Obama Administration Considering Turning Over 100 Yemeni Gitmo Detainees to Saudi Arabia Terrorist Rehab Center

"We presently house worse desperado's in detention facilities within U.S. borders."

Worse desperadoes? You equate terrorists with common criminals such as murderers, rapists, etc?

Give us an example of a criminal in detention that is worse than a terrorist that would blow up an airplane. Thanks

"Water-boarding topped the list. AMERICAN judges convicted many of them and they were HANGED, while others went to prison. "

Many Japanese were executed for water boarding prisoners to death. What is your source that "waterboarding topped the list" What list?

I don't believe that's a good idea(sending the detainees to Saudi Arabia). After reading the article, I get the impression Gates has NOT thought this through enough. I trust the Saudis as much as I trust Bush, Cheney, and Bin Liden. They have one of the most repressive governments on the planet. That country is a breeding ground for terrorists. Very bad move.

"I find it quite hypocritical to lament the possibility of another 3000 more Americans possibly dying, in defense of the Bush administration actions. Instead of 3000 more Americans dying to date, the actions have seen the death of more than 4200 American military personnel, countless more American civilian personnel, 90,000 innocent Iraq civilians, with another estimated 3 million displaced. And that's not to mention the coalition casualties as well as a nations infrastructure destroyed. Just once, I'd like to see a top tier official from the Bush administration stand up and state, "we were wrong". What can we do to right that wrong? The one to do that would of course be George H.W. Bush."
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devilkev ,

Are you ready to condemn Obama for all the deaths in Afghanistan? There are going to be plenty. Soldiers, civilians & terorists alike.

Rather than continuing to play Monday morning QB, here is your chance & the opportunity for ALL liberals who agree with your statements to stand up and DEMAND that Obama bring our troops home from the Afghanistan theatre of operations right now! Similar results are about to occur over there, and your a bigger fool than you appear if you think otherwise.

so we paraphrase Nixon now, if America does it it's not a crime?

Mr. Hyena,
During the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the
International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
Japanese soldiers were charged with torture technique on prisoners of war (WW2). Water-boarding topped the list. AMERICAN judges convicted many of them and they were HANGED, while others went to prison.

and:

Number of Axis POWs detained in camps on the U.S. mainland at the end of WWII: roughly 425,000.

Right, send these jihadists for "rehabilitation" to the Whabi homeland and citadel. That is level headed? Secretary Gates has turned acrocephalic.

No, the covert circumstances which captured those fanatic killers prohibit bringing them to the US for trial. They will conclude in their release into US society.

That is the fix which the Administration's cheap posturing and foolish abandonment of Guantanamo, a perfectly good solution for an impossible situation, has created. Now Gates is contemplating releasing deadly scorpions, captured at great cost, back to their nest. Brilliant.

The one to do that would of course be George H.W. Bush.
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What does the 41st president have to do with military action undertaken by the 43rd?

I don't understand the problems the right wingers are airing about transferring the Gitmo folks to facilities in the United States. We presently house worse desperado's in detention facilities within U.S. borders. Besides, according to Condoleezza Rice in a recent statement at Stanford University, Gitmo wasn't anything but a medium security facility. A quote from her speech at Stanford
" No, no dear, you're wrong. Alright. You're wrong. We did not torture anyone. And Guantanamo Bay, by the way, was considered a model "medium security prison"
In that same speech, she had this to say.
"And I'll tell you something. Unless you were there in a position of responsibility after September 11th, you cannot possibly imagine the dilemmas that you faced in trying to protect Americans. And I know a lot of people are second-guessing now, but let me tell you what the second-guessing that would really have hurt me -- if the second-guessing had been about 3,000 more Americans dying because we didn't do everything we could to protect them."
I find it quite hypocritical to lament the possibility of another 3000 more Americans possibly dying, in defense of the Bush administration actions. Instead of 3000 more Americans dying to date, the actions have seen the death of more than 4200 American military personnel, countless more American civilian personnel, 90,000 innocent Iraq civilians, with another estimated 3 million displaced. And that's not to mention the coalition casualties as well as a nations infrastructure destroyed. Just once, I'd like to see a top tier official from the Bush administration stand up and state, "we were wrong". What can we do to right that wrong? The one to do that would of course be George H.W. Bush.

To provide guidance for the slow reading group, here is a good working definition of "specific intent": "An intent to produce the precise consequences of the crime, including the intent to do the physical act that causes the consequences."

