Clinton to meet with ousted Honduran president

It's laughable reading al these comments months later, once the truth has been made public.

The Honduran Congress voted unanimously to remove Zelaya from power for continued violations of the Constitution, the Supreme Court issued the arrest warrant, and commanded the military to execute it.

All you morons who stand with the "democratic counties" that condemned the removal from office of Zelaya, had no clue.

You have never read the Honduran Constitution, nor were you aware of the facts...you just parroted what you were fed.

Pathetic.

Danilo . ...

That is also very simple. That you think you know what REALLY happened is laughable . . . you don't. Neither do I.

Over the next while, we may get a glimpse at the truth. Until then I will side with the major democratic countries of the world (and their intelligence) over some dudes on the internet thinking they know the REAL TRUTH.

Oh, but I read it on the internet! It said so in the newspapers! Pffff.

"I stand behind the almost universal condemnation of the coup by almost every democratic country on the planet. Simple as that."

That IS simple but, why? Zalaya was attempting to override their Constitution and become another dictator. Why defend him?

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." ~ Marcus Aurelius

lfrichar ...

I'll entrust Honduran constitutional and international relations experts like yourself to come up with suggestions for the proper and appropriate legal approach.

There are already regional diplomatic efforts underway involving Honduras' neighbours and fellow members in the AOS. I'm eager to hear their assessment.

For the time being, I stand with the many democratic countries in the world who have condemned the coup.

danita -------------- Wow, condemnation without any solution. Given your vigorous opinion on this situation, I am surprised. Did Iran bow to any international pressure? No, because it was an internal issue. That is what I stand by. My solution: Take Zelaya into custody and try him for his crimes with international media attention. That should do it. Zelaya has managed to garner support, but what do we do, invade to prop him back up? Give him his fair trial and lock him up or set him free.

I stand behind the almost universal condemnation of the coup by almost every democratic country on the planet. Simple as that.

danita ------------- So it is your contention they should return Zelaya to his original position and let life go on? You do realize he would be thrown in jail, trialed and lose because the court has already decreed? So, how do you fix what should be an internal issue?

"There has been no mention of any diplomats being held in this case. "
Posted by: lfrichar | Jul 8, 2009 3:34:17 PM

There certainly was reporting of diplomats having been taken, held and expelled from Honduras. That you didn't see it means absolutely nothing lfrichar.

"We can only agree to disagree because your spin is the supreme court holding a "secret" meeting and ordering the military to remove him. Why did senate, congress, his own party, military ALL agree to it."

Why did the legislature claim to have a signed resignation when it did not?

danita ------------- There has been no mention of any diplomats being held in this case. We can only agree to disagree because your spin is the supreme court holding a "secret" meeting and ordering the military to remove him. Why did senate, congress, his own party, military ALL agree to it?IF Honduras didn't break any international laws, they should only be accountable to themselves, which is what most western democracies would hope for. Example: If we removed our leader because he violated the laws as decreed by our supremem court, I want NO international intervention.

lfrichar . ..

"President Zalaya's case wasn't "heard" by the Supreme Court - they held a secret meeting to depose him. There is no provision in Honduran law that permits such a proceeding without a defendant being present. The court acted in direct and blatant disregard of the Constitution by directing the military to act against the Commander-in-Chief, which is considered an act of treason under the Constitution. The military further violated the Constitution by deporting a citizen (any citizen) without due process. And nobody has addressed the other CLEARLY illegal detentions carried out by the military since the coup, of political figures, foreign diplomats and others.

This is no more acceptable than the Ayatollah tossing the ballot boxes in the dumpster and declaring his favorite pet the winner."

Almost every major democracy in the world has spoken out against this coup. Is it possible there are good reasons for this, or shall we just believe lfrichar and his version.

I personally will stand behind the world's democracies for now.

Posted by: danita """""""For you to claim you know what REALLY happened is laughable. And seriously, given the choice of thinking most of the democratic countries in the world got it wrong, and you got it wrong. There is no choice."""""""

