President Talks Climate Change, 'Cash for Clunkers,' with House Democrats

i dont have a car because i cant afford one, can i have $4500 to buy one of the clunkers?

“His administration has spent, lent or guaranteed $12.8 trillion in taxpayer dollars to Wall Street and insolvent banks . . . Brand Obama has allocated nearly $1 trillion in defense-related spending and the continuation of our doomed imperial projects in Iraq, where military planners now estimate that 70,000 troops will remain for the next 15 to 20 years. . . Brand Obama has refused to ease restrictions so workers can organize and will not consider single-payer, not-for-profit health care for all Americans.”

America, we warned you. Barack Obama never was and never will be an agent of change in Washington. He is, always was, and always will be a hologram of leadership manufactured by Machiavellian Marketeers who want nothing more than to continue the de-democractization of the United States begun by Ronald Reagan. The lesson the Machiavellian Marketeers who fix elections for their corporate donors learned from the Bush era is that if the messenger eventually becomes a person reviled by the masses, as George W. Bush became, you don’t have to change the message. All you have to do is change the Messenger.

Yes I agree. During a recession, when jobs are being shipped overseas and unemployment rates are up. Now would be a FANTASTIC time to increase the average household utility expenditure $2000-3000 a year.

Oh Mr. President you are frickin Genenius. Why didn't I think of that.

Oh and that man made global warming thing is completely undebatable (or it will be if Al Gore gets his way)

Naive little me, I really thought that maybe the earth has cycles, kinda like a previous ice age and tropical fossils in dry areas and vice versa. Oh and I was under the impression that sun spots are affecting the temperatures of the other planets in our solar system. They seem to be increasing a little all their own without man. But what do I know?

The 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, an annual industry study conducted by Brown-Wilson Group, found that green technology jobs are being created faster in India than in the US since Obama took office.

The report, which was released two weeks ago, surveyed 4,000 businesses around the world, including Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot. Doug Brown, co-author of the Green Outsourcing Report, told The New Indian Express, “We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms.”

Soaring energy costs and regulatory pressure have put pressure on firms in the US and Europe to embrace green technologies. 84% of companies outsourcing green jobs are doing so because of skyrocketing energy costs, compared to 12% and 18% in the past few years, respectively. Most corporations seeking to outsource a service or product require impeccable green credentials in their suppliers before handing over work, the report says.

US corporations, focusing on survival strategies during the long-lasting recession, have offshored more than 22,000 new green-collar jobs to India alone. Firms seeking stabilized energy and labor costs while trying to convince consumers of their eco-friendly practices are more often turning to Indian green-collar workers than American ones, according to Brown-Wilson Group.

"Spain’s unemployment rate rose to 17.4 percent in the first quarter, more than double the European Union average. And it's continuing to surge upward. Green jobs didn't save their economy. Sorry."

Yes forget that study I posted was debunked, let's move the goalposts!

Spain’s unemployment rate rose to 17.4 percent in the first quarter, more than double the European Union average. And it's continuing to surge upward. Green jobs didn't save their economy. Sorry.

"Study of the Effects on Employment of Public Aid to Renewable Energy Sources"

Two weeks ago, José María Roig Aldasoro, Regional Minister of Innovation, Enterprise and Employment Government of Navarre rebutted Calzada’s claims in a letter arguing that that green investment “has created wealth, employment and technological development” in Spain. Navarre is a small region of Spain that is well-known throughout the world for its development in renewable energies. After 20 years of development, 65% of the electrical energy consumed in Navarre originates from renewable energies.

Aldasoro breaks down the actual history of green job creation in Navarre:

– 1994: Unemployment at 12.8%, first wind farm erected.
– 1998: Unemployment at 10%, 100 installed megawatts of wind power.
– 2001: Unemployment at 6.8%, two R&D and worker-training centers are opened.
– 2007: Unemployment of 4.76%, total of 100 new renewable-energy companies created, representing 5% of total GDP.”

"It is actually. So please help me figure out how much co2 in the atmosphere is needed to cause death as quickly as drinking a glass of hydrocyanic acid."

I was making an analogy between how effective hydrogen cyanide was as a toxin compared to how effective CO2 is as a greenhouse gas, not it's toxicity. Let me try another related to heat: If you're driving home from the pub and get pulled over and blow a .116 how much hot water would you get in?

