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South Carolina Gov. Sanford on Why Cheney Needs to Defer to New GOP Voices, Stimulus, and Whether He'll Run for President in 2012

June 10, 2009 4:57 PM

ABC News' Jake Tapper and Huma Khan report:

On this week’s ABC News Shuffle podcast, GOP Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina talks about the Republican voices being heard and why Rush Limbaugh and former Vice President Cheney need to defer and allow some new ones to be heard.

You can listen to the podcast on iTunes or by clicking HERE.

Asked if it’s a good thing for former Vice President Cheney to be seen as the voice of the Republican Party, as recent polling indicates, Sanford said it “probably isn’t.” He expressed a similar sentiment about conservative talk radio giant Rush Limbaugh.

“While somebody may have been at the top at one point, to really keep an invigorated political system you've got to have new voices stepping in and step in to the plate in giving their opinion and probably every time you have some of the senior leaders continue to lay out their case or belief it probably usurps the voice of new leaders who'd be coming in,” Sanford said. “I think it's very very important you allow new voices to be part of the equation enunciating some of the same principles he's laying out.”

Sanford says the Republican party is currently in “the wilderness” and it may be some time until it finds its direction.

“There's a fairly significant tug of war of ‘Where we go next?’” Sanford said. “Do we broaden the tent with technology and outreach and other things, and that's the way out of the wilderness, or do we go back to some of the principles that got the party started in the first place. So there's going to be, I suspect, a lengthy debate... probably until the time of the Republican nominee in the next presidential cycle. We're going to be exploring and kicking that issue around, I suspect, for a while.”

On whether he is considering running as a candidate in the presidential race, Sanford said that right now, “it’s not my focus, it’s not my aim, it’s not my intent,” but added “you never say never.”

He also described why he rejected the $700 million allocated to his state from the federal stimulus package. The state’s Supreme Court just shot down the governor’s claims, ultimately making him the last governor to accept the money.

Sanford says the Supreme Court decision did not come as a surprise, but he still disagrees with the federal government’s assessment that the stimulus will help boost his state’s economy.

He said that by accepting the $700 million in education funds, instead of spending it on reducing the Palmetto State’s large debt, he would be digging “a billion dollar financial hole 24 months from now, and then the question was, and then what? I think it's financially reckless to embark on a journey to put you about a billion dollars in the hole in 24 months. “

He also said that now education “reform and restructuring…won't take place. ... What this amount of federal money allows you to do is to pay for all the changes that would've been made under more austere financial conditions... [People are] actually tightening their belts in a way that will make them more competitive over the long run, and at the state level, not becoming competitive over the long run is deadly and so what this medicine out of Washington does is in fact weaken our state in the long run.”

Listen to the full podcast HERE or on iTunes.

-- Jake Tapper and Huma Khan

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good mission,

Posted by: abhe | Jul 12, 2009 11:22:06 PM

what the heck is ABC giving a low life like Sanford the time of day in regard to what the REPUBLICANS "need". They sure as heck and South Carolina sure as heck and The United States of America sure as heck does not need Mark Sanford entertaining any topic other than the one where he is solely and only making it his priority to humble himself 24/7 by serving the needs of his family - not puffed up political babble.

Eliot Spitzer managed quite well dropping off the face of the earth and so should you, low life, disturbed individual Governor Sanford.

Posted by: Lorraine | Jun 30, 2009 1:40:37 AM

The GOP needs a voice period. There is not one Republican that has shown any backbone. Pathetic bunch of wimps. This country is going down the tubes and they are worrying about winning the Latino vote. Wake up! The vast majority of the Latinos are not going to vote Republican because they want a welfare state. King Obama is destroying this country. The Republicans remind me of Nero. They fiddle while the USA burns.

Posted by: afloatinasea | Jun 16, 2009 4:30:56 PM

The GOP needs a voice period. I have never seen a group of pathetic individuals with no backbone. They take su much c%%% form the Democrats that at times they make you want to throw up. When are they going to stand up to the King Obama?

Posted by: afloatinasea | Jun 16, 2009 4:22:52 PM

I wish our state had a common sense, fiscally conservative governor like Sanford. Instead we have an ineffective Democrat whose recent inaction cost our city several thousand jobs that are on their way to a lower-tax, southern red state.

Posted by: Jenn | Jun 13, 2009 12:12:24 PM

Gov. Sanford...mmm...ask people in S.C what they think of his accomplishments...even Republicans (especially re: rejection of stimulus, conditions of schools, keeping police employed, etc.) reject this guy. He would be a goldmine for Democrats to control Gov't for years to come. Not a very bright man when speaking, and even less so when articulating policies...

Posted by: Patman | Jun 12, 2009 10:41:10 AM

Silly, silly, silly. Money in and of itself does not equal a good education. Obama's education dollars are to feed the bureaucrats and help them build more palaces to a failing school system. Governor Mark Sanford is right. Bankrupting the federal government to encourage the bankruptcy of the state governments is absolutely the most outrageously stupid thing to ever come out of any White House. Some people--including the President-- seem to truly believe that money just grows on trees, or they want to bankrupt America for their own unstated purposes. Which is it?