Again, what I said HAS OCCURRED ALREADY as we have read a very similar story in most news stations. What the international community thinks is irrelevent unless international laws were broken. Their highest court has spoken and ordered his removal. Please show me where I am wrong in this!

"1st, I am an independent and not a friggin' right winger."

You just parrot the right wing line and slam the left at every chance.

Sounds very "independent"

"To my main point: WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY IS IT when the highest court in the land convicts their president?"

Because secret trials and militarily deposed leaders is not something Western Democracies support.

Right wing authoritarians on the other hand like the whole military coup thing.

lfrichar . . .

I don't think you're listening. The version you've heard is just that - a version. For you to claim you know what REALLY happened is laughable.

And seriously, given the choice of thinking most of the democratic countries in the world got it wrong, and you got it wrong. There is no choice.

"Ryan, I don't think you or Danita can with a straight face accuse anyone of dealing form a "talking points sheet.""

Sure I can.

Its really easy to track down what the parrots here post.

"Say, where's jhw? On vacation?"

No idea. Last weekend was the 4th so who knows.

danita ---------------- You don't understand what I am telling you. 1st, I am an independent and not a friggin' right winger. 2nd, the FACTS in Honduras far ouotreach what ANY outside country thinks. Literally the whole of THEIR government has agreed Zelaya was trying to extend limits. The supreme court found Zelaya guilty of this, hence the immediate removal was ordered and acted upon. They should have thrown him in jail and put him on trial. I think they did him a favor by exiling him. To my main point: WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY IS IT when the highest court in the land convicts their president? Nobody but their own. There is no higher authority and whether you or I like it, we would not tolerate any country telling us how to govern either. Show me any international law that was broken. It's not what I THINK OR BELIEVE. It is what their highest court decided...period.

lfrichar . ..

Almost every major democratic country in the world has spoken out against this coup. All of the countries of the Americas have spoken out against this military coup.It is only a handful of 'right wing' whack jobs who are making a big stink.

Here's the other version of what actually happened, compared to the 'right wing' version.

"President Zalaya's case wasn't "heard" by the Supreme Court - they held a secret meeting to depose him. There is no provision in Honduran law that permits such a proceeding without a defendant being present. The court acted in direct and blatant disregard of the Constitution by directing the military to act against the Commander-in-Chief, which is considered an act of treason under the Constitution. The military further violated the Constitution by deporting a citizen (any citizen) without due process. And nobody has addressed the other CLEARLY illegal detentions carried out by the military since the coup, of political figures, foreign diplomats and others.

This is no more acceptable than the Ayatollah tossing the ballot boxes in the dumpster and declaring his favorite pet the winner."

Why on earth would you think you have better information to decide this case on than the major democracies of the world? Because you saw it on a few right wing web sites and suddenly think you're an expert on the Honduran constitution? How foolish . ... time will tell what really happened here.

In the meantime, get off your highhorse and quit pretending you know more than international experts.

danita and Ryan C---------You have both seen facts from their constitution, supreme court, military, congress, Zelaya's own party and people that were in Honduras and you still believe it was a coup and anyone who doesn't you label right wingers. You 2 don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Obama and Hillary can do no wrong in your eyes when it is obvious this was an act from their constitution and supported by all branches of THEIR government. When the supremem court of their country makes the decision that their president is going about trying to extend the term of the presidency and vote to remove him immediately, that is an internal matter. By no means should we be accepting a deposed unlawful leader with open arms in DC. Let Honduras play out (as with the case of Iran) and then make your case. Obama has shown complete inconsistencies when it comes to foreign policy and that is a fact.

I hope Hillary ultimately protects the Constitution, the Honduran Constitution and the Constitution of the United States of America.

C'mon Hillary, stand up to despots, tyrants and current and future dictators!

Obama supports a guy who violated his own Constitution.

That figures.

Perhaps Obama has a similar plan.