Conservatives Decry Homeland Security Report on "Rightwing" Extremism

I shed blood and took blood for this country and would willingly do it all over again. I will be damned if I wont fight when my country turns its back on me and my brothers/sisters who have and will give and take life for our commander in chief, no matter how idiotic he or she may be. Through the years, all the leaders of the united states have turned a blind eye and their back on all veterans and only take care of them when someone finally decides that enough is enough and speaks up. I learned that my country cares for nothing but power and money.

The insane, out-of-control polarized partisanship in America will bring America to an end if it continues in the direction it's going. THAT is preciesely what the DHS reports are acknowledging - right or left - it doesn't matter - tthey meet at the extremes.

One Amrica, or no America? It's your choice.

DHS needs to consider all threats, from all extremist groups whatever belief they hold, it bothers me that conservatives and military veterans would be a target of this report. Their are no facts to back this up, There are facts about so called immigration groups who are so extreme that they have beaten people who oppose them, and it has been caught on video. Reports and proof on suspious activity of groups accepting money from governments outside this country, who are considered not frendly to the United States. Such groups have discussed immigration policies of the United States with officals of such governments. And DHS is focus on groups, because they are white, as a threat, their are just as many Hispanic extremist groups who are opposing laws that the DHS is suppose to uphold. It needs, to stop and consider all angles of threats. when you do a threat report all threats must ne considered and it should have been labeled as a developing threat, along with other extreme groups activites. (White or not) who are conducting activties they come close to violating laws. DHS has a biased report, and continues to use the old Sterotype of Klan members, being a threat, while they still are, there are other threats to be considered, not all will resort to violent acts as DHS wants to think, most want to use the political process as a means to place leaders who want open borders, and replace exsisting laws, that would threaten National secuirty because of their ties with governments that want this country be a open place.

I used to have considerable respect for Jim Dobson - used to listen to him every day, in fact. That all ended when he left off preaching the Gospel and Christian living principles, and got into political meddling in violation of scripture. Dobson has become yet another right-wing hate monger, little different actually than Limbaugh.

How is quoting the story grounds to be removed? How is stating a fact from the story/report and agreeing that it could be true grounds to be removed. Yes, we vets are trained by the gov't. Yes, we were privy to methods and tactics and can execute those same tactics better than civies can. Yes, we can do more damage than your average civie. What in there is wrong or disrespectful?

"Some one the left obviously think there's a right wing extremist neocon behind every bush."----Hahaha. Not every Bush...just one big texas Bush.

Some one the left obviously think there's a right wing extremist neocon behind every bush. Why would they even put out a memo like this? I think it shows a lack of real acumen.

Where can we get or read a copy of this report of 4/16 ?

Dear Leader won because of a slick campaign/lots and lots of money, the fawning of the mainstream media, the suppression of anything negative about Him by the mainstream media, the idea that going Democrat would automatically solve everything, and McCain's mistakes.

I wouldn't take too much heart in His win because the Liberal Socialism many of you espouse here is not what folks voted for...handouts, maybe, but not to start singing the Internationale in ACORN-run communes. In short, you guys are quite alone apart from the Hollywood/MSM elitists, college professors and illegal immigrants.

The Present really needs to get a hold of this situation. But, I suspect that the Left is actually trying to goad people into trying something so that they can be dealt with once and for all, and allow the Marxists even greater, more permanent powers. And if they don't try something, the Marxists will get what they want anyway...pretty much a win-win for them and a royal screwing for the country as a whole.

We can sit around and imagine such things happening 'over there somewhere', but it will be where we all live. Everything will be shut down.

We'd rather keep it strictly political of course, but my take on it is that the extremely vile talk over the last 8 years from the Left has made it seem OK to those on the Right. What makes you Libs think that it's only the Black Panther/Weather Underground types that are capable of going ape? Paradoxically, accusing people of being terrorists who really aren't might set them off.

Also, who's to say that some Communist group won't start something? They've tried before.

Despite you Liberals going off about George Bush, -he's at home in Texas looking at blueprints of his library. He's outta there. He was not an extremist. But the People's Choice is. Hopefully, future generations will learn what a real extremist looks like and not vote for them. But television would have to become extinct first I suppose.

I hope that all this is worth it so that a few people can feel good about themselves being 'progressive' and 'citizens of the world'.

@AlchyDave25:
Did you actually read the report yourself?

(1) The scope of the report is on radical and VIOLENT groups/individuals, not all people opposed to abortion or immigration. The report in NO way characterizes all people who hold those views to be radical or violent.

(2) It is also not about people who are against immigration or illegal immigration, just the ones that are radical or violent. The entire report is pretty much centered around hate groups...glad to see you are lumping yourself in with these nut jobs.

(3) "Thus the DHS is labeling people who oppose crime as "Radical". Nice peice of work there!"

It does no such thing, if you read it with the scope of the report in mind and read it objectively you can see that is clearly not the case.

(4) "The issues being, Foreclosures, Unemployment and Tight Credit. So now we have the DHS saying that people whom oppose those issues and are attempting to rectify them are "Recruiting Radicals".

