Political Punch

So much discussion is raging about "what's the big deal about Obama's association with a former terrorist" that I feel I need to find time to chime in. It is not the fact that Obama had an association in this decade with a man who committed such heinous crimes in the past that is troubling. Ayers should be persona non grata throughout the US, but he isn't and that is what it is. What matters is that Ayers' actions, both in the distant past and the recent past as well as in the present, reflect his world view. He is a radical leftist who wants to change the way America works-- how we educate our children, how we dispense criminal justice, how we interact with the rest of the world. I do not agree with his views on these issues. I do not expect that Obama agrees with every detail of every view of every person he associates with. However, he wrote a blurb for a controversial book written by Ayers, so I assume he agrees with the views on the criminal justice system within that book. He served on a board giving out grants for education-related projects with Ayers, so I assume he agrees with Ayers in general terms on his educational philosophy. These are the facts related to his association with Ayers that trouble me. Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist and should be a social pariah but what matters in my judgment of the presidential candidates is that Ayers has a world view with which I am uncomfortable but with which Obama is quite comfortable. The same goes for Rev. Wright, btw. I do not share his vision of the world, either.

People have to pick on Obama's "associtions" because they can't find any fault in his own action or reconrds...knowing someone, even closely--does not mean you hold the same prociples...For peets sake I am married to my husband and we disagree about everything in the political realm!!!

McCain (himself) was invloved in keating 5--Now, palin (herself) is accused of abusing power--BIG difference!

The only person that has "badmouthed Cindy McCain" is JOHN HIMSELF. Campaigning in the late nineties, he called his wife a "unt" with a "C" in front of four reporters. He was "tired", poor thing! Guess he won't ever be tired as president. That kind of slur is unforgivable. Obama wouldn't say that to Michael in a million years. He's a gentleman first and foremost. McCain was even called "McNasty" in high school and has said horrible things to his fellow Senators. I don't want someone like this as my president!

Why would Americans worry about Obama's association with Ayers? He was not involved in any questionable acts and he had nothing to do with the charges being dropped. Ayers was a mainstream guy when Obama met him. I am in my mid-forties and never heard of him until people tried to blame Obama for Ayers' stupidity.
Excuse me for being obvious, but why is it so easy to ignore McCain's associations? He not only associates with con artists and creeps, MCCAIN ASSOCIATES WITH AMERICAS WORST TRAITOR, GEORGE W. BUSH. Bush has committed HUNDREDS OF ACTS of TREASON against his own country! The repugs just ignore this fact. John McCain could find no lower life form to associate with than W(Warcrimes)Bush.

If Obama is so up in Pennsylvania, then why is he campaignly furiously and feverishly there?

Obama is spending a lot of time and money there.

Could it be that many Pennsylvania residents will not vote for Obama who call them 'bitter','clinging to guns and religion'?

If Obama thinks himself as superior to Pennsylvanians, he cannot expect their votes.

Promises,

Ok I don't know if everytime I ask this question of the people that make the claim that Obama somehow bad mouthed Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin if they think I'm being facetious about it or something. But you made this statement "totally unacceptable... as is his treatment of Cindy, and Sarah Palin's family." And I was wondering exactly what this unexeptable treatment you refer to is?

I am being serious because I have never heard or read a quote by Obama about Cindy McCain and the only thing I have evr heard of Obama saying about Sarah Palin's family is that they are off limits. Please explain this to me as I would really like to know about this.

moderate.We will agree to disagree. Have you ever met a perfect politician? One who is free of "associations"? I've never seen one. Imagine, a politician using people to further his career. Shocking. Unlike other politicians that use their daddy's name or military service to further their career. I really don't care about his associations. there is dirt everywhere. I really don't understand what people think he would do if he became president. Round us up and shoot us? Is a difference in policy. And if the only way you can justify voting for McCain after the last 8 years is to falsify your fear, then have at it. Right now, I have to go to work, for the second time today.

Bea:

The only thing I remember about McCain was that he was liked and respected by both sides of the Senate

Both Biden and Hillary had good things to say about him.

