Gates and Crowley Speak About Their White House Visit

"Pathetic, you won't even go to those two, but you'll harp on me to provide you with more."
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I had already found and checked out those two. Please outline to me what about those items makes them racist or race baiting or rants.

And anything else you have that is more convincing?

Posted by: danita | Aug 2, 2009 4:13:31 PM
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Outline to you what makes them racist or race-baiting? Its VERY SIMPLE. Look in a dictionary under Racism. Then Race-baiting. You'd be hard put to find anything that matches the definitions better.

LOL...I couldn't be happier to see Biden as part of the Beer Fest, especially not being a drinker and sipping a Buckler's non-alcoholic. It's simply driving people and MSM nuts that Joe was there. LOL. Why was Biden there? What was that about? What a bunch of goobers. Could it have been as simple as the last meeting before the beer thingy, was one where Obama and Biden were discussing things (it was) and perhaps, Obama asked his VP if he would like to attend? (he did). oh dear, will the mysteries of Obama and Biden continue? LOL Biden's the person most loyal to the Pres right now...deal with it!

"Pathetic, you won't even go to those two, but you'll harp on me to provide you with more."
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I had already found and checked out those two. Please outline to me what about those items makes them racist or race baiting or rants.

And anything else you have that is more convincing?

Fine. Too much work to actually get any proof, even when challenged - it's a lot easier just to brand the man with accusations he made 'blatantly racist or race baiting' statements.

Fair enough .. ..

Posted by: danita | Aug 1, 2009 8:13:37 P===================================

Riiiiiight. So you admit you haven't the intellectual honesty to even go and see the ones that I've found and directly pointed you to. Very good. Talk to me again after you've read the rap lyrics he claimed weren't obscenities and ought to be legally protected, and listened to his rant in 1996. Pathetic, you won't even go to those two, but you'll harp on me to provide you with more.

And Atlas . ..

"I said I'd run across examples of his statements made on various years - I never said that I was willing, a week or two after I'd originally run across the stuff, to go back and research and dig them all back out of the internet"
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Fine. Too much work to actually get any proof, even when challenged - it's a lot easier just to brand the man with accusations he made 'blatantly racist or race baiting' statements.

Fair enough .. ..

Not to metion that you misquote or take what I said grossly out of context. What I said was:

" I was curious about Gates after this incident, and gave him EVERY benefit of the doubt, until I ran across not only the Yale application bit from many many years ago, but quite a few quotes and video of pretty blatantly racist or race bating type statements that he has made over the years that are available on the internet. That still doesn't mean that he was totally at fault in the incident with Crowley, but it certainly puts major tarnish on his reputation and calls into question his credibility in this issue"

And Atlas . ...

You gave Gates EVERY benefit of the doubt but you label him a racist and a race baiter . .. and can't even post any decent examples showing that.

I think that speaks for itself.

Posted by: danita | Aug 1, 2009 5:11:57 PM
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Did you bother to read back thru the thread for the other reference? Did you bother to look up the vulgar rap lyric court case? Why not??

I bet you haven't. You'd rather sit here trying to play gotcha and 'hurling accusations' (h/t Danita) at me instead, because you don't care about the issue, only about trying to make it seem as if you were right regardless of what the actual facts might be.

I said I'd run across examples of his statements made on various years - I never said that I was willing, a week or two after I'd originally run across the stuff, to go back and research and dig them all back out of the internet for your benefit. You are perfectly capable of doing a little of the legwork yourself. I've pointed you in the right direction with a few examples and given you plenty to start with. Go to it. This is particularly true in this case, where the abc blog won't even let posts with the titles or quotes of Gates actual words thru its filters. To even get you to individual examples, I have to try posting multiple times to figure out how to word things clearly enough that you can find it but that it doesn't trip the blog filters. I don't have the time or inclination to play that game when you aren't even honestly looking at the issue yourself.

And Atlas . ...