Again, you are making incorrect assumptions about the report. It is not saying that people who "oppose" those issues are radical, it is saying a combination of those issues (current economic, credit, housing, and employment issues, among other things) can make people who already have radical leanings even more so. In other words the stress of those issues can make people more likely to either be influenced by radical groups or become live out their already radical tendencies.

Just out of curiosity, does this report tell us anything about the radical right that we don't already know? They have guns and will kill every last one of us to keep them. I get it! I get it!

XMARKS: Again, I am a Conservative, I've no political axe to grind, so lets review your comments in light of logic and reason. You mentioned "Right wing Media." Although not 100% so, that statement is an elegant oxymoron.
If the so called "Right Wing Media" needed to "pump up" their ratings, why are the Leftist and Liberals so adament to get "equal time" on the talk radio shows? It's the "Air America" type buffonery that can't stay afloat. Mssrs. Hannity, Limbaugh, Et Al are doing just fine. Someone is LISTENING to THEM. Is that what scares you?
The D.H.S. is a Governmental agency. You and your ilk, have, for whatever inane reason, installed a Left leaning, Liberal Democratic Government.
THEY have defined "Right Wing Radical" as, among other things, groups "dedicated to a single issue, SUCH AS opposition to Abortion or immigration." Now, lots of folks, of all political stripes, oppose abortion, since its premise flies in the face of proven science AND nature. Better look askance at your neighbors! Few folks take real exception to immigration, it's ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO OUR COUNTRY we dislike. That, by definition, makes the enterees criminals. Thus the DHS is labeling people who oppose crime as "Radical". Nice peice of work there!
The DHS further states that the "Right Wing Radicals" play on fears about "emergent issues". The issues being, Foreclosures, Unemployment and Tight Credit. So now we have the DHS saying that people whom oppose those issues and are attempting to rectify them are "Recruiting Radicals".
What a swell bunch, our leaders, and what a rum crew, us humans. The DHS would not seem to fit easily into either group.

If you can point me to the line in the report that says all soldiers are unhinged nutjobs, or all pro-lifers are dangerous fanatics, or that everybody concerned about illegal immigration is a murderous fanatic, I promise to try to work up some outrage.

Otherwise... looks like another tempest in a teapot, hmm?

This is simply a ploy by right wing media to pump up their ratings.

If there weren't any non-issues for Hannity to whine about, why would anybody watch him?

I am a conservative. That is NOT a political position as much as it is a way of life. I believe in The Constitution, minimal government, the rule of law, demonstrably provable scientific facts, The Golden Rule, the value of reasoned cynicism and SELF-RESPONSIBILITY. If that is sufficient to brand me a "Right Wing Extremist", then I stand proudly accused. I believe the TRUELY dangerous among us are those who would modify the above principals for self centered reasons. People who would encourage a "Fairness Doctrine" on COMMERCIAL enterprise such as talk radio. (do it on PBS stations, thats fine) Those same folks would faint if it was carried over into T. V. or newsprint, the "Liberals" would be out of jobs. Or folks whom legalized killing their own young under the guise of personal "Right to manage their own body." No such "Right" exists, so they persuaded The Supreme Court to create one just for them. They care not a whit for pregnant women whom have been incarcerated for NOT properly careing for their pre-birth children. So much for true concern. We have a legal system that will convict one person of murder for taking the life of a fetus prior to birth, yet PAY a Doctor for doing the exact same thing. We have a social culture that attempts to DEMAND all of us to treat members of a minority, cul-de-sac, micro society as "normal", when in fact they are ABNORMAL by ANY measurement or definition of nature. If you have friends, relatives or neighbors whom think like that, then you know some REALLY dangerous extremists operating under color of "Liberal" ideals.

I find it ironic that the republicans, who endorsed and promoted spying on the citizens of the US, manipulated the threat alert levels to elect their choice in president and wasted a trillion dollars and thousands of American lives fighting a threat that didn't exist, decry a DHS report which highlights a valid potential threat which needs to be addressed.

Apparently, in their utter lack of valid stand on any current political, social or economic issue, they grandstand with irrelevancies and settle for twisting the words of a serious report to instigate an atmosphere of contrived outrage.

Given the fact that most of the US right-wing "patriotic" organizations have a much higher percentage of vets in them than in the general public, they would be better served by saying, "Look, we put in place the mechanisms that let you monitor these misguided men and women. So if you catch anyone doing something bad in the US, you have us to thank."

Instead, they shoot themselves in the foot. I'd not want to be a Republican for the next decade or two. Their abdication of the GOP leadership to the likes of Limbaugh has amply demonstrated their lack of insight into what America needs and wants. Their retreat toward their 'core' ideals has left them even further from the heart of the average American as well. They call for political unity when the winds blow their way and call for secession (The Texas Governor has floated the idea) when the winds blow against them.

It's obvious that political power means more to them than standing by their country in good times and bad. The heart of the Republican is a coward's heart, full of fear and hatred and lust for power. They wave the flag to promote their power when it suits them, and then dump it on the ground and stomp on it when they don't get their way.