There is no lawyer in America dumb enough to argue the Mr. Bybee or Mr. Yoo had any intent even to produce torture, let along the intent to "do the physical act" of the alleged torture. There are certainly laymen who are dumb enough to make such an argument--as we have seen--but in the eyes of the law and the Obama justice department the two men have been exonerated.

I know this is terribly difficult for moonbats to come to grips with, but I think in the long run it will do them good. What now seems a bitter disappointment will actually make them stronger, and build character. Look on the bright side.

"Right wing torture apologist for the National Review" quoting directly from the Obama justice department's brief. That brief affords an ironclad defense for Bybee and Yoo, and thus they will not be charged. Count on it, and get over it.

"The point of waterboarding is to inflict severe pain and suffering."

Actually it isn't, but regardless of whether it is, the point of writing a brief is not. Talk to a lawyer about it. He or she will explain to you why no prosecutor could proceed with a crimial case against Bybee or Yoo, knowing that this brief with his own name on it was going to hit him in the face.

It certainly seems that Mr. Holder and I have reached the same conclusion. The only conclusion the moonbats have reached is that they're doomed to be very unhappy that Messrs. Bybee and Yoo are now deemed by the administration not to have committed any crime.

Yeah, they'll turn 'em over to the Saudi rehab camps - which don't work. Then they'll rejoin their brothers in jihad, as somewhere north of 100 former detainees already have. But the Pollyanna's will be able to sleep at night.

Let us return briefly to the subject of torture, shall we? The following is an excerpt from a brief filed two weeks ago in a federal appellate court by the Obama/Holder Justice Department.

In arguing that there is no reason not to deport a former SS guard to Germany despite his fears that he may be tortured, the DoJ maintainss that even if he were at risk of torture, and indeed even if he were in fact tortured, deporting him would not violate US law or the Convention Against Torture. The law would not be violated because there is no specific intent on the part of those deporting him to cause severe mental pain and suffering.

This argument was made at virtually the same moment that Holder was leaving the door open to the prosecution of two Bush administration lawyers for the crime of writing a brief defining the meaning of the term. Quoth Holder’s Justice Department:

“[T]orture is defined as ‘an extreme form of cruel and inhuman treatment and does not include lesser forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. . . . ‘ 8 C.F.R. § 1208.18(a)(2). Moreover, as has been explained by the Third Circuit, CAT requires ‘a showing of specific intent before the Court can make a finding that a petitioner will be tortured.’ Pierre v. Attorney General, 528 F.3d 180, 189 (3d Cir. 2008) (en banc); see 8 C.F.R. § 1208.18(a)(5) (requiring that the act ‘be specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering’); Auguste v. Ridge, 395 F.3d 123, 139 (3d Cir. 2005) (‘This is a ‘specific intent’ requirement and not a ‘general intent’ requirement’ [citations omitted.] An applicant for CAT protection therefore must establish that ‘his prospective torturer will have the motive or purpose’ to torture him. Pierre, 528 F.3d at 189; Auguste, 395 F.3d at 153-54 (‘The mere fact that the Haitian authorities have knowledge that severe pain and suffering may result by placing detainees in these conditions does not support a finding that the Haitian authorities intend to inflict severe pain and suffering. The difference goes to the heart of the distinction between general and specific intent.’)"

And yet, for public consumption, these people actually let it be publicly understood that Messrs. Bybee and Yoo might have committed criminal acts. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

"The point of waterboarding is to inflict severe pain and suffering."

I disagree. Why do you think the democrat Congress has not passed a law saying that? They could you know - probably in a day if the President wanted it.

chicago is the place to release them they can pitch tents in the vacant lot next to obamas mansion the mobster sold him for half the price.

Yeah, release them Obama. Coming Soon, "Watch for planes flying low to a city near you"

How many Americans will die because of the president's recklessness.

If an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield is considered a criminal and subject to criminal trial, what crime would he be charged with?

Has ANYONE met/KNOWN ANYONE WHO HAS EVER BEEN REHABILITATED IN THE SYSTEM, ANY SYSTEM WITH PRBLEMS LIKE THOSE??

UMMMM......

PATHETIC WASTE OF OUR MONEY.

Ryan C, I understand your view and the administrations view of torture.

The point is that the administration is using the arguement for which Yoo and Bybee may face disbarment, to plead it's case in Demjanjuk v. Holder.