President Obama to Face Opposition from Gun Lobby, Possibly Democrats, to Ratify Treaty on Firearms Trafficking

From the ACLU FAQ page:

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ACLU POSITION

“Given the [U.S. Constitution's] reference to “a well regulated Militia” and “the security of a free State,” the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court’s 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view."

"The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.’s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia."

"The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court’s conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue."

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The HR45 bill, at
prescribes draconian licensing measures surpassing what it takes to receive a driver's license.

Enough is enough!
It’s time to cease and desist from assaulting our Civil Liberties!

Gun ownership is NOT to be relegated to a mere privilege to be licensed out by the Federal Government; it is a CONSTITUTIONALLY-MANDATED LIBERTY, a FACT which has been UPHELD by the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in “D.C. v. Heller!

Contact your congressional representatives and make your voice heard!

No ... to any further restrictions on gun ownership.

NO!

Obama has tried to renew the 12-year-old effort to open the back door to an assault on the 2nd amendment. Moreover, this proposed treaty would make the identities of this nation's gun owners accessible to OTHER NATIONS like Mexico! Obama is promoting the LIE that 90% of guns used by Mexican drug cartels are trafficked over the border from the U.S. in order to play on fear to push this insidious "treaty" upon the American people.

Even if there is in fact some percentage of guns flowing illegally over the border, how would that translate into this ridiculous "treaty" to invade the privacy of American citizens who choose to exercise their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms??

And as for HR45 Gun control?? NO! It's time to cease and desist from assaulting our Civil Liberties! Enough is enough!

Contact your congressional representatives and make your voice heard!

Signed,
another ACLU-card-carrier, PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL-GONE-LIBERTY LOVING, DEMOCRAT.

P.S. Where is the outrage in the ACLU ??? HELLO!! American CIVIL LIBERTIES Union !!

FIRECONGRESS
get the bums out in 2010

what do you think the sons of the american revolution would have said or done if the british would have demanded the guns in america be licensed or counted? revolution, plain and simmple. when the gov't doesnt serve the people time for a new gov't. People: wake up, stand up, defend your rights. the revolution is coming again, this govt doesnt care about you, will not defend the constitution(even tough they swore an oath to). The have taken all
your saving, put you and your children in debt, the'll start taking your property and making you all slaves to the Fed reserve and you will do nothing? I will! and dont be surprised when the soldiers come back or the vets already here. We will stand up against this assault of America. Stand by her, defend her or live as slaves....LIVE FREE OR DIE !

Why is America at fault for items smuggled into Mexico? If we are then are they at fault for items smuggled into America? Why are the Mexican boarder police not protecting their boarder from in bound illegal products? It would appear that the Mexican boarder authorities are making money by the two way traffic at the boarder and if they are not interested in stopping the illegal traffic then it makes it harder for our boarder police to do so. If anyone thinks the Mexican police are not in on this smuggling, just look how many of them have been arrested for corruption? If the chief of police in one area is taking money, most of the officers on his force are also. We can not protect the boarder for both countries.
I think the percent of firearms ID as American is not correct, it is more like 90% of the weapons taken in Mexico to not come from here.

This treaty is about gun control. Many of us sportsmen, gun owners and law enforcement personnel voted Democrat' in large part, due to promises made during the last campaign.

While ratification of this treaty may not technically be a broken promise just the support of it goes against the color and perceived intent of those promises. Do not forget that a Democrat controlled Congress and Presidency came from the mainstream of America. 150 millions of us who own firearms listened to those promises.

As an american i must confess: the problem with criminals in the US can be greatly helped by a proper education system (US education is worst in the developed world). There is also nothing liberating about owning a gun, you have more responsibility. If your enemy doesnt own a gun, you wont need one to defend yourself from them. And as Eistein once said: there is nothing as harmful to a government as a law that cannot be enfored -> im talking about anti drug laws, the only way they can get any control is through legalization. i dont know if im right, but it seems more logical,or it could be a first step, but we should remain open minded: we could always update a 200 year old document with which we govern ourselves. Lets be a good neighbour to mexico and help them instead of always trying to cut them off, problems will keep coming back to us until they are solved.