In fact, the only "Bad Stuff".... came from the the Bushies....Republicans... the last time McCain ran for President.

McCain definitely does not have the glitz that Obama has, but , among others, he did write a bill around 2005 regarding the need for oversight in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which, had it passed, might have prevented the economic break down of the last couple of weeks.

Neither is my choice for the perfect President... (I felt Hillary should have won....) but I honestly feel that McCain will keep this country safer than Obama could...

Let's face it; Even if we leave Iraq we'll be fighting in Afghanistan ...
and I thought it was awful that Obama encouraged Iraq to wait until after the elections before setting a date for a requested withdrawal!

That was the act of a egomaniac... not of a man running for President!

The ease with which Obama accepted the
comparision of McCain to George Wallace (do you remember who he was?) was totally unacceptable... as is his treatment of Cindy, and Sarah Palin's family.

If McCain had had Axelrod has his campaign manager, he would be in Obama's position.......

So I would suggest that anyone voting for Obama...write in "Axelrod"'s name.
when you've closed that curtain.

Unless, of course, you're voting for McCain!

promises..One other question. And be honest. What did you really know about John McCain before he started his run? I knew he was a POW. And I remember watching him on TV when he was released. That was it. And how much do we really know about any person? It's all political. There's so much bad information floating around out there and even on the news. What ever happened to the news? And with the internet and blogs. Anybody could say anything about anybody and twist it around and make implications and the seeds of deceit are sown. And what do we know about Palin? I only know what I've seen in clips of her rallies. And even if they are taken out of context, it's pretty hard to swallow.

Bea, what do we know about Obama, really. People keep asking questions about his grades in College, where he got the money to go, where is is thesis from Harvard and why isn't there any articles written by him for the Law Review at Harvard. He was the first black president so he must have had something to say about it. And then there's that elusive "vault" birth certificate that no one has seen. They aren't satisfied with the Birth Registration because that's done anytime after birth and means the birth wasn't attended or at a hospital. I guess there could have been a mid-wife but it would say that. I wonder why he's just not turning all this over. What does he have to hide? and what could it hurt. It would stop all the talk.

People go on about Ayers contributing $200 to Obama's re-election to the Illinois Senate.

What about G. Gordon Liddy, convicted Watergate burglars pretty sizeable contributions- totalling $ 5000 to McCain's campaign.

This is what McCain said to Liddy: "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family... It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

In comparison, McCain's relationship with Liddy would also be pretty alarming, if they applied the same standards to themselves. So McCain, while I don't automatically think you must be a criminal because you associate with a Watergate burglar, I don't think you have any right to make a big fuss over Obama's flimsy ties with Ayers when your own record is far from spotless.

Bill Ayers was anti-vietnam war and people who have lived during the late 60s also remember that people used to pack protests around the pentagon during which police baton charged families who were protesting draft a young girl was killed in front of pentagon bill ayers served on the annenberg board who is a republican he was set free when republicans were in power it was the republicans who cut and run from vietnam moderate seeing your boat sinking you are now twisting obama's tax policy which are directed towards lower and middle class but promises is the guy who really is hillarious what he said association denial stuff i have a republican primary2000 vdo of mccain denouncing falwell robertson and recently attending their seminars you supporters are just like who you support erratic.

Obama supporter. I love America too. I love my life, even though survival has become an issue.I was a Hillary supporter and was really down on Obama and the way the primary turned out.I even toyed with the idea of not voting at all. So I've tried to make an informative decision based on issues. I watched his interviews and debates. People forget politics is a dirty business. Where a 5 o'clock shadow can lose you the election.Sometimes, politics aside, you have to use some instincts. I refuse to let other people's fears persuade me one way or the other. I'm sure Obama new who Ayers was. But really what was he supposed to do? Get up and walk out on his job and quit? A job that had the potential to possibly do good for someone.Sometimes you have to work and associate with people you don't agree with. And reverend Wright was hard for me to understand too. But I think there's a fine line in guilt by association. Especially in a case like this. It's not like you can control every person in your environment.

Oh really?

