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Voter Fraud, Voter Suppression
October 10, 2008 10:35 AM
This week in Nevada, Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller led authorities to seize records from the local ACORN office which, Miller charged, has submitted myriad fraudulent voter-registration forms, including those using duplicated information, false information, and forms filled out for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.
"Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4," Miller said.
ACORN voter registration drives are also under scrutiny in Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Wisconsin.
"The fact is, this is hard work and there were some people that probably sat down on a couch and filled out names out of a phone book," Matthew Henderson, Southwest regional director for ACORN, told the Associated Press. "That's really what we're talking about here — not an attempt to steal an election."
But on the other side of the political spectrum are legitimate concerns about improper voter purges amounting to voter suppression.
The U.S. Department of Justice, for instance, this week said that Georgia's actions to verify identity and citizenship appear to violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The Brennan Center for Justice has issued a new report criticizing the way voter "purges" are conducted: "Officials strike voters from the rolls through a process that is shrouded in secrecy, prone to error, and vulnerable to manipulation."
The New York Times reviewed state records and Social Security records and concluded that "(t)ens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law" -- the six battleground states being Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada, and North Carolina.
“These purges are in violation of federal law, including the National Voter Registration Act, which prohibits such purges of voters 90 days before a federal election," Laughlin McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project said in a statement. “Of course, states should update their voter lists with accurate information, but they should do so in a way that complies with the law and is not driven by partisan bias and does not have an adverse impact on racial and language minorities. Regrettably, our past and recent history is filled with examples of partisan bias driving voter purging and vote suppression. If these practices are allowed to continue, we could see thousands of eligible voters show up on Election Day, only to find that they were removed from the rolls."
There's a case to be made to voters that any news organization, candidate, or political party that acts as if one of these two issues is a problem, but ignores the other, is only concerned about their side winning, as opposed to caring about a clean and orderly and fair election.
Most Americans, I would guess, do not see it that way. Americans are a fair-minded people who believe the election should be clean, and every eligible voter should be allowed to cast his or her ballot, without either fraud or suppression. It seems to me there's an opening for either Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to talk about how both voter fraud and voter suppression are wrong and should be prevented. But I bet neither one will.
- jpt
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What a crime to avail the right to vote to everyone! How horrendous to fight redlining, only the rich should have credit available to them! (Which they already do, if they happen to be executives in large corporations, at an extremely low interest rate!)
Do you guys actually listen to yourselves when you communicate? I am not in the least bit worried about somebody registering a bogus name except for the fact that the name gatherer is committing fraud against the agency who is paying and not doing his/her job, but when it comes to voting, you come to a specific polling place, you show ID (which I think is next to being a poll tax), show a voting registration card (which I think is necessary), find your name and write your signature (which is checked against the signature on your registration card) and vote, sometimes after waiting for up to a half hour depending on the turnout.
I would think you would have to pay someone quite a bit of money to do this more than once, plus they would have to do it in less than 12 hours! What nonsense!
As for having more voters than are registered, that is election fraud, which was proven without doubt for both the 2000 and 2004 elections, but not federally prosecuted due the nature of our corrupt Department of Justice that prosecute only who the administration dictates they should prosecute.
In my state you are now required a pictured ID card. For those of us who drive, this is not much of an issue, but for those who don't, you could either get an absentee ballot, or go on-line (so access to a computer) or find the phone number of a government worker who could advise you as to what documents are acceptable as proof of who you are and where you live, arrange for transportation to take these to a department of licensing office, get a number for your place in the que, wait from 30 minutes to 2 hours until your number is called (if you are physically able), get a picture taken and pay $20.
So
1) you have to have the right documents
2) you must find a way to get to the licensing office
3) you must have the leisure of having to wait and still have transportation home
4) you must be physically able to travel and wait
5) you must pay $20
This was never required before, and I think it is an undue hardship, especially for people dependent on others who should have the right to vote. Much of the documents required refer to bills or documents that a homeowner would accrue, but what of a dependent, be it elderly, or younger without a driver's license? As our economy worsens more and more extended families are living in one abode, does that mean only the owners have a right to vote? Doesn't this go back to one person, one vote?
Where are your values?
Don't you think that all should have a voice in who are leaders should be?
And remember this: the "news" organization that espouses the view that voting fraud is a paramount problem for the nation and for whom O'Reilly works once won a lawsuit defending its right NOT TO TELL THE TRUTH as the FCC states that telling the truth is a guideline not a statute, and they had plenty of "friends" who included themselves.