As a life time member of the NRA, I was extremely disappointed with the failure of these strict constitutionalists to take up arms when the Bush administration and congress passed the patriot act, a legal precedent to remove some of our essential liberties that is far worse than anything the present administration has yet proposed! I guess the only time we should vigorously defend the constitution is when our weekend hunting trip is threatened or it helps the Republican party.

Yeah, I am a very pro-2A liberal Dem (there are a lot more of us than you might think). AWB, "gunshow loophole", "smart guns," all obvious infringements.

But I am having a hard time seeing the big deal about this one. Don't we already license the manufacture and export of arms? Don't we already share information? Mexico gives the ATF guns, and we tell them where they came from.

My mind is open on this one, but I just don't see the down side here.

El_Pajaro,

Would you please explain what is irrational about taking responsibility for the safety of one's person, family and property?

And would you care to explain why my owning a firearm contributes to any sort of crime problem?

You are correct. Many recent studies have shown a direct correlation between guns and violent crime. In every single State where citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons, as the number of permits granted rose, violent crime went down.

More people are killed each year in automobile accidents and poison than they are by firearms, and there are far more firearms than automobiles in this country. Shall we ban automobiles too?

The solution does not lie with limiting freedom.

Lydia,

Name one single gun-control law that has made anyone safer. For that matter, just name one single gun-control law that has kept a single criminal from obtaining a firearm.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

This is as true today as it was in 1764 when Cesare Beccaria penned those words. they were still true when Thomas Jefferson referenced them in his "Commonplace Book".

Why do we need any more treaties or gun-control laws when we don't (because we cannot) enforce the ones on the books? The only thing gun-control laws accoomplish is to disarm law-abiding citizens leaving them at the mercy of the criminals and/or tyrants.

Guns are not the problem. Criminals are. Instead of more gun-control, we should be concentrating on criminal control.

Maybe bin laden has left over guns our govt gave him he can replace law abiding citizens with, or there's always Olly North. Educate yourselves people!

Why should my rights be violated for the Mexicans??

They bring the mooching illegal selves across our border and demand help and $$$$

They are the problem, and there is no way in hell we need to have a treaty unless it includes laws that allows instant arrest and deportation for anyone sneaking into America.

Also no way in hell are we gonna obey any treaty.

I'm not going to get a license or ask permission to build me a rifle or reload ammo.

Ban rifles?? We all saw what happened when they tried to take down one guy with a rifle in PA.

There has been 100 million(as per ATf NICS) firearms sold in the US since 1998.

This number does not include private sales.

There is no Army in the world that can disarm America.

Travis
re' "The TEA parties are just the tip of a rebellious ice berg"

this is manufactured hypocrisy by conservatives and republicans...... the proof of this is easy to discern: if these people were so concerned about their issues related to the 'tea-baggers' tax & spending concerns, why weren't they out when Bush was president, and the republicans massively increased the deficit?

If they were so concerned about economics, why weren't they taking to the streets last fall
when Bush was president and the 'bailout' was first taking shape?

Like everything else Conservative/Republican,
it's a meaningless slogan with no substance or
plan to actually do anything to address the problem, just make stuff up, blame someone, bring up god, abortion and immigration and hope that everyone believes you and doesn't ask any follow up questions.

Selling out our rights, our national sovereignty, and our nation to save the failed state of Mexico is a monument to human stupidity. Why should I lose my right to bear arms just because the Mexican government is perpetually corrupt and inept, and unable to establish enough order to keep its own subjects from fleeing from it? And that 90% of guns coming from us is garbage. You can't buy RPGs from a gun shop in the US. Those come from Latin America- corrupt militaries, clandestine arms factories, and the like. This treaty won't do anything to stop that either- laws only affect the ones who obey them....

He has lied about everything right down to his promise to get a shelter dog. There is not one thing real or true about this man --

The TEA parties are just the tip of a rebellious ice berg. If Obama and the dems go for 2nd ammendment retrictions, there will be hell to pay. I see where the PINK Panthers are already up in arms bout the threat of such, so said hell will come from those of all politcal stripes.

For all this talk, I was just wondering if anyone could point me in the direction to buy a fully automatic AK-47 or M4 here in the states. Know of any gun dealers that sell them?? Please read this with sarcasm as any truly informed individual would catch my drift.

'Conservatives are so incensed by warnings about the threat of right wing radicalism that they're considering overthrowing the federal government.'