Cash for clunkers was dreamed up by Bruton Smith as a way to get his Sonic Automotive group to make money. The program is as ridiculous and wasteful as it sounds. Check out the details.

No, .116% isn't necessarily small. How many tons of CO2 does that equal in the entire atmosphere and how effective is that amount as a mechanism for warming it?

Math must be hard.
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It is actually. So please help me figure out how much co2 in the atmosphere is needed to cause death as quickly as drinking a glass of hydrocyanic acid.

In a recent study named "Study of the Effects on Employment of Public Aid to Renewable Energy Sources", the authors examined Spain’s efforts to create “green jobs” through subsidies for renewable energy. They found that these subsidies have harmed Spain’s economy, destroying 2.2 jobs for every 1 job created. This study demonstrated how “green jobs” policy clearly hinders Spain’s way out of the current economic crisis, even while U.S. politicians insist that rushing into such a scheme will ease their own emergence from the turmoil. The paper marks the very first time a critical analysis of the actual performance and impact of “green job” policies have been made.

The following represent some of the study’s key findings:

- The U.S. can expect 2.2 jobs to be destroyed for every 1 renewable job financed by the government.
- Only 1 in 10 of the jobs actually created through green investment is permanent.
- Since 2000, Spain has spent €571,138 ($753,778) to create each “green job,” including subsidies of more than €1 million ($1,319,783) per wind industry job.
- Those programs resulted in the destruction of nearly 113,000 jobs elsewhere in the economy.
- Each “green” megawatt installed destroyed 5.39 jobs in non-energy sectors of the Spanish economy.
- The total over-cost—the amount paid over the cost that would result from buying the electricity generated by the renewable power plants at market prices—between 2000 and 2008 amounts to 7,918.54 million Euros ($10 billion).
- The total subsidy spent and committed to these three renewable sources amounts to €28,671 million ($36 billion).
- Consumer energy costs in Spain would have to be increased 31 percent to repay the debt generated by the green jobs subsidies.

Adding insult to injury, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), Spain’s annual emissions of carbon dioxide have increased by nearly 50 percent since the nation began its aggressive push to subsidize and support “green jobs.”

"CO2=hydrocyanic acid?
chemistry is hard..."

No, .116% isn't necessarily small. How many tons of CO2 does that equal in the entire atmosphere and how effective is that amount as a mechanism for warming it?

Math must be hard.

I wonder if you would hesitate to chug down a glass of water that has only .116% hydrogen cyanide in it.
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CO2=hydrocyanic acid?

chemistry is hard...

I'm all for conservation of natural resources and attempting to contain population growth, but instead of focussing on those issues, we are handed a distraction in the form of climate change/global warming/the coming ice age, or whatever they're calling it this week. Whatever you call it, it's a sham.

Cap & trade is a shakedown. As with Al Gore, if these people want any credibility at all, they should recuse themselves from profitting from the process...but they won't because personal profit and control over other people's behavior is their only true motivation.

ROFLMAO!
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I hope you don't get hurt rolling on the floor so may times a day.

"For example, total co2 in our atmosphere is only 3.618%. Of that, 3.502% occurs naturally. Man is responsible for a mere .116%. Shocking I know."

So I guess the point being made here is that .116% isn't very much huh? I wonder if you would hesitate to chug down a glass of water that has only .116% hydrogen cyanide in it.

"There once was a scientific consensous that the world was flat, the sun rotated around the earth and the earth was the center of the galaxy."

ROFLMAO!

That was religious consensus.
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No doubt, right-wing religious consensus.

"Science is actual observed data...blah blah blah."

Curious that your definition of science makes no mention of proving out the theory that your observations led you to (as was done with vacine technology, and computer technology, and turbine design).

Red:"For example, total co2 in our atmosphere is only 3.618%. Of that, 3.502% occurs naturally. Man is responsible for a mere .116%. Shocking I know.

Maybe I should repeat that, just incase anyone missed it.

Man's total co2 in our atmosphere is .116%"

Please cite your source since you are incorrectly paraphrasing it. Currently, CO2 levels are at about 390 ppm. Direct measurements (bubbles recovered from ice cores) show that is over 20% higher than in the last half million years. At the start of the Industrial Revolution they were 270 ppm.

I'll help him out...

1500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat.
And 15 minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.

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