Fortunately, much like the dinosaur, the old-school Republican is rapidly going extinct and what we hear of them today is just the death rattle of the GOP. The 'liberal' thing to do would be pull the plug. But Karma says otherwise. Like their intervention in the Terry Schaivo euthanasia case, let's employ their right to life philosophy and watch them struggle to the last in their painful and mindless attempts to retain some slim measure of political life before pulling the shroud over the party forever.

Posted by: skunkwerx | Apr 16, 2009 10:07:44 AM

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Sorry ,but most of your argument is as holey as swiss cheese. And honestly I don't care to illuminate you on this matter because democratic lawmakers will do what is needed whether people like you or the other gun nuts agree or not ,which is good. Your opinions are just that , and are not based on facts or reality but are based on things you have heard or read or whatever on some right wing leaning gun loving media outlet (like Fox ,or the plethora of more crude ,vicious ones ,that peddle hate and intolerance ,the very nexus of this article in fact) .

Far too many Americans ,especially conservatives it seems , think their opinions are golden The problem is that they largely are undereducated but at the same time they are rabidly opinionated to the point of being impossible to reason with ,as is your case/predicament. Not unusual today at all , just rather perplexing to the rest of the non-whackos ,who can't figure out why anyone would say or do such sophomoric and occasionally illegal things.

No one is coming for your .22 or target clay , that is just hyperbolic alarmist fear mongering ,the likes of which got 3 policemen killed just lately.

Just like screaming out "FIRE!" in a crowded theater ,you really DON'T have the right to say whatever you think ,and when you (or an entity) incites others to illegal civil disobedience (or worse) YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!

Why don't you write letters to their widows and kids explaining your viewpoint that "THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING FOR ALL OUR GUNS!!"

People like you are very responsible for the rabble you rouse with your strident affirmations of what you THINK.

When/if you can get a consensus of INTELLIGENT people to agree with your deluded/simplistic/ misinformed opinions , then you might have something worthwhile .

As long as your main affirmations come from groups/individuals with deep pro-gun leanings your opinion is just a glad hand for what they say ,you are just parroting what they tell you to think ,with no real thought or reasoning behind your opinions.

That would be ok ,if you didn't spout out such drivel for the world to hear , just like the rest of the gun crazies who go on and on about the 2nd amendment ,then in the same sentence start in on the "wheres his birth certificate ?" or " he is not a christian ,he is a muslim terrorist!" or " look look , he got his kids a swingset ,he wasted taxpayer $$$ ,or worse ...Such commentary is quite obviously overtly pre-biased towards one political party ,ridiculous and unworthy of much attention ,like your pro-gun rant/ silliness.

I am a gun owner, with several firearms and I am not worried about my guns getting taken away at all, and neither are most sane rational Americans as well.

A Hit Dog will holler!!!!!

ryanc,dale in co

gotcha!

"More right wingers parroting the lies they were told." Do you think that lies are exclusive to the right?

Surely Rachael Madcow or Olbermann would never spread lies or slant or spin. They are as guilty as Rush etal. Instead of being our watchdogs, all of them driving wedges between us.

I am a registered democrat (not a liberal) and am ###### off at what we are becoming. I can't stand what the dem/gop parties have migrated toward and it makes me ill. It's nothing but a power grab.

Dale in co
"I am sure you have an argument that supports ownership of assault weapons .,silencers, machine guns (need a class3 lic),grenades ,tanks ,battleships,wmds etc and other paramilitary weaponry by the public (Can't recall seeing any of these for public sale) that pertains to the 2nd Amendment?"

nope can say that i do! I do not have a class 3 license nor do I want one. As far as paramilitary (your definition) rifles are concerned, an assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with selective fire capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes. All civilian versions are semi only thus are not, contrary to the chronic attempts to do so by the brady bunch. There is no functional difference between my Browning BPS trap shotgun and my Mossberg 500 with a collapsible stock. They are functionally identical all else is ergonomic.

If you read HB1022 it clearly states that the AG has the sole discretion to define what a sporting purpose firearm is regardless of it design. It also gives him the authority to blanket ban at will. My 22 rifle and my semi auto benelli sporting clay shotty are on the proposed ban list as it is written now. What does this tell you? They do not want any firearms at all. No wonder people are spooked.

I do agree that there are whack jobs that have no business possessing anything more than a butter knife. It all goes to intent. Aryan Nation, Stormfront and the Black Panthers have an intent that is different than mine or yours. It's criminal. Prosecute criminal activity not the average enthusiast. If the AG waved his magic wand today and confiscated all powder charged weapons, do you think that these groups would not or could not get them from underground sources?

"What is clearly overkill and too dangerous for public use"? I do not publicly use anything in my safe. I know of no one that walks down the street with an AK strapped to his chest. Whats more dangerous to society, me or the hordes of teen drivers with cars sporting more horsepower than a formula racer of the 60's? If you really want to talk overkill and a public threat look there. Am I on the House floor and on the network media claiming moral high ground and restricting anyone's choice?

In a nutshell, my choices and intentions come with a thorough background check and a proper registration, all within the legal limits. Everything I own is LEGAL. (until...)