The Bishops' Statement on Obama: Freedom of Choice Act Would Be 'An Evil Law'

When I was in prep-school back in the 50s the only discussion we ever had dealing with abortion related to the health of the mother. Should a pregnancy be terminated to save the mother's life or should the pregnancy be allowed to go full term and thereby risk having the mother die. What is the moral answer to that question?

Regarding resistance to FOCA: Years ago I remember a similar argument for government support of private schools; the party line was, "If we close all of them, the public schools can't accomodate all the kids!" No, there are not and never were a bunch of empty schools (and hospitals) waiting for implementation of an empty threat. But we would get by, even if it happened.
Gee, maybe I should switch to Scientology, sneak a job in Holy Smoke hospital, refuse to do anything other than pray all shift, and claim religious persecution if anyone says anything!

gallen:
re: "false ideas of separation of church and state. It was not, and is not intended to keep moral people with moral values from speaking up in an immoral world, and to a government who stands up for immorality"

people with 'moral values' thought (and still do)
that non-whites and women were not people worthy of full American rights....

'moral people'...... whose morals?
marriage between 'blacks and whites' was considered immoral.......

lets keep those babies alive
so bush types can send them to war to die

gallen, it's a shame that people you mention don't have a choice. Being in a nursing home unable to feed or bathe myself is not living. I would like to have the choice to say no more.

Since have slaughtered millions of babies and called it a choice, maybe we ought to take the next step and go into the nursing homes and take those who can't feed themselves, or bathe themselves, and take up our time and make us inconveinced by having to visit them, and do away with them too. After all they are just racking up bills, taking up space, and being a drain on our social life! Absurd you say? Well how long will it be till some bright eyed political person comes along and sees a way to save millions this way? I wonder what freedom of choice they and you will have then!

I am constantly amazed how ignorant, or how Americans have bought from its politicians hook, line, and sinker the false ideas of separation of church and state. It was not, and is not intended to keep moral people with moral values from speaking up in an immoral world, and to a government who stands up for immorality, it simply means that the state (the government) will make no official state run/state ordered/state sanctioned religion. It is not to keep religion out of our schools, or our workplaces, or our communities, just from the government from choosing one over another and making it the one and only. In this way, we as a nation are asured of our right to have the freedom to practice any religion period. It is time to quit taking everyones intrepretation and look for yourselves!

Babies are not independent human beings after they are born, either. They cannot feed themselves or clothe or shelter themselves. If left to do so they will die. They are not viable until they reach a certain age. Needing to be nourished and cared for is not a crime punishable by death.

a woman cannot have a right to choose,
but many catholic priest have a right to choose what little boy they will molest, and mess up in the head.

a woman cannot have a right to choose,
but the republican party people would have the woman bring the child into the world. and then the reps. will have a change to turn their back on the child.
and tell them, "I've got mine, not you go get your, pull yourself up by your bookstraps" when the child does not have any boots.

the catholic church needs to pay the money to all of the people whose lives they have messed of,
and then shut-up

unwanted pregnancies turn into unwanted children
who end up in catholic orphanages and you know what happens to many of those children there.

unwanted children end up being messed up by the catholic church.

or sent off to die in some war for a warmongering republican.

Who cares what the bishops of the round table have to say?

Every individual human's life began at its conception. Established scientific fact. Even a cloned human being's life begins at its conception. It is conceived with the joining of the human egg and somatic cell nucleus producing a clone, which produces the same thing as an identical twin. A clone is not the same person as the one who was cloned, just as identical twins are not each the same person, but are individuals.

It's called the "Freedom of CHOICE Act" ...

NOT the "Freedom of Abortions Act" ...

Someone needs to educate these "bishops" that they DO NOT have a say in anyone's life ...

We did not elect Catholic bishops or the Pope to represent us. Our Founders created a secular nation, not a theocracy, for a good reason. For over a thousand years, the Catholic Church enslaved the Western World. It wrote the book on torture, ‘ethnic cleansing’ and child abuse, and it helped inspire Hitler’s genocide. For the Church to lecture Obama on the sanctity of life is like OJ Simpson condemning wife-abuse. My message to the Catholic Church: Keep your filthy hands off of our children and away from our Constitution!

I love how advocates of "limited government" are so eager to get that government involved in the most intimate and personal aspects of other people's lives.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one. If you don't like "family planning," don't plan one. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry one.

Then, leave the rest of us alone to make out own choices.

george:
re" A few priests being pediphiles really has nothing to do with this discussion. Such behavior is found in many places unfortunately"

maybe, but the Church's cover up and complicity in re-routing the 'ped priests ' to new parishes, abusing new victims is another matter, ...

maybe 'the Church' and other religions should adopt the physicians credo of 'do no harm'
before getting too 'holier than thou'.....

A few priests being pediphiles really has nothing to do with this discussion. Such behavior is found in many places unfortunately. What I have never been able to understand is the stand against birth control. I guess that goes back to the Biblical admonition to "be fruitful and multiply." Of course teen pregnancy was not a problem then like it is today because people went to work and got married so early that there wasn't the modern day phenomenon of adolecents running around with raging hormones.

Please answer this question. Why was abortion legalized?

1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . "

Jesus says, "Render to God the things that are God's and unto Cesar the things that are Cesar's."

Thomas Jefferson has some interesting things to say in various letters he wrote:

"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man." (letter to J. Moore, 1800)

"History, i believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." (letter to von Humboldt, 1813)

"The essence of virtue is in doing good to others, while what is good may be one thing in one society and its contrary in another." (letter to John Adams, 1816)

In a letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802 he quotes the 1st Ammendment (see above) and goes on to say, "thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

Megan:

if you want to get off topic about some Old Testament weirdness, I can give you an ample supply of murder, rape, bondage, slavery from biblical text.......