Obama Administration Says Some Detainees Overseas Are Being Mirandized -- and Bush Did It, Too

If Bush did it too, then it was probably once we had the terrorists on American soil and at Gitmo, and probably AFTER he received so much heat for treating the poor, nice terrorists badly. But I doubt it is true.

As an attorney, I can't help but wonder why the Miranda warnings are being wielded amidst FOREIGN detainees. Jurisdiction is a whole separate issue, although equally incomprehensible. Beyond that, though, how do we purport to extend civil rights (ie, Miranda) under the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION to wartime combatants?!? When will our leaders realize that the Islamists are using our judicial system against us? Constitutional rights do NOT extend to non-citizens. Just because they are being prosecuted in the American judicial system (bad idea in the first place) doesn't mean that they should be afforded the protections of American citizens. Our courts apply international law in certain cases, why should they not in these? Miranda is a tenet of American jurisprudence. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! Are we fighting crime or waging war?!?! Although I did not vote for Obama, I was eager and hopeful to see what he would do. Despite much of the medias praise of him, he has been, thus far, shown himself to be woefully inadequate for the task at hand.

If the detainees are given all the rights afforded by the Constitution, then habeas corpus applies and all the "evidence" developed on the battlefield is tainted and not available for use. Without the phalanx of lawyers, crime scene technicians, and interviewers on the battlefield, who are culturally sensitive and fluent in whatever language the "alleged" speaks, then the cases have to be thrown out and there can be no discrimination later on as a result. In other words, the detainees get their passports back and enter the US like anyone else. Is this where we want to be?

Right ..read miranda under bush and then tortured. How gullible do they think we are..

wah wah wah, bush did it. Little fed up with that line...

It will be interesting to see what cynical gimmick the Obamaists can come up with for the 2012 campaign. Bush used the terror card for his reelection, how low will Obama sink in following Bush's footsteps?
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obviously the Newtists, Palinists, Jindalists, Limbaughists. rightists and fringists as well as Republicanists will find something to try and scare everyone again..we know they are hoping for an attack so they can say 'I told you so'. but the right wing terrorists will no doubt keep up their attempt to intimidate the rest of the US, people associate them with Republicanists.

Am I the only one wondering why the FBI is suddenly letting these domestic terrorists like the Tiller murderer, the Holocaust shooter and the reservist slip by?

Could it be that FBI agents would rather turn their heads than lose their necks by taking preventative measures and then face the wrath of Obamz and the ACLU.

Is this Mueller's new FBI, the one that doesn't waterboard, but also doesn't catch terrorists until after they have murdered Americans.

Once again, the Obamaists cite George Bush as an example of why something they are doing is okay. So much for the "change" lie. It will be interesting to see what cynical gimmick the Obamaists can come up with for the 2012 campaign. Bush used the terror card for his reelection, how low will Obama sink in following Bush's footsteps?

Am I the only one wondering why the FBI is suddenly letting these domestic terrorists like the Tiller murderer, the Holocaust shooter and the reservist slip by?

Could it be that FBI agents would rather turn their heads than lose their necks by taking preventative measures and then face the wrath of Obamz and the ACLU.

Is this Mueller's new FBI, the one that doesn't waterboard, but also doesn't catch terrorists until after they have murdered Americans.

How can you Mirandize them..and then deny them those rights??

During the RNC convention in Minn. last year there were those who planned to demonstrate against Iraq, Bush whatever. Many were pre emptively arrested by the local police during raids on the residences they were staying at. Most of these potential demonstrators had no criminal record, yet they were 'roughed up' during their arrest, remember they had done nothing wrong.

Some reporters were arrested because they didn't move fast enough for the police, or they asked questions of the police as to why certain protesters were being arrested.

The recent shootings in various parts of the country never initiated a pre-emptive arrest.

As much as we hear about free speech and rights , those things are selectively enforced
depending where in America you are and which party is ruling the local roost.

"look? you either want them before a judge or you dont? Its that simple and? if it is to be military or criminal then start with the right to remain silent as what you say can and will be used against you...let the trial begin."

Then you better support a major increase in Defense spending because our troops are going to need a forensic team, some training in criminal justice, and a kit to gather evidence, carry around cameras to take pictures of the scene where they apprehend the "criminal". And one procedure I REALLY support, embedded lawyers on the battlefield. Not just JAG's that sit back in the HQ and advise the commander, I'm talking part of the team. Heavy machine gunner, 4 riflemen, an NCO, and a lawyer on patrols, attacking targets. I bet that lawyer will would be a good prosecutor if he's being shot at.

look? you either want them before a judge or you dont? Its that simple and? if it is to be military or criminal then start with the right to remain silent as what you say can and will be used against you...let the trial begin.

but bush but bush but bush libs answer to every thing what ever happened to taking personal resposability guess the theres no person in the prompter

So the Obama Justice Department drops charges against Black Panthers with overwhelming evidence of voter intimidation, and on the other hand provides Miranda rights to "battlefield actors of man made disasters".

"against me was gathered in illegal search and seizure."

Wow I never thought about that. Our troops are going to need a court order to conduct operations on a target? Wow, good call. This is astonishing to watch unfold.

If 5th amendment rights are applicable to enemy combatants does that mean 4th amendment rights are as well? If I were Ahmed Ghailani I would immediately tell the Federal Court that I was never read my rights and all evidence against me was gathered in illegal search and seizure.

So if everything Bush did is bad, why is Obama doing it?

Of course Bush did it too. Isn't that the rallying cry?

"Yea, what a waste of time those Nuremburg trials were."

You are not that dense, that was after the war and even though both sides committed attrocities, only one side was held accountable. I hope that's not your best example.

Don't confuse the Laws of Armed conflict with peoples court.