McCain "palls" around with a Watergate burglar, I believe. He has yet to renounce his associations with said burglar involved in the Watergate scandal. How about Sarah Palin giving a speech to the AIP ? Or her husband being a former member of said party? Or how about McCain's questionable judgement, in extension, of picking someone who was associated in some way to the AIP?

And McCain was not "exonerated" or anything in the Keating 5. He just ESCAPED criminal charges, and was reprimanded very harshly by the US Senate Ethics Committee.

If McCain/Palin want to employ this guilt by association rubbish, we should hold them to the same standards. And in this case, they were FAR more involved with some far more shady people.

One would think with Hugo Chavez Obama so far ahead in all the polls he could take off for another vacation right?

Yes,Hannah, thinking people can see through the smokescreen. But you and I mean different things by that. To me, the smokescreen is Obama's slippery response to people pointing out that so many of his associates are, to put it mildly, shady. Rezko, WRight, Ayers, Dorhn, Daley, etc. -- one dubious associate would be something we could overlook, but there's a pattern here. And part of the pattern is not only that Obama associates with these people when it is politically expedient but that he then distances himself when it is no longer helpful to his career to acknowledge the connections. His changing stories about Ayers (like earlier stories about Rezko and Wright)make my head spin, and hurt.

I listened to Obama's tax plan today and I don;t understand something. He said he is going to tax everybody that makes $250,000, that's a lot of small busnesses, I have one. Anyway he followed that up with he was going to see the government would give businesses low interest loans so they could stay in business and grow and pay for expansion and in addition he was going to give a tax break for those businesses if they hired more people. So now I'm taxed but I can get a loan to pay expenses and if I hire more people I can't afford I can get a tax break. I never heard anything like this in my life and I've been in business 16 years. Anybody got any ideas on what he's talking about?

"For your information.. McCain was never cleared of any wrongdoing." crabs

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Of course he was!

Are you talking about the Keating 5?
McCain was cleared of everything but a judgement error.

In fact the only ones who were found guilty... were the Democrats!

The difference between McCain and Obama is that whereas Obama always denies his associations with people who might be considered politically incorrect, Mccain doesn't.

I like that in a man!

promises..One other question. And be honest. What did you really know about John McCain before he started his run? I knew he was a POW. And I remember watching him on TV when he was released. That was it. And how much do we really know about any person? It's all political. There's so much bad information floating around out there and even on the news. What ever happened to the news? And with the internet and blogs. Anybody could say anything about anybody and twist it around and make implications and the seeds of deceit are sown. And what do we know about Palin? I only know what I've seen in clips of her rallies. And even if they are taken out of context, it's pretty hard to swallow.

Posted by: hannah | Oct 14, 2008 12:41:23 AM

Sure Obama was 8 when Ayres was bombing the capital but he was 40 when Ayres gave the interview in Chicago Magazine standing on the American flag. I can't excuse Obama for hanging around with Ayres after that. Ayres was standing on the Flag too. Must have given Obama cause for pause but it didn't. After Rev. Wright, and we know he is anti-American, and now Ayres, I'm really suspicious of him. I love America and I feel like I would have to hate America to vote for him.

promises... whatever why doesnt mccain tell us more of his record of 26 years why does he keep changing his campaign theme from experience to country first to reform change to bill ayers to country first I can understand your opinion when you go to a church which has become like a political clubhouse witha pastor who endorses candidates but doesnt file income tax returns a megachurch pastor around my place given his huge mansion in his huge ranch his 16 cars will make mccain look like a poor guy, unlike politicians his only job is to give sermons I hope you ask them how they generate their wealth how much they give to charity not only hold the bible do what bible says dont make a judgement about someone who in the end literally addresses issues that concern all of us. As far as pastors are concerned they are in the tank for special interests they abhor saudi oil but support the same oil executives who earn profit by ripping of average americans.

"Enough with the Roman Empire already. Obama is accountable for himself"....

Yes, Bea. Indeed he is!

So why is he so scared of acknowledging the depth of his associations with these people.... even after the proof of the pudding (and of his past) is placed on a platter in front of his skinny face!

