More on the "If You Like Your Health Plan, You'll Keep Your Health Plan" Promise

Watching the health care reform in porgress is worse than any 'sausage making' in history. The costs are larger than the promises made, and neither are realistic. Interesting how even the revered public option is no longer a non-negotiable item.

Even worse for right wingers who claim polls are useless only to cite them when under the impression the poll favors their position.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 24, 2009 11:24:08 PM

You are the one who defended polling as the mood of the people so I'm just giving you the information. So do you have an actual response to the poll results?

With the 'right' people in charge, government programs that never worked anywhere else at any time are bound to work now. I think it has something to do with planet/constellation alignments.

"A majority of Americans see government action as critical to controlling runaway health-care costs"

Uh oh that can't be good for right wingers who can't read polls.

Even worse for right wingers who claim polls are useless only to cite them when under the impression the poll favors their position.

"A majority of Americans see government action as critical to controlling runaway health-care costs, but there is broad public anxiety about the potential impact of reform legislation and conflicting views about the types of fixes being proposed on Capitol Hill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll."

Uh oh. That can't be good for Danita and Ryan C... Sounds like the "public's mood" might not be what they thought.

Jake Tapper should take over from Charlie Gibson. Tapper will ask questions that need to be asked!! Think he is the only spine from the main stream media! DON'T LET US DOWN MR. TAPPER!

"When the left begins to cite tenth of one percents in their polling data, they are getting worried..."

Yes god forbid that one relays the information as the source provides it.

Real Clear Politic's poll compilations are an average of the two dailies and 5 or 6 polls taken within the last two weeks.

I may not agree with their editorial slant but their poll compilation is straight forward.

.8 or 8/10 .7 or 7/10...LOL When the left begins to cite tenth of one percents in their polling data, they are getting worried....

Oh, almost forgot.

At some point you're going to have to admit (if you are honest with yourself) that it was all a big lie and Obama never, ever cared about you at all. He never cared about anybody but himself.

"Well I hope that you remember that because Obama's numbers are going down"

RCP's poll average has him at 60% job approval.

Basically where he was at the beginning of March.

In fact in the 3 months it has never been below 58.7 and never been higher than 62.1.

There's been a drop in some policy polls but we need more data before calling it a trend.

Since when could you ever trust the government to run anything efficiently? The VA is in serious trouble right now, just think how bad health care will be in when/if the government gets their hands on it. Their first objective will be to run private insurance companies out of business ASAP and then you will have absolutely no choice. If this comes about, then government is a player and the only referee in the game; it cannot maintain a fair playing field. It will always undercut private business to maintain their power thru regulations, taxes and brute force. This is more about control than it is about health care.

"Polls are meant to gauge public opinion at a given time."

Well I hope that you remember that because Obama's numbers are going down. And as unemployment continues to rise, inflation kicks in, interest rates rise and the national debt skyrockets, the numbers are not going to get any better.

Well, it's a beautiful day here, so I'm off!

Since when could you ever trust the government to run anything efficiently? The VA is in serious trouble right now, just think how bad health care will be in when/if the government gets their hands on it. Their first objective will be to run private insurance companies run out of business ASAP and you will have absolutely no choice. If this comes about, then government is a player and the only referee in the game; it cannot maintain a fair playing field. It will always undercut private business to maintain their power thru regulations, taxes and brute force.

"Since NO PUBLIC OPTION LEGISLATION HAS YET BEEN WRITTEN, the CBO cannot do any analysis work. "

A written bill is NOT required. The CBO analyzes whatever tasks requested by the Congress. The CBO is also responsible for analyzing the President's spending PROPOSALS. The CBO has already issued an analysis of President Obama's health care program, as directed by the Congress--a cost of $1.6 trillion to cover EVERYONE.

The 70% of the people who opposed Bush were American citizens, not hate spammers on here. There is a big difference.
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Oh, hate spamming (which includes juvenile name calling, etc.) only occurs here against Obama. Never happened to Bush--that was just criticism by Americans.
Interesting theory.

With massive taxpayer subsidies, ObamaCare will undersell all private plans and drive them out of business. If Congress finds that the Public Plan is losing money, they will just pump more taxpayer money into it. Fiscal health is irrelevant

The Federal bureaucrats will quickly make requirements to employer-provided plans so onerous, that companies will simply find it easier to pay the extra tax and put their employees on the Public Plan. Cap and Trade will provide the extra hundreds of billions of tax revenue each year to fund it.

Anyhow, beautiful day here . . . I'm off to enjoy it.

"Out of 895 respondents, 24 percent were Republicans, 38 percent Democrats, and 38 percent were independents."

That's fairly close the the self id breakdowns of most polls.

"Ryan C. That's exactly my point. As I continued to state, "People are fickle. If things are good, they are happy. If things are bad, they are not." Danita is citing her stats and I can find stats to support my points. She's not worried about my stats and I'm not worried about hers. None mean a hoot!"

Polls are meant to gauge public opinion at a given time.

They are by no means perfect.

But they are a perfectly reasonable means of assessing the public's mood.

Poll after poll shows overwhelmingly support for a public option.

Poll after poll shows overwhelming support for reform.

Poll after poll shows great cocern with rising healthcare costs.

"The vote counts. Not the polls. almost 50% of the country voted against Obama. How do you justify "70% of the people want to give him a chance"? It's just stupid is all."

Are you familiar with our system of government in which citizens vote for candidates for public office to represent them on issues and make decision accordingly versus voting on the issue itself?

Traffic cop . ...

I'm sorry, your repeated inaccurate quoting of national debt figures undermines my confidence in your postings.

Try reading up further on the Times/CBS poll rather that just parroting others.

Again, the ACTUAL breakdown of those polled is as follows . ..

Out of 895 respondents, 24 percent were Republicans, 38 percent Democrats, and 38 percent were independents.

In other words, 62% of those surveyed were either Republicans or Independents. Thirty-eight percent were Democrats.

This is the 'skewing' the critics refer to.