U.S. Officials Say There are Indications North Korea is Preparing for a Third Nuclear Test

Actually Paul there is only two realistic options: 1) Bomb 2) Allow these rouge countries to acquire nuclear weapons.. Negotiation isn't going to work with NK or Iran..They are too involved in marking their territory..They want to be part of the nuclear nations, period dot.

Obama, the 2nd coming:

I always thought that Hillary would be the worst case scenario.. I am in complete agreement with you.. even Joe Biden sounds good - at times.

why are we getting so worried so what we have norad we have the finest army in the world we have every thing and we are hypocrits we have nukes too why should they not have some they are not stupid or politically unstable they will never use them because they know what will happen in retaliation

it's time to start thinking solutions. do we bomb NK? there will be no american will to go into NK against their standing army. the only option is strategic bombing of NK's nuclear sites and have all our and SK's troops and tanks at the border.

there are only two options (as with Iran): negotiate or bomb. simple enough, yeh?

I only partly agree. I think China needs to get off its butt and support (or offer) actions by the UN and the US. Given the economic ties between China and the US, we have for more leverage for stern actions now than we have had in the past. All of the parties need to come to an agreement of when force is appropriate if sanctions/diplomatic actions continue to fail.
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Which is why Bush pushed for 6-party talks rather than relying on direct talks.

"We've got to get China off their butts and do something about this instead of blaming our own administrations and the UN for lack of action."

I only partly agree. I think China needs to get off its butt and support (or offer) actions by the UN and the US. Given the economic ties between China and the US, we have for more leverage for stern actions now than we have had in the past. All of the parties need to come to an agreement of when force is appropriate if sanctions/diplomatic actions continue to fail.

We've got to get China off their butts and do something about this instead of blaming our own administrations and the UN for lack of action. They fought viciously in Korea to demonstrate that they will not tolerate foreign interference on the Korean Peninsula. It is their responsibility to manage it.

"You might as well not even mention North Korea without addressing China in the very same sentence every time."

China has been consistantly distancing themselves from NK for the last decade. The facade that China has some sort of major influence over NK is either a carefully fabricated story, or its completely false as China has given public protest over the latest nuke tests. So which is it? Are they influential over NK or not? If not, why do they matter as much?

China has just as much interest in the stability of our nation as other economic allies do. I used to think that China was the key, I don't believe that anymore. I believe China has more interest in our nation through the economic ties than they do with NK. It has happened slowly over time, but I think it has come to fruition in recent years.

I can say what China and South Korea do not want, a reunification of Korea. China and SK know they would get mass migration if the NK government colapsed.

So a garantee of status quo, but elimination of the instability of the missile/nuke program is most likely appealing to China.

I guess we need to have our recommended daily allowance of right-wing induced fear for today. Nobody is going to do anything about North Korea without dealing with China first. You might as well not even mention North Korea without addressing China in the very same sentence every time.

I think that it is important to understand something, why nuclear armed rogue nations are so dangerous.

NK has one leader. The mental state of that leader, especially one that is head of a nation in a desperate situation, is subject to irrational thought and behavior, be it through illness or just plain calculated national suicide. History has shown that dictators are willing to destroy their nations in desperate situations. This is what makes NK so dangerous. While there is little threat that NK could destroy the US, they could nuke a few cities before we could even respond. Flight time from NK would be roughly 33 minutes, thats not much time to respond.

So if we sit by and allow developments to take place with no real consequences, we inch closer and closer to a very dangerous scenario, on the Ballistic Missile Defense system was meant to counter. BMD also had some pretty serious cuts by this administration.

But America is safer cause he is popular, yipee.

Never in my life could I ever imagine myself saying, "man, I wish Hillary had won!" Compared to what's going on right now, I wish their roles were reversed. At least she doesn't appear weak!!!

..ok.. will Gibby say anything about the U.N. Security Council?

Why isn't all of this diplomacy working? It's almost like NK doesn't care what we say or do. Maybe Kim Jong-il's cool sunglasses protect him from falling under Obama's spell. One look into those eyes....

I think Hillary Clinton summed it up..some time ago..
'Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002'
Maybe he should dust if off, and give it again.

Gee, you would think those letters from the UN and those tepid "stern" words from Obama would have scared the bejesus out of Kim Jong Il.
Doesn't he know liberals think Obama is a god, and he hath spake (or something like that)?
Isn't he concerned "the one" will send him yet another useless, vapid, empty note?
I don't understand this. I though with Obama in office everything would "change" for the better, not worse?
Huh, what do you know?

Where's Jake? Uh-Oh

Dear Mr. Obama.

Welcome to Earth.
We hope Mars landing is not difficult for you.
Clearly, such a long stay outside the atmosphere is causing disruption mentally.
We wish you health quickly as possible.
Just do not forget to tighten the belts before landing.
Oh yeah, do not click on the red button, it's not room service.
Try not to make too much damages, while your staying.
By the way, you're a great dancer, but the music you make is terrible.

PS
Give regards to ET, we all miss

Oh, I almost forgot, I heard you are seeking for a global uranium fuel bank.
well, how about north korea?

I'm glad to hear that you are promoting the reform on health.

I would suggest that you primarily to ensure free psychiatric treatments.

Revealed to me that the problems in your head are not the weird ears.

UFO

amazing how many here seem willing to sacrifice South Korea for some macho show of force..

guess all that death and destruction really doesn't matter as long as you can make some fearful threat forecast about the imaginary end of America via N. Korea... like Iraq 1000 fold

But, but...won't testing more nukes make Barry and Hillary upset?

How could they! I mean, after all, they've been so darn nice to them! ;-(

Oh who cares! Obama is popular. I'm going to go hug my unicorn now. All is well.