Voter Fraud, Voter Suppression

James,

Glad I could provide a laugh, but you're logic defies, well, logic.

BTW, I agree that McCain doesn't have a prayer and that's fine with me. As long as Obama/Pelosi/Reid don't completely destroy what's left of the country it's setting up nicely for my guy in '12.

Woody you not being honest so its not worth the conversation..

The fact you posted both statements together makes me laugh though!

McCain wont be President but I hope the Three court cases going will be continued after the election!

"Supreme Court SCHNEIDER v. RUSK, 377 U.S. 163 1964

"The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the "natural born" citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II"

The only differnce between the two..... is one can be President"

Dude, where do you see anything in this language that defines what a "natural born" citizen is? "Native born" does not equal "natural born". Therein lies the rub.

The only thing this statement says declaritively is all citizens of the US, no matter how that citizenship is attained, are afforded the same rights and protections under the law. And hooray for that! It very distinctly does not equate "native born" with "natural born". The author had an opportunity to do so and declined.

People wake up this election is rigged the mainstream media is so in the tank for Obama it is sickening. The democrats seem to be able to do what they want, I guess we need to make sure they get more money.

"The Affordable Housing Fund Trust goes to state and local governments. Same with the Capital Magnet Fund.

Once that happens the Feds have little say over how the state & local government choose to spend that money provided they are following federal law."

I'll take your word on the funding process. If it is as you've stated and the Feds have little direct control over state distributions they still plenty of options. They could withold funding in its entirety to any state that is passing it along to ACORN until they have a guarantee from the state that ACORN will be shut off, much like they can withold education money for failing school systems or highway money for cities that fail EPA clean air standards. Federal money always comes with strings attached. That's how they weild their influence, and one of their favorite tricks is to punish all for the sins of a few.

"And I think it would be highly discriminatory(from a legal sense, not racial)to single out one organization be prevented receiving the grants."

Discriminatory? Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. States are duty bound as caretakers of the public trust to be discriminatory (in the legal sense of course). They must apply a discriminating litmus test to recipients of funds in order to identify and disqualify corrupt or criminal organizations.

ACORN workers should not be submitting fraudulent voter registation forms AND swing states should not be purging the voter rolls this close to an election. They had 4 years to remove those that are ineligible to vote.

I happen to think that purging the voter rolls is worse because it is taking away someone's right to vote whereas the fraudulent voter registration forms just makes it look like more people registered than was actually the case.

I have read through most of these posts and have come to the conclusion that the Obama supporters want to see America's descent into socialism completed. You can tell by the kids today (who believe that everyone owes them) that the parents have created the expectation of socialism in our society.

The problem with the voting fraud issue is that it will not make any difference in the outcome of the election. However, it does say volumes about Obama. But America has become enamored with "making history" rather than ensuring our future.

Hopefully not too much damage will be done in the next 4 years to the core of our Republic. But at least I will know that I will have voted my conscience, lived with honor, and worked with determination.

I respect the right of everyone who is a citizen to vote for whomever they wish to. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I am a citizen of the greatest country there is and am saddened and disgusted by what I see from both sides. You want a revolution? You want real change? Vote no for both Obama and McCain and demand better. The lesser of two evils is not a choice, it is an abomination.

Woody

Supreme Court SCHNEIDER v. RUSK, 377 U.S. 163 1964

"The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the "natural born" citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II"

The only differnce between the two..... is one can be President

Obama made over $800,000 in payments to ACORN by secretly funneling it through another group. When caught red handed, Obama’s campaign agree to amend the federal report.

This smells like the millions in $ from questionable donors (like illegal donors to Obama from individuals in Palestine). Unlike McCain, Obama’s camp refuses to disclose the identities of these guys.

A quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy.

"Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for STate Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

jpt writes:
"Americans are a fair-minded people who believe the election should be clean, and every eligible voter should be allowed to cast his or her ballot, without either fraud or suppression."
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Clearly SOME Americans -- the political class -- are NOT so "fair-minded".

"Democratic" nominee Obama has gotten where he is now by suppressing the right of opposition candidates even to APPEAR on the ballot in Illinois, then offing an opponent by the timely disclosure of a sex scandal, then by offing other presidential candidates with a "racism" ploy so ridiculous that it was, in itself, racist.

Add to this that the "Democrats" rushed to turn the Treasury over to the corporations, and there are a zillion reasons NOT to vote for them, ever again.

Vote for Nader. You won't be sorry.

What is difference between voter fraud in the U.S., Russia, Venezuela, Simbabwe and Iran?
Answer: Only the U.S. has ACORN.

"Obama campaign has direct ties to ACORN and they tried to hide the $800,000 they gave to ACORN to help them get the voter"

Hiding? The reason you know about it is because it was reported in their FEC filings.

Right wingers are nuts.

"Can't say for sure because their ledgers are hard to find, but maybe the Affordable Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund?"

The Affordable Housing Fund Trust goes to state and local governments. Same with the Capital Magnet Fund.

Once that happens the Feds have little say over how the state & local government choose to spend that money provided they are following federal law.

And I think it would be highly discriminatory(from a legal sense, not racial)to single out one organization be prevented receiving the grants.

Obama campaign has direct ties to ACORN and they tried to hide the $800,000 they gave to ACORN to help them get the voter fraud up and running, even more.
THIS ELECTION IS RIGGED FOLKS AND WILL BE LITIGATED AND WE WILL HAVE NO PRESIDENT ON 11/5.

"What federal funding is any does ACORN receive?"

Can't say for sure because their ledgers are hard to find, but maybe the Affordable Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund?

• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.

• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.

James,

For the last time, as Ryan stated, the Supremes have never ruled on the definition of "natural born citizen". Furthermore, McCain's status is covered as a natural-born citizen under Title 8 of the US Code which lists the criteria for "citizens of the United States at birth".

USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."

If the filers of this lawsuit you keep referring to want the Supreme Court to rule that "citizen of the United States at birth" is somehow different than "natural born citizen" they are welcome to it, but I suspect they will not be pleased with the outcome. Title 8 defines who is a citizen at birth and who must naturalize but left out the clear cut definition of "natural born citizen". I believe that was intentional, as the legislators did not feel it was their duty to suppose what the Framers meant. That's the job of the Supremes.

That voter fraud exists is without question. The question is how many resources have been devoted to detecting and preventing it, and the answer to that is very little indeed.

It's called ascertainment bias. If you don't look for it, you will certainly never find it.

Yet assuring the integrity of the voting process is fundamental to a representative form of government. Absent that, the very contract that the elected rule by the consent of the governed is invalidated, and the government ceases to have validity.

"House Republican Leader John Boehner demanded all federal funding to the group stop, saying the organization can't be trusted with one more taxpayer dollar."

What federal funding is any does ACORN receive?