Attorney General David Iglesia was fired because he could not find enough evidence of voter fraud to prosecute.
Posted by: Nancy | Oct 13, 2008 11:03:50 AM
I'll vote for, nice try but ACORN has been doing this for many years. And we now know that Sen. Obama used to be the executive director of the voter registration arm of the Chicago branch of ACORN.
Incidentally, a former ACORN Miami-Dade field Director, Mac Stuart, is now claiming that his job assignment was to come up with 103,000 new voter registrations in Dade County. He claims that ACORN threw out Republican registrations and paid for Democratic registrations. AND Mr. Stuart stated: "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started."
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 12, 2008 8:15:07 AM
At the risk of sounding paranoid, has it occurred to anyone that it would be a simple matter for the McCain campaign or the RNC to place moles at ACORN and create this mess for the purpose of giving them an opportunity to cry foul? Sounds crazy right?
I have two words for you: Karl Rove.
Posted by: I'll vote for | Oct 12, 2008 4:36:15 AM
I've worked on voter registration by standing on a street corner and helping people fill out the forms. Sometimes, they take the forms home with them to fill out and mail in. Are you suggesting that giving someone a registration form that they then fill out incorrectly is the fault of the person providing the form? That is patently absurd. Providing people with the opportunity to fill out a registration form is not the same thing as voter fraud, as the justice department well knows from investigating ACORN in the past.
Posted by: Hillary Girl for Obama | Oct 12, 2008 4:27:09 AM
All you "get ACORN" nuts act like these were all just turned in yesterday! These were turned in over a period of something like 14 months, and the ACORN employees who were discovered have been terminated. ACORN itself informed state officials about the questionable registrations collected by its employees that are now under investigation.
The fact is ACORN has been a target for the GOP for years because they work to register voters in some of the "not so well off" neighborhoods, and the GOP doesn't want those people to vote. Some ACORN employees did improper things and they were fired. A couple thousand fraudulent registrations are under investigation, out of 1.3 million! It is sad that these employees have tainted the election process, however, election fraud has gone on with BOTH SIDES for decades. This is not new, and it shouldn't even be news.
Yes, Senator Obama has a few ties to ACORN...
Posted by: summer | Oct 11, 2008 9:51:20 AM
ubu1991, ACORN has been in the business of voter registration for years. And every year there are thousands if not tens of thousands of the fraudulent voter registration cards all across the country. While I agree with you that an organization that does not "preserve the integrity of voter registration" should lose the right to register voters, I won't hold my breath. A Democratically controlled Congress will never stop these abuses. I learned that back in 1996, when the Democrats actually registered tens of thousands of illegal immigrants before they became American citizens--but they were to be naturalized prior to the election--in California. They cited the policy of allowing 17-year-olds being allow to register as long as they turned 18 before the election. The problem is, when you sign the card, you are stating that you ARE an American Citizen. With regards to the age requirement, the law allows this; and you sign the card that states that you will be 18 before the election. Unfortunately these illegal votes were allowed to stand.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 11, 2008 9:46:12 AM
Josh, if a homeless person is able to receive mail at a particular shelter, then I say fine. Register the individual and let him or her vote. That is the key. But if that homeless shelter does not allow mail for their residents, then sorry the answer is no. You need a mailing address. Now that might seem cruel, but apparently some Democrats find it cruel that we require voters to be American citizens!
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 11, 2008 9:31:10 AM
Unfortuniately because of ACORN and the likes of ACORN, it has become necessary to examine closely the process of ensuring that only qualified voters participate in our election. ACORN knew or should have known since at least April when 8 were convicted that its employees were turning in fraudulent voter registration. They admit it above. I am agasht that ACORN instituted no steps to supervise its employees as they register voters. If they are unable or unwilling to preserve the integrity of voter registration then they should no longer be allowed to register voters!
Posted by: ubu1991 | Oct 11, 2008 8:23:29 AM
Not being able to prove who you are opens the door to fraud.
Some states provide free voter picture id cards. We should make it nation wide.