You gave Gates EVERY benefit of the doubt but you label him a racist and a race baiter . .. and can't even post any decent examples showing that.

I think that speaks for itself.

You hurl accusations at a man for being a racist and a race baiter . . . and THAT is the best you can come up with.

Seriously, you should be ashamed.

Posted by: danita | Aug 1, 2009 12:05:52 AM
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Get real Danita. You asked me to direct you towards some examples. Off the top of my head I gave you a few bits of information to get you started. I think you know that full well and prefer to play games and try to make it look like something its clearly not. Surely you're able to read back thru this thread, and I gave you enough to find the legal case fairly easily. You can work from there yourself if you choose to.

And Atlas . . .

"I . . . gave him [Gates] EVERY benefit of the doubt, until I ran across . . . quite a few quotes and video of pretty blatantly racist or race bating type statements that he has made over the years that are available on the internet." Posted by: And Atlas Shrugs Yet Again | Jul 31, 2009 4:45:21 PM
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You accuse a man of making racist and race baiting statements (that you've seen) and when asked for references to these statements, THIS is the best you can come up with? . . .

"I believe someone earlier in this thread posted reference to one example.

"Another you'll find if you look for Gates acting as an expert witness defending vulgar rap lyrics in a court case -- be sure you see the actual lyrics that were involved, they're pretty nasty.

"Another that I'm unfortunately going a little blank on, was in a church, involved a pastor . .. "
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You hurl accusations at a man for being a racist and a race baiter . . . and THAT is the best you can come up with.

Seriously, you should be ashamed.

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This Whitehouse Beer bash caused more damage to race relations.
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If you ignore color but instead, as MLK would suggest, look at content of character, it's clear that Gates behaved like he was above the law and had no obligation to respect law enforcement. The outcome of this beer bash proves, not only that Gates still thinks he has a right to disrespect law enforcement, but that Obama did not take the position of respecting law enforcement.
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I believe someone earlier in this thread posted reference to one example.

Another you'll find if you look for Gates acting as an expert witness defending vulgar rap lyrics in a court case -- be sure you see the actual lyrics that were involved, they're pretty nasty.

Another that I'm unfortunately going a little blank on, was in a church, involved a pastor speaking along the lines of the sort of thing you'd expect from a Rev. Wright (it was NOT Rev. Wright, just egregious type preaching).

"Regardless, that doesn't begin to excuse the comments that he's made over the years SINCE then -- and its pretty notable that you chose to totally ignore that far more important aspect of the entire thing."
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I found the Yale application and posted my comments already regarding something done when he was a teenager at a time of very divisive political turmoil in the United States and overt racism still very evident in the south (and elsewhere).

Please direct me to these more recent comments you find racist.

....Gates was still a TEENAGER when he wrote on his Yale application. A teenager! Good grief you've seen some of the immature comments on this blog and supposedly they come from so-called adults.

Posted by: danita | Jul 31, 2009 6:02:24 PM
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Of COURSE it was during that time period and while he was a teenager, that's a given. Even so, one would hope for more maturity and common sense from someone applying to a major university. The Yale application is just a start, and easy to find.

Regardless, that doesn't begin to excuse the comments that he's made over the years SINCE then -- and its pretty notable that you chose to totally ignore that far more important aspect of the entire thing.

Gates wrote the information on his Yale application 40 years ago, at the height of the divisive 60s political turmoil in the United States. Martin Luther King had been assassinated, there were protests in the street over civil rights and the vietnam war. Police were attacking and beating protesters in Chicago at the democratic convention.

It was a very heated and divisive political time in the U.S. Racism was common in the south.

Gates was still a TEENAGER when he wrote on his Yale application. A teenager! Good grief you've seen some of the immature comments on this blog and supposedly they come from so-called adults.

I think the people who hate Gates must also hate Obama and Sotomayor... It's sort of the direction of the GOP--a small, regional party that caters to the anxiety of a slice of the population that is emotionally vulnerable and poorly educated. How else can you explain the "Birther" phenomenon?

