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The Iowa GOP appears to be distancing itself from a Monday effort to challenge thousands of student ballots at Grinnell College.

Repubs are 'soooooo American' that every 4 years they try and stop citizens from voting..

Posted by: Blue

And you have the Black Panthers

Ryan C. Omar, Khadr (a Canadian) is charged with lobbing a grenade that killed U. S. Special Forces Sgt 1st Class Christopher James Speer after a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. The Pentagon denies that he was tortured. The marks on his body could have been inflicted by his father or al Qaeda before the firefight.

Fox News and other conservatives on the Web are pushing hard on the story that two black panthers may be intimidating voters at a polling place in north Philadelphia.

But an Obama campaign volunteer who's been on the scene since 6:30 AM this morning tells me in a phone interview that there's been absolutely no intimidation of voters at all today. And a Pennsylvania spokesperson for Obama said the two men aren't in any way affiliated with the campaign.

Voter in pa, there is VIDEO of the two Black Panthers with one welding a nightstick. IT IS NOT A LIE.

Voter in pa, there are dozens of witnesses to the two Black Panthers intimidating voters. The police were called out so there is an official report. The nightstick welding Black Panther was ordered to leave. The other was an official poll watcher so he remained.

"If you knew an individual had knowledge of a nuclear device set to go off in a large population center in one hour, do you sit down and have tea with him and discuss the his feelings? Or would you attempt to extract the information from him by using whatever method you can knowing that 100,000 lives could be on the line?"

Stop watching 24.

Here's a scenario for you, a 15 year old boy is caught in the midst of a firefight near his village and is captured by Americans. He is taken to Gitmo where he is tortured repeatedly and held for years without any charges or trial.

The difference between my scenario and yours? Yours was part of fictional plot of a television program. Mine actually happened to the great shame of this country.

"Ryan C, they may have be called "enemy combatants" but they are still prisoners of war. By the way, President Bush did order that these "enemy combatants" be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention in spite of not technically meeting the definition of a "prisoner of war.""

Bush didn't order anything. The Supreme Court had to step in, first ruling that Geneva Conventions applied and later that Constitutional rights applied as well.

I would think someone who claimed to love this country and its Constitution would fiercely defend it vs a despotic administration that trampled on it.

Ben Straub, the two votes fro Ron Paul were not in Dixville Notch. They were in Hart's Location, where Obama got 17 votes and McCain got 10.

Joe the Plumber is short on cash and unemployed ... "I got no financial offers. I am broke," Joe Wurzelbacher said Monday

Old 'Joe' is too misinformed to understand who has lead him to being broke.....aka. Republicans. Like many, he continually votes against his own best economic interests by voting republican.

Obama said: "they take pride in their own ignorance"..... 'Joe' is but another example of Obama being correct again.

The Iowa GOP appears to be distancing itself from a Monday effort to challenge thousands of student ballots at Grinnell College.

Repubs are 'soooooo American' that every 4 years they try and stop citizens from voting..

Ryan C, they may have be called "enemy combatants" but they are still prisoners of war. By the way, President Bush did order that these "enemy combatants" be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention in spite of not technically meeting the definition of a "prisoner of war."

I have a hypothetical question for you. If you knew an individual had knowledge of a nuclear device set to go off in a large population center in one hour, do you sit down and have tea with him and discuss the his feelings? Or would you attempt to extract the information from him by using whatever method you can knowing that 100,000 lives could be on the line?

James Danley,

Gitmo prisoners are called enemy combatants, not prisoners of war.

If they were prisoners of war we would have to honor the Geneva Convention.

I can't believe someone is actually defending torture by this country.

Blue, prisoners of war are not normally given trials. Generally only those who have committed war crimes are tried. During WWII there were many prisoners on both sides who were held for years. Once the war was over they were released. There was no expectations for trials or even being able to talk to a lawyer. Should Sen. Obama win and the Democrats get that super majority they are seeking, it wouldn't surprise me if they passed a law that required Miranda warnings for even those individuals captured on foreign battlefields.

Blue, apparently you trust Obama. Well, in Philadelphia there are now reports that a polling place had two Black Panthers (one with a nightstick) intimidating voters by guarding the entrance. One is reported to have said, "We are tired of white supremacy." So THAT is how Sen. Obama works!

James Danley

you seem to trust what your told by Bush, I do not... Abu Ghraib, rendition to foreign bases, who really knows what else, ... years in prison without a trial....... it's not American...
the nazi's at Nuremberg had faster trials and that was after a global war.

Actually there were 23 voters. 2 votes went to Ron Paul. Why am I not suprised Mr. Tapper left that fact out.

Coos County picked right about 9 out of 11 times. The folks there look like an accurate microcosm of national voting. Hope so!

Blue, so you're upset that President Bush authorized three cases of waterboarding in order to protect us against another attack. But where is your outrage regarding the hundreds of cases of waterboarding that the anti-war protesters conducted during their demonstrations--just for the "fun" of it?

Grey Matter

the worst of it was tho', that someone like McCain
with all he had been through, had taken a stand against torture,... only to reverse himself and side with Bush & Cheney on torture.....just to get elected...... no country first... there my friends......

Axelrod had the ground game strategy from day one. Not even the Karl Rove-like smear tactics can overcome grass roots organization.