Whe that happens, what does Obama do?

Why he hits the denial button and tosses them al under the bus... like he did Jeremiah the second time around, and Rezko (who brought him B I G bucks), and his "typical white Grandmother"... the one who raised him, and, now Ayers.

Have any of you heard how Obama won his elections in Illinois?

Not one of them was "clean".....

An addendum:

Thank you Mary, for doing your homework ;-)

Jake,

You are right, three weeks is a lifetime in politics. And when the good people of Pennsylvania get a closer look at Obama's economic policy as outlined in today's speech, I think they may well have second thoughts about supporting him. hopefully they will also get a chance to think about his energy policy (a democratic congress will reverse the offshore drilling policy yet again, reverting to no drilling; Obama is against nuclear energy and has made contradictory statements about clean coal that will doubtless morph back into 'no no no' once the election is over).

So I guess only really old people have experience. Sometimes it's not about what a person has done, but the possibilities of what they can do. And just think, it's not going to take him 40 years to accomplish something really big. And unlike Bush, I bet Obama reads the newspapers and internet as much as he writes.

So what if Obama new who Ayers was. They worked on a commitee together. Forty years have past. Move on. Obama was eight years old. He didn't know Ayers at the time. This is so a non-issue. First the Who is Obama[?] didn't work. And now we're playing ring around the rosies with the Ayers thing again. They need to give it up. Most thinking people can see the smokescreen.

Bea:

Obama wrote two semi-autobiographical novels!

That was all the information anyone had about him when he began his campaign!

Maybe he should BE a writer!
He certainly is creative.

In fact the only characteristic Obama has which is greater than his skill as a wordsmith..... is his outrageously grandiose ego, followed by his outsized ears.

"Guess what again, McCain and John Glenn were cleared of any wrongdoing. "

For your information.. McCain was never cleared of any wrongdoing.

Don't worry Jaime...when we pull the curtain no one will know who we vote for. And not all of us who attend church are unable to think for ourselves. The radical and conservative Christians will always vote republican.Or they don't vote at all.

"RNC has a new web video out on Obama and Ayres. The man is a sleaze. Both of them."

What a suprise!
Guess what, the DNC has a video out on McCain and Keating. He's scumbag, all of them.

Guess what again, McCain and John Glenn were cleared of any wrongdoing. Big difference than Ayres who walked out of jail and said "guilty as hell, free as a bird". Obama knew who he was and what he did. He looked up to people like Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, and you would have to be really stupid to thing Obama's mentor Frank Marshall Davis did send him off on that road.

If you want Obama to be president go vote early most people do not realize the kind of language that is being spoken in churches most pastors are convinced tht obama is not a christian and our openly endorsing obama's alternative, republicans know how to win elections cos they know how to involve churches into political discourse, media polls have been wrong before in 04 john kerry who was regarded as the favourite lost to idiot bush repubs specifically target their base by character assasination of their opponent.

The RNC has a new video..and it portrays Obama as a sleaze. Stop the presses. This is astounding....

Mary:

"Truth--only 45% of the people pay income taxes-40% do not pay income taxes but Obama is going to save income taxes for them also. It is still fuzzy math. OK"

Not only that... Obama is going to PAY income taxes ... the ones you and the very rich will be donating.... to the 40 percent who don't pay ANY taxes at all at all.....

Talk about fizzzzzzyyyyyy fuzzy math.

Now THAT's Democracy!

You get to vote for this!

Mary, the Obama campaign is just responding to the hateful rhetoric and lies of the McCaign campaign. It's called defending yourself. Your denial of the way things really are is quite pathetic. Ignorance is only bliss to the person wallowing in it. To the rest of us it's just sad.

Well, I agree partially.. Barack Obama is liberal and I don't agree on all the issues. I don't believe that government can fix all problems.

However McCain/Palin are running a campaign to stupid for words. It's not my kind of leadership, erratic stunts, sixpack gimmicks, winks.

Rather an intelligent liberal then a republican that sold his soul to extreme right-wing nutcases.

