9/11 Families Push Obama on Gitmo Trials

And if they are brought to the U.S. will they have access to all civil liability, sueing government with prisoners rights, law books, false arrest etc etc etc? Remember that was one of the reasons for spending money on a jail at Gitmo, to keep them off our soil. Follow the money. Obama is a lawyer with bias and tunnel vision, formed by his educational and work experience with ACLU and sueing on technicalities. Thats to say nothing of his campaign contributions from trial lawyers and liberal judges etc.

The trials should be held at GItmo under military courts and THE PLAN followed through on as dictated by the previous administration. Obama's unwillingness to admit Bush and company was right on one little thing, like GItmo, is stubborness to the extreme and throughs ever plan by a previous admin, into the chaos relhm.

Todays Iranian blame on the U.S. and Britain for their own terrorist bomb, makes me think many people would have had Bush blame Saudia Arabia for 9.11 and declare war, regardless of other intelligence or the fact that Insurance companies would have been off the hook for covering victims of the towers, because of the "war". We can't even convict gang members for many of their crimes, due to the state of confusion and civil suits costing government money over 'terms, definitions and clear law", let alone enemy combatants.

Follow the money, and leave common sense and law out of it, this decision will be a deep pockets, so sad to bad, example of liberalism gone wild.

Responding to alagbon: If we are all allowed to place our individual views to the "spirit" of the law, then we have no law. The sections pertainng to this are clear and need no such interpretation of its spirit. Constitutional rights do not apply to those individuals. I do not support torture, but let's call it like it is. The beheaded skulls of enough Westerners are evidence enough to differentiate torture and humane treatment. No skulls in Gitmo.

What this really shows is that Barrys priorities are not the struggling American families that he claimed to support during the campaign. His top priorities are obviously abortions and treating the people that killed 3000 Americans more nicely.

Which country do you live in? Gitmo is an American travesty. There is never an excuse to torture or detain anyone without due process. The legal aspects of the constitution are what keeps this nation great in the eyes of the world.
Posted by: GMorgan
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It's time for you to face reality.
Harsh methods used to interogate is not torture. Harsh method used for "the fun of it" is torture......ie, one of saddamm hobbies.
We humane thing we did was to capture this scumbags instead of killing them. If you ever been in combat, then you know how tough it's not to blow these scumbags away after they just killed your buddies.
These scumbags are enemy combatant and are not entitle the privilege of our constitutional rights. They're not uniform soldiers to be covered under the GC. We treated them a lot better then how scumbags should be treated.
Your statement of "There is never an excuse to torture or detain anyone without due process." should be directed towards the terrorists. They treats their captive inhumanely then cuts their heads off.

Which country do you live in? Gitmo is an American travesty. There is never an excuse to torture or detain anyone without due process. The legal aspects of the constitution are what keeps this nation great in the eyes of the world.

The libs have been saying how smart barrack is and so far, haven't seen any evidence of it.
Closing down Gitmo and afforting these scumbags constitutional rights is asinine.
When they come back do another 9/11 style attack on us. Nobody going to buy your "blamed Bush for everything" policy.

Par. 61

(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) that of carrying arms openly;

(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

Section II. PERSONS NOT ENTITLED TO BE TREATED AS PRISONERS OF WAR
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"Persons, such as guerrillas and partisans, who take up arms and commit hostile acts without having complied with the conditions prescribed by the laws of war for recognition as belligerents (see GPW, art. 4; par. 61 herein), are, when captured by the injured party, not entitled to be treated as prisoners of war and may be tried and sentenced to execution or imprisonment."

How can anyone let these animals back on the soil they burnt?I lost friends in those Towers,I also lived 3 blocks away from them,I witnessed that whole morning,my apt. got destroyed.Do you think I want these scum back in my Country?

American Man: You're actually the one that is misinformed because the spirit of the GC, if not the letters, applies to "non-uniformed combatants". Just like uniformed combatants, they entitled to humane treatment upon capture.

