Cocktails and Pork

In the famous words of the best President we ever had in this modern age Ronald Reagan, "There they go again". Tax and spent and tax again, where will it end? God help us, when our economy completely collapses. The 11 Trillion dollar debt will open us up for foreign takeover, can you say "One World Order". Our Government is out of control. Speak up America before it is to late.

"What a wimp and a hypocrite"
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Name calling as talking point.

President Obama I think Americans are starting to wake up.

Obama said people in DC needed "Chicago toughness" to handle the snow and ice.

But he has to turn up the heat in the White House to be comfortable.

Pay your taxes on time and lower your thermostats--but my staff and I don't have to.

What a wimp and a hypocrite.

"Satan himself is going to be in the details" . .. hahaha

"This loser is a fraud and a hypocrite."
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Name calling as talking points.

there has got to be a way me and countless millions of other to retract our votes for Obama. This loser is a fraud and a hypocrite. He sets his thermostat high, yet demands that I don't; he nominated a tax dodger for Treasury Secretary, then demands that I pay my taxes; he preaches sacrifice, and then has the most expensive inauguration in history and dines on $100 steaks! Any corporate CEO is better than Obama. Change my ^*#$!!!

When can we start the impeachment process for Obama?

"On gma diane sawyer suggested it is not better to give the money to people than to have such this stimulus,
Is it not better for the people to work for the money and have something to show instead just giving the money away."

I think both have merit. People work to produce goods and services that are bought by consumers. If consumers have more money (less is given to the government, it's their money to begin with), they tend to spend it on more goods and services, or invest it. Draw back is that consumers are fickle and often paranoid. I had heard of a business that, under the fear of all the economic shortcomings, drew down his business and fired 6 of 10 employees when the work load was still the same. He is trying to get ahead of the hard times. Totally susceptible to psychological pressures.

Government funds also help with jobs, mostly helping the environment that the jobs are in, like infrastructure development. Contractors build them and will have to hire more people to build it, but it's less sustainable. Something in the future will have to step in and replace it. Eventually, other infrastructures not built by the government must take over to sustain those jobs.

Good news is the bill contains both, though in much larger proportion to the spending side.

Still surprising that congress just cannot pass a clean bill. I guess its the attitude you get when spending other peoples money.

Does Obama's staff ever think before they say something?

Telling America that Obama cranks up the heat in the White House Because he hates cold is just so hypocritical.

BO lectures us to sacrifice and cut down our thermostats but he doesn't.
It's not his money paying the bills.

Then telling people in DC they are wimpy because they can't handle the cold weather.

This is just too much fun--I didn't think BO would be exposed as a fraud this soon.

Jan. 27, 2006 - The Senate's top Republican decided Thursday to force a showdown on Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito early next week, with the two Democratic senators from Massachusetts pushing to block a vote.

"But it is also the right of every American to point out when someone is being obstructionist, ignorant, or just flat out stupid."

"And in the last 100 years the US has become the sole uncontested superpower, eliminated hunger within its borders, built the uncontested best graduate system in the world, invented the internet, put a man on the moon, defeated communism, eliminated smallpox"

Democrats did all that? I thought Americans did.

"The filibuster remained a solely theoretical option until 1841, when the Democratic minority tried to block a bank bill favored by the Whig majority by using this political tactic."

Democrats did it first!!!! Obstructionist creators!

Can we get away from the silly school yard argument now?

The Democratic Party maintained control of the House from 1954 until 1995. They often went back and forth in the other decades. I believe that still stands as the longest consecutive control of the house in its history.

There, you happy? I threw out numbers that still part of your meaningless argument.

KR: "FACT, Democrats have been in control of Congress for most of the last 100 years,"

And in the last 100 years the US has become the sole uncontested superpower, eliminated hunger within its borders, built the uncontested best graduate system in the world, invented the internet, put a man on the moon, defeated communism, eliminated smallpox - I'm more than happy accepting your assertion that Dems have controlled Congress the majority of the time since 1908. I suspect it's not supported by fact, but since it's irrelevant I don't really care.

Meanwhile, the past 20 years is actually relevant for people who care about what's happened since women got the vote and the Model T went out of style.

KR: "Ok fine lets lay out the numbers more accurately, the Democrats have been in power for most of the 20th century. Of course the numbers are going to point to Republican filibusters, they were the minority party for most of the last 100 years. Please, don't play numbers games."

I do notice you did not lay out ANY NUMBERS.

I compared two successive Congresses - one Republican, one Democrat. That is an entirely fair comparision, the most recent two years of each party, one after the other (no cold war vs tech boom cherry picking) Actually, it's biased towards *minimizing* Republican filibusters since the Republicans held the Whitehouse veto too.

The facts are clear and supported as you go back further. And do feel free to go back further if it will support your argument. Go back to the great Republican filibusters against civil rights for all I care. Does your opinion have any facts or reality supporting it?

"do you have ANY FACTS to support your opinion that Democrats are as obstructionist as Republicans? "

Honestly does the percentage of filibusters of Dems, vs. the percentage of Filibusters of Republicans, but in quota by the amount of years each were in power, really make a freaking difference? FACT, Democrats have been in control of Congress for most of the last 100 years, the minority parties are the ones that execute filibusters, logically the minority party will have more filibusters. Whats the freaking point?

When dems were filibustering Bush Supreme court nominees, I accepted it as part of politics. I don't keep a damn tally and say, "Well thats another half a percentage" Thats silly.

And first, don't assume my politics. I am for the stim bill. I'm against a 4 year stim bill. Knock it down to the 80 billion they want to spend this year and pass that. If more is needed next year, then do it again.

I think giving the government an 800 billion dollar check for the next 4 years is a mistake. If some in congress think so too, then they are representing me.

KR: "Repeat that when there is a Republican Senate or House. I bet you won't."

Even under the first Bush, who I happily voted for twice, I held the same opinion. But that is irrelevant on the larger scale - do you have ANY FACTS to support your opinion that Democrats are as obstructionist as Republicans? Even though Democrats are PROVEN BY REALITY to filibuster LESS and ultimately allow passage of legislation they disagree with to allow an incoming administration to implement their mandate(see 2000 Bush Tax Cuts)?

"There is NOT a filibuster for every case of Dems getting onboard. Look at the numbers, the facts, the reality"

Ok fine lets lay out the numbers more accurately, the Democrats have been in power for most of the 20th century. Of course the numbers are going to point to Republican filibusters, they were the minority party for most of the last 100 years. Please, don't play numbers games.

It is SILLY to play the numbers games. You cannot possibly sit on a high horse and talk about how morally superior the Democrats are because they have less filibusters? Is that what your saying?