off hand) but its not limited to under $250K.

I agree there are no miracles cures but hear me out on this Wade.

Tax cuts for the middle class put more income in the hands of the largest market of buyers of goods.

Tax cuts for small biz investments and assistance and health care means more jobs created.

Both of those things tend to spur an economy.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 7:15:20 PM

Ryan, you got the cut and paste down...you may win and if so I will congratulate you. (cross fingers no, looking pretty bleak though...you never know, the polls might be funky as they were in the primaries toward the end...)

We shall see on Obama's miracle cures, color me skeptical.

What if you have a "medium" business? What is a non-small business according to Obama's plan? Any credits there? Where does the small business category end? Details? Also, why only small businesses? Look I know that the "middle class" is the "engine" that does everything, but medium and large businesses do something too, right? What about HUGE businesses who are going to get taxed more, up to 5% more than now...is that an incentive to recreate the manufacturing base in the US,that everyone is always crying about?

My plan would be to allow business a lower tax rate of 25%, BUT only allow the companies to pay their share in foreign taxes, and then the rest to the US. So if they paid 15% in Belarus or whatever, they would pay 10% to the US...for 25% total. I dunno just an idea I had...we can argue about how much, of course...

Businesses that are not involved in investment do not see a benefit from a capital gains elimination...so what Obama is offering is "small" investment houses over $250K and under ? and maybe some VERY small real estate companies would benefit..are there a lot of those?...that is basically like giving almost nothing.

And the green jobs? We shall see...sounds like a monorail type situation to me...lot of cost, some benefit, not a miracle cure by any means. Let the waters begin receding...can't wait to see Obama try to wiggle out of every failure. Just like a lawyer...


Posted by: Wade | Oct 15, 2008 7:07:26 PM

What is this obsession with ACORN?

1) The Obama campaign paid ACORN $800,000 to canvass (not register voters) during the primaries.

2) They've had no role in the Obama voter registration drive and no role in the Obama campaign.

3) ACORN is required to return all voter registration forms to local registrars. Before doing so, ACORN reviews registrations and identifies any they believe to be problematic.

4) If anyone's getting ripped off, it's ACORN which has been paying people to register voters and getting scammed in return.

5) If ACORN is such a nefarious, criminal enterprise, why was McCain their 2006 keynote speaker? Why did he tell them they were part of what made America great?

6) This is voter registration rather than vote fraud. I trust that all of you who are so concerned with ACORN's voter registration screw ups will be equally concerned about maintaining the integrity of the actual voting and vote counting processes.

We've had some real problems with those parts of the process during the last eight years and they haven't had a thing to do with ACORN.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | Oct 15, 2008 6:49:06 PM

"your boss will think more about cutting your job if he is in a "small" business above $250K GROSS a year. "

Obama's 50% health credit for small business health plans, hiring incentives & no capital gains taxes on small biz investment more than offset any taxes for the small biz owner on income.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 5:38:01 PM

If Obama wins, get ready for the Amtrak economy, popularity in Europe, and trouble brewing in Iran, Iraq, and the PDRK. Can't wait to see those summits...they are gonna love Obama.

Tax plan will change once he is in office...spending will be high...gas on the fire.

Cuts will expire...your boss will think more about cutting your job if he is in a "small" business above $250K GROSS a year. HUGE bu

If its a C-corp or S-Corp, he or she already is, because Obama makes no bones about jacking the rate back up...

Come back at me with all the plan spin you like...we shall see.

Will he investigate Bush for war crimes? He said he would. Will he create a civilian corps as big as the military? He said he would...what does that mean?

See results of Annenberg challenge for blueprint of his success with education reform. More "grass roots" enlightenment of awareness of oppression, no change in performance...

Hey I like that! Obama / Biden - Amtrak Economy...


Posted by: Wade | Oct 15, 2008 5:30:51 PM

'Helping the poor, fighting against injustice and corruption, intelligence coupled ..........'

and is he faster then a speeding bullet?
able to jump higher than the tallest building?

run faster than a speeding train?

Then his name is "superman" and B O is just a "pretender" an empty sham is what he am.......

Shucks!

I knew that all along!

Posted by: hmmmmm | Oct 15, 2008 4:45:59 PM

Folks the candidates are all good and capable! Let's just wait for the results come Nov 4

Posted by: Root crop | Oct 15, 2008 4:38:34 PM

RYAN:
"YOU are being played by the left wing media which does not care if you are humiliated when called out for repeating lies."

Posted by: hmmmmm | Oct 15, 2008 4:34:53 PM

""Citizen Service Inc.." is a PART
of Acorn!!!!!"

Yes, its a specific subsidiary tasked with doing specific tasks like voter canvassing (ie: knocking on doors and taking surveys) and they did that work this spring.

They were not paid for voter registration.

I know its hard looking at your candidate getting blown out on the polls and hoping against hope that some scandal will take Obama down but its not going to happen.

You are being played by the right wing media which does not care if you are humiliated when called out for repeating lies.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 4:32:29 PM

come on Ryan:

"Citizen Service Inc.." is a PART
of Acorn!!!!!

and acorns never land far from the tree..... not even rotten ones.

Posted by: hmmmmm | Oct 15, 2008 4:21:19 PM

"They paid ACORN over $800,000 for "canvassing" "

They paid Citizen Service Inc..

At least get the basic facts of your smear right.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 4:13:59 PM

"Isn't it remarkable that a governor who entered the fray with an 80 percent approval rating"

Her approval rating has been dropping like a stone ever since she has embarrassed Alaska by being a complete moron.

Now she might get impeached.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 4:13:17 PM

ryanc:

"Obama paid Citizen Services Inc. around $800K for canvassing efforts this spring. "

They paid ACORN over $800,000 for "canvassing" and literally changing the canvas of the election by messing with the voter registration rolls and in so doing, they have painted a totally false .. and fraudulent picture!

Is this the kind of change we can look forward to should B O win?

hmmmmmmmmm?

Posted by: hmmmmm | Oct 15, 2008 3:56:12 PM

"and what about that large disbursement of Obama's to A C O R N.

what do you think THAT was for, hmmmmm"

Obama paid Citizen Services Inc. around $800K for canvassing efforts this spring.

Bring on the next fake right wing scandal.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 3:41:49 PM

"The Alaska state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of Walt Monegan as public safety commissioner has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.

The investigator, Tim Petumenos, did not say who else is under scrutiny. But in two recent letters describing his inquiry, he cited the consolidation of complaints and the involvement of other officials as a reason for not going along with Palin's request to make the examination of her activities more public.

Two other ethics complaints involving Palin are known. One, by activist Andree McLeod, alleges that state hiring practices were circumvented for a Palin supporter. The case is not related to Monegan's firing. The other, by the Public Safety Employees Association, alleges that trooper Mike Wooten's personnel file was illegally breached by state officials."

Filed under be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 3:38:42 PM

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