Andrew: "Being the conservative father of a 9-11 victim does not make you a law-maker and does not nullify the Geneva Convention."

Doesn't make you a law-maker--I agree. However, GC doesn't apply to non-uniformed combatants, warriors, whatever. I believe on this point you are mis-informed.

Being the conservative father of a 9-11 victim does not make you a law-maker and does not nullify the Geneva Convention.

"Interesting that the first two things Obama does when he is in office is make it easier to get an abortion and let terrorist go free. I'm afraid -- very afraid!"

And also very uninformed too apparently. Obama isn't letting terrorists go free.

Ryan C hit below the water line again by another 9/11 family member writing in the New York Post:

"It is asinine to believe that Guantanamo Bay, even with its scandalously biased coverage, has in any way inspired a single terrorist.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who has offered unapologetic confessions for 9/11 and also brags that he was the assassin of journalist Daniel Pearl ("with this blessed right hand I beheaded the Jew") sits in an air-conditioned cell, innocent until proven guilty, receiving three square meals a day, specially prepared to satisfy his religious prescriptions, free medical and dental (already meeting Obama's specifications of health care as a constitutional right) and the free services of an army of court-appointed lawyers.

Welcome to the American way of life.

Obama could grant these men full constitutional rights in an American court. And when they are exonerated, we, the U.S. taxpayers, supply a luxury cruise ship trip back home. And they will still hate us and want us dead.

The only thing Obama has accomplished is convincing these mass murderers that we are too narcissistic, too foolish and too weak to protect and defend ourselves. Just as the terrorists believed prior to 9/11.

And we do not enhance our Constitution by applying it to those it was never meant to serve. Rather, the move diminishes and threatens the foundation on which our laws are built. "

I did not vote for BHO but I do wish for our success as a country. I am not a yes man for Bush or McCain either. My concern over the Gitmo closing is similar to a previous post in that the POTUS seemed to be searching for answers as he was signing the executive order. He himself asked, "is there a second order explaining what will be done with the detainees"... or something to that effect. One of his staffers answered that, "there will be a process". I read both orders and it strikes me that Bush was beat up for not having an Iraq exit plan ahead of time, but, we have no exit plan on this either. They should have had these details worked out before the big photo op for the lefties. Bush could have done more with this, too, but at one point there were 800 and we now have 1/3 of that.

"Hey BertieW: Perhaps you've forgotten about the American citizen Padilla, several Canadian citizens, and a couple of Germans, all picked up OFF the "battlefield" and NOT apprehended red-handed in the midst of terrorist actions, yet held incommunicado for years our dungeons, without access to family, lawyers, judges, etc."

Padilla was arrested by federal agents and held by on a warrant issued by a New York court.

He had a lawyer.

He was properly officially designated by as an enemy combatant by the POTUS which was the procedure at the time.

The fact that he did have legal representation is clear from the fact that he was involved in Rumsfeld v. Padilla.

Moreover this "our dungeons" is ridiculous. GITMO is not a dungeon. And Padilla was held in a naval brig in South Carolina in the same conditions as US soldiers.

Interesting that the first two things Obama does when he is in office is make it easier to get an abortion and let terrorist go free. I'm afraid -- very afraid!

how can we stimulate the economy by killing unborn children domestically and overseas? what does nancy pelosi hope will happen when we contracept the entire word...who will produce the goods she needs to live her cushy liberal lifestyle?

We inappropriately intervene in affairs of other nations...and support violence and agression...and then are suprised when the monster comes home to roost?

Are you referring to our new leadership?
We have not been aggressors, but defenders. When will obama and the liberal extremists understand defense?

Obama rushed to sign these orders. I don't even think he understood what he was signing. He kept turning for explanation and reassurance to someone off camera. He owes the American people some explanation of why he was in such a hurry to appease his leftist fringe supporters at the risk of the security of all Americans.