Posted by: blip | Jul 31, 2009 4:23:51 PM
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Blip, I don't hate Gates, Sotomayor, or Obama, and color ought to be pretty blasted irrelevant. As to Gates being racist - I don't have a clue what he is like on a day to day basis, and he may have some noteworthy scholarship for all I know. What I DO know, however, is that over the years he has been both filmed and quoted making some amazingly egregious and clearly racist statements. I've posted about this before and believe others have also.

For example, what he wrote on his Yale application is so egregious that this blog AUTOMATICALLY screens it out when I tried to post it. I do NOT mean that it posted and a moderator then removed it, I mean, the system was set to automatically disallow any post with one (or more) of the words in a direct quote of what Gates wrote on his Yale application. If you're not aware of what he wrote, just google/search on:

Gates "yale application" "as always"

You'll see what I mean. I was curious about Gates after this incident, and gave him EVERY benefit of the doubt, until I ran across not only the Yale application bit from many many years ago, but quite a few quotes and video of pretty blatantly racist or race bating type statements that he has made over the years that are available on the internet. That still doesn't mean that he was totally at fault in the incident with Crowley, but it certainly puts major tarnish on his reputation and calls into question his credibility in this issue.

Particularly when you also consider that right off the bat after it occurred, he also came out saying that he was thinking of making a documentary of it to include in an ongoing documentary he was already working on that dealt with racial profiling or something along those lines.

Totally aside from Crowley and Gates, as President of the United States, and I don't care WHAT color he is, as President, it was totally inappropriate on multiple levels for Obama (or ANY POTUS be he black, white, yellow, red, green, blue, doesn't matter) to have commented on this sort of issue - then made ten times worse by the comment he chose. As far as I'm concerned, Obama clearly owes the American people, the Cambridge Police department and Sgt. Crowley a flat out apology, no if, ands, or buts.

For anyone interested, the police radio interchanges with dispatch etc have been released a day or two ago now also. You can find them on examiner, under the title:

More Henry Louis Gates tapes released this time police radio calls; listen to audio clip here

Its hard for me to tell, but does sound as if there are communication difficulties, at least one request for repeat, that sort of thing. I'm not good at deciphering exactly who's saying what on police band that way, however, but suspect that was the communication problems Crowley noted that prompted him to tell Gates that if he wanted to talk more they needed to do so outside the house.

Anyhow, I haven't seen links to that audio anywhere else, (tho I haven't been online much today) so I thought I'd let you all know that its available if you're interested.

Man, people really hate Gates to imagine that his scholarship is racist. They have this caricature of some sort of militant floating around in their head....

But Gates is really a very good scholar, with plenty of great insights.

I think the people who hate Gates must also hate Obama and Sotomayor... It's sort of the direction of the GOP--a small, regional party that caters to the anxiety of a slice of the population that is emotionally vulnerable and poorly educated. How else can you explain the "Birther" phenomenon?

"I'm sorry it's uncomfortable for you to have to face information that seems to contradict the rush to judgement to condemn Gates and exonerate Crowley.

If Marcia Whelan's statement is true, then there is false information in Crowley's report. And it involves the racial profiling of '2 black men'.

Plain and simple."
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And I will stick by the following as true . . .

"And I'm sorry, but putting untrue information in a police report puts the credibility of Crowley's information in question."

If Whelan's statement is true (and it is new information within the past fews days) then so is what I posted.

Again, sorry this is so difficult for you to understand.

Whelan's statement calls into question the validity of Crowley's report.

All the information is not in - the rush to judgement to condemn Gates is appalling, and it is viscously and repeatedly presented here as confirmed truth. It is not.

Luckily, nobody took the easy way out and said cops acted stupidly or screamed racism. Cooler, more thoughtful heads prevailed.

Posted by: Relieved | Jul 31, 2009 1:03:56 PM
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ROFL!

Amen Brother!