Cheney Assails Obama Decision to Close Gitmo; Expresses Concern That Democrats About to Take Over Don't Realize World Has Changed

Yeah, all those things came from 'progressives' before they got on to the current Crystal Pepsi kick.

These rights activists are the ones who post their expert analysis of planes crashing into the Pentagon to prove it never happened.

No thanks.

"Where is Bush's invasion of Iran I was promised?
What happened to Bush canceling the election and declaring Martial law like progressive claimed was going to happen?"

No idea. Perhaps you should ask people who said such things.

Which reminds me....how many predictions you have made just within the last month that were complete BS.

"What happened with the wacky Loose Change guys ready to proven 9/11 was an inside job?"

Apparently they believe Obama was born in Kenya.

Where is Bush's invasion of Iran I was promised?
What happened to Bush canceling the election and declaring Martial law like progressive claimed was going to happen?
What happened with the wacky Loose Change guys ready to proven 9/11 was an inside job?

"You still have no rationale why these POWs (of a non-existent country) shouldnt continue to be housed at Gitmo."

Simple.

Gitmo was created to provide legal buffers for illegal actions resulting from not treating these terrorists as POWs.

Treat them as POWs and the need for them to be housed at Gitmo ceases to exist.

Close Gitmo and you remove a recruiting tool for the terrorists while engendering good will with the allies we need in the fight against terrorism.

The only logic for keeping Gitmo open is for Bush deadenders who are looking to rehab his legacy.

If you look at Cheney's remarks that is exactly the context for it.

"Thanks- I'll take the Pentagon's word over self appointed "rights advocates"."

Of course you would.

BTW where are those WMD's?

"Rights advocates contend that many Guantanamo detainees have never taken up arms against the United States and say the Defense Department in the past has described former detainees as rejoining "the fight" because they spoke out against the U.S. government."

Thanks- I'll take the Pentagon's word over self appointed "rights advocates".

You still have no rationale why these POWs (of a non-existent country) shouldnt continue to be housed at Gitmo.

But we do have evidence why they should not be released.

"I don't think the Taliban has surrendered or signed any treaty. I think we are still fighting them."

Yes we are stillfighting the Taliban (thanks to a diversion of resources to the wrong war)

So if we choose to hold fighters as POWs, we would be within our rights to.

"Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Tuesday that 61 detainees are believed as of last month to have returned to the fight against the United States since being released."

ROFLMAO

"Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said 18 former detainees are confirmed as "returning to the fight" and 43 are suspected of having done in a report issued late in December by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Morrell declined to provide details such as the identity of the former detainees, why and where they were released or what actions they have taken since leaving U.S. custody."

Rights advocates contend that many Guantanamo detainees have never taken up arms against the United States and say the Defense Department in the past has described former detainees as rejoining "the fight" because they spoke out against the U.S. government.

WASHINGTON -- The number of Guantanamo Bay detainees who rejoined terrorist missions after being released is on the rise, the Pentagon said.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Tuesday that 61 detainees are believed as of last month to have returned to the fight against the United States since being released.
That's up from 37 detainees who were either known or suspected of rejoining terror efforts, although Morrell did not immediately know since when.

"So pursuant to any treaties signed with the Taliban their prisoner should be returned."

I don't think the Taliban has surrendered or signed any treaty. I think we are still fighting them.

"Cheney is an craven coward, who would not meet his military obligation to this country but is living vicariously through the bravery of our troops. Mr. Morally-Bankrupt Tough Guy."

Add to the above, the Flight Suit who told the terrorists to bring it on.

I don't know why anybody is interested in Cheney's opinion on anything.

"POWs are supposed to be returned when their state arranges a cessation of hostilities. The Afghan government was defeated years ago."

So pursuant to any treaties signed with the Taliban their prisoner should be returned.

"However the prisoners' allegiance really belongs to the stateless AQ. Is it possible this is a situation not anticipated by the Geneva Convention?"

The GC makes allowances for guerillas, militias, partisans etc. Basically stateless actors. And it has guidelines for their treatment.

"Note that you still have the dilemma of what to do with people you are confident are guilty but cant convict through legal channels."

Which is why they should be held as prisoners of war vs some extraneous legal definition that allows us to ignore Geneva Convention rules.

"The point of this stroy is that the vice President says keep them locked up while O's base wants them released."

Yes the war criminal loves his torture.

Thankfully we have a true American coming in as President who believes in American principles and values.

"Therefore I think Gitmo should be closed and the prisoners transferred to a military prison."

POWs are supposed to be returned when their state arranges a cessation of hostilities. The Afghan government was defeated years ago.

However the prisoners' allegiance really belongs to the stateless AQ. Is it possible this is a situation not anticipated by the Geneva Convention?

Note that you still have the dilemma of what to do with people you are confident are guilty but cant convict through legal channels. The point of this stroy is that the vice President says keep them locked up while O's base wants them released.

Cheney is an craven coward, who would not meet his military obligation to this country but is living vicariously through the bravery of our troops. Mr. Morally-Bankrupt Tough Guy. Hopefully, he will be prosecuted for the war criminal he is.

"So then you are in favor of leaving Gitmo open indefinitely to house the guys we know are guilty but cant convict under American rules of evidence."

My issue is with torture and the legal classification we have applied.

If we choose to hold people, they should be treated like POWs.

Its that simple.

Therefore I think Gitmo should be closed and the prisoners transferred to a military prison.

"That you seem unable to understand killing on the battlefield and torturing within our custody is not a shock."

So then you are in favor of leaving Gitmo open indefinitely to house the guys we know are guilty but cant convict under American rules of evidence.

"By the way, the so-called rules/right of a POW.... Those were created for soldiers in a army controlled by a government."

What a shock that you do not know the extent of the Geneva Conventions.

"They were created to allow for proper treatment of soldiers who are simply following order of superior officers."

Mike_c invokes the Nuremburg defense...is anyone surprised?

And that is not why Geneva Convention was created.

"Oh, and do not kid yourself, EVERY country that has ever engaged in a war of any kind has used torture on people they felt had critical information. EVERY COUNTRY!"

So are you saying that Americans are hypocrites when we claim we have moral standing and that we are a beacon of freedom & liberty?

Why do you hate America?

""counter-productive" to WHO??"

Gitmo and the torture done there has provided a recruiting boom to terrorists.

"We could have killed them on the battle field. They would not have to sit in jail and they would be no problem to us. "

Exactly.

"Perhaps instead of playing the bleeding heart for the bad guys, you might want to consider the lives of the people who protect this country and provide you your freedom to be a whiner."

Now I supposedly hate the troops!

How utterly predictable from the Keyboard Fightin 101st!