Posted by: Nancy | Jun 12, 2009 1:53:27 AM

I think that Sanford is toast for the next election anyway due to his arrogant behavior, but at least he's smart enough to know that one of the most hated men in the U.S. today is not an ideal choice for the voice of the Republican party. Cheney was never well liked so why would he be after what he and George did to this country? Get Real!

Posted by: Jim S | Jun 11, 2009 9:18:33 AM

No matter what anyone says about the Republicans, all they have to do is reply "OBAMA"!

Posted by: Greg | Jun 11, 2009 8:53:39 AM

jasperjava - maybe you could do a little research, too. According to Dr. King's niece, Dr. Alveda C. King, "Dr. Martin Luther King, Sr. or "Daddy King", was a Republican and her father was a Republican.

Mrs. Coretta Scott King actually urged Nixon (who voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Law) to help her husband when he was facing a threatening jail encounter. Nixon did not respond, but JFK did & brought the attention of the nation to Dr. King's plight.

Because of this phone call & action by JFK, Martin Luther King Jr. was very grateful (Coretta Scott King was pregnant at the time) for JFK's intervention and urged 1000,000 black voters to cast previously Republican votes for Senator Kennedy even though Kennedy had voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Law."

Posted by: BK | Jun 11, 2009 2:36:37 AM

Please Mr Cheney and Ms Limbaugh (you go girl)keep up your incompetent dishonest rhetoric, you're doing wonders for the democratic party. KEEP HATE ALIVE

Posted by: fool me once | Jun 10, 2009 9:29:04 PM

treetracker - Learn History, lets see MLK was a Republican, The republicans are responsible for the equal rights of minorities, oh yes and the end of Slavery!

The dems honer a KKK recruiter like Robert Byrd!!

Also Republicans look at Minorities as Americans, the dems look at them as Minorities!!

Posted by: spock | Jun 10, 2009 8:28:24 PM


Rush as great as he is is not the face of the Republican Party, because if he was it would be doing a lot better.

The Republicans will not win with these so called moderates. Look at the last several Presidentail elections all won by Republicans that ran as Conservatives not moderates, the moderates lost Dole, Bush 41 (2nd term, 1st was won on the coattails of Pres. Reagan) and McCain.

The moderates like Powell and others are Democrats in disguise!!

The Government stands in the way!!


Posted by: spock | Jun 10, 2009 8:22:11 PM

All of these comments remind me of the hysterical lady on The Simpsons who always screams "Won't someone please think of the children?!?!" during every crisis. Taking money that makes your state less fiscally sound in the long run and hurts education in the long run is not a good idea. Think past the first step. That requires a brain and a heart.

Posted by: andylancaster | Jun 10, 2009 8:11:05 PM

Rush may be the face of the Republican party but he is certainly at the other end of the alimentary canal.

Posted by: RON G | Jun 10, 2009 8:07:48 PM

He's from about the only state in the union that won't vote for Obama..

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | Jun 10, 2009 7:44:38 PM

“I think it's very very important you allow new voices to be part of the equation enunciating some of the same principles he's laying out.”

So, in other words, same old BS, just a new pretty face speaking them?

The GOP made its bed 30-40 year ago, when it chose to follow Lee Atwater down the path of racism and division. Now your party is filled with hateful people who have not grown with the times; only reinforced their attitudes with each other.

Now you get to reap what you've sown.

You even have your own hate filled news station - Fox - to reinforce your hate filled ideas. The only community you want to belong to is your own, not that of the nation or even the world. You're still living in the 1950's and the rest of the country has moved into the 21st Century.

You're afraid of science and education because you'll lose your numbers in droves once their educated and learn to appreciate what science has done for us.

If you weren't such a hateful divisive bunch, I might even feel sorry for you.

I do, however, have great empathy for your off-spring. Oh, my bad, "empathy" is a bad word for your ilk, since you don't know how it feels. Is there something missing in your DNA?

Posted by: treetracker | Jun 10, 2009 7:40:16 PM

What the republicans need is not so much new faces as new ideas. All they have are the same mindless fearmongering soundbites that they use to rile up the useful idiots of the religious extreme right so that they can deliver tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% and destroy environmental and public health legislation. The US public finally woke up to their scam and that is why the party is in political Siberia. Anyone who votes republican and isn't a millionaire is a dupe. But as Abe Lincoln said, you can't fool all the people all the time.

Posted by: Ray | Jun 10, 2009 7:29:59 PM

If Rush Limbaugh is the "face" of the Republican party
then they are in for a long, long dry spell. Who ever they put up in 2012 will simply be the one they wnt to send into political obscurity

Posted by: Billy | Jun 10, 2009 7:17:11 PM

The governor seems to believe that it's wrong to "waste" money on educating our children. I wonder what he was hoping the next generation of Americans were going to be like and what their prospects might be if they get lousy educations. And for that matter, what the prospects of his state and our country might be if they don't get good educations. Why are republicans always so willing to spend money educating children and keeping Americans healthy but are just fine with putting us into huge debts for wars of choice built on lies?

Posted by: karela | Jun 10, 2009 7:01:01 PM

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