_>> lela | Oct 13, 2008 11:08:10 PM<<<
On what basis would you have Palin impeached.... especially since Obama has been getting away with encouraging... and PAYING FOR fraudulant voter registration under the aegis of ACORN?

I will acknowledge that as a devious Chicago style political thug Obama is brilliant.....

I would have to add, however, that anyone who votes for Obama expecting him to carry out his myriad campaign promises.... has got rocks in his/her head!

And why are you all so afraid of Palin?

She came into this race with an 80 percent approval rating from her state.

She has brought money from big business into her state and GIVEN IT TO IT'S CITIZENS...rather than pocketing it like some politicians have been known to do!

I'd like to see Obama accomplish something like that!

Frankly, I'd like to see Obama accomplish A N Y T H I N G....

Even if B O should win, he won't have as high a rating.....

Enough with the Roman Empire already. Obama is accountable for himself. Not everything done by groups or people he's worked with or he's had little contact with. If that's how your going to base your vote, then take a good look at everybody McCain has ever been associated with, attended a fund raiser with, and every commitee he's been on and everyone that has served in the senate for the last 38 years. Then place their guilt on him.

"RNC has a new web video out on Obama and Ayres. The man is a sleaze. Both of them."

What a suprise!
Guess what, the DNC has a video out on McCain and Keating. He's scumbag, all of them.

Mary, Republicans in politics are all smoke and mirrors. They have to use wedge issues to distract you so they can continue the gravy train. People are so ignorant about this and I just don't get it. Gays,Guns and God and you have millions roped in from those three alone.

RNC has a new web video out on Obama and Ayres. The man is a sleaze. Both of them.

Mary,

We are looking at stupidity square in the face and it is frightening.

Our welfare has declined in the last 8 years, the dollar is now worthless and the deficit is sky high.

History has shown democrat presidents are fiscal more conservative then republican presidents.

Nobama...you forgot NBC, CBS,PBS and over half of America. We love Obama. He brings us hope....An offering McCain and certainly the hate pushing Palin will never serve. Dirty is the only way they think they can win. My generation and the generation behind me are smarter than that. We base our decisions on education, research and insightfulness. Not who appears to be the hero. We'll save the heros for the movies.

Folks, you are right--I had a gaffe like Obama and his 57 states and fallen heroes in his audience. My statement about the taxes was incorrect. Truth--only 45% of the people pay income taxes-40% do not pay income taxes but Obama is going to save income taxes for them also. It is still fuzzy math. OK

Mary, Mary the Greedy Old Party is all about handouts. It's just that they handout to people who are filthy rich already. McCain is one big handout

Mary

WHO beleives in the Constitution?

Obama was a constitutional lawyer and professor.

John McCain doesn't even seem to believe in habeas corpus.

"The Obama campaign has been the diriest, most corrupt in the last 100 years" says Mary.

I havr seen this said before and every time I ask for evidence I get nothing.

So Mary what evidence do you have?

The Obama campaign has been the diriest, most corrupt in the last 100 years but he is talking and winning over the weak minded--those who want something for nothing and the redistribution of wealth--take from those who worked hard and saved their money, creative wealth and new jobs and give to those who do little for themselves or society except create more children other people must support.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are looking at socialism square in the face and it is ugly.
The McCain/Palin campaign believe in self-reliance and the Constitution, not free handouts.
Obama's associations and political agenda are wrong for the USA.

"So, Great McCain fell flat. He should have picked Romney to talk about the economic mess."

No doubt about that! Romney is an authority on economics. Palin is yesterday's news.

The only reason peoplechange the chanel from CNN MSNBC and ABC to FAUX NOISE is because it is funnier than comedy central. Papa Bear (I talk loud so i must be right) O'reilly is the funniest person in the world followed by Hannity.

"Then why is the rest of the world holding its breath that America will come to its senses and elect Obama?"

Wonder which part of the world is holding their breath?
All the leftists and communist countries are holding their breaths. You read too many biased opinions my freind.

I met a republican who said that John McCain choosing Sarah Palin would help Obama in the long run and guess what? It has!

