Obama Signs SCHIP

What Obama supporters fail to realize is that. 47 % of he country did NOT. I repeat do NOT vote for Obama. Of those 47 % my opinion is most of them want Obama to fail. I'm counting down the years and months already. You people have raised Obama's bar so high. He can do nothing but fail. With this tobbaco tax, PROVES our president is a socialist. This is just the first of many taxes coming down the pike. So you don't smoke huh? Wait for taxes on tires to go up, in the name of road contruction costs. To be silly for sec. How about Obama raise taxes in candy bars, so he can start up a new Obesity program. Don't you Obama supporters get it yet? EVERY socialist program this guy creates, will be funded by YOU! It's called taxing one group to pay for another group. Smokers are just the start. America Obama supporters or not better wake up and smell the communism!

In my opinion, our Governor should clear California of all of these illegal alien from coming to this state draining all the resources. They should be sent back to their own country. We do not owe them anything. The are leaches. Americans are not getting jobs any more because those people are getting the jobs that Americans should get. California is in a mess because they have such the life out of this state, and they get every thing free where as our citizens cannot reap the benifits that our fore fathers and mothers worked so hard for.

Send those people back before California sinks

We have a Constitution. There is a 10th Amendment that states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Obama has already violated his oath of office and needs to be tried for treason, as do most Democrats and Republicans in Washington.

RE: Obama signs SCHIPS.
Editor:
I live in California, ground zero and the welfare state for illegal aliens.
According to Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, member of the State Budget Committee, it costs Californians $10.5 Billion a year to educate, medicate and incarcerate illegal alines. We have a deficit over $42 Billion!
Carmen

"No, we want the law to be followed and ensure that legal citizens are the only ones to recieve public treasury funds. Is that asking too much, or does the law not really matter?"

And these children by definition are legal citizens.

You cannot deny them services because of their parents.

Its a violation of the equal protection clause.

"You guys want to create a 2nd class citizenry in direct violation of the 14th amendment. "

No, we want the law to be followed and ensure that legal citizens are the only ones to recieve public treasury funds. Is that asking too much, or does the law not really matter?

As far as those who jump the border to have their kids so they can be US citizens, obviously there is something wrong with that. I would be in favor of changing the law to citizenship be granted at birth from those of legal status. I don't think that is unreasonable. My wife came here through all the legal methods and it ticks her off that others don't and get the same benefits. Why follow the law if the law is not followed?

"At some point your going to realize you lost!"

How did I lose?

You guys want to create a 2nd class citizenry in direct violation of the 14th amendment.

"Yes, the children are citizens, but at that time, people were expected to make it on their own!"

You may not have noticed but the country has rejected the idea of a government that does not assist the people a long time ago.

"Your attempts at trying to draw parallels between the immigrants of 1800’s and today’s illegal aliens are an insult to those people who came here and worked hard for they got!"

Your failure to realize that immigrants of today illegal and otherwise break their backs as much as the immigrants of 150 years is something I can't help you with.

So is it the skin color?

And I will gladly pay taxes for children's health insurance.
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Ryan C,

If your willing to pay for any child's heathcare, then I assume you are ready to jump on board and pay for 3 meals a day, comfortable housing, free education....and then provide them with a ready made job rght after college!

"The flat tax is a regressive tax as its impact upon those with less income is much greater than those will a great deal of income."

Interesting. Have you looked at the Tax systems of the former communist block countries, including Russia? All rejecting Carl Marx progressive taxation and adopting flat tax principles? If Russia abandoned Marx, why don't we? Obviously it didn't work for them.

"The program is likely to be so popular there is no way it will be cut."

So popular because people will become dependent on it, and thus dependent on Government. That's proven good practice in history huh?

"This is an expansion of the program."

So... we going to expand smokers too? Hard to believe this logic escapes you.

"And I will gladly pay taxes for children's health insurance."

And that should be your choice, not force the rest of the country to conform to your choices. Free country right? Make it a choice whether you pay into it or not. Novel idea?

Ryan,

At some point your going to realize you lost!

Yes, the children are citizens, but at that time, people were expected to make it on their own!

Guess what, there was no printing of government documents in a foreign language. The people were expected to learn ENGLISH! If they needed a doctor, but could not afford one, they either didnt go, or they gave up other things to help pay for the doctors services!

America was an OPPORTUNITY, NOT A HAND OUT!

Now if you can manage to get back to reality here, I still dont see where you have admitted this bill is seriously flawed and ripe for astronomical amounts of fraud!

Your attempts at trying to draw parallels between the immigrants of 1800’s and today’s illegal aliens are an insult to those people who came here and worked hard for they got!

"I'd be quite for that. At least I'd know what my taxes are this year cause as of right now, I don't have a clue."

The flat tax is a regressive tax as its impact upon those with less income is much greater than those will a great deal of income.

Right wingers love it because they see it as "starving the beast" to quote Norquist along with allowing rich people to accumulate more and more wealth and power.

"Thats rich. Scaled back or cut."

Oh I agree. The program is likely to be so popular there is no way it will be cut. That's why you keep trying to attach illegal immigration to it. Gets the right wing's racist wing all fired up.

"You are right about other revenue streams. It's called your wallet."

And I will gladly pay taxes for children's health insurance.

"hmm what did he sign then if this thing has been in for 10 years?"

This is an expansion of the program.

You made a blanket statement that health insurance based on tobacco taxes was doomed to fail in short order.

When in fact the program has been chugging along on tobacco taxes for 10 years now.

"Not sure the analogy is close enough to compare. Most of the Irish and Chinese you speak of came over by boat and were far easier to account for through the immigration process."

Millions came over and the only federal law was the submission of passenger lists. States were in charge of immigration.

So during a time when many quarters of this country felt besieged by the new waves of immigrants with a different religion or racial background, Congress and the states still decided that anyone born on US soil is a citizen regardless of parentage.

"Hmmm since its a ten year old program that has been running on tobacco taxes I doubt that will happen."

hmm what did he sign then if this thing has been in for 10 years?

"When a point is reached where the tobacco taxes are not enough to fund this, other revenue streams will have to be found or the program will have to be scaled back or cut. "

Thats rich. Scaled back or cut.

You are right about other revenue streams. It's called your wallet.

"I guess that kills Republican tax credit ideas for stimulus."

Surely it would, but then maybe we'd all think about a flat tax instead of using the tax system like some lever to pull when you don't like the way things are?

I'd be quite for that. At least I'd know what my taxes are this year cause as of right now, I don't have a clue.

"BIG problem here. As more people quit, less money to pay for child health care... then what? Your attaching a growing cost to a dwindling income. That's just plain stupid."

The goal is to reduce smoking while funding childrens health insurance.

When a point is reached where the tobacco taxes are not enough to fund this, other revenue streams will have to be found or the program will have to be scaled back or cut.

"This program will be bankrupt in 2 years."

Hmmm since its a ten year old program that has been running on tobacco taxes I doubt that will happen.

"Not to mention that using taxes to influence behavior is the doorway to abusive government. That is wrong and should be illegal."

So it should be illegal to use taxes to influence behavior.

I guess that kills Republican tax credit ideas for stimulus. After all tax credits are using taxes to influence behavior.

BIG problem here. As more people quit, less money to pay for child health care... then what? Your attaching a growing cost to a dwindling income. That's just plain stupid.

This program will be bankrupt in 2 years.
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KR,

Exactly,...but there is nothing hypocritical about that....according to the liberals!

I can't wait to see what Pelosi/Reid & Crew decide to do about oversight on this one!!!!