Kos Dances on the Nader Campaign's Grave

Lots of people knew that the 2000 election would be that close. Lots of people knew that Florida and some other swing states would be virutally even. There were grass roots efforts by people in "blue" states to vote for Nader if Democrats in swing states who were thinking of voting for Nader didn't do so. There were former Nader associates who publicly called on him to pull out of Florida or to urge his supporters to vote for Gore.

Nader and his supporters foolishly thought that the crisis created by a Bush presidency would wake the electorate up and get them to vote Green next time. History has proven how wrong that was. The American people didn't go to the left and neither did the Democrats. Bush won. So after 8 years of Bush, Nader got his crisis. That crisis woke the electorate up and spurred them to vote...for a guy who is about as center left as Gore was in 2000. Thanks, Nader! Thanks, Greens. I hope the utter subversion of our constitution and the rule of law over the last 8 years was worth it. You really showed us!

"I haven't seen evidence that Obama is stupid, just naive."

Oh, right: "naive". Sure he is.

The bloom, if any, will be off Barky BEFORE the inauguration.

Is this report akin to apple picking the worst to represent the barrel?

"Many Neo-Cons are vocal supporters of Obama."

Which neocons are vocal supporters of Obama?

"Nader did not cost Gore the 2000 election. Neocon operatives stole it wholsale. Nader was on the ballot and earned the votes he earned. That's called "democracy". His votes do not hypothetically "belong" to any other party or candidate."

Nader DID cost Gore the election by sucking away votes that would have gone to Gore. I don't think that anyone disputes the votes that Nader received. However, if Nader had been at all interested in sparing us the horror of 8 years of Bush he could have thrown support to Gore and helped to ensure that Gore would have had a tamper-proof margin.

If you don't like Daily Kos, don't read Daily Kos. Seems simple enough to me.

I do wish that people would educate themselves and stop labeling Neo-Cons and Republicans as one-and-the-same.

All Republicans aren't Neo-Cons.

Many Neo-Cons are vocal supporters of Obama.

Research that connection and you just may learn something.

Nader did not cost Gore the 2000 election. Neocon operatives stole it wholsale. Nader was on the ballot and earned the votes he earned. That's called "democracy". His votes do not hypothetically "belong" to any other party or candidate.

Kos is a fully exposed CIA gatekeeping asset. Check his bio.

"Change" cannot come from making deals with the devil or the military-intelligence complex. Nader, McKinney, Kucinich and a handful of others are smeared for telling this self-evident truth.

Everybody take a deep breath. Ralph Nader is too honest to be either a democrat or a republican. So do I. The fact that he spoiled Al Gore' chances in 2000 is accidental. Who ever thought it would be so close. Leiberman presidency would be dreadful if Al Gore had won. So It is blessing in a diguise. Thanks Nader. Any fan of Obama who thinks changes are coming to USA are just plain dumb and out of sense. for sure, Obama will be far better president than Bush. That in itself doesn't mean a whole lot to world peace and America's security.

WestCoastMessenger: "and instead try to raid the treasury"

That's a laugh. All that's left in the treasury after 8 years of Republican control is a pile of IOU's even bigger than Reagan left. And at least Reagan could blame the USSR, a real existential threat, for his mountain of debt.

The cold, hard facts clearly show Republican administrations - especially if they have a Republican Congress - result in enormous deficits and a debt that can only start to be paid off by a Democratic administration. Ignore the Big Lie sales pitch and look at the historical budget facts. The reality is Democrats shrink the deficit, pay down debt, and preside over larger stock market advances than Republicans. "Fiscally conservative Republicans" is just another Big Lie that is crumbling under the weight of reality.

MM,
I fully support the President-elect. Obama does not equal Kos. I haven't seen evidence that Obama is stupid, just naive.

Of course if Nader had not run in 2000, and Al Gore had won, Joe Lieberman might be president now.

Posted by: Peter M | Nov 17, 2008 12:06:33 AM

So you mean Lieberman would have ran for President this year, but endorsed the man who ran against him?

My head hurts.

Kos should reflect on Lee Atwater's history. Kos is on a high right now, and he is treating people who lost with disdain. Lee Atwater eventually felt very sorry for his meanness. Also, why not the quixotic? Dreams -- humans need to have dreams, even impossible to obtain ones.

Of course if Nader had not run in 2000, and Al Gore had won, Joe Lieberman might be president now.

Ralph Nader is for Ralph Nader. He does nothing to organize this political change he keeps pushing. Even if he were to win an election, he has not organized a base of support to help him implement policy. He's a fantasy candidate for a fantasy party that in many places it runs candidates gets more GOP money than Green money.

I am absolutely certain the bogus Nader presidential campaigns have hurt Green attempts to organize and run candidates at the state and local level, because he makes the Green Party look like fantasy fringers instead of people with serious ideas and strategies for how to achieve them. And I know some local Greens I really like...

I will vote for whomever I want. I don't care what Kos or anyone else says. Obama won because of Bush.

Looks like another pajama think tank that gets more press than it deserves.

(And people thought the post-election Republican infighting was bad. Well it was, but at least it never reached the "F" phase.)

I just read the links and wonder if Kos is ordinarily this obnoxious. It looks like he's projecting some of his own egotism onto Nader. What a jerk.

WestCoastMessenger

Yes Kos is just mafia in their pajamas. Taking the time to blog out their "Mafia" liberal ideas. Funny I always thought the mafia was Conservative... small government, rule by the people, deregulation. Don't be so paranoid, and support the President and President-Elect.

I give you that Nader was hugely a part of the reason why Dems lost in 00'

but not in 04'. Dems lost because karl rove and cheney scared people into voting for Bush. 04' was too close to 911 and people were scared and the Repubs took advantage of that fear.

This time around in 08' people saw that even though it was a risk to vote for obama, it was even more of a risk to vote for Repubs again. So even though Repubs played the fear card over and over, it did not work, because to our credit, we Americans had the courage to demand change despite the fear.

So yes, blame Nader in 00' but not 04', because i know many a dems who voted for bush in 04' because they wanted to be safe. sad but true.

Yeah, the arrogance of the Kos mafia, including the likes of Mr. Tungsten, is exactly the kind of attitude that got the Newt Gingrich Contract-on-America crowd in trouble. This is the Democrats opportunity to lock it up for the next twenty years at least. But if the Democrats don't act responsibly, and instead try to raid the treasury, they will be gone in four years if no two. Kos and Company would have the administration stomp on any diverse opinions. That's exactly what put Newt and his minions out of business.