"DO YOU WANT AMERICAN TO BE LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE THAT WAS DESTROYED FROM WITHIN BY ELITISM, CORRUPTION AND SINFUL WAYS LIKE SAME SEX RELATIONSHIP? "

We are destroyed by 8 years Bush.

I think the day McCain picked up Wasilla lipstick Palin, his campaign was literally over.

With an idiot like Palin around, anyone is bound to fail.

So, Great McCain fell flat. He should have picked Romney to talk about the economic mess.

McCain has no good judgement and it proved wrong again!!!

Let CNN, MSNBC, ABC and the media continue their Obamamania ... They are only driving their viewers away one at a time. Imagine CNN and their favorite phrase "Keeping Them Honest".
CNN cannot even keep themselves honest let alone others ...

And my absentee ballot is here ... I cannot wait to send it my vote for MCCAIN/PALIN ...

Yes, I am one of the 28% Hillary supporters who would NEVER vote Obama ... My one penny's worth is going in the mail tomorrow. !!!

GOOD NIGHT OBAMAMANIACS ...

ALWAYS TAKE NOTE: SILENT MAJORITY MATTERS AND NOT THE SURVEY BY THE ELITE MEDIA. THINK ABOUT THE ELECTION FRAUD BY ACCORN THAT IS INFLUENCE BY LEFT WING DEMOCRAT HEADED BY OBAMA. THINK ABOUT HIS MAFIA CONNECTIONS. THINK ABOUT YOUR FUTURE. DO YOU WANT AMERICAN TO BE LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE THAT WAS DESTROYED FROM WITHIN BY ELITISM, CORRUPTION AND SINFUL WAYS LIKE SAME SEX RELATIONSHIP?

Posted by: Melissa | Oct 13, 2008 11:21:03 PM

Do you people really believe this crap? Now Obama has connections with the Mafia? I think you have that mistaken with Cindy McCain.

WE are thinking about our future, that's why are voting for Obama.

The Elitist label is just a way of saying, I didn't go to college but I'm not stupid. Lose the insecurity and vote for who you think will do the best job. Yes, it's ok if the President is smart and intellectually curious. Some would say that should be a job requirement.

Kottaras: "Obama-Biden will do little to enhance the US image either within the US or abroad."

Then why is the rest of the world holding its breath that America will come to its senses and elect Obama?

staniam
I would like to know your opinion on this hypothetical senario:

If a guy that has worked in the same company as you for 3 years held a party you went to and gave you a beer. You find out 10 years ago he slept with an underage girl. Does hat means you pal around with pedophiles?

Melissa, Your post is the reason McCain loses. The only people vocally supporting him are on the fringe right. The rest are fading into the background and some are moving to Obama for fear of being lumped in with this mess.

Dear Americans,

ALWAYS TAKE NOTE: SILENT MAJORITY MATTERS AND NOT THE SURVEY BY THE ELITE MEDIA. THINK ABOUT THE ELECTION FRAUD BY ACCORN THAT IS INFLUENCE BY LEFT WING DEMOCRAT HEADED BY OBAMA. THINK ABOUT HIS MAFIA CONNECTIONS. THINK ABOUT YOUR FUTURE. DO YOU WANT AMERICAN TO BE LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE THAT WAS DESTROYED FROM WITHIN BY ELITISM, CORRUPTION AND SINFUL WAYS LIKE SAME SEX RELATIONSHIP?

Pollster has Florida at Obama+7, which even I find hard to believe. RCP has it at Obama +5

American politics are headed down the wrong road. Obama-Biden will do little to enhance the US image either within the US or abroad.
Obmama brings defeatist policies and expensive economics.

ZERO of the 83 electoral vote projection sites out there show or predict a win for McCain.

ALL show that Obama is winning this race. About 60 indicate that it will be an Obama landslide.

But sure, the fight continues.

