President Obama's First Law

BertieW---wow, you went to wikipedia i see. why not read Rawls? justice and equality shouldn't be so threatening to you.

downeast65, don't confuse sports with actual work where men and women do exactly the same jobs. Lily Ledbetter was performing the identical job as the male supervisors. There was no logical reason to pay her 40% less. This was a clear case of injustice that is now corrected.
What a terrific law to be the first for Obama to sign!

so if women are to be treated equally should college teams start making two locker rooms for every team so women can play football and baseball like the men do? or should the women stay in their own sports like softball and volleyball

"Well we're paying now aren't we! I can't forgive them for promising 'small government' and delivering record deficits and record debts."

We aren't paying yet. That is still to come. I won't forgive them either for the deficits and spending. Doesn't mean we should accept even more now. Disappointment should be on both parties, especially with this huge stimulus package that goes out 4 years. Make congress knock it down to just what they plan to spend this year, and vote again next year. An 800 billion dollar check for 4 years seems an exploitation of public trust on a newly elected President.

"The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed."

Actually the "plans" to invade Iraq started in 1996 when the DOD was tasked to develop a plan to invade Iraq. Exercises of the plan were held in 97, 98, and 2000. I guess if you slap on the word Bush and Oil, you can make it say whatever you want.

"The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed."

I should say 'half a trillion overbudget spending every year.'

My Republicans really set a terrible standard. Half a trillion dollars further in debt every year 2002 through 2006. Why it made being in debt seem like some kind of trivial joke - especially with cutting back taxes as if nobody really has to pay.

Well we're paying now aren't we! I can't forgive them for promising 'small government' and delivering record deficits and record debts.

No way QT, I used to support the Republicans so strongly and then they just kept spending half a trillion dollars every year they controlled Presidency and the Congress from 2002 through 2006.

And then they continued to pretend they were the party of small government when they were driving the country further and further into debt at record rates.

I supported them before but not after such lying and hypocrisy. They're the party of oil executives, military industrial complex multi-national companies and fat cat executives pretending to be 'for the people' and for 'small government'. It became all too clear to me they lied and were just lining their pockets.

Check out the Bush connections to the repressive kingdoms in the middle east and the mutual OIL interests they own. Enough is enough.

I love those Republicans before but now . .. the love affair is over. I don't think anybody will take that party seriously ever again. Did you see the people at their convention?

@pefors

I understand what u r saying but the politcal pendelum always swings back its fine that you dont support the GOP now but you will change your mind once my dems ruin this country to the point that hell I will vote a GOP candidate until the balance of power is nuetralized and fiscal sanity is restore dem=more taxes and tons of welfare which is the called
stimulus package

"Oh and the Republicans are the party of anal retentive white males."

Talking point.

"read A Theory of Justice by John Rawls."

Good God- Rawls. Rawls and Amartya Sen are examples of people who start with an end and spend a lifetime constructing an elaborate intellectual framework trying to justify it.

Oh and the Republicans are the party of anal retentive white males.

QT the Republicans are no longer my party. They have become aging dinosaurs, oil company executives and military industrial complex creeps (like Cheney). I used to respect them, but now I've seen through the veneer. As soon as they started losing the election the name calling and fear and smear tactics come out - and its the same now. Name calling and fear tactics trying to smear the new President and his administration.

I will never vote Republican again. I have learned my lesson. The Republicans are the party of prehistoric lizards and pedophiles.

"Everyone has their own vision of America. And, whether you agree or disagree with others' visions of America, it is one of the things that make this country great."

---tjp612, Jan 30, 2009 1:06:37 AM

very well-said. true. and that really puts things in perspective.

@Paul Wall

Youre points are exactly right lawyers are poppin bottles while the people they represent are going to fork over millions in fees, the best stimulus money can buy, but I believe a new "Revolution 2.0" is coming we the people should form a new Boston Tea Party, No More Taxiation, With New Representation.

Everyone has their own vision of America. And, whether you agree or disagree with others' visions of America, it is one of the things that make this country great.

tjp612----thanks for your last post. i think i'm much closer to agreement with you now. thanks for the conversation. i close with good night, tjp612.

@ Paul Wall,

Appreciate your latest comments. I'll close out the evening with this: If companies are doing wrong by their employers (and I've been on the employer side) then employees should receive appropriate compensation to right the wrong. But I think a statute of limitations of 5 years would be a fair compromise...I just feel that while some employees (and their lawyers) may win in the the short-term, the cumulative effect of frivilous litigation, regulation, and oversight (mind you, not the "important and necessary" litigation, regulation to legitimately protect worker safety and rights, and the community in which companies operate) have the potential (and have) to hurt employees long term when businesses get tired of fighting and decide to move on. I've seen it first hand...

tjp612---i worked for a civil defense litigation firm for five years. yes, many cases were settled. of cases that went to trial because of outrageous plaintiff claims, the defendanse won 95% at trial. going to trial is always a risk for both parties.

we would have none of this mess is companies would just do the right thing. there are some good companies that bear the burden of bad companies.

but gone from the posts are any concern whatsoever about terms like "justice", "equality."

read A Theory of Justice by John Rawls. it's a long, meticulous book but plain and well reasoned.

ultimately these are moral issues. politicizing them is all well and good but at the end of the day, and it is the end of the day so many ways, there is right and wrong. and that gets lost in democrats vs. republicans.

People in this country have had enough I voted dem my whole life but since I have gotten my president that didnt think would every happen I feel as his election has liberated me from the dem party, I can now vote for any praty that has the best ideas I used to think my dems had the right answers because they sounded better than Bush, now that he's on the ranch, I will be supporting the GOP to balance out congress. I never thought that my own party would dupe me boy was I wrong

@ Paul Wall,

If only I could be so lucky to find myself "intellectually engaged" with you. It would provide me the opportunity to use some of those fancy words I've been savin' up.