Posted by: Emm | Oct 11, 2008 8:07:58 AM
I was just wathcin Hannity and Combs talking about this and one of their guests actually condemed ACORN for registering people at homeless shelters. I would like to know what is wrong with registering homeless people do they not have the right to vote because they don't have a home. The right to vote is a fundemental right of all Americans except people who have lost that right by committing felonies. Based on the views of these ultra conservatives if our economy continues to crash none of us will have the right to vote because we will all be homeless.
That is one of the reasons that voters should not ahve to provide a state ID to vote is because there are homeless people in the country and they don't have an ID because states charge for ID cards and also require that you have an address on those ID cards. I would like to know if anyone out there agrees that homeless people should not be able to vote.
Posted by: Josh | Oct 11, 2008 6:06:31 AM
This is SO OLD, actually the United States Naturalization Act of January 29, 1795 repealed the 1790 act.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 10, 2008 9:04:26 PM
James wrote: "But In 1964, the Supreme Court ruled that 'natural born' meant born inside the United States."
Actually the U. S. Supreme Court has never ruled on the term "natural born" citizen. The U. S. Supreme Court ruling in the 1964 case, Schneider v. Rusk, pertained to "native-born" citizens. A "native-born" citizen is one who was born within the boundaries.
The U. S. Supreme Court is not allowed to hear hypothetical cases. Therefore, not until we actually have an individual ELECTED president who would fit the parameters can they hear the case. Being a nominee does not open the door for a lawsuit. In fact, Barry Goldwater was a good example. He was born in the Arizona Territory. Had he won the 1964 Presidential election, then there would have been lawsuits filed and the U. S. Supreme Court could have heard the case.
There is no doubt that should Sen. McCain win the election in November that there will be lawsuits claiming that he is not eligible under the term "natural born" citizen. Only then can the U. S. Supreme Court rule on the term "natural born" citizen.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 10, 2008 8:49:53 PM
James wrote: "THESE PEOPLE HAVENT VOTED AND BASED ON HISTORY WONT!"
That is simply NOT TRUE! In 2004, there was a county in Washington State, that actually had more votes cast than registered voters. There are many counties across the United States that have identified votes CAST--by individuals that had been deceased for years--and COUNTED.
Those of you who believe that these fraudulent voter registration cards are the work of just a few bad individuals are wrong. ACORN knows that their workers will cheat since they are paid per registration card. They have been doing this for years. And they continue to pay per registration card.
Congress should pass a law prohibiting organizations from paying ANYONE for registering voters. This should be done on a voluntary basis only.
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 10, 2008 8:04:56 PM
At the rate they're finding fraudulent voter registrations none of the newly registered votes should be counted if the state cannot validate them by or before the deadline - especially those from ACORN and FAITHVOTE who have a significant number of fraudulent registrations to their credit.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 10, 2008 5:51:17 PM
MayBee: To register to vote no one needs ID---all you need do is pick up a form, fill it out, turn it in or mail it. When it's time to vote you need your registration card or an ID and that is checked against the list the poll workers have at the voting site. If your name isn't on the list you are either at the wrong polling place or your not registered.
Posted by: George | Oct 10, 2008 5:09:55 PM
"Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4," Miller said.
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That's cute.
But not every election worker knows who Terrell Owens is, or that it's the name of a famous person. If someone walks up to the table and says "Hi, my name is Terrell Owens", on what basis is the non-football fan volunteer poll worker going to doubt him? If they can't ask for ID, that is?
Posted by: MayBee | Oct 10, 2008 4:49:04 PM
Who cares about ACORN.
Posted by: McHooverville | Oct 10, 2008 4:35:17 PM
Woody, I thought the Rep. tried to do this but it got turn down by the Dems. Plus the ACLU said you are infringing on that individual rights. I think it would help solve voter fraud, but then to think of it....it wouldn't because someone will get a fake ID and vote, and then the real person comes in and wants to vote and can't because they already voted. I say go with the thumb print, it would be harder to forge. But then ACORN & the Dems would have individuals mailling in their votes. There is no way to prove that this is the individual that voted or some ACORN employee voting for him or her.
Posted by: 55Mariposa | Oct 10, 2008 4:34:34 PM
cincyr??? these are NOT FACTS
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.
YES HE WAS
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
YES HE DID
• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.
YES IT WAS... and just stating something as "fact" does not make it so...
I think you need to look up the definition of "fact" You obviously you don't have a clue about non-profits.
Posted by: hummingbird | Oct 10, 2008 4:10:08 PM
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.
Posted by: emma | Oct 10, 2008 3:04:16 PM
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