Nov 4 will be Obama's knock out blow to McCain and Palin.

rover

not so fast Obama may be up in all battleground states but its within the margin of error all through the campaign Obama hasnt been able to close things out when he had to and I dont think you people have the guts to get him over the finish line you have to work till election day and you wont be able to do it then theres the race thing which Obama brought up and I dont have a dog in that fight but the economny will fade and you can be overconfident if you want to but Obama is just another poltician

This is like listening to a news talk show reublican blame democrats and democrats blame republicans. Yet nobody take any of the blame and they are all responsible. I think it is time to get rid of any politician who has been in office for six or more years. I blame the greed and feeling of entitlement that is widespread across both parties.

staniam
I would like to know your opinion on this hypothetical senario:

If a guy that works in the same company as you held a party you went to and gave you a beer. You find out 10 years ago he slept with an underage girl. Does hat means you pal around with pedophiles?

More people are personally invested in this campaign than I've ever seen. I know people who are taking vacations from their jobs to canvas in FL. I personally have a bumper sticker on my car for the first time and I have many friends that have done the same. People are just a bit more passionate this time around, because this election is at a critical time in the world.

Obama/Biden

staniam

This is the truth

Bush was ahead most of the month of October, with a couple of days with Kerry ahead by 1 or 2

"in 2004 Kerry was 2 pts ahead on election day"

Stop the BS and take a look at the electoral vote projections.

Even if McCain wins ALL the current tossup states, Obama will be POTUS.

Jock

thats the truth all Im saying is dont be overconfident because Im certainly not goign to help you and you prob need my vote in NC

This race is over.

McCain can finally look out for a retirement home.

Palin can be impeached. And then - to be never heard of again.

staniam: "John Kerry was up by more in the last three weeks this time in 2004"

You just don't really care what the truth is, do you?

sinz52

in 2004 Kerry was 2 pts ahead on election day and regardless there are 4 canididates on the GE ballot and that means it will be like a 92 election with the winner getting less than 50 percent so they better damn well be humble

Based on my observations over 40 years of political campaigns:

Whenever a candidate or his campaign starts saying "The only poll that counts is the one on Election Day," it means that candidate is losing big-time.

It's the last refuge of the desperate.

clabs

yea and Obama wont mandate that employers pay for healthcare which they must do period

staniam, do tell. how is obama like bush and rove? wow. this is your best I'm guessin'.

mulligan

and its pretty clear that Obama is trying to use Roves and GW Bushes playbook from 2000 and 2004 and that wont fly

"if the stock market stays up it goes back to beiong about Obamas character ...its been to easy for Obama "

Let's hope so! Every time McCain does negative attacking, Obama's gains in the polls!

In case you didn't know it. Last weekend the economy is saved from a meltdown by the Europeans, they put 2.3 trillion to keep the banking system rolling again.
Bush and Paulson were also present on the G7, but you might as well send Joe Sixpack.

Vote for Obama if you care for your job or business.

staniam, You keep telling yourself that. I'm sure Karl Rove is rooting for Obama and his stats are no good. Check out the state by state polls and it's pretty clear the SS McCain has sailed.

mulligan

538 and pollster and also rans RCP and MSNBC CNN etc have him at 264 if you are including tos up states that might go to obama then maybe but they all arent going to go to obama you just have to hope they do

william

most of what is in Dreams of My Father is Incriminating to Obama seeing Hillary Sunday in the Wilkes-Barre Rally she shouldve been the nominee

Posted by: staniam | Oct 13, 2008 10:27:55 PM

Wasn't she in Scranton?

Westcoastmessenger:

Sigh. So sad to see you on the side of that doddering fool and his ethically challenged mean girl, entirely out of spite. Come on: I know you're not really a Republican. I guess it's telling that your rants are getting a little weak. Why not do what HRC is doing: back Obama!

mulligan

nope the only time Obama got the best of mccain was when Mccain said that the fundamentals of th economy are strong and he never said that again any electoral map that has Obama with over 270 at this point is dreaming as well

Please, God, let them spend all of the rest of the race in PA. Please, please, please. Here's what PA voters see: a clueless and doddering Arizona septugenarian and his pathologically lying holy roller running mate.

Please, God, let them wreck themselves in the hamlets of upper Appalachia, which will probably get as sick of them as the rest of us are. Please. I beg you.

Amen